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[Tommy Monk]

DOWNING Street has been forced to apologise to an SAS hero after wrongly putting his name on a letter of pro-EU military chiefs.

General Sir Michael Rose’s name was among 13 former top brass who wrote to today’s Daily Telegraph to back staying in the European Union.

The embarrassing error left the highly decorated 76-year-old irate.

And he rang No10 from the other side of the world where he is on holiday, New Zealand, to complain.

General Rose tonight said he has “doubts about wisdom of using military officers for a political campaign”.

Singalling he would vote to leave rthe EU, the SAS hero added: “Sovereignty and security are intrinsically linked, and in recent years we’ve seen the EU erode our sovereignty”.

Also revealing that the letter was actually put together by No10 spin doctors rather than the ex-chiefs themselves, a spokesman for the PM said: “There was a mistake on our part


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6954002/No10-says-sorry-to-SAS-hero-after-he-was-wrongly-named-as-backing-EU-In-campaign.html

[Tommy Monk]

Here's a good article from David owen

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6954770/Lord-Owen-EU-has-tested-us-to-breaking-point-Now-its-time-to-leave.html

[Tommy Monk]

And here's an interesting question... many people claim that a Brexit would trigger another Scottish referendum so if Nicola sturgeon is so keen on another Scottish referendum, why is she in favour of uk staying in eu!?

[Raggamuffin]

And here's an interesting question... many people claim that a Brexit would trigger another Scottish referendum so if Nicola sturgeon is so keen on another Scottish referendum, why is she in favour of uk staying in eu!?

It would only trigger a potential Scottish referendum if the people in Scotland voted to stay in, and the people in the rest of the UK voted to leave.

[Tommy Monk]

New net immigration figures at record high of 323000...the only way to get control is to get out of eu!!!

[Tommy Monk]

The Great Migrant CON: MPs accused of a ‘cover-up’ as we reveal that 630,000 registered to work here in 2015




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The Great Migrant CON: MPs accused of a ‘cover-up’ as we reveal that 630,000 registered to work here in 2015

By STEVE HAWKES, Deputy Political Editor

00:01, 26 Feb 2016

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On move . . . migrants flock to Europe yesterday AP:Associated Press

MINISTERS were last night accused of a migration “cover-up” — as it was claimed true figures may be more than double official stats.

Some 257,000 EU nationals were said to have arrived last year, but it emerged 630,000 registered to work. One expert said the Government appeared to be “deliberately keeping voters in the dark” to boost its chances in the In/Out referendum.

The Government yesterday revealed 323,000 more people arrived than left in the year to September, up 31,000.


It also emerged that 257,000 EU nationals came in the year to September 2015.

But separate data showed 630,000 got a National Insurance number last year – including 170,000 Romanians.

Jonathan Portes, from UK in a Changing Europe, said: “Immigration may have been considerably understated.”


He insisted ministers were also refusing to reveal how many NI numbers were “active”, which would give a truer picture of the UK total.

He added: “It shouldn’t be acceptable for the Government to deliberately keep voters in the dark.”



http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6958099/Ministers-accused-of-a-cover-up-over-migrant-figures.html

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[Tommy Monk]

Funny... that is exactly what the British electorate thinks!!!

[Tommy Monk]

If you want to know what's what... watch this... Lord lawson tells it how it is!


http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b073n2sp/briefings-eu-referendum-lord-lawson

[Tommy Monk]

Anyone had a look at the lawson speech yet?

[Andy]

No, but I would pay to shag his daughter.

[stardesk]

Hi folks. Going by our forum poll on the 1st. page that might -hopefully- reflect the national feelings about EU. Personally I hope we get out. We can trade with who and wherever, I'm sure we'll manage to survive.

[Raggamuffin]

No, but I would pay to shag his daughter.

I doubt she'd touch you with a bargepole, and she probably makes more money in an hour that you make in a year.

[Tommy Monk]

Anyone had a look at the lawson speech yet?

[Guest]

David Lidington: Britons will be forced to stop living in France and Spain if Brexit happens

Up to ten years to negotiate new trade deals with EU after exit, Europe minister claims


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12177104/David-Lidington-Britons-forced-to-stop-living-in-France-and-Spain-if-Brexit.html



So what have the anti Euros have to say to reassure people that any of this will not happen?

Fuck all by any chance?

[Raggamuffin]

It doesn't bother me as I have no plans to live in Spain or France anyway.

[Guest]

It doesn't bother me as I have no plans to live in Spain or France anyway.

What about the half a million living in France and the million living in Spain, let alone those who may wish to move there?

Are your needs, the needs of one, more than 1.5 million?

[Raggamuffin]

People aren't going to vote to stay just so that some Brits can retire to a villa in the sun in Spain or France.

If we did leave, and the Spanish and French chucked the Brits out, we can just chuck out the Spanish and French.

[Tommy Monk]

Plain bullshit dodge!!!


The vast majority of them are wealthy retirees who don't take local jobs but actually create work for locals by being there!!!


At the very worst it will just be like before where people had 6 months visas and had to travel out of the country for couple days before returning on New visa!


But again, vast majority probably nip back to UK or to somewhere else every 6 months anyway!


I'm also sure there are plenty of countries that would welcome them with open arms if the French or Spanish started to make them feel unwelcome! !!


Just more fear mongering Dodge. .. That's all you pro eu lot have got!!!

[Guest]

People aren't going to vote to stay just so that some Brits can retire to a villa in the sun in Spain or France.

If we did leave, and the Spanish and French chucked the Brits out, we can just chuck out the Spanish and French.

No most will vote to stay as its economically better to remain within the EU

But should not these people also have a say, if they then end up losing their EU citizenship and then have to come back to the UK, where a large proportion are retired and would place further strain on the infrastructure, especially the NHS?

We do not have equivalent numbers of Spanish, so we would net gain just under a million off Spain alone

[Tommy Monk]

We were dragged into this unwanted eu situation through lies and spin and now the only thing you pro eu twats have got to try stop us getting out is more lies and spin!!!


Why don't you try to make a positive case for staying in the eu!?

Tell us how great it is for us!?


Oh... you can't... cos there isn't a positive case for the eu is there!?

[Guest]

So basically Twatti is saying tough shit to all those who have made now lives in the EU as EU citizens

What a selfish prick

Again he offers nothing to show how new deals can be made or how this nation is going to cope with the Influx of Brits returning or how it has spelled disaster for many wanting to work abroad.

So again what can the euro skeptics say to make people feel not concerned about these very troubling issues?

[Tommy Monk]

Plain bullshit dodge!!!


The vast majority of them are wealthy retirees who don't take local jobs but actually create work for locals by being there!!!


At the very worst it will just be like before where people had 6 months visas and had to travel out of the country for couple days before returning on New visa!


But again, vast majority probably nip back to UK or to somewhere else every 6 months anyway!


I'm also sure there are plenty of countries that would welcome them with open arms if the French or Spanish started to make them feel unwelcome! !!


Just more fear mongering Dodge. .. That's all you pro eu lot have got!!!

For Dodge. ..

[Guest]

Plain bullshit dodge!!!


The vast majority of them are wealthy retirees who don't take local jobs but actually create work for locals by being there!!!


At the very worst it will just be like before where people had 6 months visas and had to travel out of the country for couple days before returning on New visa!


But again, vast majority probably nip back to UK or to somewhere else every 6 months anyway!


I'm also sure there are plenty of countries that would welcome them with open arms if the French or Spanish started to make them feel unwelcome! !!


Just more fear mongering Dodge. .. That's all you pro eu lot have got!!!

For Dodge. ..

For twatti

So basically Twatti is saying tough shit to all those who have made now lives in the EU as EU citizens

What a selfish prick

Again he offers nothing to show how new deals can be made or how this nation is going to cope with the Influx of Brits returning or how it has spelled disaster for many wanting to work abroad.

So again what can the euro skeptics say to make people feel not concerned about these very troubling issues?

[Guest]

All twatti posted was hearsay bullshit as usual

I want facts you pathetic racist twat

Post up your evidence

In other words put up or shut up you pathetic runt

[Raggamuffin]

There's no evidence that Spain or France would kick out Brits either. Of course there are going to be arguments on both sides - it will get much worse as June gets closer.

[Guest]

There's no evidence that Spain or France would kick out Brits either. Of course there are going to be arguments on both sides - it will get much worse as June gets closer.

There is evidence, they will cease to be EU citizens and will have to apply for a right to stay and become either Spanish or French citizens

[Raggamuffin]

There's no evidence that Spain or France would kick out Brits either. Of course there are going to be arguments on both sides - it will get much worse as June gets closer.

There is evidence, they will cease to be EU citizens and will have to apply for a right to stay and become either Spanish or French citizens

And? So they won't be kicked out then will they? If they want to live in Spain or France, they can apply to do so.

[Guest]

There is evidence, they will cease to be EU citizens and will have to apply for a right to stay and become either Spanish or French citizens

And? So they won't be kicked out then will they? If they want to live in Spain or France, they can apply to do so.

Of course they could be kicked out

The same will apply to EU citizens here and if we kick out all these young workers and gain retired British workers, what do you think that will do to our economy?


Take your time

[Raggamuffin]

And? So they won't be kicked out then will they? If they want to live in Spain or France, they can apply to do so.

Of course they could be kicked out

The same will apply to EU citizens here and if we kick out all these young workers and gain retired British workers, what do you think that will do to our economy?


Take your time

They could be kicked out, but they might not be kicked out. There's no evidence either way.

[Guest]

Of course they could be kicked out

The same will apply to EU citizens here and if we kick out all these young workers and gain retired British workers, what do you think that will do to our economy?


Take your time

They could be kicked out, but they might not be kicked out. There's no evidence either way.

Do you have any guarantees they will not be kicked out?

This is what I asked

Do you?

[Raggamuffin]

They could be kicked out, but they might not be kicked out. There's no evidence either way.

Do you have any guarantees they will not be kicked out?

This is what I asked

Do you?

No, but I don't care very much - as I said.

[Guest]

Of course they could be kicked out

The same will apply to EU citizens here and if we kick out all these young workers and gain retired British workers, what do you think that will do to our economy?


Take your time

They could be kicked out, but they might not be kicked out. There's no evidence either way.

Do you have any guarantees they will not be kicked out?

This is what I asked

Do you?

[Guest]

Of course they could be kicked out

The same will apply to EU citizens here and if we kick out all these young workers and gain retired British workers, what do you think that will do to our economy?


Take your time

They could be kicked out, but they might not be kicked out. There's no evidence either way.

Do you have any guarantees they will not be kicked out?

This is what I asked

Do you?

[Guest]

Do you have any guarantees they will not be kicked out?

This is what I asked

Do you?

No, but I don't care very much - as I said.

So you have no guarantees and no contingency either for this by any political party then?

That does not bode well or very encouraging to people wanting to vote does it

You need to convince me and you are not doing a very good job so far

[Raggamuffin]

No, but I don't care very much - as I said.

So you have no guarantees and no contingency either for this by any political party then?

That does not bode well or very encouraging to people wanting to vote does it

You need to convince me and you are not doing a very good job so far

I don't need to convince you of anything. We're discussing reasons why we should or shouldn't vote to stay or leave, and people have different priorities. I've already said I haven't made up my mind, but people being able to retire to Spain or France or not isn't high on my list of priorities.

[Guest]

So you have no guarantees and no contingency either for this by any political party then?

That does not bode well or very encouraging to people wanting to vote does it

You need to convince me and you are not doing a very good job so far

I don't need to convince you of anything. We're discussing reasons why we should or shouldn't vote to stay or leave, and people have different priorities. I've already said I haven't made up my mind, but people being able to retire to Spain or France or not isn't high on my list of priorities.

Well the people who want to leave need to convince everyone and considering no party has any contingency for any of this, that does not bode well for leaving and into a very grey area nobody knows exactly what would happen.

[stardesk]

There's a poll on MSN home page, and it shows 27% remain in, whilst 54% say OUT!

If that's a reflection of how the nation will vote then goodbye EU.

[Raggamuffin]

It won't happen - the vote will be to stay in.

[Guest]

There are two new polls on the EU referendum out tonight – YouGov for the Times and ComRes for the Mail. YouGov have topline figures of REMAIN 37%, LEAVE 38%, DK/WNV 25%; ComRes have topline figures of REMAIN 51%, LEAVE 39%, DK 10%. ComRes was asked Friday to Monday (so started before Cameron’s deal was finalised), YouGov’s poll was asked between Sunday and Tuesday, so was after Cameron’s renegotiation, but straddled Boris Johnson’s endorsement of the Leave campaign.
As we’ve come to expect there’s a sharp difference between the online YouGov poll and the telephone ComRes poll. Online polls on the referendum have tended to show a neck-and-neck race, telephone ones have tended to show a lead for Remain. The level of support for leaving is actually pretty much the same regardless of mode – the difference all seems to be in the proportion who say stay and the proportion who say don’t know (I speculated about that a little last month, here)
Anyway, while the different modes produce different shares, just as interesting is the direction of travel. YouGov’s previous poll was conducted just after the draft renegotiation had been published and showed a significant shift towards leave, giving them a nine point lead. My suspicion then was that it could just be a short-term reflection of the extremely bad press that the deal received in the papers, and that does appear to be the case – the race has tightened right back up again. A fortnight ago YouGov found 22% thought the draft renegotiation was a good deal, 46% a bad deal. That’s now closed to 26% good, and 35% bad. After a blip from the initial bad publicity over the draft deal, the effect according to YouGov seems broadly neutral.
ComRes’s last poll found a similar trend to YouGov – it was conducted after the draft deal had been published, and found a sharp shift towards Leave, with the remain lead dropping by ten points, from eighteen to eight. Today’s poll finds that negative reaction to the draft deal fading a bit now the final deal is done, with the remain lead creeping back up to twelve points. The net effect is still negative, but not by nearly as much as the early polls suggested. ComRes’s specific question on the renegotiation provides a more positive verdict than YouGov’s – among the three-quarters of the sample asked after the deal was struck 46% say it was a success, 39% a failure.
Note that this poll also represents the first outing for some methodology changes from YouGov. Most significantly, they’ve started sampling and weighting by the attention respondents say they pay to politics, have added educational qualifications as a sampling/weighting variable and have shifted up the top age bracket from 60 and over to 65 and over. Also, at the risk of getting very technical, past vote and grouped region are now interlocked (to explain – in the past YouGov weighted everyone’s past vote to match the overall shares of the vote in Great Britain, now they are weighting respondents in London’s past vote to match the shares of the vote in London, respondents in the Midlands’ past vote to match the shares in the Midlands and so on). There isn’t actually much impact on today’s results; the old sampling and weighting would also have shown the race tightening to neck-and-neck. The main difference is that a lot of questions have a higher number of don’t knows, reflecting the higher proportion of respondents who don’t follow politics closely.
Full tables for ComRes are here, for YouGov here.

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

[Tommy Monk]

The vast majority of uk nationals in spain or france are wealthy retirees who don't take local jobs but actually create work for locals by being there!!!


At the very worst it will just be like before where people had 6 months visas and had to travel out of the country for couple days before returning on New visa!


But again, vast majority probably nip back to UK or to somewhere else every 6 months anyway!


I'm also sure there are plenty of countries that would welcome them with open arms if the French or Spanish started to make them feel unwelcome! !!


Just more fear mongering Dodge. .. That's all you pro eu lot have got!!!

[Guest]

Hearsay again

Show me guarantees this will not happen that Brits living as EU citizens will not be returned

Show me how you will balance out if EU citizens leave here based on the huge age difference

How ahd what contingencies will any party have in place to then cope with the massive job shortfall and the massive strain on the NHS?

Show me contingencies in place by the Political parties to deal with this if it happens

So put up or shut up twatti, because you are one thick ignorant twat

[Tommy Monk]

They will have uk passports so entitled to stay in France or Spain as holidaymakers for up to 6 months at a time... as before... they just nip out of the country for a few days and return with a fresh 6 months to spend!!!

[Raggamuffin]

They will have uk passports so entitled to stay in France or Spain as holidaymakers for up to 6 months at a time... as before... they just nip out of the country for a few days and return with a fresh 6 months to spend!!!

Yes, they can do that.

[Tommy Monk]

All you have is fear based waffle Dodge! !!


Why don't you put up some genuine reasons why we are better off in the eu and I will smash them out of the park, one by one!!!

[Guest]

Show me the party plans

They will lose their rights as EU citizens, they then have to reapply to stay, its that simple

So after 6 months they could all be back here

Bravo thicky

For the sixth time answer my questions

Show me guarantees this will not happen that Brits living as EU citizens will not be returned

Show me how you will balance out if EU citizens leave here based on the huge age difference

How ahd what contingencies will any party have in place to then cope with the massive job shortfall and the massive strain on the NHS?

Show me contingencies in place by the Political parties to deal with this if it happens

So put up or shut up twatti, because you are one thick ignorant twat

[Tommy Monk]

I've just told you Dodge. ..


They will have uk passports so entitled to stay in France or Spain as holidaymakers for up to 6 months at a time... as before... they just nip out of the country for a few days and return with a fresh 6 months to spend!!!



But get real you idiot!!!


Can you really see wealthy retirees who create jobs and spend fortunes in francs and Spain, seriously being made unwelcome there!?

[Guest]

I've just told you Dodge. ..


They will have uk passports so entitled to stay in France or Spain as holidaymakers for up to 6 months at a time... as before... they just nip out of the country for a few days and return with a fresh 6 months to spend!!!



But get real you idiot!!!


Can you really see wealthy retirees who create jobs and spend fortunes in francs and Spain, seriously being made unwelcome there!?

You just told me a load of hearsay

Show me the party plans

They will lose their rights as EU citizens, they then have to reapply to stay, its that simple

So after 6 months they could all be back here

Bravo thicky

For the sixth time answer my questions

Show me guarantees this will not happen that Brits living as EU citizens will not be returned

Show me how you will balance out if EU citizens leave here based on the huge age difference

How ahd what contingencies will any party have in place to then cope with the massive job shortfall and the massive strain on the NHS?

Show me contingencies in place by the Political parties to deal with this if it happens

So put up or shut up twatti, because you are one thick ignorant twat

[Tommy Monk]

Dodge... try reading the answer above... thank you... all is explained there...

[Guest]

Schengen visas are usually single-entry visas, which means that you can enter the Schengen area only once. If you wish to enter and leave the Schengen area a number of times during the validity period of your visa, you should apply for a multiple-entry Schengen visa which allows for several entries during the validity of the visa.

How long does a Schengen visa last?

A Schengen visa lasts for a maximum of three months in a six-month period. The precise length of your visa is indicated on your visa sticker under the heading Duration of Visit. In general, the duration of your visit can not be extended.

What happens if I overstay the duration of my Schengen visa?

If you overstay the validity period of your visa, you will be in an irregular situation and will be required to leave the Schengen area.


http://ec.europa.eu/immigration/do-i-need-a-visa/do-i-need-a-short-stay-visa_en





So Tommy is talking bullshit

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