Should the Burkini be banned?

Didge wrote:I am going to walk away now, and as seen how can someone claim harassment, when  they continue to argue

In other words its bull

Again sorry for any disruption to the rest and my points still stand

HoratioTarr wrote:I can't imagine anything more uncomfortable on the beach, and the most ridiculous garment.

Is M & S wrong for selling it?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3519932/Bin-burkini-M-S-launches-UK-burkini-Muslim-writer-YASMIN-ALIBHAI-BROWN-says-insidious-Islamification-fashion-terrible-blow-women.html

In fact, my first reaction to M&S’s latest launch was: ‘I hate the way I look in a swimsuit, I’d love to cover up.’ But my second thought was that this is exactly why it’s wrong. Why? Like it or not, female clothes carry messages.
When companies sell overly revealing clothes to girls, they are colluding with the poisonous idea that women’s bodies are there purely to attract the sexual attention of men. Ironically, the same message is given when women and girls accept that they must veil parts of their bodies or disappear under full veils. These are two sides of the same coin.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3519932/Bin-burkini-M-S-launches-UK-burkini-Muslim-writer-YASMIN-ALIBHAI-BROWN-says-insidious-Islamification-fashion-terrible-blow-women.html#ixzz458Suptwn

4EVER2 wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:I can't imagine anything more uncomfortable on the beach, and the most ridiculous garment.

Is M & S wrong for selling it?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3519932/Bin-burkini-M-S-launches-UK-burkini-Muslim-writer-YASMIN-ALIBHAI-BROWN-says-insidious-Islamification-fashion-terrible-blow-women.html

You've asked a question but along with that you've posted your own biased POV regarding something that you'd never have to be forced into wearing --- freedom of choice    
clipped from your article > > >

In fact, my first reaction to M&S’s latest launch was: ‘I hate the way I look in a swimsuit, I’d love to cover up.’ But my second thought was that this is exactly why it’s wrong. Why? Like it or not, female clothes carry messages.
When companies sell overly revealing clothes to girls, they are colluding with the poisonous idea that women’s bodies are there purely to attract the sexual attention of men. Ironically, the same message is given when women and girls accept that they must veil parts of their bodies or disappear under full veils. These are two sides of the same coin.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3519932/Bin-burkini-M-S-launches-UK-burkini-Muslim-writer-YASMIN-ALIBHAI-BROWN-says-insidious-Islamification-fashion-terrible-blow-women.html#ixzz458Suptwn

  For every human with the ability to CHOSE what they want to wear in public --- great, do as you freely chose to; but to impose a 'self-righteous' opinion upon a faith based group of humans purely for the derogation of their belief and method of dress is just as wrong as reverse racism can be. But that's MY OPINION and I'm happy to be open minded enough to share it! 

sassy wrote:I love the way arrogant men who tell women that they can't wear something because they think other men might be making them wear it when they are not and it is the woman's decision, don't even realise they are STILL TRYING TO TELL WOMEN WHAT TO WEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sassy wrote:I love the way arrogant men who tell women that they can't wear something because they think other men might be making them wear it when they are not and it is the woman's decision, don't even realise they are STILL TRYING TO TELL WOMEN WHAT TO WEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

4EVER2 wrote:

sassy wrote:I love the way arrogant men who tell women that they can't wear something because they think other men might be making them wear it when they are not and it is the woman's decision, don't even realise they are STILL TRYING TO TELL WOMEN WHAT TO WEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yipper, that is what Veya and I were discussing last evening {back when the forum child was ranting about ignoring Veya because he wasn't WORTHY}...the IRONY about this topic and so similar to the one about women's menstrual cycle and vacation/days off from work --- MIND BLOWING   
And while the title under Didge-doo's avatar clearly states; 'confined to the basement' it would appear that the MOD F'd up that placement and Didge-doo is leaving his mental-midget diarrhea in every topic genre he deems necessary!

Raggamuffin wrote:FFS, shut up Didge. You've said the same thing about 100 times now. You don't have the right to tell people their religion is wrong or try to bully them into giving it up. Leave people alone FFS.

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:FFS, shut up Didge. You've said the same thing about 100 times now. You don't have the right to tell people their religion is wrong or try to bully them into giving it up. Leave people alone FFS.

So where that poster just slagged me off and I asked about points on the debate, you tell me to fuck off and try to stifle and censu me from debating

Like I said, stop acting like a baby

I will post and challenge and if you do not like that, tough

sassy wrote:Hopefully it will be sorted soon Rags.

sassy wrote:Hopefully it will be sorted soon Rags.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:

So where that poster just slagged me off and I asked about points on the debate, you tell me to fuck off and try to stifle and censu me from debating

Like I said, stop acting like a baby

I will post and challenge and if you do not like that, tough

Yes, I'm telling you to shut the fuck up. You're all over this forum like a rash spouting off about the same thing over and over again, and then insulting anyone who doesn't reply or who does reply but doesn't agree with you.

I hope you get shoved in the basement soon. Next time you flounce, leave my name out of it too - what a load of shite that turned out to be.

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Yes, I'm telling you to shut the fuck up. You're all over this forum like a rash spouting off about the same thing over and over again, and then insulting anyone who doesn't reply or who does reply but doesn't agree with you.

I hope you get shoved in the basement soon. Next time you flounce, leave my name out of it too - what a load of shite that turned out to be.

You can tell me, but you are going to be continually disappointed

I hope you get sent their too as well for your childish behavior and continually stirring

Again I suggest you grow up and move on

Didge wrote:Anyway back to the points at hand

Why are people defending a belief that enslaves women?

This belief invented by sexist men?

sassy wrote:Apparently Veya putting him in the basement didn't work for some reason, it's being looked into.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:Anyway back to the points at hand

Why are people defending a belief that enslaves women?

This belief invented by sexist men?

People are defending a woman's right to wear a burkini if they want to wear one. You won't get them banned, no matter how much you bleat on and on.

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

People are defending a woman's right to wear a burkini if they want to wear one. You won't get them banned, no matter how much you bleat on and on.

I never said to ban but to liberate them from poor beliefs designed by men to make them feel they are to blame for the wrongs done by men.
You are defending a belief, which misleads women through fear into thinking they will be punished if they do not wear.
If you were defending what they want to wear, then answer why then when Muslims leave this faith they discontinue to cover themselves as was required within the faith?

4EVER2 wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:I can't imagine anything more uncomfortable on the beach, and the most ridiculous garment.

Is M & S wrong for selling it?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3519932/Bin-burkini-M-S-launches-UK-burkini-Muslim-writer-YASMIN-ALIBHAI-BROWN-says-insidious-Islamification-fashion-terrible-blow-women.html

You've asked a question but along with that you've posted your own biased POV regarding something that you'd never have to be forced into wearing --- freedom of choice    
clipped from your article > > >

In fact, my first reaction to M&S’s latest launch was: ‘I hate the way I look in a swimsuit, I’d love to cover up.’ But my second thought was that this is exactly why it’s wrong. Why? Like it or not, female clothes carry messages.
When companies sell overly revealing clothes to girls, they are colluding with the poisonous idea that women’s bodies are there purely to attract the sexual attention of men. Ironically, the same message is given when women and girls accept that they must veil parts of their bodies or disappear under full veils. These are two sides of the same coin.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3519932/Bin-burkini-M-S-launches-UK-burkini-Muslim-writer-YASMIN-ALIBHAI-BROWN-says-insidious-Islamification-fashion-terrible-blow-women.html#ixzz458Suptwn

  For every human with the ability to CHOSE what they want to wear in public --- great, do as you freely chose to; but to impose a 'self-righteous' opinion upon a faith based group of humans purely for the derogation of their belief and method of dress is just as wrong as reverse racism can be. But that's MY OPINION and I'm happy to be open minded enough to share it! 

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:

I never said to ban but to liberate them from poor beliefs designed by men to make them feel they are to blame for the wrongs done by men.
You are defending a belief, which misleads women through fear into thinking they will be punished if they do not wear.
If you were defending what they want to wear, then answer why then when Muslims leave this faith they discontinue to cover themselves as was required within the faith?

It's not your business what they believe. Leave them alone, you great bully. I will defend people's right to religious faith, whether you like it or not.

HoratioTarr wrote:

4EVER2 wrote:

You've asked a question but along with that you've posted your own biased POV regarding something that you'd never have to be forced into wearing --- freedom of choice    
clipped from your article > > >



  For every human with the ability to CHOSE what they want to wear in public --- great, do as you freely chose to; but to impose a 'self-righteous' opinion upon a faith based group of humans purely for the derogation of their belief and method of dress is just as wrong as reverse racism can be. But that's MY OPINION and I'm happy to be open minded enough to share it! 

the reason Nigella's wearing that burkini, is she felt too fat, and she knew the media would take great delight in photographing her cellulite.   I don't hold it with being a garment just  to keep out the sun.  The average woman isn't going to spend hours and hours in the sea, and if she sits on the beach she's gonna sit in the shade, not swelter in full sunlight in that fucking get up, sweating like a glass blower's arse!

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

It's not your business what they believe. Leave them alone, you great bully. I will defend people's right to religious faith, whether you like it or not.

Never said you could not defend, but you are defending a belief born from the sexist views of men that blame women for how they look.

HoratioTarr wrote:And even if Nigella's reasoning was that her husband liked women with pale skin, then that's one of the worst reasons for wearing it...pandering to a control freak who turned out to be a violent bully.   If that doesn't smack of all the Burqa stands for I don't know what does.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


Never said you could not defend, but you are defending a belief born from the sexist views of men that blame women for how they look.

I'll defend what I like. I don't go around telling people what they should believe "for their own good".

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I'll defend what I like. I don't go around telling people what they should believe "for their own good".

Again I never said you could not, but again you are defending a prejudice born from the sexist views of men
That is keeping women enslaved by views written down 1400 years ago.
Its the 21st century and again where women have left they have ceased to then follow this backward belief which used fear to make them believe they should wear

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:

Again I never said you could not, but again you are defending a prejudice born from the sexist views of men
That is keeping women enslaved by views written down 1400 years ago.
Its the 21st century and again where women have left they have ceased to then follow this backward belief which used fear to make them believe they should wear

Yes, it's the 21st Century - where people have freedom to choose what they wear without people like you trying to bully them.

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Yes, it's the 21st Century - where people have freedom to choose what they wear without people like you trying to bully them.

But again women are being misled, which you seem to have little concern over the fact they are being controlled by the views of men.
You do realise in the countries where this is law, it is enforced and many women suffer?
They cannot even leave the faith or will be executed for apostasy?
Its the worst form of enslavement and you are defending that

Didge wrote:Well can you walk around naked?

What happens if you did walk around naked in the high street other than causing mass hysteria and panic?

Again it does not have to be banned but to help educate how something is born from the control of sexist men. To help liberate them of this lie they are being fed

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:FFS, shut up Didge. You've said the same thing about 100 times now. You don't have the right to tell people their religion is wrong or try to bully them into giving it up. Leave people alone FFS.

So where that poster just slagged me off and I asked about points on the debate, you tell me to fuck off and try to stifle and censu me from debating
Like I said, stop acting like a baby

I will post and challenge and if you do not like that, tough

Re: Should the Burkini be banned?
 by Didge Yesterday at 7:24 pm


In fact veya, I have decided you are that stupid, even Tommy has more intelligence than you, and he is not worth debating at the best of time

I am just going to ignore your post when you are posting as a poster and more than anything because you back regressive backward views and is pointless even discussing with someone of your ignorance

Enjoy, being ignored as a poster, as i will no longer reply to your stupidity, its simple exhausting just reading how thick and stupid you are

Now jog the fuck on, I will wait for others who are going to at least tackle my points instead of you inventing and claiming unfounded nonsense which I have never said. So enjoy now being ignored in debates, as I have done before and will now keep to this time as I have given you too many chances to stop inventing and making up unfounded things I have not said on the thread

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:

But again women are being misled, which you seem to have little concern over the fact they are being controlled by the views of men.
You do realise in the countries where this is law, it is enforced and many women suffer?
They cannot even leave the faith or will be executed for apostasy?
Its the worst form of enslavement and you are defending that

If they want to be controlled by men, that's entirely up to them.  You'll find it's not against the law in this country to give up a religion. Anyway, you're telling them to give it up, so clearly you approve of them being executed for leaving Islam.

sassy wrote:Nope, you are a man telling them to do what YOU think and they are not allowed to decide for themselves, your way or no way.  You are just as bad as any man telling them to wear it.

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

If they want to be controlled by men, that's entirely up to them.  You'll find it's not against the law in this country to give up a religion. Anyway, you're telling them to give it up, so clearly you approve of them being executed for leaving Islam.

So you believe in slavery now?

Can we have that clarified now?

I am not telling them to do anything other than open their eyes to the lie they are being fed upon

A lie that blames them for their beauty and that its their beauty which again they claim causes men to rape them

I mean how absurd and illogical would this deity be

He creates humans in his image and then is ashamed of this image to the extent of commanding them to cover up

They are liberated or free to choose because they believe they will suffer if they do not.

In other wordss fear is being played off to make them believe they should wear and worst of all you defend that

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:

So you believe in slavery now?

Can we have that clarified now?

I am not telling them to do anything other than open their eyes to the lie they are being fed upon

A lie that blames them for their beauty and that its their beauty which again they claim causes men to rape them

I mean how absurd and illogical would this deity be

He creates humans in his image and then is ashamed of this image to the extent of commanding them to cover up

They are liberated or free to choose because they believe they will suffer if they do not.

In other wordss fear is being played off to make them believe they should wear and worst of all you defend that

Slavery? If a woman is told by a man she should wear a birkini, and she agrees, that's her choice. She is free to tell him to get stuffed. When will you accept that some women wear them from choice, and that nobody is making them wear them?

Tell you what? Why don't you barge into a convent or a Buddhist centre and tell all the Nuns there that they shouldn't be wearing that stuff, and that they're "slaves"?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:

So you believe in slavery now?

Can we have that clarified now?

I am not telling them to do anything other than open their eyes to the lie they are being fed upon

A lie that blames them for their beauty and that its their beauty which again they claim causes men to rape them

I mean how absurd and illogical would this deity be

He creates humans in his image and then is ashamed of this image to the extent of commanding them to cover up

They are liberated or free to choose because they believe they will suffer if they do not.

In other wordss fear is being played off to make them believe they should wear and worst of all you defend that

Slavery? If a woman is told by a man she should wear a birkini, and she agrees, that's her choice. She is free to tell him to get stuffed. When will you accept that some women wear them from choice, and that nobody is making them wear them.

Tell you what? Why don't you barge into a Nunnery or a Buddhist centre and tell all the Nuns there that they shouldn't be wearing that stuff, and that they're "slaves"?