Riot Police Use Tear Gas, Water Cannons Against Refugees in Hungary

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police giving back some tear gas

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Cuchulain wrote:Oh the Hungarians are claiming they are now safe?
WTF are you on about.
Its they who matter where they feel safe.
Not the Hunagarians and neither is it you.

Well it's the Hungarians who control who comes into their country, so clearly it is up to them.

Here we go more reating the same thing over and over again in the hope people will tire.
Not going anywhere, as you have yet to understand how they feel or understand how and where they feel safe.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:Oh the Hungarians are claiming they are now safe?
WTF are you on about.
Its they who matter where they feel safe.
Not the Hunagarians and neither is it you.

Well it's the Hungarians who control who comes into their country, so clearly it is up to them.

And they are ethically and morally wrong for what they are doing even more so when they have made views on them being Muslims as to being the issue.

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Well it's the Hungarians who control who comes into their country, so clearly it is up to them.

And they are ethically and morally wrong for what they are doing even more so when they have made views on them being Muslims as to being the issue.

Well it's up to them - it's their country, and the Germans didn't give a shit about Hungary when they invited everyone in. Same with Croatia. The Hungarians said ages ago they would close the border with Serbia.

So why are refugees not safe in Serbia? What about Romania? Is that not safe?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


And they are ethically and morally wrong for what they are doing even more so when they have made views on them being Muslims as to being the issue.

Well it's up to them - it's their country, and the Germans didn't give a shit about Hungary when they invited everyone in. Same with Croatia. The Hungarians said ages ago they would close the border with Serbia.

So its okay to deny people because they are Muslims?
Really?
That stems from the worst form of bigotry.
Hungary shoukld be very careful as its reliant on the resources and wealth of many other EU nations.
This is what you failed to grasp.
Again is ethically and morally wrong, or do you agree with bigotry to deny and discrminate people based on their religion a right to free movement?

Once they have fled the immediate danger and have been accepted by a safe country then they should stay there... trying to move on to another country for purely economic reasons makes them economic migrants and they have to apply to travel there by legitimate means like everyone else has to.

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Well it's up to them - it's their country, and the Germans didn't give a shit about Hungary when they invited everyone in. Same with Croatia. The Hungarians said ages ago they would close the border with Serbia.

So its okay to deny people because they are Muslims?
Really?
That stems from the worst form of bigotry.
Hungary shoukld be very careful as its reliant on the resources and wealth of many other EU nations.
This is what you failed to grasp.
Again is ethically and morally wrong, or do you agree with bigotry to deny and discrminate people based on their religion?

Oh I think that a lot of EU countries are going to fall out with each other over this, especially the Germans.

Are the Hungarians opening the fence just for non-Muslims then? Do tell.

Wrong again, how many times Tommy have you been corrected that?
As seen Hungary does not accept them.
Another one that regurgitates the same drivel because he does not want to help them but make views that cause them as much pain and suffering as possible.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


So its okay to deny people because they are Muslims?
Really?
That stems from the worst form of bigotry.
Hungary shoukld be very careful as its reliant on the resources and wealth of many other EU nations.
This is what you failed to grasp.
Again is ethically and morally wrong, or do you agree with bigotry to deny and discrminate people based on their religion?

Oh I think that a lot of EU countries are going to fall out with each other over this, especially the Germans.

Are the Hungarians opening the fence just for non-Muslims then? Do tell.

Answer the question
Again its ethically and morally wrong, or do you agree with bigotry to deny and discrminate people based on their religion freedom of movement to reach a place of safety where they feel safe?

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Oh I think that a lot of EU countries are going to fall out with each other over this, especially the Germans.

Are the Hungarians opening the fence just for non-Muslims then? Do tell.

Answer the question
Again its ethically and morally wrong, or do you agree with bigotry to deny and discrminate people based on their religion freedom of movement to reach a place of safety where they feel safe?

Slovakia and Poland have said they don't want Muslim refugees as well. Hungary take the view that the refugees are safe in Serbia so they have no reason to go to Hungary.

Do you take the view that Serbia is not safe?

I am correct so cannot be corrected on this.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


Answer the question
Again its ethically and morally wrong, or do you agree with bigotry to deny and discrminate people based on their religion freedom of movement to reach a place of safety where they feel safe?

Slovakia and Poland have said they don't want Muslim refugees as well. Hungary take the view that the refugees are safe in Serbia so they have no reason to go to Hungary.

Do you take the view that Serbia is not safe?

This will not proceed until you answer

Answer the question
Again its ethically and morally wrong, or do you agree with bigotry to deny and discrminate people based on their religion freedom of movement to reach a place of safety where they feel safe?

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Slovakia and Poland have said they don't want Muslim refugees as well. Hungary take the view that the refugees are safe in Serbia so they have no reason to go to Hungary.

Do you take the view that Serbia is not safe?

This will not proceed until you answer

Answer the question
Again its ethically and morally wrong, or do you agree with bigotry to deny and discrminate people based on their religion freedom of movement to reach a place of safety where they feel safe?

I asked you if Serbia was safe, and you refused to answer. Answer the question or this will not proceed.

They don't qualify for freedom of movement in the EU.

Tommy Monk wrote:

They don't qualify for freedom of movement in the EU.

Of course they do they are refugees where again there is no law stating they have to stay in the first country they come to.
This why countries like Swedon and German have accepted thousands in the case of Germany nearly 800,000

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


This will not proceed until you answer

Answer the question
Again its ethically and morally wrong, or do you agree with bigotry to deny and discrminate people based on their religion freedom of movement to reach a place of safety where they feel safe?

I asked you if Serbia was safe, and you refused to answer. Answer the question or this will not proceed.

Is Serbia safe to them?
After Kosovo would you as a Muslim feel safe there?
Stories of attrocities can certainly sway a choice where not to stay/
Now I answered your question, do you have the same decency to answer mine?





Answer the question
Again its ethically and morally wrong, or do you agree with bigotry to deny and discrminate people based on their religion freedom of movement to reach a place of safety where they feel safe?

It is not about feeling safe for them... it is about trying to be opportunistic and to try to get as much as they can get...


A genuine refugee will be happy with just being given a safe refuge... this is what they already had in turkey...

They're supposed to apply for asylum in the first EU country - re the Dublin regulation.

Tommy Monk wrote:It is not about feeling safe for them... it is about trying to be opportunistic and to try to get as much as they can get...


A genuine refugee will be happy with just being given a safe refuge... this is what they already had in turkey...

Its not up to you sat in England, but about their feeling of safety
Again if they have relatives in a nation it makes perfect sense to head to that nation
To claim a geuine refugee will feel safe anywhere shows you have not a scooby doo or have placed yourself in their shoes.
Tell me why did Britain suring the war send children thousands of miles away to places like Australia and canada and South Africa?
Family connections by any chance?

Neither the 1951 Refugee Convention nor EU law requires a refugee to claim asylum in one country rather than another.

There is no rule requiring refugees to claim in the first safe country in which they arrive.

The EU does run a system – called the Dublin Regulations – which allows one EU country to require another to accept responsibility for an asylum claim where certain conditions apply.

The relevant conditions include that the person is shown to have previously entered that other EU country or made a claim there. This is supposed to share responsibility for asylum claims more equitably among EU countries and discourage people moving on from one EU country to another. But it doesn’t work.

It is clear the system greatly benefits countries like the UK and is very unfair to countries like Greece and Italy. That’s part of the reason Germany has just suspended the Dublin Regulations when dealing with people fleeing from Syria.

http://www.amnesty.org.uk/truth-about-refugees#.VfsOA1UVikq

Raggamuffin wrote:They're supposed to apply for asylum in the first EU country - re the Dublin regulation.

Which has seen does not work in practice hence why it is nulified by many nations in practice.

Again talk about trying to weasel out of a question

This will not proceed until you answer

Answer the question
Again its ethically and morally wrong, or do you agree with bigotry to deny and discrminate people based on their religion freedom of movement to reach a place of safety where they feel safe?

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I asked you if Serbia was safe, and you refused to answer. Answer the question or this will not proceed.

Is Serbia safe to them?
After Kosovo would you as a Muslim feel safe there?
Stories of attrocities can certainly sway a choice where not to stay/
Now I answered your question, do you have the same decency to answer mine?





Answer the question
Again its ethically and morally wrong, or do you agree with bigotry to deny and discrminate people based on their religion freedom of movement to reach a place of safety where they feel safe?

So what do you think would happen to them in Serbia?

I don't think it's bigotry, I think the countries in question don't want to see their culture threatened, and they don't want thousands and thousands of people rampaging through their countries on their way to Germany.

EU law states that anyone arriving in the EU and planning to claim asylum must do so in the first EU country they arrive in.

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:They're supposed to apply for asylum in the first EU country - re the Dublin regulation.

Which has seen does not work in practice hence why it is nulified by many nations in practice.

Again talk about trying to weasel out of a question

This will not proceed until you answer

Answer the question
Again its ethically and morally wrong, or do you agree with bigotry to deny and discrminate people based on their religion freedom of movement to reach a place of safety where they feel safe?

Well Germany suspended it without consulting anyone else, but other countries did not - which is their right.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


Which has seen does not work in practice hence why it is nulified by many nations in practice.

Again talk about trying to weasel out of a question

This will not proceed until you answer

Answer the question
Again its ethically and morally wrong, or do you agree with bigotry to deny and discrminate people based on their religion freedom of movement to reach a place of safety where they feel safe?

Well Germany suspended it without consulting anyone else, but other countries did not - which is their right.

This will not proceed until you answer

Answer the question
Again its ethically and morally wrong, or do you agree with bigotry to deny and discrminate people based on their religion freedom of movement to reach a place of safety where they feel safe?

Tommy Monk wrote:EU law states that anyone arriving in the EU and planning to claim asylum must do so in the first EU country they arrive in.

Eu law was as seen not taken by the fact many nations took refugees in.
So the law is seen as poor and unfair why many do not abide with it.
Opps

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Well Germany suspended it without consulting anyone else, but other countries did not - which is their right.

This will not proceed until you answer

Answer the question
Again its ethically and morally wrong, or do you agree with bigotry to deny and discrminate people based on their religion freedom of movement to reach a place of safety where they feel safe?

Already answered. Pay attention.

Change the record at some stage too - days and days of you asking the same question does become a tad tedious.

Tommy Monk wrote:It is not about feeling safe for them... it is about trying to be opportunistic and to try to get as much as they can get...


A genuine refugee will be happy with just being given a safe refuge... this is what they already had in turkey...

As a genuine refugee, I know I would be going to the richest country possible that is able to provide me with the best start in a new life. It's not wrong to want that for you and your family.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


This will not proceed until you answer

Answer the question
Again its ethically and morally wrong, or do you agree with bigotry to deny and discrminate people based on their religion freedom of movement to reach a place of safety where they feel safe?

Already answered. Pay attention.

Change the record at some stage too - days and days of you asking the same question does become a tad tedious.

No you have not, you have avoided

This will not proceed until you answer

Answer the question
Again its ethically and morally wrong, or do you agree with bigotry to deny and discrminate people based on their religion freedom of movement to reach a place of safety where they feel safe?

Will highlight the part Rags has evaded to answer:

This will not proceed until you answer

Answer the question
Again its ethically and morally wrong, or do you agree with bigotry to deny and discrminate people based on their religion freedom of movement to reach a place of safety where they feel safe?

Christie wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:It is not about feeling safe for them... it is about trying to be opportunistic and to try to get as much as they can get...


A genuine refugee will be happy with just being given a safe refuge... this is what they already had in turkey...

As a genuine refugee, I know I would be going to the richest country possible that is able to provide me with the best start in a new life. It's not wrong to want that for you and your family.

That would make them economic migrants, not genuine refugees escaping danger.

Cuchulain wrote:Will highlight the part Rags has evaded to answer:

This will not proceed until you answer

Answer the question
Again its ethically and morally wrong, or do you agree with bigotry to deny and discrminate people based on their religion freedom of movement to reach a place of safety where they feel safe?

Stop badgering me.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Christie wrote:

As a genuine refugee, I know I would be going to the richest country possible that is able to provide me with the best start in a new life. It's not wrong to want that for you and your family.

That would make them economic migrants, not genuine refugees escaping danger.

This will not proceed until you answer

Answer the question
Again its ethically and morally wrong, or do you agree with bigotry to deny and discrminate people based on their religion freedom of movement to reach a place of safety where they feel safe?

Countries have the right to make their own laws and control their own borders as they see fit.

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Already answered. Pay attention.

Change the record at some stage too - days and days of you asking the same question does become a tad tedious.

No you have not, you have avoided

This will not proceed until you answer

Answer the question
Again its ethically and morally wrong, or do you agree with bigotry to deny and discrminate people based on their religion freedom of movement to reach a place of safety where they feel safe?

What matters is what the Hungarians think. Try to think outside of the box for a change.

Christie wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:It is not about feeling safe for them... it is about trying to be opportunistic and to try to get as much as they can get...


A genuine refugee will be happy with just being given a safe refuge... this is what they already had in turkey...

As a genuine refugee, I know I would be going to the richest country possible that is able to provide me with the best start in a new life. It's not wrong to want that for you and your family.

Of course it isn't.

One wants what's best for them and their family!

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:Will highlight the part Rags has evaded to answer:

This will not proceed until you answer

Answer the question
Again its ethically and morally wrong, or do you agree with bigotry to deny and discrminate people based on their religion freedom of movement to reach a place of safety where they feel safe?

Stop badgering me.

I answerd your questions now answer mine

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Answer the question
Again its ethically and morally wrong, or do you agree with bigotry to deny and discrminate people based on their religion freedom of movement to reach a place of safety where they feel safe?

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

That would make them economic migrants, not genuine refugees escaping danger.

This will not proceed until you answer

Answer the question
Again its ethically and morally wrong, or do you agree with bigotry to deny and discrminate people based on their religion freedom of movement to reach a place of safety where they feel safe?

Stop badgering me.

Tommy Monk wrote:Countries have the right to make their own laws and control their own borders as they see fit.

Yes, they do.

Tommy Monk wrote:Countries have the right to make their own laws and control their own borders as they see fit.

Then said countries should not intervene in other countries and mind their own damn business

Raggamuffin wrote:

Christie wrote:

As a genuine refugee, I know I would be going to the richest country possible that is able to provide me with the best start in a new life. It's not wrong to want that for you and your family.

That would make them economic migrants, not genuine refugees escaping danger.

Read it again

Neither the 1951 Refugee Convention nor EU law requires a refugee to claim asylum in one country rather than another.

There is no rule requiring refugees to claim in the first safe country in which they arrive.

Tommy Monk wrote:Countries have the right to make their own laws and control their own borders as they see fit.

Is it ethically or morally right to deny people into your nation because they are Muslim?

Is that not religious discrmination?

So do people have a right to impose bigotry?

So at least two people have now admitted that this is about "refugees" wanting to go to the richest country. Isn't it supposed to be about them being in danger and "fleeing" for their lives?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


This will not proceed until you answer

Answer the question
Again its ethically and morally wrong, or do you agree with bigotry to deny and discrminate people based on their religion freedom of movement to reach a place of safety where they feel safe?

Stop badgering me.

This will not proceed until you answer

Answer the question
Again its ethically and morally wrong, or do you agree with bigotry to deny and discrminate people based on their religion freedom of movement to reach a place of safety where they feel safe?

Cuchulain wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Countries have the right to make their own laws and control their own borders as they see fit.

Is it ethically or morally right to deny people into your nation because they are Muslim?

Is that not religious discrmination?

So do people have a right to impose bigotry?

You are asking a bigot about this

Hahahahahaha!

Oh the irony!

What do you think Didhe? He will change his closed mind?

Raggamuffin wrote:So at least two people have now admitted that this is about "refugees" wanting to go to the richest country. Isn't it supposed to be about them being in danger and "fleeing" for their lives?

Have they?
News to me

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Answer the question
Again its ethically and morally wrong, or do you agree with bigotry to deny and discrminate people based on their religion freedom of movement to reach a place of safety where they feel safe?

SEXY MAMA wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Countries have the right to make their own laws and control their own borders as they see fit.

Then said countries should not intervene in other countries and mind their own damn business

Which countries? Hungary has merely said they can't come into Hungary. It's other countries which are interfering in Hungary's right to stop them.

Why is Didge spamming this thread?

Raggamuffin wrote:So at least two people have now admitted that this is about "refugees" wanting to go to the richest country. Isn't it supposed to be about them being in danger and "fleeing" for their lives?

It's both.

When you flee a country you go to a safe place first and then you move to what's best.

Everyone wants best for themselves.