UKIP Poster Campaign Attacked As RACIST

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22nd April 2014

Anybody bored of that word yet?

Ukip was plunged into a race storm yesterday after unveiling a series of posters campaigning against EU immigration.

The party has paid for billboards across the country to be emblazoned with messages such as: ‘26million people in Europe are looking for work. And whose jobs are they after?’

Another has a picture of a construction worker begging on the street, with the slogan: ‘EU policy at work. British workers are hit hard by unlimited cheap labour.’

The £1.5million campaign is funded by the Yorkshire businessman Paul Sykes, who is a former Tory donor.

All the posters call on voters to ‘Take Back Control of Our Country’ by backing Ukip in European elections on May 22.

But they were immediately condemned by rival politicians.

Mr Farage said:

"Are we going to ruffle a few feathers among the chattering classes? Yes. Are we bothered about that? Not in the slightest.

“Ukip is hugely grateful to Paul Sykes for his magnificent contribution to the great cause of restoring Britain’s ability to be a self-governing nation. The political earthquake I have spoken of is on its way.”





Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2609583/New-Ukip-posters-focus-immigration-branded-racist-political-opponents.html#ixzz2zbbO22xA

victorisnotamused wrote:

FluffyBunny wrote:

You take it correctly.

I'm Welsh.

SEREN.........busted ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: 

No, I honestly don't think so Victor, I don't see Seren as being for immigration and very left wing, and people appear to know her from other forums. She isn't the only Welsh woman in the world lol

Sassy wrote:Well Stardesk, I prefer to look at it this way.   A gang of people get together and travel all over the world, taking what they want.   The come home and use their plunder to make themselves rich and lead a nice life with everything they want, while the people they plundered from find it hard to establish themselves because they have had their wealth taken away.   A few years later, a number of the people who were plundered land on the doorstep of the people who took their goods and asked to be let in.   How dare you, say the people that did the plundering, this is all ours and you are not worthy to have any of it.

I didn't go to another country and take anything. I paid for anything I acquired whilst on holiday.   

Sassy wrote:

victorisnotamused wrote:


SEREN.........busted ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: 

No, I honestly don't think so Victor, I don't see Seren as being for immigration and very left wing, and people appear to know her from other forums.  She isn't the only Welsh woman in the world lol

Yeah ,mim not so sure it's her either, I doubt Seren would have taken the Dogs and BF route before stopping here.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Sassy wrote:Well Stardesk, I prefer to look at it this way.   A gang of people get together and travel all over the world, taking what they want.   The come home and use their plunder to make themselves rich and lead a nice life with everything they want, while the people they plundered from find it hard to establish themselves because they have had their wealth taken away.   A few years later, a number of the people who were plundered land on the doorstep of the people who took their goods and asked to be let in.   How dare you, say the people that did the plundering, this is all ours and you are not worthy to have any of it.

I didn't go to another country and take anything. I paid for anything I acquired whilst on holiday.   

I'm talking about British past and the reason we are a rich country.

Sassy wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I didn't go to another country and take anything. I paid for anything I acquired whilst on holiday.   

I'm talking about British past and the reason we are a rich country.

Speak for yourself - I'm broke.   

Sassy wrote:

victorisnotamused wrote:


SEREN.........busted ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: 

No, I honestly don't think so Victor, I don't see Seren as being for immigration and very left wing, and people appear to know her from other forums.  She isn't the only Welsh woman in the world lol

so waht you are saying is this is anti-seren????????

Raggamuffin wrote:

Sassy wrote:

I'm talking about British past and the reason we are a rich country.

Speak for yourself - I'm broke.   

So are many people, but Britain, as a country is rich.

1 Qatar 105,091.42 2011
2 Luxembourg 79,593.91 2011
3 Singapore 61,567.28 2011
4 Norway 56,663.47 2012
5 Brunei Darussalam 55,111.20 2011
6 Hong Kong 53,432.23 2011
7 United States 51,248.21 2011
8 United Arab Emirates 49,883.58 2009
9 Switzerland 46,474.95 2011
10 Australia 44,073.81 2011
11 Canada 43,593.74 2012
12 Austria 43,344.79 2012
13 Ireland 42,806.38 2011
14 Netherlands 42,493.49 2011
15 Sweden 42,037.48 2012
16 Iceland 40,401.63 2011
17 Taiwan 40,392.86 2012
18 Germany 39,993.34 2012
19 Kuwait 39,861.23 2011
20 Denmark 38,521.26 2011
21 Belgium 38,286.44 2012
22 Japan 37,525.38 2012
23 United Kingdom 37,501.70 2010
24 Finland 37,012.46 2011

The list finishes at 184

http://www.gfmag.com/component/content/article/119-economic-data/12529-the-worlds-richest-and-poorest-countries.html#axzz2zeO2aNjV

victorisnotamused wrote:

Sassy wrote:

No, I honestly don't think so Victor, I don't see Seren as being for immigration and very left wing, and people appear to know her from other forums.  She isn't the only Welsh woman in the world lol

so waht you are saying is this is anti-seren????????

No, anti Fluff, I'm sure if she knew her she wouldn't want to be compared with Seren!   

Sassy wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Speak for yourself - I'm broke.   

So are many people, but Britain, as a country is rich.

1 Qatar 105,091.42 2011
2 Luxembourg 79,593.91 2011
3 Singapore 61,567.28 2011
4 Norway 56,663.47 2012
5 Brunei Darussalam 55,111.20 2011
6 Hong Kong 53,432.23 2011
7 United States 51,248.21 2011
8 United Arab Emirates 49,883.58 2009
9 Switzerland 46,474.95 2011
10 Australia 44,073.81 2011
11 Canada 43,593.74 2012
12 Austria 43,344.79 2012
13 Ireland 42,806.38 2011
14 Netherlands 42,493.49 2011
15 Sweden 42,037.48 2012
16 Iceland 40,401.63 2011
17 Taiwan 40,392.86 2012
18 Germany 39,993.34 2012
19 Kuwait 39,861.23 2011
20 Denmark 38,521.26 2011
21 Belgium 38,286.44 2012
22 Japan 37,525.38 2012
23 United Kingdom 37,501.70 2010
24 Finland 37,012.46 2011

The list finishes at 184

http://www.gfmag.com/component/content/article/119-economic-data/12529-the-worlds-richest-and-poorest-countries.html#axzz2zeO2aNjV

Perhaps that is down to the efforts that people have made here. If others made an effort in their own countries, maybe they could become richer too. Besides, there are a lot of Europeans coming here.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Sassy wrote:

So are many people, but Britain, as a country is rich.

1 Qatar 105,091.42 2011
2 Luxembourg 79,593.91 2011
3 Singapore 61,567.28 2011
4 Norway 56,663.47 2012
5 Brunei Darussalam 55,111.20 2011
6 Hong Kong 53,432.23 2011
7 United States 51,248.21 2011
8 United Arab Emirates 49,883.58 2009
9 Switzerland 46,474.95 2011
10 Australia 44,073.81 2011
11 Canada 43,593.74 2012
12 Austria 43,344.79 2012
13 Ireland 42,806.38 2011
14 Netherlands 42,493.49 2011
15 Sweden 42,037.48 2012
16 Iceland 40,401.63 2011
17 Taiwan 40,392.86 2012
18 Germany 39,993.34 2012
19 Kuwait 39,861.23 2011
20 Denmark 38,521.26 2011
21 Belgium 38,286.44 2012
22 Japan 37,525.38 2012
23 United Kingdom 37,501.70 2010
24 Finland 37,012.46 2011

The list finishes at 184

http://www.gfmag.com/component/content/article/119-economic-data/12529-the-worlds-richest-and-poorest-countries.html#axzz2zeO2aNjV

Perhaps that is down to the efforts that people have made here. If others made an effort in their own countries, maybe they could become richer too. Besides, there are a lot of Europeans coming here.

Learn your history, our riches are built on what we took from other countries.

Sassy wrote:

victorisnotamused wrote:

so waht you are saying is this is anti-seren????????

No, anti Fluff, I'm sure if she knew her she wouldn't want to be compared with Seren!   

doh Sassy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

anti seren as in the opposite to seren sense

honestly...sometimes...........  

Sassy wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Perhaps that is down to the efforts that people have made here. If others made an effort in their own countries, maybe they could become richer too. Besides, there are a lot of Europeans coming here.

Learn your history, our riches are built on what we took from other countries.

Don't tell me to learn my history. Do you give no credit to the people of this country who built it up? I have nothing to be sorry for - I didn't go anywhere and steal anything, but you insist on bleating on about the past all the time. Think about the present for a change, and what's happening now.

victorisnotamused wrote:

Sassy wrote:

No, anti Fluff, I'm sure if she knew her she wouldn't want to be compared with Seren!   

doh Sassy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

anti seren as in the opposite to seren sense

honestly...sometimes...........  

DOH Victor! Saying the post was anti Seren is saying the post is against Seren lol. I think we have a breakdown of communication here    

Raggamuffin wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Learn your history, our riches are built on what we took from other countries.

Don't tell me to learn my history. Do you give no credit to the people of this country who built it up? I have nothing to be sorry for - I didn't go anywhere and steal anything, but you insist on bleating on about the past all the time. Think about the present for a change, and what's happening now.

Oh do get a grip, we wouldn't have the same present without what we had done in the past, and no amount of 'building up' would have succeeded without our exploitation of other countries.

Sassy wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Don't tell me to learn my history. Do you give no credit to the people of this country who built it up? I have nothing to be sorry for - I didn't go anywhere and steal anything, but you insist on bleating on about the past all the time. Think about the present for a change, and what's happening now.

Oh do get a grip, we wouldn't have the same present without what we had done in the past, and no amount of 'building up' would have succeeded without our exploitation of other countries.

Crap. If you want to give away your stuff to an immigrant, do it. I have nothing to be sorry for, and anything I have I've worked for.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Oh do get a grip, we wouldn't have the same present without what we had done in the past, and no amount of 'building up' would have succeeded without our exploitation of other countries.

Crap. If you want to give away your stuff to an immigrant, do it. I have nothing to be sorry for, and anything I have I've worked for.

Oh dear, it seems you are incapable of understanding history and the way it effects our lives now. Never mind.

victorisnotamused wrote:

FluffyBunny wrote:

You take it correctly.

I'm Welsh.

SEREN.........busted ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: 

Funnily enough you are not the first one to say that lol
baaa

Sassy wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Crap. If you want to give away your stuff to an immigrant, do it. I have nothing to be sorry for, and anything I have I've worked for.

Oh dear, it seems you are incapable of understanding history and the way it effects our lives now.   Never mind.

Oh dear, it seems you are incapable of living in the present and dealing with the real-world issues in this country. Never mind.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Oh dear, it seems you are incapable of understanding history and the way it effects our lives now.   Never mind.

Oh dear, it seems you are incapable of living in the present and dealing with the real-world issues in this country. Never mind.

Real world issues include the cause and effects of actions and how that results in countries interactions and perceptions   

Sassy wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Oh dear, it seems you are incapable of living in the present and dealing with the real-world issues in this country. Never mind.

Real world issues include the cause and effects of actions and how that results in countries interactions and perceptions   

No it doesn't, it means dealing with the issues of today instead of bleating about the past. What do you think should happen? Do you think that people from other countries should come here and steal off British people in revenge for some perceived theft from them in the past? Get real. People have chances to build things up for themselves, and if they don't take that chance, it's their own fault.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Oh do get a grip, we wouldn't have the same present without what we had done in the past, and no amount of 'building up' would have succeeded without our exploitation of other countries.

Crap. If you want to give away your stuff to an immigrant, do it. I have nothing to be sorry for, and anything I have I've worked for.

Rags , you really strike me as the type , who , say...worked in a shop and was serving a bairn who was 1p short of buying a sweet..and who you would not give  the the bairn the  sweet for being short until he come back in with the 1 pence...

..with your moany and angry looking face and most likely giving the bairn evils.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Real world issues include the cause and effects of actions and how that results in countries interactions and perceptions   

No it doesn't, it means dealing with the issues of today instead of bleating about the past. What do you think should happen? Do you think that people from other countries should come here and steal off British people in revenge for some perceived theft from them in the past? Get real. People have chances to build things up for themselves, and if they don't take that chance, it's their own fault.

That's just like saying a 3 year old starving African child has the world at their feet.


...you need a means to an end you know.

Joy Division wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Crap. If you want to give away your stuff to an immigrant, do it. I have nothing to be sorry for, and anything I have I've worked for.

Rags , you really strike me as the type , who , say...worked in a shop and was serving a bairn who was 1p short of buying a sweet..and who you would not give  the the bairn the  sweet for being short until he come back in with the 1 pence...

..with your moany and angry looking face and most likely giving the bairn evils.

Ah well, a retail sales assistant could be in trouble for not insisting on the full amount you know.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Real world issues include the cause and effects of actions and how that results in countries interactions and perceptions   

No it doesn't, it means dealing with the issues of today instead of bleating about the past. What do you think should happen? Do you think that people from other countries should come here and steal off British people in revenge for some perceived theft from them in the past? Get real. People have chances to build things up for themselves, and if they don't take that chance, it's their own fault.

  

Joy Division wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

No it doesn't, it means dealing with the issues of today instead of bleating about the past. What do you think should happen? Do you think that people from other countries should come here and steal off British people in revenge for some perceived theft from them in the past? Get real. People have chances to build things up for themselves, and if they don't take that chance, it's their own fault.

That's just like saying a 3 year old starving African child has the world at their feet.


...you need a means to an end you know.

Well where did that child come from? From parents who knew they had not much to offer a child.

Sassy wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

No it doesn't, it means dealing with the issues of today instead of bleating about the past. What do you think should happen? Do you think that people from other countries should come here and steal off British people in revenge for some perceived theft from them in the past? Get real. People have chances to build things up for themselves, and if they don't take that chance, it's their own fault.

    

You can roll your eyes all you like, but I can't be doing with extreme lefties like you. You're always looking around to find a "victim", and then looking around for someone else to blame for that person being a "victim".

Raggamuffin wrote:

Joy Division wrote:


That's just like saying a 3 year old starving African child has the world at their feet.


...you need a means to an end you know.

Well where did that child come from? From parents who knew they had not much to offer a child.

And that's how some of the ignorance on a big scale across in African countries annoys me, the poor wee bairns are born only to suffer.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Sassy wrote:

    

You can roll your eyes all you like, but I can't be doing with extreme lefties like you. You're always looking around to find a "victim", and then looking around for someone else to blame for that person being a "victim".

  

Raggamuffin wrote:

Sassy wrote:

    

You can roll your eyes all you like, but I can't be doing with extreme lefties like you. You're always looking around to find a "victim", and then looking around for someone else to blame for that person being a "victim".

...you were too busy blaming that poor wee boy who died because of the fire..

Doesn't matter he is dead and that a petrol can was left accessible, let's make the parents feel worse and blame the wee boy entirely himself.

Joy Division wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You can roll your eyes all you like, but I can't be doing with extreme lefties like you. You're always looking around to find a "victim", and then looking around for someone else to blame for that person being a "victim".

...you were too busy blaming that poor wee boy who died because of the fire..

Doesn't matter he is dead and that a petrol can was left accessible, let's make the parents feel worse and blame the wee boy entirely himself.

I didn't blame the boy at all - that's a lie.

Nems wrote:

victorisnotamused wrote:


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Funnily enough you are not the first one to say that lol
baaa

just dont mention......green wellies......

Raggamuffin wrote:

Joy Division wrote:


...you were too busy blaming that poor wee boy who died because of the fire..

Doesn't matter he is dead and that a petrol can was left accessible, let's make the parents feel worse and blame the wee boy entirely himself.

I didn't blame the boy at all - that's a lie.

You said it was no fault of the employee who left his van with the petrol in it unlocked.

'You said I suppose he will get the blame now,'and you also said wee boys should not be going in the backs  of vans, but sometimes some kids just don't understand the consequences of their actions....which adults are or should be aware of.

So some blame should definitely be shared with that bloke and or company he works for,

Joy Division wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I didn't blame the boy at all - that's a lie.

You said it was no fault of the employee who left his van with the petrol in it unlocked.

'You said I suppose he will get the blame now,'and you also said wee boys should not be going in the backs  of vans, but sometimes some kids just don't understand the consequences of their actions....which adults are or should be aware of.

So some blame should definitely be shared with that bloke and or company he works for,

I didn't blame the boy himself - you're lying about that. You should read threads properly. I bet you would like to see that employee sacked, wouldn't you?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Joy Division wrote:



You said it was no fault of the employee who left his van with the petrol in it unlocked.

'You said I suppose he will get the blame now,'and you also said wee boys should not be going in the backs  of vans, but sometimes some kids just don't understand the consequences of their actions....which adults are or should be aware of.

So some blame should definitely be shared with that bloke and or company he works for,

I didn't blame the boy himself - you're lying about that. You should read threads properly. I bet you would like to see that employee sacked, wouldn't you?

What the employee done was neglectful and not mindful of his job duties, all jobs carry responsibilities, and securing his van was one of his.

This has contributed in a child's death , I'm sure it must be on that bloke' s conscience, and that must be awful...
But rules are rules and when it comes to the unemployed and underprivileged , you are always bleating about people being responsible.

I don't know what kind of punishment, but  it can't go unpunished surely?

What kind of example will that set to others in a similar position with dangerous goods in Vans?

victorisnotamused wrote:

Nems wrote:

Funnily enough you are not the first one to say that lol
baaa

just dont mention......green wellies......

I will behave, I promise   

Joy Division wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I didn't blame the boy himself - you're lying about that. You should read threads properly. I bet you would like to see that employee sacked, wouldn't you?

What the employee done was neglectful and not mindful of his job duties, all jobs carry responsibilities, and securing his van was one of his.

This has contributed in a child's death , I'm sure it must be on that bloke' s conscience, and that must be awful...
But rules are rules and when it comes to the unemployed and underprivileged , you are always bleating about people being responsible.

I don't know what kind of punishment, but  it can't go unpunished surely?

What kind of example will that set to others in a similar position with dangerous goods in Vans?

But you think people who work in shops should break the rules and let people off a penny.

I don't think the guy should be punished. He couldn't foresee that some kids would set fire to another kid. I think you're very heartless to hope that he's punished.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Joy Division wrote:


...you were too busy blaming that poor wee boy who died because of the fire..

Doesn't matter he is dead and that a petrol can was left accessible, let's make the parents feel worse and blame the wee boy entirely himself.

I didn't blame the boy at all - that's a lie.

thats true...you blamed the other boys with him...just as bad under the circumstances  

Raggamuffin wrote:

Joy Division wrote:


What the employee done was neglectful and not mindful of his job duties, all jobs carry responsibilities, and securing his van was one of his.

This has contributed in a child's death , I'm sure it must be on that bloke' s conscience, and that must be awful...
But rules are rules and when it comes to the unemployed and underprivileged , you are always bleating about people being responsible.

I don't know what kind of punishment, but  it can't go unpunished surely?

What kind of example will that set to others in a similar position with dangerous goods in Vans?

But you think people who work in shops should break the rules and let people off a penny.

I don't think the guy should be punished. He couldn't foresee that some kids would set fire to another kid. I think you're very heartless to hope that he's punished.

..that's probably one of the most bizarre replies I've ever had, and yes, of course I would let a kid buy a sweet if they were a penny or more short and just pay it myself as would most normal people.

and Yes the council worker SHOULD get the blame.....Its callled statutory duty of care..

Health and safety LAW....

3 General duties of employers and self-employed to persons other than their employees.

(1)It shall be the duty of every employer to conduct his undertaking in such a way as to ensure, so far as is reasonably practicable, that persons not in his employment who may be affected thereby are not thereby exposed to risks to their health or safety.
(2)It shall be the duty of every self-employed person to conduct his undertaking in such a way as to ensure, so far as is reasonably practicable, that he and other persons (not being his employees) who may be affected thereby are not thereby exposed to risks to their health or safety.


and THAT..in a "public place" includes children who may well not be aware of the consequences of their actions........

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he knows petrol is dangerously flammable.....It is therefore HIS DUTY to ensure that no unauthorised person has acces to it...

It is, in law (and in common sense) reasonable to suppose that a person in charge of such a liquid should be able to forsee that theft and misuse is a possibility. It is also patent that "reasonable precautions" are easily instituted. i.e close and lock the doors.

therefor he fails the legal test of "did he act as a "reasonable person" would "
In other words, would someone, of reasonable aptitude and reasonable knowlege for his position have done differently.....

I think "the reasonable person would have"

victorisnotamused wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I didn't blame the boy at all - that's a lie.

thats true...you blamed the other boys with him...just as bad under the circumstances  

No it's not, unless you think he set fire to himself.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Joy Division wrote:


What the employee done was neglectful and not mindful of his job duties, all jobs carry responsibilities, and securing his van was one of his.

This has contributed in a child's death , I'm sure it must be on that bloke' s conscience, and that must be awful...
But rules are rules and when it comes to the unemployed and underprivileged , you are always bleating about people being responsible.

I don't know what kind of punishment, but  it can't go unpunished surely?

What kind of example will that set to others in a similar position with dangerous goods in Vans?

But you think people who work in shops should break the rules and let people off a penny.

I don't think the guy should be punished. He couldn't foresee that some kids would set fire to another kid. I think you're very heartless to hope that he's punished.

..heartless?..your the one who thinks it's wrong to let a child off of they were 1pence short of buying a sweet!

Your at the WUM for a reaction again aintcha?

And because he didn't do what he would have had training to do, and would know is exceptionally important, a little boy died in horrendous circumstances.

Joy Division wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

But you think people who work in shops should break the rules and let people off a penny.

I don't think the guy should be punished. He couldn't foresee that some kids would set fire to another kid. I think you're very heartless to hope that he's punished.

..that's probably one of the most bizarre replies I've ever had, and yes, of course I would let a kid buy a sweet if they were a penny or more short and just pay it myself as would most normal people.

What if you didn't have any money on you? Retail staff have to follow rules you know.

Raggamuffin wrote:

victorisnotamused wrote:

thats true...you blamed the other boys with him...just as bad under the circumstances  

No it's not, unless you think he set fire to himself.

then you are either simple or completely lacking in child "skills"

how do you think those other kids are right now...now the realisation of what has happened has sunk in......
the blame as I have demonstated lies elsewhere.....

victorisnotamused wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

No it's not, unless you think he set fire to himself.

then you are either simple or completely lacking in child "skills"

how do you think those other kids are right now...now the realisation of what has happened has sunk in......
the blame as I have demonstated lies elsewhere.....

They are probably completely traumatised and it's going to be with them for ever, and all because some idiot didn't do as he was trained and kept his van locked. He has to live with that knowledge as well.

victorisnotamused wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

No it's not, unless you think he set fire to himself.

then you are either simple or completely lacking in child "skills"

how do you think those other kids are right now...now the realisation of what has happened has sunk in......
the blame as I have demonstated lies elsewhere.....

So you just want someone else to feel bad instead then.

Typical - blame anyone who wasn't actually messing with the petrol and holding a naked flame.

considering what I carry now and again sassy.....what sort of out cry would you recon would ensue if someone obtained that from my unlocked vehicle and used it fataly????

that object and its brothers are in a locked safe bolted to the vehicle (which i can promise you no one on earth could get into inside 10 min...even with welding gear....

If the vehicle is interfered with the onboard security besides sounding the alarm, firstly SMS messages me
after 3 mins it then
secondly activates the onboard tracking
and thirdly activates a second tracking device which begins broadcasting its location AND a verbal, morse and text message to all and every radio ham station in range, requesting police action and WHY ......

so should said item/s ever be stolen from it...i recon I have covered my "reasonable duties"

Raggamuffin wrote:Typical - blame anyone who wasn't actually messing with the petrol and holding a naked flame.

what an idiotic response.....


did you read what I posted on what the LAW says???
as to responsibilities
and how CHILDREN cannot be expected to understand the consequences of their sometimes less than sensible actions....
(which is why the LAW places the onus of responsibility upon those ADULTS involved...and upon "those who should know better"
like the council worker)

victorisnotamused wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Typical - blame anyone who wasn't actually messing with the petrol and holding a naked flame.

what an idiotic response.....


did you read what I posted on what the LAW says???
as to responsibilities
and how CHILDREN cannot be expected to understand the consequences of their sometimes less than sensible actions....
(which is why the LAW places the onus of responsibility upon those ADULTS involved...and upon "those who should know better"
like the council worker)

Oh of course nothing is ever a child's fault - then they grow up and still think that nothing is ever their fault. People like you teach others that they can do what like with impunity.