Should the Burkini be banned?

by HoratioTarr Sat Apr 02, 2016 11:38 am

First topic message reminder :

I can't imagine anything more uncomfortable on the beach, and the most ridiculous garment.

Is M & S wrong for selling it?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3519932/Bin-burkini-M-S-launches-UK-burkini-Muslim-writer-YASMIN-ALIBHAI-BROWN-says-insidious-Islamification-fashion-terrible-blow-women.html

by veya_victaous Sun Apr 03, 2016 11:42 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Look at the racist twats demanding on women should wear.

Besides, this is not necessarily a religious garment. Nigella Lawson wears a Burkini. Because she doesn't want to show her chubby bits hanging out her regular bikini or swim suit.

And as someone has already said - what about wetsuits.

You idiots, from Stormee to Didge haven't really thought this through.

yeah i was going to say women tend to wear them if they dont wabnt to get burnt or are not confident about their skin. a fundmentalist Muslims is not going to beach in the first place.

and it is rashsuit material UV protectant and most children have swimming shirts made of this in Australia
as Usual it is "Much to do about nothing"

by Guest Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:43 am

I'm amazed that people fail to see how pressured women are by western society. Look a certain way, you are nothing if you are not sexy, flash as much as you can, never go without makeup. Scraggy hair - forget it, you're a non person. Men don't fancy you - shoot yourself. We even had a top film costume designer being told when accepting an award she was dressed like a bag lady. Muslim women pressurised by men - don't make me bloody laugh - all women are pressurised by men and it takes a strong woman to tell them to get stuffed. Wearing something that covers you up is one way of telling them precisely that - or do people really think that being told whether you have a 'beach body' or not isn't pressure.

by Irn Bru Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:50 am

Of course the Burka and the Burkini shouldn't be banned. Even Didge has said that it shouldn't and we should be supporting womens right.

Quite right to.

by Guest Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:26 am

So 3 more lefties support the backward regressive garment and do not support the rights of women but to continue to see them shackled

Quelle surprise

And nobody can counter my points

Its not about what people wear but that they are made to believe they have to where. Due to a belief its compulsory and that they will be punished in an after life if they do not wear.

The same principle applies to wear many think they have to segregate based on a belief and a fear, that if they do not, they will be punished and not only in a make belief life but in this life in some countries.

The same used to happen to women who had to cover their heads in churches

The choice is not on wearing the item, but the choice is made on what doctrine of faith they have decided to follow.

The garment is a symbol of oppression designed and created by men to control women and is found worn by a huge majority in places where women are subjugated and oppressed by men through doctrines like Wahhabism.

So as I stated before, to attend some schools, they have a compulsory school uniform.
If that child fails to wear the correct uniform, they are disciplined. From anything from a detention to being sent home.

The same principle applies here. The belief is indoctrinated that they have to wear, or that their Deity will be displeased and they will suffer in the after life. So fear is being used to make women wrongly believe they have to wear. Even worse is when this is drummed and forced onto a child growing up. Making them have the belief they want to wear something as it gets them a pass into their heaven.

So again for the leftist islamism appeasers here. This is an Islamist garment, from political islam, forced onto many, where only in the west some wrongly believe its choice. Were as seen, its not a choice, when you already believe you will suffer in a belief of the after life if you do not wear.

When are lefties going to stop encouraging a garment designed to subjugate women and thus support and back backward beliefs.
By advocating support of this barbaric outfit, you support then those nations that punish women over this.

Many Muslim women cannot even leave their doctrine of Islam, due to how then the family would ostracize them or even worse could happen to some. Where in some Muslim countries where this is prevalent, women cannot even leave Islam, on punishment of death.

So how is any of that a choice?

Its time people started to think and care for women and stop thinking beliefs based on ignorance and sexism deserve any defense[/size][/size]

An unfounded fear born from written claims by men, made into a book

That is not being free to choose, but commanded to or suffer the consequences.

Thus fear is the driving factor that has made people believe in religion for thousands of years.

They fear the unknown and then men have played off that fear, but capitalizing on that forming commands claimed to come from a God[/quote]

by veya_victaous Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:34 am

Umm knob My Mum wears one cause she is fuckin 63, Like Nigella it is VERY appealing to oldr woemn that dont; want to wear a revealing swimsuit.

For the record it is not much different than a Rash suit That are unigender
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Maybe if you weren't a racsit you accept PEOPLE are individuals and Can think for them selves and Dont' need Dumb Ass didge spouting off more ignorance about everything

by veya_victaous Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:37 am

and it is About what people believe Like EVIL NAZIs that Believe that they have even the slightest right to tell someone else what to wear.

You don’t seem to understand that YOU HAVE ZERO points, your whole post is just testament to your hypocrisy and prejudice against Islam Cause it THEY shouldn’t oppress women by forcing to wear certain thing then YOU SHOUDLN’T BE EITHER

by Guest Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:37 am

They are for diving, do you see people building sandcastles as a family at a holiday resort wearing them?

Or do you see them wearing a wetsuit which has specific purposes, because it has thermal insulation for when in the water for lengths of time?

The last time Europeans wore such items was during the Victorians and early 20th century when they were prudish

by Guest Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:39 am

Didge wrote:So 3 more lefties support the backward regressive garment and do not support the rights of women but to continue to see them shackled

Quelle surprise

And nobody can counter my points

Its not about what people wear but that they are made to believe they have to where. Due to a belief its compulsory and that they will be punished in an after life if they do not wear.

The same principle applies to wear many think they have to segregate based on a belief and a fear, that if they do not, they will be punished and not only in a make belief life but in this life in some countries.

The same used to happen to women who had to cover their heads in churches

The choice is not on wearing the item, but the choice is made on what doctrine of faith they have decided to follow.

The garment is a symbol of oppression designed and created by men to control women and is found worn by a huge majority in places where women are subjugated and oppressed by men through doctrines like Wahhabism.

So as I stated before, to attend some schools, they have a compulsory school uniform.
If that child fails to wear the correct uniform, they are disciplined. From anything from a detention to being sent home.

The same principle applies here. The belief is indoctrinated that they have to wear, or that their Deity will be displeased and they will suffer in the after life. So fear is being used to make women wrongly believe they have to wear. Even worse is when this is drummed and forced onto a child growing up. Making them have the belief they want to wear something as it gets them a pass into their heaven.

So again for the leftist islamism appeasers here. This is an Islamist garment, from political islam, forced onto many, where only in the west some wrongly believe its choice. Were as seen, its not a choice, when you already believe you will suffer in a belief of the after life if you do not wear.

When are lefties going to stop encouraging a garment designed to subjugate women and thus support and back backward beliefs.
By advocating support of this barbaric outfit, you support then those nations that punish women over this.

Many Muslim women cannot even leave their doctrine of Islam, due to how then the family would ostracize them or even worse could happen to some. Where in some Muslim countries where this is prevalent, women cannot even leave Islam, on punishment of death.

So how is any of that a choice?

Its time people started to think and care for women and stop thinking beliefs based on ignorance and sexism deserve any defense[/size][/size]

An unfounded fear born from written claims by men, made into a book

That is not being free to choose, but commanded to or suffer the consequences.

Thus fear is the driving factor that has made people believe in religion for thousands of years.

They fear the unknown and then men have played off that fear, but capitalizing on that forming commands claimed to come from a God

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Again people are doing the worst deflections over why this is a regressive item born from the sexism of men and they continue to defend it and most of all

Nobody can respond to these points

They offer up excuses for this garment instead

by veya_victaous Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:50 am

Didge thinks he can repress women

So Didge why do you think you can tell my mum what to wear by the pool?

Cause she will kick your Pathetic misogynist ass!!!

Exactyl You have ZERO points as My mum is not Muslim No one forces her to do anything, She went out of her way to find herself a Burkini

But Didge says She should not be allowed any choices she should be denied the item of clothing she wishes to wear because it offends his hyper-prejudice against islam THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT

even the example in the OP is Nigella Lawson Again NOT Muslim so
any point that refers to religion is invaild as they are not religious

If you have a problem with seeing a women covered head to toe by her own choice the Problem is entirely YOURS

by veya_victaous Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:55 am

Didge wrote:They are for diving, do you see people building sandcastles as a family at a holiday resort wearing them?

Or do you see them wearing a wetsuit which has specific purposes, because it has thermal insulation for when in the water for lengths of time?

The last time Europeans wore such items was during the Victorians and early 20th century when they were prudish

YES
many people wear then if they are concerend about skin cancer
and they are not for diving they are for swimming

Also Exactly the point you guys so far behind think you need to show off skin to prove you are not prusdish.... well we worked out that is how you get skin cancer.. maybe if you weren't behind the times back in europe you'd be aware of that fact.

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by Guest Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:00 am

veya_victaous wrote:Didge thinks he can repress women
Its you stiffling their liberation, based on the points below which you cannot answer

So Didge why do you think you can tell my mum what to wear by the pool?
Its not about telling people what to wear, its about people being made to fear they have to wear

Cause she will kick your Pathetic misogynist ass!!!
Really, how utterly childish showing you failed to understand a single point

Exactyl You have ZERO points as My mum is not Muslim No one forces her to do anything, She went out of her way to find herself a Burkini
Again failing to understand a single point where fear is being used to make them believe if they do not wear the unfirom of the Wahhabist doctrine, they will be punished in the after life and you are supporting then neoconservative political Islam, that we see in Saudi and other Muslim nations
But Didge says She should not be allowed any choices she should be denied the item of clothing she wishes to wear because it offends his hyper-prejudice against islam THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT
Again failing to understand the points being made

even the example in the OP is Nigella Lawson Again NOT Muslim so
She did so to impress a man, over his like of pale skin, so she had an ulterior motive in doing so,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2542094/The-truth-THAT-Burkini-Nigella-said-picked-bizarre-head-toe-swimsuit-Saatchi-liked-women-pale.html

any point that refers to religion is invaild as they are not religious
That is nonsense on every level as this is a religious uniform

If you have a problem with seeing a women covered head to toe by her own choice the Problem is entirely YOURS

Zero points countered

Try again

So 3 more lefties support the backward regressive garment and do not support the rights of women but to continue to see them shackled

Quelle surprise

And nobody can counter my points

Its not about what people wear but that they are made to believe they have to where. Due to a belief its compulsory and that they will be punished in an after life if they do not wear.

The same principle applies to wear many think they have to segregate based on a belief and a fear, that if they do not, they will be punished and not only in a make belief life but in this life in some countries.

The same used to happen to women who had to cover their heads in churches

The choice is not on wearing the item, but the choice is made on what doctrine of faith they have decided to follow.

The garment is a symbol of oppression designed and created by men to control women and is found worn by a huge majority in places where women are subjugated and oppressed by men through doctrines like Wahhabism.

So as I stated before, to attend some schools, they have a compulsory school uniform.
If that child fails to wear the correct uniform, they are disciplined. From anything from a detention to being sent home.

The same principle applies here. The belief is indoctrinated that they have to wear, or that their Deity will be displeased and they will suffer in the after life. So fear is being used to make women wrongly believe they have to wear. Even worse is when this is drummed and forced onto a child growing up. Making them have the belief they want to wear something as it gets them a pass into their heaven.

So again for the leftist islamism appeasers here. This is an Islamist garment, from political islam, forced onto many, where only in the west some wrongly believe its choice. Were as seen, its not a choice, when you already believe you will suffer in a belief of the after life if you do not wear.

When are lefties going to stop encouraging a garment designed to subjugate women and thus support and back backward beliefs.
By advocating support of this barbaric outfit, you support then those nations that punish women over this.

Many Muslim women cannot even leave their doctrine of Islam, due to how then the family would ostracize them or even worse could happen to some. Where in some Muslim countries where this is prevalent, women cannot even leave Islam, on punishment of death.

So how is any of that a choice?

Its time people started to think and care for women and stop thinking beliefs based on ignorance and sexism deserve any defense[/size][/size]

An unfounded fear born from written claims by men, made into a book

That is not being free to choose, but commanded to or suffer the consequences.

Thus fear is the driving factor that has made people believe in religion for thousands of years.

They fear the unknown and then men have played off that fear, but capitalizing on that forming commands claimed to come from a God

by Guest Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:01 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Didge wrote:They are for diving, do you see people building sandcastles as a family at a holiday resort wearing them?

Or do you see them wearing a wetsuit which has specific purposes, because it has thermal insulation for when in the water for lengths of time?

The last time Europeans wore such items was during the Victorians and early 20th century when they were prudish

YES
many people wear then if they are concerend about skin cancer
and they are not for diving they are for swimming

Also Exactly the point you guys so far behind think you need to show off skin to prove you are not prusdish.... well we worked out that is how you get skin cancer.. maybe if you weren't behind the times back in europe you'd be aware of that fact.

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Biggest load of babble i have ever heard

by Guest Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:16 am

Didge wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Shame you're too gutless to do anything about it. You scummy little cun-t.

So not only a potty mouth but all you can do is offer insults unable to actually answer a single poster on here and yet again defend the neoconservative political Islam, that makes woman believe they will be punished if they do not cover their beauty. You know the beauty that supposedly this deity created and now claims, they are at fault for this beauty and now must cover themselves. This is based on the gibberish of the Abrahamic faiths because he created another flaw in men. Where they cannot keep their hands to themselves. So because of this design flaw, he now blames women and forces them to cover up or being punished due to his own failure in creating men as pervs. So men have God aid this imperfections, by placing the blame and emphasis on women to cover up and not that the men should learn to control their desires just as countless other men already do.

The most important point nobody could answer above
Thank goodness these lefties supporting this shackling of women were not around when Catholic women were also forced into wearing head coverings and made to believe they had to, as they would still be prevalent today in Christendom.
They would still have women wearing dresses down to their ankles.

Right, am off to work

Laters

by veya_victaous Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:53 am

Didge failing to see that he has no right to oppress women.

it is nto a uniform you just showed that you have ZERO poitns again if you do not even know what it is why open your mouth moron

by Guest Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:49 am

veya_victaous wrote:Didge failing to see that he has no right to oppress women.

it is nto a uniform you just showed that you have ZERO poitns again if you do not even know what it is why open your mouth moron

Its you oppressing them by backing such a backward religious belief, that makes women fear into wearing such a sexist garment and at every turn you supprt this Wahhabist belief

So much so you could not counter a single one of my points

Lets see what this school of Islam says:

In Islamic texts[edit]

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Algerian women wearing a traditional haïk

Many Muslims believe that the collected traditions of the life of Muhammed, or hadith, require both men and women to dress and behave modestly in public. However, this requirement has been interpreted in many different ways by Islamic scholars (ulema) and Muslim communities.
The Quran has been translated as stating:

"O Prophet! Say to your wives and your daughters and the women of the faithful to draw their outergarments close around themselves; that is better that they will be recognized and not annoyed. And God is ever Forgiving, Gentle."
— Qur'an, Surah 33 (Al-Ahzab), Verse 59

Another verse in the Quran is translated as:

"And say to the faithful women to lower their gazes, and to guard their private parts, and not to display their beauty except what is apparent of it, and to extend their headcoverings (khimars) to cover their bosoms (jaybs), and not to display their beauty except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband's fathers, or their sons, or their husband's sons, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their womenfolk, or what their right hands rule (slaves), or the followers from the men who do not feel sexual desire, or the small children to whom the nakedness of women is not apparent, and not to strike their feet (on the ground) so as to make known what they hide of their adornments. And turn in repentance to Allah together, O you the faithful, in order that you are successful"
— Qur'an, Surah 24 (An-Nur), Verse 31

A fatwa, written by Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid on the Saudi Arabian website IslamQA.info, states:

The correct view as indicated by the evidence is that the woman's face is 'awrah which must be covered. It is the most tempting part of her body, because what people look at most is the face, so the face is the greatest 'awrah of a woman

Namus[edit]

Further information: Namus
In the Muslim world, preventing women from being seen by men is closely linked to the concept of Namus.^[3]^[4]
Namus is an ethical category, a virtue, in Middle Eastern Muslim patriarchal character. It is a strongly gender-specific category of relations within a family described in terms of honor, attention, respect/respectability, and modesty. The term is often translated as "honor"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burqa

This is the neoconservative Political Islam, that the regressive are defending on here

by Raggamuffin Mon Apr 04, 2016 8:00 am

Would it help if they weren't called Burkinis? Perhaps quite a lot of women would like swimwear which doesn't expose so much flesh. The worst thing is the way it comes right up to the chin - although I suppose that would prevent burnt chests and necks.

by Guest Mon Apr 04, 2016 9:01 am

Well I would love to see how many Non- Muslims take up and buy this Rags?

I doubt even many Muslims would buy this.

by HoratioTarr Mon Apr 04, 2016 9:21 am

sassy wrote:I'm amazed that people fail to see how pressured women are by western society. Look a certain way, you are nothing if you are not sexy, flash as much as you can, never go without makeup. Scraggy hair - forget it, you're a non person. Men don't fancy you - shoot yourself. We even had a top film costume designer being told when accepting an award she was dressed like a bag lady. Muslim women pressurised by men - don't make me bloody laugh - all women are pressurised by men and it takes a strong woman to tell them to get stuffed. Wearing something that covers you up is one way of telling them precisely that - or do people really think that being told whether you have a 'beach body' or not isn't pressure.

And don't you think all that should change?

by Raggamuffin Mon Apr 04, 2016 9:37 am

HoratioTarr wrote:
sassy wrote:I'm amazed that people fail to see how pressured women are by western society. Look a certain way, you are nothing if you are not sexy, flash as much as you can, never go without makeup. Scraggy hair - forget it, you're a non person. Men don't fancy you - shoot yourself. We even had a top film costume designer being told when accepting an award she was dressed like a bag lady. Muslim women pressurised by men - don't make me bloody laugh - all women are pressurised by men and it takes a strong woman to tell them to get stuffed. Wearing something that covers you up is one way of telling them precisely that - or do people really think that being told whether you have a 'beach body' or not isn't pressure.

And don't you think all that should change?

The only ones who can change any of that is women - not by lecturing other women but by deciding themselves what matters and what doesn't matter. I don't think it's men who say women should wear make up actually - it's some other women. I'm not sure about the hair thing - it seems to be an innate thing that women want nice hair. Laughing

I don't go along with this notion that Muslim women should cover up so that men don't leap on them - I think those women flatter themselves too much. However, if they're saying that they're not there to be looked at and admired - or not admired - that's up to them.

by Guest Mon Apr 04, 2016 9:47 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

And don't you think all that should change?

The only ones who can change any of that is women - not by lecturing other women but by deciding themselves what matters and what doesn't matter. I don't think it's men who say women should wear make up actually - it's some other women. I'm not sure about the hair thing - it seems to be an innate thing that women want nice hair.

I don't go along with this notion that Muslim women should cover up so that men don't leap on them - I think those women flatter themselves too much. However, if they're saying that they're not there to be looked at and admired - or not admired - that's up to them.

Yes it will be down to women, which requires more and more support for progressive and secular Muslims. Where sadly again though where there has been an importing of Wahhabism, then women based off what Islam scholars claim, are led to believe this is an obligation to wear in islam. So you are as once happened with the Christian church, trying to combat organised religion. To then allow religion to be a personal belief and not one claimed off the views of men, steep in sexist views. So unless more scholars stand up and be counted, the problem will continue to exist. Where it has progressed is where they have stood up and been counted

by Raggamuffin Mon Apr 04, 2016 9:51 am

Didge wrote:Well I would love to see how many Non- Muslims take up and buy this Rags?

I doubt even many Muslims would buy this.

Maybe not such a drastic version, but I think that quite a lot of women would like to see swimwear which isn't quite so revealing. Swimwear is multifunctional really, unless you're literally going to a swimming pool for a swim. If you're on a beach, they're also for sunbathing, or keeping cooler, or to impress other people if they think they have a nice figure. However, some women do burn and they like to cover up a bit more - even in the sea or an outside pool. Some women who are a bit heavier don't necessarily want to expose themselves too much. It's not necessarily because others will judge them - they just don't like the flabby bits themselves. It's also not that easy to get a bikini or swimsuit to fit properly for some women.

by Raggamuffin Mon Apr 04, 2016 9:53 am

Didge wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

The only ones who can change any of that is women - not by lecturing other women but by deciding themselves what matters and what doesn't matter. I don't think it's men who say women should wear make up actually - it's some other women. I'm not sure about the hair thing - it seems to be an innate thing that women want nice hair.

I don't go along with this notion that Muslim women should cover up so that men don't leap on them - I think those women flatter themselves too much. However, if they're saying that they're not there to be looked at and admired - or not admired - that's up to them.

Yes it will be down to women, which requires more and more support for progressive and secular Muslims. Where sadly again though where there has been an importing of Wahhabism, then women based off what Islam scholars claim, are led to believe this is an obligation to wear in islam. So you are as once happened with the Christian church, trying to combat organised religion. To then allow religion to be a personal belief and not one claimed off the views of men, steep in sexist views. So unless more scholars stand up and be counted, the problem will continue to exist. Where it has progressed is where they have stood up and been counted

Well we weren't necessarily talking about religion, but I don't think it's up to anyone to tell Muslim women they should change their beliefs about what they should wear. I've made no secret of the fact that I think burkas are awful, and these burkinis are also fairly hideous, but it's not for me or anyone to tell women they can't wear them really.

by eddie Mon Apr 04, 2016 9:55 am

I wore a very longish type swimsuit when I was pregnant and on holiday in a very hot country.
I wanted to offer my skin extra protection - I brown very easily - and nobody made me wear one!

by Raggamuffin Mon Apr 04, 2016 9:58 am

Nigella Lawson said that she wore one because her husband liked pale women, and she didn't want to get a tan. Of course, some might say she was pandering to a man, but there are women who actually don't want to get a tan.

She also said this:

It was a very unflattering photo. Dry, I looked a lot better. Wet, I could see the hippo resemblance.'

I thought that was very sporting of her. Laughing

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2542094/The-truth-THAT-Burkini-Nigella-said-picked-bizarre-head-toe-swimsuit-Saatchi-liked-women-pale.html

by eddie Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:00 am

I am an extremely confident woman, I always have been, so I have no problem wearing bikinis etc but I can understand women that don't like to. It's a personal choice.

by Guest Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:01 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Didge wrote:

Yes it will be down to women, which requires more and more support for progressive and secular Muslims. Where sadly again though where there has been an importing of Wahhabism, then women based off what Islam scholars claim, are led to believe this is an obligation to wear in islam. So you are as once happened with the Christian church, trying to combat organised religion. To then allow religion to be a personal belief and not one claimed off the views of men, steep in sexist views. So unless more scholars stand up and be counted, the problem will continue to exist. Where it has progressed is where they have stood up and been counted

Well we weren't necessarily talking about religion, but I don't think it's up to anyone to tell Muslim women they should change their beliefs about what they should wear. I've made no secret of the fact that I think burkas are awful, and these burkinis are also fairly hideous, but it's not for me or anyone to tell women they can't wear them really.

Of course you can challenge beliefs when they effect people of which this does.
Again in the past women were made to believe to cover their heads in church

How on earth do you think that changed?

By being silent?
It changed because people will vocal as to why it was wrong

by Raggamuffin Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:03 am

eddie wrote:I am an extremely confident woman, I always have been, so I have no problem wearing bikinis etc but I can understand women that don't like to. It's a personal choice.

Yes. If you're on holiday and spending a lot of time on a beach, it can be quite time consuming to make sure that you're not going to burn, for example, so a burkini would solve that problem. People can be very judgemental on beaches IMO - if you cover up, people ask why you're bothering to be there if you don't want a tan. Laughing

by Raggamuffin Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:04 am

Didge wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Well we weren't necessarily talking about religion, but I don't think it's up to anyone to tell Muslim women they should change their beliefs about what they should wear. I've made no secret of the fact that I think burkas are awful, and these burkinis are also fairly hideous, but it's not for me or anyone to tell women they can't wear them really.

Of course you can challenge beliefs when they effect people of which this does.
Again in the past women were made to believe to cover their heads in church

How on earth do you think that changed?

By being silent?
It changed because people will vocal as to why it was wrong

They're choosing to cover up though, so why should they listen to you? It's not really your business is it?

by Guest Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:06 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Didge wrote:

Of course you can challenge beliefs when they effect people of which this does.
Again in the past women were made to believe to cover their heads in church

How on earth do you think that changed?

By being silent?
It changed because people will vocal as to why it was wrong

They're choosing to cover up though, so why should they listen to you? It's not really your business is it?

Wrong

Its not about what people wear but that they are made to believe they have to where. Due to a belief its compulsory and that they will be punished in an after life if they do not wear.

The same principle applies to wear many think they have to segregate based on a belief and a fear, that if they do not, they will be punished and not only in a make belief life but in this life in some countries.

The same used to happen to women who had to cover their heads in churches

The choice is not on wearing the item, but the choice is made on what doctrine of faith they have decided to follow.

The garment is a symbol of oppression designed and created by men to control women and is found worn by a huge majority in places where women are subjugated and oppressed by men through doctrines like Wahhabism.

So as I stated before, to attend some schools, they have a compulsory school uniform.
If that child fails to wear the correct uniform, they are disciplined. From anything from a detention to being sent home.

The same principle applies here. The belief is indoctrinated that they have to wear, or that their Deity will be displeased and they will suffer in the after life. So fear is being used to make women wrongly believe they have to wear. Even worse is when this is drummed and forced onto a child growing up. Making them have the belief they want to wear something as it gets them a pass into their heaven.

So again for the leftist islamism appeasers here. This is an Islamist garment, from political islam, forced onto many, where only in the west some wrongly believe its choice. Were as seen, its not a choice, when you already believe you will suffer in a belief of the after life if you do not wear.

When are lefties going to stop encouraging a garment designed to subjugate women and thus support and back backward beliefs.
By advocating support of this barbaric outfit, you support then those nations that punish women over this.

Many Muslim women cannot even leave their doctrine of Islam, due to how then the family would ostracize them or even worse could happen to some. Where in some Muslim countries where this is prevalent, women cannot even leave Islam, on punishment of death.

So how is any of that a choice?

Its time people started to think and care for women and stop thinking beliefs based on ignorance and sexism deserve any defense[/size][/size]

An unfounded fear born from written claims by men, made into a book

That is not being free to choose, but commanded to or suffer the consequences.

Thus fear is the driving factor that has made people believe in religion for thousands of years.

They fear the unknown and then men have played off that fear, but capitalizing on that forming commands claimed to come from a God

by Raggamuffin Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:08 am

I'm not wrong, and you need to stop people they're "wrong" all the time. Seriously Didge, why do you feel the need to judge others and tell them what they should think all the time?

I'm sure you've posted that about ten times already anyway.

by eddie Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:09 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
eddie wrote:I am an extremely confident woman, I always have been, so I have no problem wearing bikinis etc but I can understand women that don't like to. It's a personal choice.

Yes. If you're on holiday and spending a lot of time on a beach, it can be quite time consuming to make sure that you're not going to burn, for example, so a burkini would solve that problem. People can be very judgemental on beaches IMO - if you cover up, people ask why you're bothering to be there if you don't want a tan.

I go brown very easily - my dad was exceptionally dark as were all his family (French-Canadian heritage I guess?) - but I often cover up if I don't want to go too brown.
The sun ages your skin and I like mine looking young.....otherwise I'll have to start drinking the blood of virgins and I can't, due to being a vegetarian lol!

by Guest Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:10 am

Raggamuffin wrote:I'm not wrong, and you need to stop people they're "wrong" all the time. Seriously Didge, why do you feel the need to judge others and tell them what they should think all the time?

I'm sure you've posted that about ten times already anyway.

I will emphatically tell them they are wrong when they cannot counter my points and offer up poor excuses.

If you think I am wrong then counter my points

If you cannot, then you are wrong

Its not about what people wear but that they are made to believe they have to where. Due to a belief its compulsory and that they will be punished in an after life if they do not wear.

The same principle applies to wear many think they have to segregate based on a belief and a fear, that if they do not, they will be punished and not only in a make belief life but in this life in some countries.

The same used to happen to women who had to cover their heads in churches

The choice is not on wearing the item, but the choice is made on what doctrine of faith they have decided to follow.

The garment is a symbol of oppression designed and created by men to control women and is found worn by a huge majority in places where women are subjugated and oppressed by men through doctrines like Wahhabism.

So as I stated before, to attend some schools, they have a compulsory school uniform.
If that child fails to wear the correct uniform, they are disciplined. From anything from a detention to being sent home.

The same principle applies here. The belief is indoctrinated that they have to wear, or that their Deity will be displeased and they will suffer in the after life. So fear is being used to make women wrongly believe they have to wear. Even worse is when this is drummed and forced onto a child growing up. Making them have the belief they want to wear something as it gets them a pass into their heaven.

So again for the leftist islamism appeasers here. This is an Islamist garment, from political islam, forced onto many, where only in the west some wrongly believe its choice. Were as seen, its not a choice, when you already believe you will suffer in a belief of the after life if you do not wear.

When are lefties going to stop encouraging a garment designed to subjugate women and thus support and back backward beliefs.
By advocating support of this barbaric outfit, you support then those nations that punish women over this.

Many Muslim women cannot even leave their doctrine of Islam, due to how then the family would ostracize them or even worse could happen to some. Where in some Muslim countries where this is prevalent, women cannot even leave Islam, on punishment of death.

So how is any of that a choice?

Its time people started to think and care for women and stop thinking beliefs based on ignorance and sexism deserve any defense

An unfounded fear born from written claims by men, made into a book

That is not being free to choose, but commanded to or suffer the consequences.

Thus fear is the driving factor that has made people believe in religion for thousands of years.

They fear the unknown and then men have played off that fear, but capitalizing on that forming commands claimed to come from a God

by Raggamuffin Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:11 am

eddie wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Yes. If you're on holiday and spending a lot of time on a beach, it can be quite time consuming to make sure that you're not going to burn, for example, so a burkini would solve that problem. People can be very judgemental on beaches IMO - if you cover up, people ask why you're bothering to be there if you don't want a tan.

I go brown very easily - my dad was exceptionally dark as were all his family (French-Canadian heritage I guess?) - but I often cover up if I don't want to go too brown.
The sun ages your skin and I like mine looking young.....otherwise I'll have to start drinking the blood of virgins and I can't, due to being a vegetarian

I don't tan very well, and I do burn, so I sometimes like to wear long sleeves in summer. People think that's a bit weird though. Laughing

by eddie Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:12 am

Raggamuffin wrote:I'm not wrong, and you need to stop people they're "wrong" all the time. Seriously Didge, why do you feel the need to judge others and tell them what they should think all the time?

I'm sure you've posted that about ten times already anyway.

Yes didge we've all seen your "points" by now.
If no one has answerd them it's becaeue they don't want to, and if the do answer them it won't matter as you'll still say they're "wrong"

So.......
Can you stop spamming the thread with them please?

by Guest Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:15 am

eddie wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:I'm not wrong, and you need to stop people they're "wrong" all the time. Seriously Didge, why do you feel the need to judge others and tell them what they should think all the time?

I'm sure you've posted that about ten times already anyway.

Yes didge we've all seen your "points" by now.
If no one has answerd them it's becaeue they don't want to, and if the do answer them it won't matter as you'll still say they're "wrong"

So.......
Can you stop spamming the thread with them please?

You can get stuffed as its not spamming when people fail to answer
You are being biased because you disagree with me

The questions will remain being posted until answered as I am not having you bend the rules so you can allow people to get off answering

by Raggamuffin Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:16 am

I'm sure people can answer the "points" if they want to. You can't force them to, no matter how many times it's posted.

by Guest Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:17 am

Raggamuffin wrote:I'm sure people can answer the "points" if they want to. You can't force them to, no matter how many times it's posted.

Poor excuses again

If you think they can be answered then why have you not done so to then prove me wrong?

So in other words you are making excuses and i am not going to allow Eddie to abuse the rules because she already has posted on this topic in disagreement thus abusing her position

by Raggamuffin Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:19 am

Just as an aside, I wonder why hand parasols haven't made a big comeback. You can get them, but they're not that common. They're absolutely ideal if you don't like too much sun.

by Raggamuffin Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:20 am

Didge wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:I'm sure people can answer the "points" if they want to. You can't force them to, no matter how many times it's posted.

Poor excuses again

If you think they can be answered then why have you not done so to then prove me wrong?

So in other words you are making excuses and i am not going to allow Eddie to abuse the rules because she already has posted on this topic in disagreement thus abusing her position

Because I didn't read the whole post - on any of the occasions you posted it. I'm not interested in proving you wrong - you have your opinions and I have mine.

by Guest Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:24 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Didge wrote:

Poor excuses again

If you think they can be answered then why have you not done so to then prove me wrong?

So in other words you are making excuses and i am not going to allow Eddie to abuse the rules because she already has posted on this topic in disagreement thus abusing her position

Because I didn't read the whole post - on any of the occasions you posted it. I'm not interested in proving you wrong - you have your opinions and I have mine.

Yet more feeble excuses

This is a debate forum and basically Eddie is trying to set a precedent that people do not have to answer points they cannot or are able to do so

That to me is cheating

Now if you cannot counter the points, that means you have failed and are wrong as you should be able to counter my views which I will continue to post as I not going to bow down to cheats

Try again

by Raggamuffin Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:27 am

Didge wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Because I didn't read the whole post - on any of the occasions you posted it. I'm not interested in proving you wrong - you have your opinions and I have mine.

Yet more feeble excuses

This is a debate forum and basically Eddie is trying to set a precedent that people do not have to answer points they cannot or are able to do so

That to me is cheating

Now if you cannot counter the points, that means you have failed and are wrong as you should be able to counter my views which I will continue to post as I not going to bow down to cheats

Try again

Why don't you come up with some new points to actually address the post you're quoting instead of spamming the thread with the same post?

What would be the point anyway? Any post you do is littered with the words "wrong" and "failed". You are simply incapable of debating because you can't accept that others don't have the same views as you.

by Guest Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:29 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Didge wrote:

Yet more feeble excuses

This is a debate forum and basically Eddie is trying to set a precedent that people do not have to answer points they cannot or are able to do so

That to me is cheating

Now if you cannot counter the points, that means you have failed and are wrong as you should be able to counter my views which I will continue to post as I not going to bow down to cheats

Try again

Why don't you come up with some new points to actually address the post you're quoting instead of spamming the thread with the same post?

What would be the point anyway? Any post you do is littered with the words "wrong" and "failed". You are simply incapable of debating because you can't accept that others don't have the same views as you.

Feeble excuses again

A debate is where people place up their views and then each other counter

So far you have made excuses, claimed they can be answered and failed to answer them

Either put up or you are wrong

If this was a debate at a University, you would have been laughed off by now with your excuses

Try again

by Major Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:30 am

Didge

People do NOT have to answer anything they do not wish to. END OF.

Not many eat spam nowadays.

by Raggamuffin Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:30 am

Didge wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Why don't you come up with some new points to actually address the post you're quoting instead of spamming the thread with the same post?

What would be the point anyway? Any post you do is littered with the words "wrong" and "failed". You are simply incapable of debating because you can't accept that others don't have the same views as you.

Feeble excuses again

A debate is where people place up their views and then each other counter

So far you have made excuses, claimed they can be answered and failed to answer them

Either put up or you are wrong

If this was a debate at a University, you would have been laughed off by now with your excuses

Try again

That's what it's like for most people, but for you it's not. For you, a debate is where you tell anyone who disagrees with you that they're wrong, that they failed, or that they don't know what they're talking about.

by Guest Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:32 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Didge wrote:

Feeble excuses again

A debate is where people place up their views and then each other counter

So far you have made excuses, claimed they can be answered and failed to answer them

Either put up or you are wrong

If this was a debate at a University, you would have been laughed off by now with your excuses

Try again

That's what it's like for most people, but for you it's not. For you, a debate is where you tell anyone who disagrees with you that they're wrong, that they failed, or that they don't know what they're talking about.

More feeble excuses

You are wrong until you can reason against my points and I have never ever seen you admit to being wrong, where I have admitted to being wrong. So your views fit you perfectly

So once again put up or you are wrong

by Raggamuffin Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:33 am

You see? You said I was "wrong" yet again - several times.

Oh, I forgot to include the word "feeble" - that's another of your usual comebacks when you're "debating" Didge.

by Guest Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:35 am

Raggamuffin wrote:You see? You said I was "wrong" yet again - several times.

Oh, I forgot to include the word "feeble" - that's another of your usual comebacks when you're "debating" Didge.

That is because you have now for the last countless pathetic and feeble posts offered up numerous woeful excuses to not debate my points

If they are unanswered it renders your views nullified as you cannot respond to mine

Either you are very stupid, or i am right, by your continued excuses.

by eddie Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:39 am

Didge wrote:
eddie wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:I'm not wrong, and you need to stop people they're "wrong" all the time. Seriously Didge, why do you feel the need to judge others and tell them what they should think all the time?

I'm sure you've posted that about ten times already anyway.

Yes didge we've all seen your "points" by now.
If no one has answerd them it's becaeue they don't want to, and if the do answer them it won't matter as you'll still say they're "wrong"

So.......
Can you stop spamming the thread with them please?

You can get stuffed as its not spamming when people fail to answer
You are being biased because you disagree with me

The questions will remain being posted until answered as I am not having you bend the rules so you can allow people to get off answering

Yeah didge, I'm only pulling you up because I disagree wth you. Rolling Eyes

Here's the thing: I've asked you to stop spamming, if you don't, pay the consequence.

by Raggamuffin Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:39 am

Meh. I'm giving my opinion, and I don't care how many times you say I'm "wrong" Didge. You can't debate IMO, and there's an end to it.

Go and harass someone else.

by Guest Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:44 am

eddie wrote:
Didge wrote:

You can get stuffed as its not spamming when people fail to answer
You are being biased because you disagree with me

The questions will remain being posted until answered as I am not having you bend the rules so you can allow people to get off answering

Yeah didge, I'm only pulling you up because I disagree wth you.

Here's the thing: I've asked you to stop spamming, if you don't, pay the consequence.

lol so now you will allow posters to get out of answering difficult points, thus defeating the point of a debate

I will repeat this is a debate forum and not facebook

I suggest you post there as this is a place for debate

Once again I am not going to allow you to make up some bullshit rule that gets people out of difficult questions

So you can jog right on and even if you weasel up to the other mods, then I will tell then the same

If this is going to be ther new rule, then there is little point being here as you are stifling debate

Let me know your decision and the other mods and I will happily leave to go where there is uncensored debate

Thankls

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