Should the Burkini be banned?

by HoratioTarr Sat Apr 02, 2016 11:38 am

First topic message reminder :

I can't imagine anything more uncomfortable on the beach, and the most ridiculous garment.

Is M & S wrong for selling it?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3519932/Bin-burkini-M-S-launches-UK-burkini-Muslim-writer-YASMIN-ALIBHAI-BROWN-says-insidious-Islamification-fashion-terrible-blow-women.html

by Guest Thu Apr 07, 2016 3:40 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Can employers refuse to give a woman a job if she's wearing a burka? I think they should be able to if it's a job which requires dealing with the public or other staff. Would it be fair to say that most women who wear burkas don't actually need a job or need to socialise with non-Muslims.

I can only speak of the example that we {my general area} have with the influence of the Emporia Teaching College within 35 miles of my home; there are 17 different foreign nationalities represented at that college and there are Asian as well as Muslim, Arabic, Islamic young people going to school, sharing dorms and finding employment from that teaching college.

I have often seen and had assistance from many of those young people: head scarfs and modified burka's galore --- it's never been an issue within this small demographic section of America --- and there's a plenty of illegal immigration issues and Neanderthal attitudes too.

The college has a yearly - 'International Day'; they open up the student union annex for this event - invite all of the local grade school children and public to come in and 'greet & meet'. It's was highly educational to hear the young men & women explain about their native {normal} attire and what they wore when in their own country vs what they were 'ALLOWED' to bring with them to the USA. The full 'head to toe' burka outfits received as much attention and questions as did the Arabic outfits worn by the young men; neither gender would wear the entire national standard outfit off campus but used the modified western form of dressing as they felt comfortable in.

So as with my 10+ years of coming into contact with these Islam's/Muslims/Arabic/Asian young people, plus the years of my own college days --- I can't speak to the worst of the worst extremists within their faith but only know and speak about the moderates that I've known!

For our #1 ranting nit-wit on here; his claim of 'fighting for the repression of all women subjected to the Burka/Burkini or wearing of the veils' --- just pure BS and ranting with zero foundation as his usual diatribes prove!

by Raggamuffin Thu Apr 07, 2016 3:42 pm

I think there's a big difference between "Islamic dress" and covering your entire body, including the face. I'm trying to imagine working with someone in such a garment. I don't think they could do the particular job really, and how would they be a part of the "team"? I guess if they were a very nice person, one might get used to it, but I can't imagine it.

by Guest Thu Apr 07, 2016 4:24 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:I think there's a big difference between "Islamic dress" and covering your entire body, including the face. I'm trying to imagine working with someone in such a garment. I don't think they could do the particular job really, and how would they be a part of the "team"? I guess if they were a very nice person, one might get used to it, but I can't imagine it.

Your comment made me 'snicker'...a college buddy {chemist - criminal science major} is always ranting to me about those TV shows like NCIS/CSI etc., etc., etc.

This is what she has to dress up when working in the 'LAB' doing tests > > >
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Should the Burkini be banned? - Page 8 IStock_000003365982Medium_WEB

She's always having a BAD HAIR DAY! Should the Burkini be banned? - Page 8 2190311264

It just goes to show...it's all relative to the specific job and what is allowed &/or required.

by Raggamuffin Thu Apr 07, 2016 4:46 pm

It would depend on what the job is of course. I presume those people don't wear masks all the time anyway. Laughing

If someone's sitting in an office typing or doing admin, it probably doesn't matter, but what if they have to deal with the public or have a lot of interaction with their colleagues?

by Guest Thu Apr 07, 2016 5:04 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:It would depend on what the job is of course. I presume those people don't wear masks all the time anyway.

If someone's sitting in an office typing or doing admin, it probably doesn't matter, but what if they have to deal with the public or have a lot of interaction with their colleagues?

Certainly...and where's the well - there's a way > > >

Should the Burkini be banned? - Page 8 Muslim_woman_gym

And as a women that now has 'skin issues'...there's absolutely nothing wrong with these > > >
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Should the Burkini be banned? - Page 8 Burka-swimwear-for-Muslim-Women-Collection

by Raggamuffin Thu Apr 07, 2016 5:09 pm

I have no problem with burkinis. I'm not sure I would wear one myself - not the hat bit anyway. Laughing

by Guest Thu Apr 07, 2016 5:42 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:I have no problem with burkinis. I'm not sure I would wear one myself - not the hat bit anyway.

Not that I enjoy having to wear these > > >
Should the Burkini be banned? - Page 8 Leaf_Molded-Swim_Cap

but it was required for our swim team {circa 1960's - 1970's} and not every swim team used it as a standard requirement but our team coach certainly did.
My thick head of curly hair was like trying to stuff a head full of 'Orphan Annies' hair do into that nasty rubber cap --- UGH, I despised those stinky rubber caps.

Nearly made me go bald from pulling sections out, just getting it off & on! Mad

by eddie Thu Apr 07, 2016 5:52 pm

Didge wrote:
eddie wrote:Didge you logged off at 3:06 am and was back posting at 6:14am

Did you actually sleep??

Perhaps that's part of your problem.

Ahh another one trying to give life advice when they buy into loons off the web trying to sell crackpot natural remedies

Odd are you trying to stir and derail the thread Eddie

My time is my buisness

Just an observation and perhaps some friendly advice.....
Go to bed and sleep from time to time.

by Fuzzy Zack Thu Apr 07, 2016 6:39 pm

eddie wrote:
Didge wrote:

Ahh another one trying to give life advice when they buy into loons off the web trying to sell crackpot natural remedies

Odd are you trying to stir and derail the thread Eddie

My time is my buisness

Just an observation and perhaps some friendly advice.....
Go to bed and sleep from time to time.

Even with a 3 hour wankathon he couldn't calm down. That's amazing. What a waste of Internet porn.

by HoratioTarr Thu Apr 07, 2016 7:29 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

Burqa and Niqab. Are you saying the man would allow his wife to not cover up if she so chose?

Lol! Do I speak for all men? Perhaps there is some man who is controlling. You have plenty of non Muslim men like that too.

Face covering is not an Islamic requirement. Some choose to do so, for some it's culture. Some like to copy the prophet's wives, who did cover their face but this was not a requirement for all women.

You sound quite blase about it. I'm sure, as a man, you're not arsed either way. But as this is done in the name of Islam, don't you feel it should change?

by HoratioTarr Thu Apr 07, 2016 7:31 pm

You're fucking stuffed if you're deaf and have to lip read.

by Ben Reilly Thu Apr 07, 2016 8:09 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:You're fucking stuffed if you're deaf and have to lip read.

In that case, I imagine it's fine to ... drumroll please ... remove the face covering. Just like it's fine for people to not fast during Ramadan if it would damage their health; fine for people to never complete the Hajj if they're poor or disabled; fine for women to have abortions after 4 months if their lives are threatened, if they were raped or if the fetus is deformed; fine to miss one of the daily prayers if it can't be managed; etc.

by eddie Thu Apr 07, 2016 9:37 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:You're fucking stuffed if you're deaf and have to lip read.

In that case, I imagine it's fine to ... drumroll please ... remove the face covering. Just like it's fine for people to not fast during Ramadan if it would damage their health; fine for people to never complete the Hajj if they're poor or disabled; fine for women to have abortions after 4 months if their lives are threatened, if they were raped or if the fetus is deformed; fine to miss one of the daily prayers if it can't be managed; etc.

Exactly that.

by Victorismyhero Thu Apr 07, 2016 10:28 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:You're fucking stuffed if you're deaf and have to lip read.

In that case, I imagine it's fine to ... drumroll please ... remove the face covering. Just like it's fine for people to not fast during Ramadan if it would damage their health; fine for people to never complete the Hajj if they're poor or disabled; fine for women to have abortions after 4 months if their lives are threatened, if they were raped or if the fetus is deformed; fine to miss one of the daily prayers if it can't be managed; etc.

in which case...why isnt it fine for them to remove said face covering when wishing to converse with "us"....

It really comes down to this

IF you wish to continue with YOUR CHOICE (and religion IS a true CHOICE), then you have NO RIGHT to expect any concessions on those grounds....

we had a do a few years back over sikhs and crash helmets...and the idiot govt gave into them

they should have told em /

if you wish to be a sikh, and adhere to every particular of that YOU have to accept that some things will not be given to you...in this case the right to drive a motorcycle,

witnreference to the face covering...

I wont, under ANY (and I MEAN any...no matter how desperate) circumstances, be in any way engaged in conversation etc with someone wearing such, except in such circumstances that either a) I know the person well or , b) circumstances dictate that a face covering is essential and appropriate

by Guest Thu Apr 07, 2016 10:30 pm

Well Vic, I don't think you are likely to be in that position, so don't worry about it Rolling Eyes

Oh, and if religions are not allowed any concessions, they had better stop church bells if people complain.

by Guest Thu Apr 07, 2016 10:46 pm

Granted, I see your POV LordFoul...but I've often asked and then just gave up when a man won't remove his blackened sun glasses and won't look me in the eye as we carry on a discussion!

Annoying as all hell but I just feel like - I asked, and he ignored me so I'll just beg my leave and walk away.
And I do have a nephew that is legally blind, so don't think I'm referring to sight impaired humans! Wink

by eddie Thu Apr 07, 2016 10:56 pm

Vic, you're simply talking about manners really. As 4ever just said, it's the same with people wearing sunglasses - that's what you're saying really.

by Victorismyhero Thu Apr 07, 2016 10:57 pm

sassy wrote:Well Vic, I don't think you are likely to be in that position, so don't worry about it

Oh, and if religions are not allowed any concessions, they had better stop church bells if people complain.

well there is a case for that, but...since those likely to complain are going to be townies......

by Guest Thu Apr 07, 2016 10:59 pm

Lord Foul wrote:
sassy wrote:Well Vic, I don't think you are likely to be in that position, so don't worry about it

Oh, and if religions are not allowed any concessions, they had better stop church bells if people complain.

well there is a case for that, but...since those likely to complain are going to be townies......

Actually, the ones who complain around here are the ones who have always lived here and have got fed up with them. I actually like them.

Then again, we do have a lot of churches going bing bong on a Sunday and practisiing other times.

by Victorismyhero Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:03 pm

eddie wrote:Vic, you're simply talking about manners really. As 4ever just said, it's the same with people wearing sunglasses - that's what you're saying really.

true ...but "they" dont have any..."they" expect "us" to bow to their ways...once again

and you are right...crash helmet, dark glases, whatever..you wanna talk to me...take em off....or f**k off.... cos if I cant see your face.....I DONT trust you AT ALL, not one little bit...

without a face you are an alien/dr crippen/the black panther/herman goering/stalin/polpot and satan all rolled into one....and YES that hand of mine YOU cant see IS on something unpleasant....

by Victorismyhero Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:06 pm

sassy wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:
sassy wrote:Well Vic, I don't think you are likely to be in that position, so don't worry about it

Oh, and if religions are not allowed any concessions, they had better stop church bells if people complain.

well there is a case for that, but...since those likely to complain are going to be townies......

Actually, the ones who complain around here are the ones who have always lived here and have got fed up with them. I actually like them.

Then again, we do have a lot of churches going bing bong on a Sunday and practisiing other times.

you must live in a community of batty old fossils then Razz

, with nowt better to do than find a reason to whinge

since it is a well known and verified fact that you get immune to certain noises if you live with them

like traffic in town
like folks who live close to motorways..
like folks who live close to a working farm....

by eddie Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:13 pm

Lord Foul wrote:
eddie wrote:Vic, you're simply talking about manners really. As 4ever just said, it's the same with people wearing sunglasses - that's what you're saying really.

true ...but "they" dont have any..."they" expect "us" to bow to their ways...once again

and you are right...crash helmet, dark glases, whatever..you wanna talk to me...take em off....or f**k off.... cos if I cant see your face.....I DONT trust you AT ALL, not one little bit...

without a face you are an alien/dr crippen/the black panther/herman goering/stalin/polpot and satan all rolled into one....and YES that hand of mine YOU cant see IS on something unpleasant....

Alright, slow down. You're not living in a horror film Rolling Eyes

by Fuzzy Zack Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:15 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Lol! Do I speak for all men? Perhaps there is some man who is controlling. You have plenty of non Muslim men like that too.

Face covering is not an Islamic requirement. Some choose to do so, for some it's culture. Some like to copy the prophet's wives, who did cover their face but this was not a requirement for all women.

You sound quite blase about it. I'm sure, as a man, you're not arsed either way. But as this is done in the name of Islam, don't you feel it should change?

But the face veil is not done in the name of Islam, as it's not a religious requirement.

I don't care how other people dress. To impose my opinion would be as hypocritical of me as the ones who think that women must wear the veil. I'm for choice.

by Victorismyhero Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:17 pm

eddie wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:
eddie wrote:Vic, you're simply talking about manners really. As 4ever just said, it's the same with people wearing sunglasses - that's what you're saying really.

true ...but "they" dont have any..."they" expect "us" to bow to their ways...once again

and you are right...crash helmet, dark glases, whatever..you wanna talk to me...take em off....or f**k off.... cos if I cant see your face.....I DONT trust you AT ALL, not one little bit...

without a face you are an alien/dr crippen/the black panther/herman goering/stalin/polpot and satan all rolled into one....and YES that hand of mine YOU cant see IS on something unpleasant....

Alright, slow down. You're not living in a horror film

you are kidding......right....??????

by eddie Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:26 pm

Erm no?

by Victorismyhero Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:43 pm

eddie wrote:Erm no?

try telling THAT to te victims of rotherham, bradford etc ...and the dozens of other places all evidence has likely been hurriedly destroyed

by eddie Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:53 pm

Lord Foul wrote:
eddie wrote:Erm no?
try telling THAT to te victims of rotherham, bradford etc ...and the dozens of other places all evidence has likely been hurriedly destroyed

Those girls were raped by men, not burkhini-clad women?

by Victorismyhero Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:55 pm

thats not the point...I was refering to your "horror movie" life..comment

by eddie Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:58 pm

Lord Foul wrote:thats not the point...I was refering to your "horror movie" life..comment

Because you said you "trust no one" Suspect

by veya_victaous Fri Apr 08, 2016 12:19 am

Lord Foul wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:You're fucking stuffed if you're deaf and have to lip read.

In that case, I imagine it's fine to ... drumroll please ... remove the face covering. Just like it's fine for people to not fast during Ramadan if it would damage their health; fine for people to never complete the Hajj if they're poor or disabled; fine for women to have abortions after 4 months if their lives are threatened, if they were raped or if the fetus is deformed; fine to miss one of the daily prayers if it can't be managed; etc.

in which case...why isnt it fine for them to remove said face covering when wishing to converse with "us"....

It really comes down to this

IF you wish to continue with YOUR CHOICE (and religion IS a true CHOICE), then you have NO RIGHT to expect any concessions on those grounds....

we had a do a few years back over sikhs and crash helmets...and the idiot govt gave into them

they should have told em /

if you wish to be a sikh, and adhere to every particular of that YOU have to accept that some things will not be given to you...in this case the right to drive a motorcycle,

witnreference to the face covering...

I wont, under ANY (and I MEAN any...no matter how desperate) circumstances, be in any way engaged in conversation etc with someone wearing such, except in such circumstances that either a) I know the person well or , b) circumstances dictate that a face covering is essential and appropriate

but why do you need them to?

it is 2 way street, your demand is quite unnessacry, unless you need to lip read

although i do disagree with the full face veil in general i dont think it should be banned except in situations where you couldn't wear a full face helmet of balaclava etc..... one rule for all etc... Wink

the sikh helmet things is a bit of a pain, we have the same here (that's the temple near me) i think we just need someone to invent a solution.... like the burkini Cool

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/west/sikh-and-youll-be-fined-glenwoods-sikh-community-want-to-keep-their-turbans-on-while-cycling-in-suburban-streets/news-story/457fd6ca230e7052587bec6a6afcf42f#load-story-comments

by Victorismyhero Fri Apr 08, 2016 12:48 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:You're fucking stuffed if you're deaf and have to lip read.

In that case, I imagine it's fine to ... drumroll please ... remove the face covering. Just like it's fine for people to not fast during Ramadan if it would damage their health; fine for people to never complete the Hajj if they're poor or disabled; fine for women to have abortions after 4 months if their lives are threatened, if they were raped or if the fetus is deformed; fine to miss one of the daily prayers if it can't be managed; etc.

in which case...why isnt it fine for them to remove said face covering when wishing to converse with "us"....

It really comes down to this

IF you wish to continue with YOUR CHOICE (and religion IS a true CHOICE), then you have NO RIGHT to expect any concessions on those grounds....

we had a do a few years back over sikhs and crash helmets...and the idiot govt gave into them

they should have told em /

if you wish to be a sikh, and adhere to every particular of that YOU have to accept that some things will not be given to you...in this case the right to drive a motorcycle,

witnreference to the face covering...

I wont, under ANY (and I MEAN any...no matter how desperate) circumstances, be in any way engaged in conversation etc with someone wearing such, except in such circumstances that either a) I know the person well or , b) circumstances dictate that a face covering is essential and appropriate

but why do you need them to?

because some one who hides their face has something to hide....

it is 2 way street, your demand is quite unnessacry, unless you need to lip read

how is it two way???
THEY want to hide their face (and hence be able to lie/dissemble with impunity) and I dont know which is the case...you are advocating the fools world of open ended unilateral trust

although i do disagree with the full face veil in general i dont think it should be banned except in situations where you couldn't wear a full face helmet of balaclava etc..... one rule for all etc...

the sikh helmet things is a bit of a pain, we have the same here (that's the temple near me) i think we just need someone to invent a solution.... like the burkini
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/west/sikh-and-youll-be-fined-glenwoods-sikh-community-want-to-keep-their-turbans-on-while-cycling-in-suburban-streets/news-story/457fd6ca230e7052587bec6a6afcf42f#load-story-comments

by Irn Bru Fri Apr 08, 2016 12:52 am

We had that debate here in the UK about Sikh's wearing crash helmets and Winston Churchill made his views very clear in that they should not be forced to wear them. He had tremedous admiration for the Sikh community for their contribution in fighting in WWII.

by Victorismyhero Fri Apr 08, 2016 1:00 am

I agree they shouldnt have been forced to wear them....

BUT THEY should also have carried the inevitable burden of increased insurance ...the cost should NOT have been amortised across all motor insurance....

by Irn Bru Fri Apr 08, 2016 1:01 am

Just for the record this was Didge's views on this subject a while back...

Member wrote wrote:What about the women who are forced to wear the Burqa in this country,(I know some wish to wear it and it is their choice but this is not true for all Muslim ladies) It is a sheet,it is a symbol of repression and control and it is impractical.Women in this so called civilised day and age should not be forced to wear sheets on the basis that a man may glance in their direction.

Didge wrote wrote:Really forced to wear? Again nobody should be forced to wear anything the amount of women that wear this is so small it is a something that again Muslims should teach is not part of Islam, but you are again using a small amount of Muslims to promote a view of a claim to a much bigger problem which does not tally up to your claims. What about those who wish to wear, being as your are all for women's rights, why do you not back those who chose to have the right to wear one? You go off what you call as civilized, but to some women who wear this, it has nothing to do with anything more than showing respect to their faith, their choice, even if I think myself it is not good for communication. You do not though use something so small as to promote a poor argument what you do is teach and show a more approachable to way to help bring about change, as forcing people to change, has the opposite affect

Completely the opposite to what the views he has been holding now and has been demanding answers on.

Oh well.

by eddie Fri Apr 08, 2016 1:02 am

Irn Bru wrote:Just for the record this was Didge's views on this subject a while back...

Member wrote wrote:What about the women who are forced to wear the Burqa in this country,(I know some wish to wear it and it is their choice but this is not true for all Muslim ladies) It is a sheet,it is a symbol of repression and control and it is impractical.Women in this so called civilised day and age should not be forced to wear sheets on the basis that a man may glance in their direction.

Didge wrote wrote:Really forced to wear? Again nobody should be forced to wear anything the amount of women that wear this is so small it is a something that again Muslims should teach is not part of Islam, but you are again using a small amount of Muslims to promote a view of a claim to a much bigger problem which does not tally up to your claims. What about those who wish to wear, being as your are all for women's rights, why do you not back those who chose to have the right to wear one? You go off what you call as civilized, but to some women who wear this, it has nothing to do with anything more than showing respect to their faith, their choice, even if I think myself it is not good for communication. You do not though use something so small as to promote a poor argument what you do is teach and show a more approachable to way to help bring about change, as forcing people to change, has the opposite affect

Completely the opposite to what the views he has been holding now and has been demanding answers on.

Oh well.

Very interesting lol!

by veya_victaous Fri Apr 08, 2016 2:46 am

Lord Foul wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:You're fucking stuffed if you're deaf and have to lip read.

In that case, I imagine it's fine to ... drumroll please ... remove the face covering. Just like it's fine for people to not fast during Ramadan if it would damage their health; fine for people to never complete the Hajj if they're poor or disabled; fine for women to have abortions after 4 months if their lives are threatened, if they were raped or if the fetus is deformed; fine to miss one of the daily prayers if it can't be managed; etc.

in which case...why isnt it fine for them to remove said face covering when wishing to converse with "us"....

It really comes down to this

IF you wish to continue with YOUR CHOICE (and religion IS a true CHOICE), then you have NO RIGHT to expect any concessions on those grounds....

we had a do a few years back over sikhs and crash helmets...and the idiot govt gave into them

they should have told em /

if you wish to be a sikh, and adhere to every particular of that YOU have to accept that some things will not be given to you...in this case the right to drive a motorcycle,

witnreference to the face covering...

I wont, under ANY (and I MEAN any...no matter how desperate) circumstances, be in any way engaged in conversation etc with someone wearing such, except in such circumstances that either a) I know the person well or , b) circumstances dictate that a face covering is essential and appropriate

but why do you need them to?

because some one who hides their face has something to hide....

in your archaic culture little bits like this have to be let go for anything to work

it is 2 way street, your demand is quite unnessacry, unless you need to lip read

how is it two way???
THEY want to hide their face (and hence be able to lie/dissemble with impunity) and I dont know which is the case...you are advocating the fools world of open ended unilateral trust

it works and is 2 way, you can hide you face too .. plus a false sense of security.. a lot of east asians are near flawless at hiding expression even I can 'stoneface' when negotiating , just because you see skin does not mean what your seeing is not a mask

although i do disagree with the full face veil in general i dont think it should be banned except in situations where you couldn't wear a full face helmet of balaclava etc..... one rule for all etc...

the sikh helmet things is a bit of a pain, we have the same here (that's the temple near me) i think we just need someone to invent a solution.... like the burkini
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/west/sikh-and-youll-be-fined-glenwoods-sikh-community-want-to-keep-their-turbans-on-while-cycling-in-suburban-streets/news-story/457fd6ca230e7052587bec6a6afcf42f#load-story-comments

"world of open ended unilateral trust."
WELL YES that is EXACTLY what i am promoting Victor
Utopia requires it.

by Raggamuffin Fri Apr 08, 2016 9:07 am

Irn Bru wrote:Just for the record this was Didge's views on this subject a while back...

Member wrote wrote:What about the women who are forced to wear the Burqa in this country,(I know some wish to wear it and it is their choice but this is not true for all Muslim ladies) It is a sheet,it is a symbol of repression and control and it is impractical.Women in this so called civilised day and age should not be forced to wear sheets on the basis that a man may glance in their direction.

Didge wrote wrote:Really forced to wear? Again nobody should be forced to wear anything the amount of women that wear this is so small it is a something that again Muslims should teach is not part of Islam, but you are again using a small amount of Muslims to promote a view of a claim to a much bigger problem which does not tally up to your claims. What about those who wish to wear, being as your are all for women's rights, why do you not back those who chose to have the right to wear one? You go off what you call as civilized, but to some women who wear this, it has nothing to do with anything more than showing respect to their faith, their choice, even if I think myself it is not good for communication. You do not though use something so small as to promote a poor argument what you do is teach and show a more approachable to way to help bring about change, as forcing people to change, has the opposite affect

Completely the opposite to what the views he has been holding now and has been demanding answers on.

Oh well.

Good find there Bru. It seems that some people decide to take a particular stance on something just for the sake of arguing.

by Guest Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:01 am

Irn Bru wrote:Just for the record this was Didge's views on this subject a while back...

Member wrote wrote:What about the women who are forced to wear the Burqa in this country,(I know some wish to wear it and it is their choice but this is not true for all Muslim ladies) It is a sheet,it is a symbol of repression and control and it is impractical.Women in this so called civilised day and age should not be forced to wear sheets on the basis that a man may glance in their direction.

Didge wrote wrote:Really forced to wear? Again nobody should be forced to wear anything the amount of women that wear this is so small it is a something that again Muslims should teach is not part of Islam, but you are again using a small amount of Muslims to promote a view of a claim to a much bigger problem which does not tally up to your claims. What about those who wish to wear, being as your are all for women's rights, why do you not back those who chose to have the right to wear one? You go off what you call as civilized, but to some women who wear this, it has nothing to do with anything more than showing respect to their faith, their choice, even if I think myself it is not good for communication. You do not though use something so small as to promote a poor argument what you do is teach and show a more approachable to way to help bring about change, as forcing people to change, has the opposite affect

Completely the opposite to what the views he has been holding now and has been demanding answers on.

Oh well.

OMG...well done, Irn Should the Burkini be banned? - Page 8 3239900740

And those quotes - proving - yet again that the hypocrisy of a bully and the utter BS behind the motivation for hysteria driven rants just equates to nothing more than a craven desire to be an UTTER SHIT HEAD! Should the Burkini be banned? - Page 8 2728977919

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by eddie Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:15 am

"....because some one who hides their face has something to hide...."

Vic why would you assume that?

by Raggamuffin Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:25 am

I found the quote from Didge. The comments were made in May 2014, and by December 2015 he said he had changed his mind, and he has been lecturing about the evils of burkas ever since. I don't know if something happened to make him change his mind.

by Guest Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:33 am

Raggamuffin wrote:I found the quote from Didge. The comments were made in May 2014, and by December 2015 he said he had changed his mind, and he has been lecturing about the evils of burkas ever since. I don't know if something happened to make him change his mind.

What ???, some women in a Burka told him to go 'F' himself Should the Burkini be banned? - Page 8 3489511464

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And that basically sums up my regard to his opinions and trust value! Should the Burkini be banned? - Page 8 202592697

by Victorismyhero Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:33 am

eddie wrote:"....because some one who hides their face has something to hide...."

Vic why would you assume that?

because, trite though it is there is a world of truth that the face is the mirror which reflects emotions and feelings

so the only reason to hide it is guilt...

and if you do it because your primitive camel jocky beleifs demand it...tough...you will still be treated as if the above holds true...

if I cant see your face ...i dont trust you...hell for all I know there could be a bloke under there....

if you are stood with busted car at night wearing one of those things....dont expect ME to stop and offer help....

by eddie Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:34 am

Raggamuffin wrote:I found the quote from Didge. The comments were made in May 2014, and by December 2015 he said he had changed his mind, and he has been lecturing about the evils of burkas ever since. I don't know if something happened to make him change his mind.

Well to be fair, it's okay to change your mind, I've done it.

by Guest Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:37 am

OFGS, sometimes Vic you are so paranoid it's worrying. Perhaps you had better shave your beard so people can see all your face, and when I'm having a bad day and feeling rough, I'd better not pull my scarf up and my hood down because I feel vunerable?

by eddie Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:39 am

sassy wrote:OFGS, sometimes Vic you are so paranoid it's worrying. Perhaps you had better shave your beard so people can see all your face, and when I'm having a bad day and feeling rough, I'd better not pull my scarf up and my hood down because I feel vunerable?

Lol that's why last night I asked if he lived in some kind of horror film.....

by Guest Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:39 am

eddie wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:I found the quote from Didge. The comments were made in May 2014, and by December 2015 he said he had changed his mind, and he has been lecturing about the evils of burkas ever since. I don't know if something happened to make him change his mind.

Well to be fair, it's okay to change your mind, I've done it.

Perhaps he got turned down by a Muslim girl lol

by Miffs2 Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:41 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:You're fucking stuffed if you're deaf and have to lip read.

In that case, I imagine it's fine to ... drumroll please ... remove the face covering. Just like it's fine for people to not fast during Ramadan if it would damage their health; fine for people to never complete the Hajj if they're poor or disabled; fine for women to have abortions after 4 months if their lives are threatened, if they were raped or if the fetus is deformed; fine to miss one of the daily prayers if it can't be managed; etc.

You imagine? So you don't know.

by Guest Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:41 am

eddie wrote:
sassy wrote:OFGS, sometimes Vic you are so paranoid it's worrying. Perhaps you had better shave your beard so people can see all your face, and when I'm having a bad day and feeling rough, I'd better not pull my scarf up and my hood down because I feel vunerable?

Lol that's why last night I asked if he lived in some kind of horror film.....

Honestly, there are some days I feel so rough and have to go into town and would happily don something so that people can't see the state I am in! Then others, feeling good and happy to talk to anyone I meet.

by Guest Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:48 am

Lord Foul wrote:
eddie wrote:"....because some one who hides their face has something to hide...."

Vic why would you assume that?

because, trite though it is there is a world of truth that the face is the mirror which reflects emotions and feelings
so the only reason to hide it is guilt...
and if you do it because your primitive camel jocky beleifs demand it...tough...you will still be treated as if the above holds true...
if I cant see your face ...i dont trust you...hell for all I know there could be a bloke under there....
if you are stood with busted car at night wearing one of those things....dont expect ME to stop and offer help....

Isn't it odd that you feel this way?
I'm neighbor to a man that can't show any emotion --- and he's been my neighbor for 10 yrs and I find him very off-putting that in any given discussion you just can't read what he's 'FEELING' because his body language just never gives any 'TELL' messages. He'd be an excellent poker player but he's a politician and a known LIAR by many of us around here.

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by Miffs2 Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:49 am

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Lord Foul wrote:
sassy wrote:

Actually, the ones who complain around here are the ones who have always lived here and have got fed up with them. I actually like them.

Then again, we do have a lot of churches going bing bong on a Sunday and practisiing other times.

you must live in a community of batty old fossils then , with nowt better to do than find a reason to whinge

since it is a well known and verified fact that you get immune to certain noises if you live with them

like traffic in town
like folks who live close to motorways..
like folks who live close to a working farm....

Where she lives is twinned with Royston Vasey! affraid

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