Riot Police Use Tear Gas, Water Cannons Against Refugees in Hungary

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police giving back some tear gas

http://abcnews.go.com/International/riot-police-tear-gas-water-cannons-refugees-hungary/story?id=33797603

eddie wrote:How do you, or I, know who are refugees and who are migrants?
Even that story and link you posted used both words.

What difference does it make. That's the most specious part of this story. Like they had cards printed up before they started?

Eastern Europe--I'm talkin' Hungary, Serbia, Romania and Bulgaria, etc.--is still the same old gang of thugs they always were.

smelly-bandit wrote:It was only a matter of time before the truth was revealed

The refugees are only a few, this is an Isis insurgency

And Chicken-little was right. THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING.

eddie wrote:Sigh

This is actually six to one and half a dozen of the other

No one is saying there aren't real refugees, but there are some migrants leaking through too

Really?

A moment ago you were saying they were economic migrants

I could not give a shit some migrants are getting through, what matters is the refugees are helped and if that means some economic migrants get through, then so what.
Otherwise what is the need to bring up about economic migrants unless it is a means to excuse not helping the refugees Eddie. That is the only reason to bring up such a point, to deny helping the refugees.
Its the same with the ISIS argument.
They are used to instoke fear so as to deny helping people.
Its disgusting and from people sat back in the comfort of their own homes here in the UK having absolutely no comprehension what these people are going through.

Original Quill wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:It was only a matter of time before the truth was revealed

The refugees are only a few, this is an Isis insurgency

And Chicken-little was right.  THE SKY IS FALLING!  THE SKY IS FALLING.

No mate that's the warcry of the climate change cultists

Right wingers shout "the Muslims are coming" "the Muslims are coming"

smelly-bandit wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

And Chicken-little was right.  THE SKY IS FALLING!  THE SKY IS FALLING.

No mate that's the warcry of the climate change cultists

Right wingers shout "the Muslims are coming" "the Muslims are coming"

Buck buck buck.....

What about terrorist Walter??

How many terrorists are you happy to allow through so some refugees are saved??

What's the ratio? 100 refugees to 1 terrorist?? More?? Less??

How many criminals fleeing justice for legitimate crimes??

smelly-bandit wrote:What about terrorist Walter??

How many terrorists are you happy to allow through so some refugees are saved??

What's the ratio? 100 refugees to 1 terrorist?? More?? Less??

How many criminals fleeing justice for legitimate crimes??

Well shit your pants Dutchman, I place good faith in the security services being as in this country they have happened to thwart attacks. Its a simple case of weighing up the needs.
The simple fact is hundreds of thousands of people who needs are imminent far outweighs you filling your nappy out of fear.

Security services didn't stop 7/7 and didn't stop the Lee rigby murder

So Walter ,how many terrorists are you willing to allow into the UK??

What ratio of saved refugees vs terrorist??

It would appear that terrorists don't scare you,but answering a question does

smelly-bandit wrote:Security services didn't stop 7/7 and didn't stop the Lee rigby murder

So Walter ,how many terrorists are you willing to allow into the UK??

What ratio of saved refugees vs terrorist??

It would appear that terrorists don't scare you,but answering a question does

Police can be top-notch, but crime still takes place. What a surprise.

We'll always have a need for security. So-called terrorists are just another bump in the road.

In the words of Doug Adams, Don't Panic!

smelly-bandit wrote:Security services didn't stop 7/7 and didn't stop the Lee rigby murder

So Walter ,how many terrorists are you willing to allow into the UK??

What ratio of saved refugees vs terrorist??

It would appear that terrorists don't scare you,but answering a question does

Yet they have stopped may such attempts
We are not going to stop every attempt but I have to weigh up the value of life and at present the value of life and of imminent needs is the refugees.
So since Syria has erupted how many syrian refugees have committed terrorist attacks in Europe?
I am willing to put my faith in the security forces if any get through here.
Which lets face it shit your pants Dutchman we already know ISIS members have returned of which are British citizens.
So you are not going to be able to stop them returning as seen. What attacks have they carried out?
But you use the plight of refugees to shit your pants.

Original Quill wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:Security services didn't stop 7/7 and didn't stop the Lee rigby murder

So Walter ,how many terrorists are you willing to allow into the UK??

What ratio of saved refugees vs terrorist??

It would appear that terrorists don't scare you,but answering a question does

Police can be top-notch, but crime still takes place.  What a surprise.

We'll always have a need for security.  So-called terrorists are just another bump in the road.

In the words of Doug Adams, Don't Panic!

So called terrorists

Love it

Tell me quill would you advocate for the dropping of all security measures at air ports??

smelly-bandit wrote:Tell me quill would you advocate for the dropping of all security measures at air ports??

So tell me, do you drive a car?
If so why do you get into one, when there is way more a likelyhood you could be in a fatal crash than a victim of terrorism?

There is actually more chance of being kidnapped by drunken dwarven alien pirates captained by Elvis than you are to die by terrorism

Everyone knows ,just ask the office workers in the twin towers........oh wait

smelly-bandit wrote:There is actually more chance of being kidnapped by drunken dwarven alien pirates captained by Elvis than you are to die by terrorism

Everyone knows ,just ask the office workers in the twin towers........oh wait

Oh dear someone now does not understand risks again
You do realsie that you are more likely to be struck by lightning than you are to be a victim of terrorism.
So you are using risks as your argument to some ISIS getting through as your argument to deny refugees.
So I am asking why is it you take a far greater risk driving a car daily?

smelly-bandit wrote:Tell me quill would you advocate for the dropping of all security measures at air ports??

A lot of them are based upon fear. RW politicos use fear-mongering to motivate people, when they don't trust reason.

Breaking it down, there is no such thing as terrorism. Its root--terror--is an emotion in the receiver, not the person sending it. It is only in anticipation, that the sender relies upon certain tactics. But what he gains in intensity, he fails in ability. In the end, terrorism is a form of communication.

Hence, I say, as Pogo said before me: We have met the enemy, and he is US...

So can we agree that Isis are getting through??

smelly-bandit wrote:So can we agree that Isis are getting through??

I said its a risk.

So again
You do realsie that you are more likely to be struck by lightning than you are to be a victim of terrorism.
So you are using risks as your argument to some ISIS getting through as your argument to deny refugees.
So I am asking why is it you take a far greater risk driving a car daily?

smelly-bandit wrote:So can we agree that Isis are getting through??

Other than your imagination, I have seen no proof of that.

Original Quill wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:Tell me quill would you advocate for the dropping of all security measures at air ports??

A lot of them are based upon fear.  RW politicos use fear-mongering to motivate people, when they don't trust reason.

Breaking it down, there is no such thing as terrorism.  Its root--terror--is an emotion in the receiver, not the person sending it.  It is only in anticipation, that the sender relies upon certain tactics.  But what he gains in intensity, he fails in ability.  In the end, terrorism is a form of communication.

Hence, I say, as Pogo said before me: We have met the enemy, and he is US...

That simply says you don't understand what terrorism is

Terrorism is a tactic used to achieve political,ideological or religious objectives.

It is used to strike at the public in order to create a feeling of fear and the belief that the government and security services are unable unwilling or simply incapable of keeping you safe, and the only option is therefore capitulation.

It's very much the ,"do what I tell you or I kill some hostages " scenario

And you clearly have Stockholm syndrome

But it appears you are as big a coward as Walter

I asked if you advocated for the dropping of security measures at airports

Your avoidance says to me , NO , you do not, your waffling says to me that you're desperate to avoid straight talking especially since you don't support your own bollox

Original Quill wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:So can we agree that Isis are getting through??

Other than your imagination, I have seen no proof of that.

Well i imagine you rarely see proof you don't like

Good Walter, so we agree Isis are using it to infiltrate the EU

I see the Dutchman has ducked out of answering about risks even though he fears something far less of a risk as to what he does daily
Odd that.

smelly-bandit wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Other than your imagination, I have seen no proof of that.

Well i imagine you rarely see proof you don't like

Don't change the subject. Do you have any proof?

Cuchulain wrote:

eddie wrote:Sigh

This is actually six to one and half a dozen of the other

No one is saying there aren't real refugees, but there are some migrants leaking through too

Really?

A moment ago you were saying they were economic migrants

I could not give a shit some migrants are getting through, what matters is the refugees are helped and if that means some economic migrants get through, then so what.
Otherwise what is the need to bring up about economic migrants unless it is a means to excuse not helping the refugees Eddie. That is the only reason to bring up such a point, to deny helping the refugees.
Its the same with the ISIS argument.
They are used to instoke fear so as to deny helping people.
Its disgusting and from people sat back in the comfort of their own homes here in the UK having absolutely no comprehension what these people are going through.

Let's hope,you're right didge, because if any of Isis does manage to get here, you might not be feeling so gregarious then.

eddie wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

Really?

A moment ago you were saying they were economic migrants

I could not give a shit some migrants are getting through, what matters is the refugees are helped and if that means some economic migrants get through, then so what.
Otherwise what is the need to bring up about economic migrants unless it is a means to excuse not helping the refugees Eddie. That is the only reason to bring up such a point, to deny helping the refugees.
Its the same with the ISIS argument.
They are used to instoke fear so as to deny helping people.
Its disgusting and from people sat back in the comfort of their own homes here in the UK having absolutely no comprehension what these people are going through.

Let's hope,you're right didge, because if any of Isis does manage to get here, you might not be feeling so gregarious then.

Eddie, ISIS members have returned here, as they are British citizens, the intelligence service has stated this.
The point you and others miss is the refugees plight is imminent.
We have lived under a high security alert for decades and I am not going to bow down to the fear of terrorists and never will. Its time we started to place faith in each other, more so Muslims to combat this problem instead of ostrocizing them. Maybe if people started to think they actually end up pushing Muslims there way because we isoltae them, they may realise they create and increase the possibility of an attack

I don't think I ostracise Muslims actually, and I do think that they could make more noise about the terrorists like ISIS.
The world needs to hear from them more vocally.

Hope isn't good enough Eddie... we need to enforce proper restrictions and controls and checks to be sure...


At worst, the vast majority are ISIS and set on widespread terrorist attacks on us and other EU countries and/or running away from other criminal activity to try to get to EU to hide under a completely new made up name...


At best they are all simply economic migrants as they have left a safe country to try for better financial prospects...


Either way they have no business being allowed into any EU country.

eddie wrote:I don't think I ostracise Muslims actually, and I do think that they could make more noise about the terrorists like ISIS.
The world needs to hear from them more vocally.

I never said you did but many in soceity do Eddie which is a problem
Yes I agree they do need to stand up more and be vocal

I'm still waiting for someone to come up with a reasonable answer to your question:

Why don't the refugees stay in the first safe country they come to?

eddie wrote:I don't think I ostracise Muslims actually, and I do think that they could make more noise about the terrorists like ISIS.
The world needs to hear from them more vocally.

One in five Syrians think that Islamic terrorist group ISIS are a positive influence in their country. Twenty-two per cent of the population, around 4.5 million people, believe that the terrorist group is a good thing. A stunning 82 per cent said that they subscribe to the conspiracy theory belief that ISIS was created by the US and her allies.

The statistics come from a recent survey of 1,365 Syrians from all 14 governorates of the country – including those controlled by ISIS. The research was conducted between the 10th June and the 2nd July by British-based market research firm ORB International.

The terrifying revelations come as a Lebanese government minister warned, when traveling with David Cameron on his recent visit to the nation, that 1 in 50 Syrians entering Europe could be members of ISIS, The Belfast Telegraph reports.

1365 isn't many for a conclusive argument but it gives you an idea

Worrying.

gelico again wrote:

eddie wrote:I don't think I ostracise Muslims actually, and I do think that they could make more noise about the terrorists like ISIS.
The world needs to hear from them more vocally.

One in five Syrians think that Islamic terrorist group ISIS are a positive influence in their country. Twenty-two per cent of the population, around 4.5 million people, believe that the terrorist group is a good thing. A stunning 82 per cent said that they subscribe to the conspiracy theory belief that ISIS was created by the US and her allies.

The statistics come from a recent survey of 1,365 Syrians from all 14 governorates of the country – including those controlled by ISIS. The research was conducted between the 10th June and the 2nd July by British-based market research firm ORB International.

The terrifying revelations come as a Lebanese government minister warned, when traveling with David Cameron on his recent visit to the nation, that 1 in 50 Syrians entering Europe could be members of ISIS, The Belfast Telegraph reports.

1365 isn't many for a conclusive argument but it gives you an idea

Yes and was this survey taken in Syria?
Where many of the ISIS supporters are?

Where is the link?
I have read the story of the Labanese Minister.

Still claiming you are not using fear Gelico?

The disturbing result raises fears that Europe is wide open to terrorists and Islamist extremists, with thousands of Syrians flooding into the continent every day.

It follows warnings that two in every 100 people claiming to be Syrian refugees are actually ISIS fighters intent on carrying out bloody attacks against the west.

A poll carried out in the country by a British research company unmasked the alarming views of many Syrians.

It was published as eyewitnesses travelling with migrants making their way across Europe claimed that fewer than a third of them are actually genuine refugees fleeing war.

The survey, by respected pollsters ORB International, showed that 22 per cent of Syrians believe that ISIS has had a positive influence on their country.

That compares with just five per cent of people in neighbouring Iraq, where the brutal jihadi group have been waging a campaign of terror against locals.

Surprisingly, the poll also reveals that more than eight in ten people in both countries believe that ISIS is an American creation.

Reacting to the results, managing director Johnny Heald said: “This data and other qualitative insight suggest to me that some kind of concerted effort to undermine ISIL needs to gather momentum.

"The current airstrike campaign lacks majority support in both countries, while opinion in both countries prefers a political rather than military solution to the crisis.

"What also seems clear is that both Iraq and Syria can not be dealt with in isolation, that ISIL will not be defeated in Iraq without jointly solving the Syrian challenge."

The revelation comes after it was claimed that thousands of economic migrants from Africa and other parts of the Middle East are pretending to be Syrian in order to claim asylum.

Syrian refugees who have made it to Germany insist that only a third of the migrants currently making their way across Europe are their compatriots and have expressed anger that people from other nations are cashing in on their country's plight.

A top German official has also stated that "at least a quarter" of all the migrants arriving in his country are falsely claiming to have come from Syria.

ISIS has made large gains in Syria and recently blew up several priceless historic sites, including two temples at the ancient site of Palmyra.

However, they have now set their sights on Europe and see the ongoing chaos caused by the migrant crisis as a golden opportunity to infiltrate the continent's non-existent border controls.

A senior Lebanese politician has already warned David Cameron that there are thousands of ISIS fighters hiding in UN refugee camps set up to house people fleeing Syria's bloody civil war.

Education minister Elias Bou Saab told the Prime Minister that they are hoping to infiltrate Europe and carry out terrorist atrocities against its people.

As many as 400 could be destined for Britain after Mr Cameron pledged to take in 20,000 Syrian refugees from the camps.

video - rise of ISIS

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/605560/European-migrant-crisis-Syrians-ISIS-good-guys-refugees-Britain-Cameron

lol the Daily Express, quell surprise

You really are gullible Geli baby

Kind of reads different when you actually read the questions Geli baby

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34173549

Which shows these are people who are living there and want to live there

The BBC???



just glad i don't pay those wankers for licence to listen to their drivel

gelico again wrote:

The BBC???



just glad i don't pay those wankers for licence to listen to their drivel

I can show you the actual survey if you like geli Baby?

Would you like to see how it matches what the BBC said

Or would you like to wipe that egg off your face now




So this was residents, not refugees which makes sense

Doh

Bless poor little geli baby

At worst, the vast majority are ISIS and set on widespread terrorist attacks on us and other EU countries and/or running away from other criminal activity to try to get to EU to hide under a completely new made up name...


At best they are all simply economic migrants as they have left a safe country to try for better financial prospects...


Either way they have no business being allowed into any EU country.

So any more arguments you claim are not fear based Geli baby?

lol

Once an EDL drone, always an EDL drone.

i never said it was from refugees

poor didge

always claiming that peoples' opinions are fear based

you ought to deal with your own fears

i have never joined EDL, supported EDL, been on an EDL rally in my life

oh dear, wrong again

your accusations are so fear based

gelico again wrote:
i never said it was from refugees

Why are you presenting how some Syrians who live in Syria and want to coninue living there feel about ISIS, on a thread about refugees?
If not to instill fear?

Seriously changing your nappy love, the stench is over powering ha ha

gelico again wrote:

i have never joined EDL, supported EDL, been on an EDL rally in my life

oh dear, wrong again

your accusations are so fear based

You hero wosrhipped them love lol

Cuchulain wrote:

gelico again wrote:
i never said it was from refugees

Why are you presenting how some Syrians who live in Syria and want to coninue living there feel about ISIS, on a thread about refugees?
If not to instill fear?

you silly puppy - if you read back it was in response to eddie's comment about Muslims needing to denounce ISIS.

are the syrian refugees/migrants/ISIS cells mostly Muslim?? Hmmmmm maybe you need time to think on that one

Cuchulain wrote:

gelico again wrote:

i have never joined EDL, supported EDL, been on an EDL rally in my life

oh dear, wrong again

your accusations are so fear based

You hero wosrhipped them love lol

yeah, course,,,,,about as much as you hero worship anjem chowdrey and Hitler

gelico again wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


Why are you presenting how some Syrians who live in Syria and want to coninue living there feel about ISIS, on a thread about refugees?
If not to instill fear?

you silly puppy - if you read back it was in response to eddie's comment about Muslims needing to denounce ISIS.

are the syrian refugees/migrants/ISIS cells mostly Muslim??   Hmmmmm maybe you need time to think on that one

Well why would those who support them living in Syria denounce them?

Doh

Not the brightest spark are you.

I would have thought a global view by Muslims on ISIS would have been more appropiate would it not for such a questions?

Maybe you need to check your moral compass again, its clearly broken by the fear factor

gelico again wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


You hero wosrhipped them love lol

yeah, course,,,,,about as much as you hero worship anjem chowdrey and Hitler

That made me chuckle, seems I really have hit a nerve, when I stand against both their ideologies.

Original Quill wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

Well i imagine you rarely see proof you don't like

Don't change the subject.  Do you have any proof?

I don't need proof since I'm not interested in convincing you quill,this isn't about you and me

It's about peoples perception isn't it.

The possibility and the probability

Can it happen

Will it happen

Does it happen

I think you will have a harder time proving it doesn't than I will have suggesting it does

Cuchulain wrote:

gelico again wrote:

yeah, course,,,,,about as much as you hero worship anjem chowdrey and Hitler

That made me chuckle, seems I really have hit a nerve, when I stand against both their ideologies.

no you dont you love them both

I have seen you make statements supporting them