UKIP Poster Campaign Attacked As RACIST

22nd April 2014

Anybody bored of that word yet?

Ukip was plunged into a race storm yesterday after unveiling a series of posters campaigning against EU immigration.

The party has paid for billboards across the country to be emblazoned with messages such as: ‘26million people in Europe are looking for work. And whose jobs are they after?’

Another has a picture of a construction worker begging on the street, with the slogan: ‘EU policy at work. British workers are hit hard by unlimited cheap labour.’

The £1.5million campaign is funded by the Yorkshire businessman Paul Sykes, who is a former Tory donor.

All the posters call on voters to ‘Take Back Control of Our Country’ by backing Ukip in European elections on May 22.

But they were immediately condemned by rival politicians.

Mr Farage said:

"Are we going to ruffle a few feathers among the chattering classes? Yes. Are we bothered about that? Not in the slightest.

“Ukip is hugely grateful to Paul Sykes for his magnificent contribution to the great cause of restoring Britain’s ability to be a self-governing nation. The political earthquake I have spoken of is on its way.”





Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2609583/New-Ukip-posters-focus-immigration-branded-racist-political-opponents.html#ixzz2zbbO22xA

Yes I saw the posters, very poor to say the least and like I said used to promote fear, quite pathetic really and they were inaccurate and playing on assumptions.

They may have shot themselves in the foot with these

Didge wrote:Yes I saw the posters, very poor to say the least and like I said used to promote fear, quite pathetic really and they were inaccurate and playing on assumptions.

They may have shot themselves in the foot with these

You're mistaken didge. They might have done, if a load of other politicians hadn't then come along and called them RACIST, thereby angering the electorate.

There's nothing racist about that. If people are coming here to take jobs, it stands to reason there will be less jobs here for British people. They could of course go to other European countries to work, but unfortunately, British people are not taught how to speak other languages very well.

They are racist.

UKIP are a very ignorant but potentially dangerous party with one policy,they don't have a single MP in parliament.Their mind set is one of prejudice and fear.

I don't understand why anyone takes them seriously,let alone give them media coverage. ::rfth:: 

I take it you're not English, Fluffy?

BigAndy9 wrote:

Didge wrote:Yes I saw the posters, very poor to say the least and like I said used to promote fear, quite pathetic really and they were inaccurate and playing on assumptions.

They may have shot themselves in the foot with these

You're mistaken didge.  They might have done, if a load of other politicians hadn't then come along and called them RACIST, thereby angering the electorate.

They are very close to the fringe of racism, by claiming 26 million people are out of work claiming to want to take all the jobs here, that is very much racism, and there is no evidence that this is the case either.

The fact you utterly neglect is for years many Brits did not take on minimum wage jobs and companies were left with little choice but to seek immigrants to fill job vacancies and yet these people who did not want to do these jobs are the same ones moaning now.

BigAndy9 wrote:I take it you're not English, Fluffy?

You take it correctly.

I'm Welsh.

Lets see - if the country you live in pays you £300 a month to work at a skilled job requiring a degree while another country will pay you that a week to work in a car wash or serving coffee are you going to consider going to the country paying more?

I mean it is rather difficult to present all the arguments on posters but anyone visiting a UKIP public meeting will find that their concerns are far deeper and extend well beyond the UK.

UKIP are concerned that the wage disparity that causes EU immigrants to come here is crippling their own country as the people coming tend to be the young bright and driven individuals that those countries desperately need to build themselves into the sort of country the UK already is.

UKIP is also the only party driving for world trade links - we want to respond the African nations who are petitioning the EU to open free trade with them which the EU are blocking and turning down.

It is the EU that is the inward looking protectionist organization that is trying to freeze itself from the outside world and preserve its status as things are or were. It is UKIP that wants to open trade with the rest of the world and engage with countries not of the EU.

Didge wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:


You're mistaken didge.  They might have done, if a load of other politicians hadn't then come along and called them RACIST, thereby angering the electorate.

They are very close to the fringe of racism, by claiming 26 million people are out of work claiming to want to take all the jobs here, that is very much racism, and there is no evidence that this is the case either.

The fact you utterly neglect is for years many Brits did not take on minimum wage jobs and companies were left with little choice but to seek immigrants to fill job vacancies and yet these people who did not want to do these jobs are the same ones moaning now.

If there weren't all this cheap foreign labour to take on minimum wage jobs, then the locals should be given the choice of taking them or having their benefits stopped. Sorry but that's how it used to be in the days of common sense.

Tesstacious wrote:

Didge wrote:


They are very close to the fringe of racism, by claiming 26 million people are out of work claiming to want to take all the jobs here, that is very much racism, and there is no evidence that this is the case either.

The fact you utterly neglect is for years many Brits did not take on minimum wage jobs and companies were left with little choice but to seek immigrants to fill job vacancies and yet these people who did not want to do these jobs are the same ones moaning now.

If there weren't all this cheap foreign labour to take on minimum wage jobs, then the locals should be given the choice of taking them or having their benefits stopped.  Sorry but that's how it used to be in the days of common sense.

They had the choice of taking them and didn;t that is the point you miss Tess

sphinx wrote:Lets see - if the country you live in pays you £300 a month to work at a skilled job requiring a degree while another country will pay you that a week to work in a car wash or serving coffee are you going to consider going to the country paying more?

I mean it is rather difficult to present all the arguments on posters but anyone visiting a UKIP public meeting will find that their concerns are far deeper and extend well beyond the UK.

UKIP are concerned that the wage disparity that causes EU immigrants to come here is crippling their own country as the people coming tend to be the young bright and driven individuals that those countries desperately need to build themselves into the sort of country the UK already is.  

UKIP is also the only party driving for world trade links - we want to respond the African nations who are petitioning the EU to open free trade with them which the EU are blocking and turning down.

It is the EU that is the inward looking protectionist organization that is trying to freeze itself from the outside world and preserve its status as things are or were.  It is UKIP that wants to open trade with the rest of the world and engage with countries not of the EU.

Good post. If wages were the same in all EU countries, or if the standard of living was the same, it might be less of a problem. I agree that young bright people should ideally stay where they are and try to make things better for themselves and others, but that would mean they needed initiative and a "vision" they probably don't have.

Tesstacious wrote:

Didge wrote:


They are very close to the fringe of racism, by claiming 26 million people are out of work claiming to want to take all the jobs here, that is very much racism, and there is no evidence that this is the case either.

The fact you utterly neglect is for years many Brits did not take on minimum wage jobs and companies were left with little choice but to seek immigrants to fill job vacancies and yet these people who did not want to do these jobs are the same ones moaning now.

If there weren't all this cheap foreign labour to take on minimum wage jobs, then the locals should be given the choice of taking them or having their benefits stopped.  Sorry but that's how it used to be in the days of common sense.

Yes. Do they actually stop someone's benefits if they don't apply for these jobs? I doubt it somehow.

Raggamuffin wrote:

sphinx wrote:Lets see - if the country you live in pays you £300 a month to work at a skilled job requiring a degree while another country will pay you that a week to work in a car wash or serving coffee are you going to consider going to the country paying more?

I mean it is rather difficult to present all the arguments on posters but anyone visiting a UKIP public meeting will find that their concerns are far deeper and extend well beyond the UK.

UKIP are concerned that the wage disparity that causes EU immigrants to come here is crippling their own country as the people coming tend to be the young bright and driven individuals that those countries desperately need to build themselves into the sort of country the UK already is.  

UKIP is also the only party driving for world trade links - we want to respond the African nations who are petitioning the EU to open free trade with them which the EU are blocking and turning down.

It is the EU that is the inward looking protectionist organization that is trying to freeze itself from the outside world and preserve its status as things are or were.  It is UKIP that wants to open trade with the rest of the world and engage with countries not of the EU.

Good post. If wages were the same in all EU countries, or if the standard of living was the same, it might be less of a problem. I agree that young bright people should ideally stay where they are and try to make things better for themselves and others, but that would mean they needed initiative and a "vision" they probably don't have.

I do perceive a problem between how UKIP is seen by non members and how it really is, but understand that part of that is due to the necessity of getting messages across quickly and simply.

It is a fact of life that the issues are never simple black and white problems - but that a message to attract attention has to be very short and have impact.

I think some of you are missing the most vital point: It's nothing to do with racism, but protecting our own indigenous people from unemployment, relying on benefits and food banks, long NHS waiting lists, the chance of a flat or house. There are many social issues that are being ruined by the constant influx of foreigners, whether Asian or European. It doesn't matter which, but I agree whole heartedly, it should be stopped. This used to be Great Britain, may it be so again one day.

sphinx wrote:Lets see - if the country you live in pays you £300 a month to work at a skilled job requiring a degree while another country will pay you that a week to work in a car wash or serving coffee are you going to consider going to the country paying more?

I mean it is rather difficult to present all the arguments on posters but anyone visiting a UKIP public meeting will find that their concerns are far deeper and extend well beyond the UK.

UKIP are concerned that the wage disparity that causes EU immigrants to come here is crippling their own country as the people coming tend to be the young bright and driven individuals that those countries desperately need to build themselves into the sort of country the UK already is.  

UKIP is also the only party driving for world trade links - we want to respond the African nations who are petitioning the EU to open free trade with them which the EU are blocking and turning down.

It is the EU that is the inward looking protectionist organization that is trying to freeze itself from the outside world and preserve its status as things are or were.  It is UKIP that wants to open trade with the rest of the world and engage with countries not of the EU.

That does nothing to help the problem in the first place when many companies can only afford to pay minimum wage in the first place to be competitive with other nations, otherwise they have to set up shop else where something a person like yourself with no real corporations understands this. So all you would do is drive many business out of the UK, and that would be a disaster, leaving then migrants out of work, though no doubt they would leave, but you would then have countless more Brits out of work and the economy would take a nose dive. Sorry that shows how clueless the UKIP is on understanding how competitive the market is out there. The fact is many Brits refused to take on these roles as stated, created the migration influx in the first place

stardesk wrote:I think some of you are missing the most vital point: It's nothing to do with racism, but protecting our own indigenous people from unemployment, relying on benefits and food banks, long NHS waiting lists, the chance of a flat or house. There are many social issues that are being ruined by the constant influx of foreigners, whether Asian or European. It doesn't matter which, but I agree whole heartedly, it should be stopped. This used to be Great Britain, may it be so again one day.

Protecting the ones that do not want to work?

But surely, Didge, if they don't take the jobs offered, then they don't recieve any benefits. I'm out of touch with such issues these days, perhaps you'd enlighten me about the benefit situation.

stardesk wrote:But surely, Didge, if they don't take the jobs offered, then they don't recieve any benefits. I'm out of touch with such ssues these days, perhaps you'd enlighten me about the benefit situation.

How can they take jobs from people when all can apply for them?

Think about it

Look, if there's an area where it's known that there are jobs going, and the local people on JSA are not applying for those jobs, questions should be asked, and if they can't explain why they're not applying, their benefits should be stopped. That will soon make them start applying for jobs.

But that's the problem, many who apply for jobs are not Brits, foreign labour takes away the chance of our own people finding work. In my local area the vast majority of land workers are foreign.

Got to go now, but hopefully be back this afternoon to continue this discussion. A very emotive one.

Raggamuffin wrote:Look, if there's an area where it's known that there are jobs going, and the local people on JSA are not applying for those jobs, questions should be asked, and if they can't explain why they're not applying, their benefits should be stopped. That will soon make them start applying for jobs.

That is happening where benefits are being stopped now and look funny enough there has been a rise in British people getting jobs, showing it works, though a bit late int he day. If this had been the case before, many of migrants would not be here in the first place, the point many people miss

stardesk wrote:But that's the problem, many who apply for jobs are not Brits, foreign labour takes away the chance of our own people finding work. In my local area the vast majority of land workers are foreign.

Got to go now, but hopefully be back this afternoon to continue this discussion. A very emotive one.

Is that because the local people are not applying for those jobs though?

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Look, if there's an area where it's known that there are jobs going, and the local people on JSA are not applying for those jobs, questions should be asked, and if they can't explain why they're not applying, their benefits should be stopped. That will soon make them start applying for jobs.

That is happening where benefits are being stopped now and look funny enough there has been a rise in British people getting jobs, showing it works, though a bit late int he day. If this had been the case before, many of migrants would not be here in the first place, the point many people miss

I watched a programme about this. I forget what it was called now, but it was mainly about agricultural work. The locals just didn't want to do those jobs, and even if they did, they were rubbish at it. The foreign workers were better - probably because they were used to doing that kind of work tbf. Many of the local people just stayed on JSA, but they should have been tracked down and had their benefits stopped IMO.

stardesk wrote:But that's the problem, many who apply for jobs are not Brits, foreign labour takes away the chance of our own people finding work. In my local area the vast majority of land workers are foreign.

Got to go now, but hopefully be back this afternoon to continue this discussion. A very emotive one.

Balderdash Stardesk, as all can apply for them, what you have to ask is why local people are not applying for them, sorry mate, you are excusing people for not doing so

Didge wrote:

Tesstacious wrote:

If there weren't all this cheap foreign labour to take on minimum wage jobs, then the locals should be given the choice of taking them or having their benefits stopped.  Sorry but that's how it used to be in the days of common sense.

They had the choice of taking them and didn;t that is the point you miss Tess

I didn't miss that point at all! I'm saying they should be MADE to take them, then we wouldn't need foreign labour. Something else I should mention, I've just read that most Polish workers are now going back to Poland as they're economy's doing well. I expect a lot of them have sent home loads of money to start up there, courtesy of the UK. What people don't take into account is the disparity in cost of living in the poorer countries. I've seen Eastern Eropeans sending home huge wedges of cash by Western Union in the post office when the Irish economy was doing well. Can't say I blame them, I'd do the same. But don't give them the choice, make our own people do the work.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:



That is happening where benefits are being stopped now and look funny enough there has been a rise in British people getting jobs, showing it works, though a bit late int he day. If this had been the case before, many of migrants would not be here in the first place, the point many people miss

I watched a programme about this. I forget what it was called now, but it was mainly about agricultural work. The locals just didn't want to do those jobs, and even if they did, they were rubbish at it. The foreign workers were better - probably because they were used to doing that kind of work tbf. Many of the local people just stayed on JSA, but they should have been tracked down and had their benefits stopped IMO.

Exactly are poor ethos has begun to grow in this country, where now the benefits system being stricter is stopping that

Tesstacious wrote:

Didge wrote:


They had the choice of taking them and didn;t that is the point you miss Tess

I didn't miss that point at all! I'm saying they should be MADE to take them, then we wouldn't need foreign labour. Something else I should mention, I've just read that most Polish workers are now going back to Poland as they're economy's doing well.  I expect a lot of them have sent home loads of money to start up there, courtesy of the UK. What people don't take into account is the disparity in cost of living in the poorer countries.  I've seen Eastern Eropeans sending home huge wedges of cash by Western Union in the post office when the Irish economy was doing well.  Can't say I blame them, I'd do the same.  But don't give them the choice, make our own people do the work.

You cannot force people to take a job they do not want, you have to want a person themselves to want to do that job, so again that is silly. A person left knowing they will not get any help then realises they have to work

What about care work or nursing work? A large proportion of people in those jobs seem to be foreign. Do some British people not want to do care work because it's hard or because the pay is low? What about nursing? That's paid more so why aren't more nurses British?

Didge wrote:

sphinx wrote:Lets see - if the country you live in pays you £300 a month to work at a skilled job requiring a degree while another country will pay you that a week to work in a car wash or serving coffee are you going to consider going to the country paying more?

I mean it is rather difficult to present all the arguments on posters but anyone visiting a UKIP public meeting will find that their concerns are far deeper and extend well beyond the UK.

UKIP are concerned that the wage disparity that causes EU immigrants to come here is crippling their own country as the people coming tend to be the young bright and driven individuals that those countries desperately need to build themselves into the sort of country the UK already is.  

UKIP is also the only party driving for world trade links - we want to respond the African nations who are petitioning the EU to open free trade with them which the EU are blocking and turning down.

It is the EU that is the inward looking protectionist organization that is trying to freeze itself from the outside world and preserve its status as things are or were.  It is UKIP that wants to open trade with the rest of the world and engage with countries not of the EU.

That does nothing to help the problem in the first place when many companies can only afford to pay minimum wage in the first place to be competitive with other nations, otherwise they have to set up shop else where something a person like yourself with no real corporations understands this. So all you would do is drive many business out of the UK, and that would be a disaster, leaving then migrants out of work, though no doubt they would leave, but you would then have countless more Brits out of work and the economy would take a nose dive. Sorry that shows how clueless the UKIP is on understanding how competitive the market is out there. The fact is many Brits refused to take on these roles as stated, created the migration influx in the first place

Who said anything about needing over minimum wage?

My point is that the minimum wage in this country means getting the equivalent of a months money in a week for some of the eastern european countries.

The car washes and coffee shops cannot be driven out - a coffee shop selling lattes at £3 a pop in Bulgaria is not going to get many British daily customers is it?

As for brits refusing to take minimum wage jobs that is just as much as myth as is the idea that every unemployed european is charging over here. You seem happy to propogate the myth that brits are greedy and lazy but refuse to accept the fact that wage disparity means the UK gets far more immigrants than it would if wages were equal all over the UK.

FluffyBunny wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:I take it you're not English, Fluffy?

You take it correctly.

I'm Welsh.

That would fit in with the pattern I've noticed, thank you for replying.

sphinx wrote:

Didge wrote:



That does nothing to help the problem in the first place when many companies can only afford to pay minimum wage in the first place to be competitive with other nations, otherwise they have to set up shop else where something a person like yourself with no real corporations understands this. So all you would do is drive many business out of the UK, and that would be a disaster, leaving then migrants out of work, though no doubt they would leave, but you would then have countless more Brits out of work and the economy would take a nose dive. Sorry that shows how clueless the UKIP is on understanding how competitive the market is out there. The fact is many Brits refused to take on these roles as stated, created the migration influx in the first place

Who said anything about needing over minimum wage?

My point is that the minimum wage in this country means getting the equivalent of a months money in a week for some of the eastern european countries.

The car washes and coffee shops cannot be driven out - a coffee shop selling lattes at £3 a pop in Bulgaria is not going to get many British daily customers is it?

As for brits refusing to take minimum wage jobs that is just as much as myth as is the idea that every unemployed european is charging over here.  You seem happy to propogate the myth that brits are greedy and lazy but refuse to accept the fact that wage disparity means the UK gets far more immigrants than it would if wages were equal all over the UK.

I know several British people who get minimum wage, so of course it's a myth that they won't go for those jobs. There are some people on benefits who won't though, and they're the ones who need to be chased up.

sphinx wrote:

Didge wrote:



That does nothing to help the problem in the first place when many companies can only afford to pay minimum wage in the first place to be competitive with other nations, otherwise they have to set up shop else where something a person like yourself with no real corporations understands this. So all you would do is drive many business out of the UK, and that would be a disaster, leaving then migrants out of work, though no doubt they would leave, but you would then have countless more Brits out of work and the economy would take a nose dive. Sorry that shows how clueless the UKIP is on understanding how competitive the market is out there. The fact is many Brits refused to take on these roles as stated, created the migration influx in the first place

Who said anything about needing over minimum wage?

My point is that the minimum wage in this country means getting the equivalent of a months money in a week for some of the eastern european countries.

The car washes and coffee shops cannot be driven out - a coffee shop selling lattes at £3 a pop in Bulgaria is not going to get many British daily customers is it?

As for brits refusing to take minimum wage jobs that is just as much as myth as is the idea that every unemployed european is charging over here.  You seem happy to propogate the myth that brits are greedy and lazy but refuse to accept the fact that wage disparity means the UK gets far more immigrants than it would if wages were equal all over the UK.

So it means better pay for some people from other countries, again with people who themselves are way over qualified to do the minimum paid job, something you also miss and good luck to them for wanting to better their lives. Again we have these jobs here because the companies have to be competitive and many Brits are not taking on these roles, so how does a company function when they are crying out for people to work?  It is no myth because I have had applicants come through from the Job centers and had special days for recruitment, so please spare me the myth, as I actually work in the real world, not one where you are only sat behind a PC and believe me of those that come from this way many are the most unreliable and worst workers and some only apply or work for a short while  to keep their benefits going. Sorry I suggest you get out into the real world and stop listening to propaganda shit from UKIP.
Some brits are lazy and ethos grew under Labour where people became to believe they were much better off on benefits, are you now trying to deny this? Now this is being changed and thank goodness for that

Raggamuffin wrote:What about care work or nursing work? A large proportion of people in those jobs seem to be foreign. Do some British people not want to do care work because it's hard or because the pay is low? What about nursing? That's paid more so why aren't more nurses British?

British carers generally have higher standards, a better knowledge of legal protections and are harder to push around.

My niece is a care worker - and has professional standards which mean she will not accept certain practises that the non British carers will, and that means higher costs for her employer.

It can be something as simply as pad changes - it is cheaper for an employer if incontinence pads are only checked every 4 hours and changed if wet than if they changed as soon as a patient indicates they are wet or it is noticed they are wet.

I am not saying all British care workers are wonderful and all foreign ones lax, just that overall.

Didge wrote:

sphinx wrote:

Who said anything about needing over minimum wage?

My point is that the minimum wage in this country means getting the equivalent of a months money in a week for some of the eastern european countries.

The car washes and coffee shops cannot be driven out - a coffee shop selling lattes at £3 a pop in Bulgaria is not going to get many British daily customers is it?

As for brits refusing to take minimum wage jobs that is just as much as myth as is the idea that every unemployed european is charging over here.  You seem happy to propogate the myth that brits are greedy and lazy but refuse to accept the fact that wage disparity means the UK gets far more immigrants than it would if wages were equal all over the UK.

So it means better pay for some people from other countries, again with people who themselves are way over qualified to do the minimum paid job, something you also miss and good luck to them for wanting to better their lives. Again we have these jobs here because the companies have to be competitive and many Brits are not taking on these roles, so how does a company function when they are crying out for people to work?  It is no myth because I have had applicants come through from the Job centers and had special days for recruitment, so please spare me the myth, as I actually work in the real world, not one where you are only sat behind a PC and believe me of those that come from this way many are the most unreliable and worst workers and some only apply or work for a short while  to keep their benefits going. Sorry I suggest you get out into the real world and stop listening to propaganda shit from UKIP.
Some brits are lazy and ethos grew under Labour where people became to believe they were much better off on benefits, are you now trying to deny this? Now this is being changed and thank goodness for that

See this is one of UKIPs concerns - those way over qualified people are a serious loss to their own countries and we are doing them and their countries no favours by having no barriers. We are hurting the countries they come from.

You say it is no myth the British are lazy and greedy because of your own personal experience - that is any argument I regularly get shouted down for using. I am not allowed to state that there are scroungers and those who abuse benefits because I have watched them with my own eyes so why should you be allowed to say Brits are greedy and lazy just on your own experience?

Then again I have not denied that there are some greedy lazy Brits - I am just saying they are no more common than the benefit abusing foreigners you insist are total myths - both exist, both are minorities.

sphinx wrote:

Didge wrote:


So it means better pay for some people from other countries, again with people who themselves are way over qualified to do the minimum paid job, something you also miss and good luck to them for wanting to better their lives. Again we have these jobs here because the companies have to be competitive and many Brits are not taking on these roles, so how does a company function when they are crying out for people to work?  It is no myth because I have had applicants come through from the Job centers and had special days for recruitment, so please spare me the myth, as I actually work in the real world, not one where you are only sat behind a PC and believe me of those that come from this way many are the most unreliable and worst workers and some only apply or work for a short while  to keep their benefits going. Sorry I suggest you get out into the real world and stop listening to propaganda shit from UKIP.
Some brits are lazy and ethos grew under Labour where people became to believe they were much better off on benefits, are you now trying to deny this? Now this is being changed and thank goodness for that

See this is one of UKIPs concerns - those way over qualified people are a serious loss to their own countries and we are doing them and their countries no favours by having no barriers.  We are hurting the countries they come from.
That is not the choice of UKIP and should be the concern of the individual that is a lame answer sorry

You say it is no myth the British are lazy and greedy because of your own personal experience - that is any argument I regularly get shouted down for using.  I am not allowed to state that there are scroungers and those who abuse benefits because I have watched them with my own eyes so why should you be allowed to say Brits are greedy and lazy just on your own experience?  
I said some are lazy and have seen from my own experience and from other companies I deal with, that is empirical evidence for you, not just from me but countless other companies. Not all Brits we have some great hard workers also, but an ethos of some who have grown a life up on benefits, many British people per say are hard working

Then again I have not denied that there are some greedy lazy Brits - I am just saying they are no more common than the benefit abusing foreigners you insist are total myths - both exist, both are minorities.  

But the benefit scroungers are the ones that created many migrants to come here in the first place the point you again utterly miss

well thats done it, im off the tories

im voting UKIP

smelly_bandit wrote:well thats done it, im off the tories

im voting UKIP

You were always off the Tories being BNP.

DOH 


You used to hail Nick as your saviour ha ha

BigAndy9 wrote:

FluffyBunny wrote:

You take it correctly.

I'm Welsh.

That would fit in with the pattern I've noticed, thank you for replying.

I always reply when asked a question,I was raised to be polite   

What 'pattern',am I displaying exclusively 'welsh' traits in my replies?

stardesk wrote:But that's the problem, many who apply for jobs are not Brits, foreign labour takes away the chance of our own people finding work. In my local area the vast majority of land workers are foreign.

Got to go now, but hopefully be back this afternoon to continue this discussion. A very emotive one.

'Our own people?'

Who are these 'our own' people?If foreign people have come here to live and are working and paying taxes can we not consider them one of our 'own'.They are paying taxes and contributing to the economy in a positive way.

Why are they different,we all live in Britain,don't we?

Raggamuffin wrote:

sphinx wrote:

Who said anything about needing over minimum wage?

My point is that the minimum wage in this country means getting the equivalent of a months money in a week for some of the eastern european countries.

The car washes and coffee shops cannot be driven out - a coffee shop selling lattes at £3 a pop in Bulgaria is not going to get many British daily customers is it?

As for brits refusing to take minimum wage jobs that is just as much as myth as is the idea that every unemployed european is charging over here.  You seem happy to propogate the myth that brits are greedy and lazy but refuse to accept the fact that wage disparity means the UK gets far more immigrants than it would if wages were equal all over the UK.

I know several British people who get minimum wage, so of course it's a myth that they won't go for those jobs. There are some people on benefits who won't though, and they're the ones who need to be chased up.

Why does every thread ,no matter what the OP,seemingly end up in bashing benefit claimants??
I am quite sure I could start a thread about Miley Cyrus (don't fret,I would never inflict that on you good people!)and by page 3 the thread would be about' scroungers' and benefits ... ::dunno:: 

FluffyBunny wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I know several British people who get minimum wage, so of course it's a myth that they won't go for those jobs. There are some people on benefits who won't though, and they're the ones who need to be chased up.

Why does every thread ,no matter what the OP,seemingly end up in bashing benefit claimants??
I am quite sure I could start a thread about Miley Cyrus (don't fret,I would never inflict that on you good people!)and by page 3 the thread would be about' scroungers' and benefits  ... ::dunno:: 

Because it's one of the main subjects affecting people at the moment Fluffy.

As for me asking about you not being English - the pattern I've noticed is it is mainly the English who have been affected by foreigners over the past 20 years, hence why we worry about the mass immigration and the Scottish and Welsh, who have their own parliaments remember, couldn't give a stuff. I have to say, I even get the feeling some Scottish, Welsh and some foreigners living in England know very well that it has a negative impact but are enjoying it.

BigAndy9 wrote:

FluffyBunny wrote:

Why does every thread ,no matter what the OP,seemingly end up in bashing benefit claimants??
I am quite sure I could start a thread about Miley Cyrus (don't fret,I would never inflict that on you good people!)and by page 3 the thread would be about' scroungers' and benefits  ... ::dunno:: 

Because it's one of the main subjects affecting people at the moment Fluffy.

As for me asking about you not being English - the pattern I've noticed is it is mainly the English who have been affected by foreigners over the past 20 years, hence why we worry about the mass immigration and the Scottish and Welsh, who have their own parliaments remember, couldn't give a stuff.  I have to say, I even get the feeling some Scottish, Welsh and some foreigners living in England know very well that it has a negative impact but are enjoying it.

We don't really have our own parliament here,we are pretty much ruled by Labour (who I admit are making a hash of the Welsh National Health) and yet we are still,ultimately,subject to Westminster and whoever is in power.We do not have the economic strength of the Scots,we could never go out on our the own the way they intend to.

There is no point voting Plaid Cymru here for example.I think sometimes people want to,then they get scared and vote Labour anyway,thinking Plaid is a wasted vote.

There may be some truth to your last statement r.e immigration unfortunately but that doesn't explain the constant obsession with benefits,that is a different issue altogether.

It is right wing scare mongering put about to cause division between the 'little people',the attempt to manipulate is so transparent and its sad people are falling for it.

We want control on our borders, not open door, which can only be regained by leaving the EU.

Dige, whilst we must commend your altruistic and humane attitude, I do think you're hiding behind your curtains and not looking out at what's really going on.

May I pose a question and situation to some of you? You've worked hard for years, got a nice home, your cupboards and freezer are full, you sit back comfortable and content. There's a knock at your door and when you open it you are confronted by a group of foreigners. They barge their way in, eat all your food, take advantage of your seating, including your bed. You are left virtually empty and helpless. If you call the police they'll tell you off for being a racist. But, up to a point, this is what is happening to our country.
Your home, which you want to protect, is part of the community, which is part of the parish, part of the county, part of the country, yet it is being overrun, so people like UKIP can see this, and want to do something about it.

I have no doubt I'll get some negative replies but that's how I see things.

I agree stardesk.


I have used a similar comparison before.

Hi Tommy, thanks. Surely that scenario does apply to the whole country, what's happening in the community is happening nationwide. I wish people could see and understand that. It certainly isn't being racist, just a natural impulse and instinct to protect my herd, my flock, resources, from infiltrators in my patch.

I've said it before and will do so again, underneath our so-called civilized veneer we are animals, and protecting our patch is a natural instinct, nothing to do with the modern concept of racism.

In other countries nobody seem to judge the existing population for resisting outside influences, so why are people so intolerant of the same thing here? In other countries, it's considered good to have an identity, so why not here?

I don't think anyone has anything against individual immigrants at all, but the apparent lack of jobs for British people make them a bit exasperated.

FluffyBunny wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:I take it you're not English, Fluffy?

You take it correctly.

I'm Welsh.

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Well Stardesk, I prefer to look at it this way. A gang of people get together and travel all over the world, taking what they want. The come home and use their plunder to make themselves rich and lead a nice life with everything they want, while the people they plundered from find it hard to establish themselves because they have had their wealth taken away. A few years later, a number of the people who were plundered land on the doorstep of the people who took their goods and asked to be let in. How dare you, say the people that did the plundering, this is all ours and you are not worthy to have any of it.