Should the Burkini be banned?

Didge wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Didge wrote:Well I would love to see how many Non- Muslims take up and buy this Rags?

I doubt even many Muslims would buy this.

MY MUM you TWAT
and most of her friends and they are not Muslim.
My god you are such an ass,
Older women with fair skin like it
as you can swim it

So they are selling for non cultral non religous reason PURE practical reasons

Bullshit.....

Didge wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:maybe it should be banned in the Uk
Since you dont have any Sunlight
and it is never warm enough to swim

Maybe you should stop backing a neoconservative Political Islamist garment that seeks to subjugate women through a belief they are at fault for their beauty to the sexual desires of men.
You know a deity creates men and women, then clearly admits to a fault with the men, blames the women and demands they cover up fully.

Of course its all a crock of shit and its just men controlling women with man made commands played off fear and you support that

veya_victaous wrote:

Didge wrote:


Bullshit.....

no it is not

just for that I am going say Everything you say about your family is bullshit

want to say people are lying about their family
you are now OFFICALLY open to any claims that you are lying about your family.
You are no longer allowed to report it happening to you, if you do you will be banned.

Taking a stand against your hypocrisy cause I am Sick of having the other mods complain about being spammed by YOUR complaints

veya_victaous wrote:

Didge wrote:


Maybe you should stop backing a neoconservative Political Islamist garment that seeks to subjugate women through a belief they are at fault for their beauty to the sexual desires of men.
You know a deity creates men and women, then clearly admits to a fault with the men, blames the women and demands they cover up fully.

Of course its all a crock of shit and its just men controlling women with man made commands played off fear and you support that

give one reason why you have a right to tell women what to wear?

Didge wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Didge wrote:


Bullshit.....

no it is not

just for that I am going say Everything you say about your family is bullshit

want to say people are lying about their family
you are now OFFICALLY open to any claims that you are lying about your family.
You are no longer allowed to report it happening to you, if you do you will be banned.

Taking a stand against your hypocrisy cause I am Sick of having the other mods complain about being spammed by YOUR complaints

More bullshit

Yes I think you re a liar

I have had people constantly claim I am lying about my family all the time and you have never said od done a damn thing, in fact only Ben, Eddie and Victor ever moderate, you just ban people you do not like.
So Eddie was whinging trying to stiffle debate, nice to know she was bitching then
The rule is on bringing other members into this, which you did, I never did

And you cannot decide new rules, showing you are having a tantrum, so I will continue to report and if you do not like it because I am showing your ignorance on this debate, tough shit

Show me the sales by Non-Muslims of this?

I could not give a shit what you think, you are an imbecile who supports regressive garments created by men

And if people avoid questions, these ceases to be a debate and do you want me to show how many times you fasely charge this of me yourself.

So now having a hissy fit because I have shown you to be an appeaser of Islamism, is your own fault#
]
Stop bringing in things of no relevance.

In other words stop over stepping your position

Get that into your thick head

Guest wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Didge wrote:


Bullshit.....

no it is not

just for that I am going say Everything you say about your family is bullshit

want to say people are lying about their family
you are now OFFICALLY open to any claims that you are lying about your family.
You are no longer allowed to report it happening to you, if you do you will be banned.

Taking a stand against your hypocrisy cause I am Sick of having the other mods complain about being spammed by YOUR complaints

More bullshit

Yes I think you re a liar

I have had people constantly claim I am lying about my family all the time and you have never said od done a damn thing, in fact only Ben, Eddie and Victor ever moderate, you just ban people you do not like.
So Eddie was whinging trying to stiffle debate, nice to know she was bitching then
The rule is on bringing other members into this, which you did, I never did

And you cannot decide new rules, showing you are having a tantrum, so I will continue to report and if you do not like it because I am showing your ignorance on this debate, tough shit

Show me the sales by Non-Muslims of this?

I could not give a shit what you think, you are an imbecile who supports regressive garments created by men

And if people avoid questions, these ceases to be a debate and do you want me to show how many times you fasely charge this of me yourself.

So now having a hissy fit because I have shown you to be an appeaser of Islamism, is your own fault#
]
Stop bringing in things of no relevance.

In other words stop over stepping your position

Get that into your thick head

veya_victaous wrote:

Didge wrote:


More bullshit

Yes I think you re a liar

I have had people constantly claim I am lying about my family all the time and you have never said od done a damn thing, in fact only Ben, Eddie and Victor ever moderate, you just ban people you do not like.
So Eddie was whinging trying to stiffle debate, nice to know she was bitching then
The rule is on bringing other members into this, which you did, I never did

And you cannot decide new rules, showing you are having a tantrum, so I will continue to report and if you do not like it because I am showing your ignorance on this debate, tough shit

Show me the sales by Non-Muslims of this?

I could not give a shit what you think, you are an imbecile who supports regressive garments created by men

And if people avoid questions, these ceases to be a debate and do you want me to show how many times you fasely charge this of me yourself.

So now having a hissy fit because I have shown you to be an appeaser of Islamism, is your own fault#
]
Stop bringing in things of no relevance.

In other words stop over stepping your position

Get that into your thick head

Stop thinking you are anything
basement for you

sassy wrote:Er - what war of words?  Didge refused to stop calling Veya a liar about his mother.  That's against the rules.

sassy wrote:How can I do that?   And I do believe him.

Guest wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:


no it is not

just for that I am going say Everything you say about your family is bullshit

want to say people are lying about their family
you are now OFFICALLY open to any claims that you are lying about your family.
You are no longer allowed to report it happening to you, if you do you will be banned.

Taking a stand against your hypocrisy cause I am Sick of having the other mods complain about being spammed by YOUR complaints

More bullshit

Yes I think you re a liar

I have had people constantly claim I am lying about my family all the time and you have never said od done a damn thing, in fact only Ben, Eddie and Victor ever moderate, you just ban people you do not like.
So Eddie was whinging trying to stiffle debate, nice to know she was bitching then
The rule is on bringing other members into this, which you did, I never did

And you cannot decide new rules, showing you are having a tantrum, so I will continue to report and if you do not like it because I am showing your ignorance on this debate, tough shit

Show me the sales by Non-Muslims of this?

I could not give a shit what you think, you are an imbecile who supports regressive garments created by men

And if people avoid questions, these ceases to be a debate and do you want me to show how many times you fasely charge this of me yourself.

So now having a hissy fit because I have shown you to be an appeaser of Islamism, is your own fault#
]
Stop bringing in things of no relevance.

In other words stop over stepping your position

Get that into your thick head

nicko wrote:I saw Ms Lawson wearing one,   she looked a right tit.

Raggamuffin wrote:Regardless of the motive for women wearing these things, maybe it will catch on in a less dramatic style.

Tbh, going to a beach on a Greek island or wherever is like a military operation in some ways - make sure you have factor 50 on before you step out of the door, make you have had loads more in your bag, along with all manner of garments to cover your arms and legs with, plus a hat or a parasol in case you can't find any shade ...

Mind you, I wouldn't wear the hat bit of a burkini anyway - that's bound to make your hair flat.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Regardless of the motive for women wearing these things, maybe it will catch on in a less dramatic style.

Tbh, going to a beach on a Greek island or wherever is like a military operation in some ways - make sure you have factor 50 on before you step out of the door, make you have had loads more in your bag, along with all manner of garments to cover your arms and legs with, plus a hat or a parasol in case you can't find any shade ...

Mind you, I wouldn't wear the hat bit of a burkini anyway - that's bound to make your hair flat.

Knit  your own balaclava, I say! 

Cass wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

Knit  your own balaclava, I say! 

If I had a choice I would go with birkini. Those are just downright scary HT. Far too much like clowns.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Cass wrote:


If I had a choice I would go with birkini. Those are just downright scary HT. Far too much like clowns.

gimp masks more like 

Irn Bru wrote:That's more like it

Raggamuffin wrote:

nicko wrote:I saw Ms Lawson wearing one,   she looked a right tit.

Does it matter though? That's my point about "beachwear". If you're not wearing the "right" stuff, people will judge you, and it's really not their business.

veya_victaous wrote:i agree with irn and cass

so do the supporters of the ban plan to have officials tell women they need to expose more flesh in order to stay on the beach?  

and yes those shoes are hideous...
not that i noticed them until you said something  

nicko wrote: People who wear the Burkini  drown more often than those who don't.

veya_victaous wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Does it matter though? That's my point about "beachwear". If you're not wearing the "right" stuff, people will judge you, and it's really not their business.

that is right.
and beach and swimming culture are a big part of Aussie culture to the point it is part of the school curriculum, swimming carnivals are the big inter-school sport. so the burkini has been an 'instrument of integration', the Muslim parents can no longer say she can't on religious grounds because they are just told get her a burkini.. plus the head piece comes off and i will admit my mum normally doesn't wear the headscarf bit or not properly more more like the 'Marilyn Monroe/ 1950's house wife' way.

they are also popular with Indian women too, so they come in all sorts of bright colours and stuff.

they are fine to swim in, neck to knee versions already existed (and where promoted by the cancer council) back when I was a kid and are still more common.

eddie wrote:There's always huge discussions about what Muslim women wear.
I wonder if the word "bukhini" hadn't been mentioned if this would even be a thread on a forum....

Stormee wrote:

nicko wrote: People who wear the Burkini  drown more often than those who don't.

sassy wrote:

eddie wrote:There's always huge discussions about what Muslim women wear.
I wonder if the word "bukhini" hadn't been mentioned if this would even be a thread on a forum....

Yep, spot on, if they had said it was a sun protection suit to stop you getting skin cancer, people would have said 'what a good idea'.

sassy wrote:I imagine you would wear a normal bra under it.

HoratioTarr wrote:I can't imagine anything more uncomfortable on the beach, and the most ridiculous garment.

Is M & S wrong for selling it?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3519932/Bin-burkini-M-S-launches-UK-burkini-Muslim-writer-YASMIN-ALIBHAI-BROWN-says-insidious-Islamification-fashion-terrible-blow-women.html

Irn Bru wrote:Leave the women to wear what they want.



Anyway, how would any ban be enforced? If a women who was not a Muslim decided to cover herself up to swim in the water surely she wouldn't be arrested or told to strip off a bit more.

Didge wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:Leave the women to wear what they want.



Anyway, how would any ban be enforced? If a women who was not a Muslim decided to cover herself up to swim in the water surely she wouldn't be arrested or told to strip off a bit more.

How many more times?

This is about changing what like then was once a perception held onto women, again based on regressive beliefs.

This is about liberating what are religious views being spoon fed to women through the neoconservative political beliefs of Wahhabism, that enslaves women through man made works. Which uses fear, to make them believe they should cover up.

Simple questions to ask yourself and consider.

If this was a choice, why is it then we do not see non-Muslims buy the Burhka?

Why is if freely given the choice, if these women were hypothetically non-Muslims, would they wear the burka?

If it is the case that they do not wear through a matter of choice and then it is religion that is the driving factor based off a fear on how they should dress, based on a view they are indoctrinated will be punished in the after life

How is that a choice?

The worst aspect of all of this, is that many are forced to wear around the world and cannot even leave their faith, and to some of you think its a joke. I find that again utterly irresponsible. Women did not fight tooth and nail to combat sexism, to then have people on here defend the man made beliefs of men, saudi m,en at that.

Just think about that, the next time you defend this, as Wahhabism, genesis was within what is now known as Saudi.
And that Al-Qaeda, ISIS, the Taliban,  Boko harem are all followers of Wahhabism

veya_victaous wrote:

Didge wrote:

How many more times?

This is about changing what like then was once a perception held onto women, again based on regressive beliefs.

This is about liberating what are religious views being spoon fed to women through the neoconservative political beliefs of Wahhabism, that enslaves women through man made works. Which uses fear, to make them believe they should cover up.

Simple questions to ask yourself and consider.

If this was a choice, why is it then we do not see non-Muslims buy the Burhka?

Why is if freely given the choice, if these women were hypothetically non-Muslims, would they wear the burka?

If it is the case that they do not wear through a matter of choice and then it is religion that is the driving factor based off a fear on how they should dress, based on a view they are indoctrinated will be punished in the after life

How is that a choice?

The worst aspect of all of this, is that many are forced to wear around the world and cannot even leave their faith, and to some of you think its a joke. I find that again utterly irresponsible. Women did not fight tooth and nail to combat sexism, to then have people on here defend the man made beliefs of men, saudi m,en at that.

Just think about that, the next time you defend this, as Wahhabism, genesis was within what is now known as Saudi.
And that Al-Qaeda, ISIS, the Taliban,  Boko harem are all followers of Wahhabism

Proving you are more worried about attacking islam than justice.
When are you going to grasp, I have no respect for any religion, especially when they are born from the most backward views formed from men centuries ago, which means the Abrahamic religion?

I will treat you with the contempt you deserve like any other man, Muslim or otherwise, that thinks they can tell women what to wear.
OMG it beggars belief you still back the views of men of which this is as to why women are wearing this?
Can you not see this. I dont care which religion it is, because they still do with some Jews also wear the Burqa, both being wrong, showing how utterly backward your perception is. Its people like you that in the past supported idiots ion the Catholic church that locked up pregnant women in Convents and denied women equal rights by protecting beliefs again formed from books

SO AGAIN
your have this personal crusade against Islam, the rest of us stand for personal freedoms,
Proving again  you are an idiot. I do not care which religion it is, when it effects gthe well being of others, as there is another thread where inm Northern Ireland women cannot have abortions and again, no religion deserves respect, they like racism and homophobia are bad belief systems, because in these religions they have absolute moral beliefs, which for 2000 years and continuing today effects and allows for the suffering of many. As to Islam, Christianity and Judaism, all 3 are a crock of shit.
and in this case you are doing the exacty same thing as a fundamentalist Muslim
YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TELL THEM WHAT TO WEAR
Show me where I said they did you thick ignorant waste of space? This is about educating and speaking out on wrongs
Do you understand the difference, you waste of oxygen
You are one thick idiot

end of story, to persist in telling them what to wear makes you a fundamentalist to your beleifs and if you cannot accept that in western culture her right to Choose Exceeds your right to tell her what to wear then I suggest you move to Iran or Saud Arabia where their opinion on "Your right to tell women what to wear" is inline with your own.

It was the aftermath of the riots between Lebanese Australians and Anglo Australian youths at Sydney’s Cronulla beach in 2005 that transformed Zanetti’s small business. The federally funded ‘On the Same Wave’ program run by Surf Life Saving Australia aimed at building bridges and increasing the ethnic diversity of surf life saving clubs by running training programs for young Muslims. Mecca Laalaa was one of their first recruits and when a photo of her wearing the Burqini® in SLSA colours went viral, Zanetti was inundated with orders. The Australian Trade Commissioner credited her with rebuilding Australia’s international reputation as an egalitarian society after the racist perceptions generated by the riots.

veya_victaous wrote:I answered you point clearly.. you just haver no answer so keep saying the same thing. 
You have failed to answer the point the One overriding Point that clearly outlines which is 'just'

What right to you have to tell a women what she can wear?

Until you can answer that you have no valid points as All your points are cancelled by that one.

Your hatred of religon does give you the right to tell women what to do any more than someones religon gives them that right.

4EVER2 wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:I answered you point clearly.. you just haver no answer so keep saying the same thing. 
You have failed to answer the point the One overriding Point that clearly outlines which is 'just'

What right to you have to tell a women what she can wear?

Until you can answer that you have no valid points as All your points are cancelled by that one.

Your hatred of religon does give you the right to tell women what to do any more than someones religon gives them that right.

Well, for his usual ranting diatribes that amount to little more then his foot-stamping immature rants; nothing he crawls up onto his pedestal about and screeches to the members will make/change/or modify what and how 'I' feel about my freedoms and my fellow Muslim/Islamic gal-pals that find them 'NORMAL' attire to wear.
Pointless abuse and no points made on the debate

Only in his 'OWN' mind has he made "valid points" and that is just a sad fact of life for Diggy-Doo; but once he's formed his own limited opinion/POV then all discussion becomes mute points.    But he'll keep flaming you and your IQ {according to his standard} as he's refuting every post you ever make  
Pointless abuse and no points made on the debate

A.) he's posted no factual data about 'non-Muslims' purchasing any Burkas
PMSL you show me if any non-Muslims are wearing this daily, the onus is on you silly child
B.) he's not shared any data about the amount of sales from his own source for volume of total sales; Muslim vs Non-Muslim
I never made the claim on sales, that was zack, I actually asked to show if any of the swimwear Burkini's have been sold again onus on others little one
C.) why does Diggy-Doo seem to get his undies in a knot about women's issues
Why do you continue to just offer up immature drivel

Don't like wearing a Burka --- great, I'd prefer to keep my mind clear of any such image of Diggy-Doo wearing one --- PERIOD.