Is Obama determined to start WW3?

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US President Barack Obama has accused Russia of flouting a deal on Ukraine.

Mr Obama told a news conference in Japan that Moscow had failed to halt actions by militants in the region and warned that the US could impose further sanctions against Russia.

A contingent of US troops has begun landing in Poland for military exercises amid concerns among Nato's eastern members about Russian intentions.

Moscow has said it will respond to any attack on its interests in Ukraine.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-27139190

That follows his pledge to the Japanese to support them regarding some disputed islands if China attack them, which isn't going down at all well with China!

And...

the Japanese did attack Pearl Harbor......

the rest is history and you are quite right it could have been very different which is why Aussies hate Churchill so much for being so willing to sacrifice us. We were Lucky then, like we have been now.

{knock on wood}{pray to the great serpent}{turnaround clockwise 3 times holding your left ear}
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veya_victaous wrote:And...

the Japanese did attack Pearl Harbor......

the rest is history and you are quite right it could have been very different which is why Aussies hate Churchill so much for being so willing to sacrifice us. We were Lucky then, like we have been now.

{knock on wood}{pray to the great serpent}{turnaround clockwise 3 times holding your left ear}
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lol Hence my point Veya, things could have been very different, I do read some very interesting alternate history, anyway have a good day buddy, this was interesting and doubt we will agree on this

 ::alahoo::

Didge wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:No they buy Australia, we are the vassal to China their takeover of us is just not Military, it is Economic. You also have Cultural takeovers    ALL Nations with resources are getting pressure form at least one of the 'big dog' economies. Aussies have just decided to 'roll with it' as we knew it was happening and cut ourselves the best deal possible    Ukraine Should have done the same. (I am not sure if they had the opportunity or not, I do say China so far has been a good Master and quite fair)

NATO is too weak to do anything.

Sorry disagree again on the cultural part and view point as it is people that make a nation, not what others buy into and is getting way off the point of any justification of Ukraine allowing to be steam rolled over by an aggressive neighbor in Russia. All nations will ally themselves to more powerful nations, what is new about that? It has gone on for centuries and it will no doubt go on for many more until humanity evolves.
Nato is not weak either, again it will be nations with who is in power that make Nato strong or weak and I do not see Obama as weak far from it.
Nato with its combined forces and technology would make small work of the Russians, suprise is the Key and the Russians can not match their naval or air supremacy, both key to winning any conflict

Again my view is on a justification and there is no justification of any aggressive nation, that includes when America invaded Iraq

then your nation would not exist. Most of the nations today would not exist.

Also On the people and Culture....
When the Normans Conquered England Did there cease to be Saxons and Angles? People and cultures are fluid and adapt easily nation are temporary and transitional things that have changed hands, joined hands and lost hands constantly through out history.

I believe it was the Alan    that the Cossacks took it off in the first place

And Which Nation is Standing up to Lead a NATO action? Cause considering we are still disengaging from Afghanistan and the Iraq debacle, I don't think all will be as willing to follow the USA..... And it is sitting down anyway   

Have a good day, My Dinner time  ::D:: 

veya_victaous wrote:

Didge wrote:



Sorry disagree again on the cultural part and view point as it is people that make a nation, not what others buy into and is getting way off the point of any justification of Ukraine allowing to be steam rolled over by an aggressive neighbor in Russia. All nations will ally themselves to more powerful nations, what is new about that? It has gone on for centuries and it will no doubt go on for many more until humanity evolves.
Nato is not weak either, again it will be nations with who is in power that make Nato strong or weak and I do not see Obama as weak far from it.
Nato with its combined forces and technology would make small work of the Russians, suprise is the Key and the Russians can not match their naval or air supremacy, both key to winning any conflict

Again my view is on a justification and there is no justification of any aggressive nation, that includes when America invaded Iraq

then your nation would not exist. Most of the nations today would not exist.

Also On the people and Culture....
When the Normans Conquered England Did there cease to be Saxons and Angles? People and cultures are fluid and adapt easily nation are temporary and transitional things that have changed hands, joined hands and lost hands constantly through out history.

I believe it was the Alan    that the Cossacks took it off in the first place

And Which Nation is Standing up to Lead a NATO action? Cause considering we are still disengaging from Afghanistan and the Iraq debacle, I don't think all will be as willing to follow the USA..... And it is sitting down anyway   

Not in disagreement about things being different, our existence though here in England would be far fetched to say it would be eradicated, changed maybe, but not existence. This though just shows how aggressive nations have acted and not whether they are right or not.
They will have to follow suit as they always do, when you let down an ally, you can end up leaving yourself in the wilderness.

Enjoy your dinner

 ::D::

Off topic but there are cultural takeovers.
Catholicism in Ireland is good example, they are less common granted but they still happen.

Ultimately Economic takeovers are the best for the people being taken over because the Master nation is just skimming the cream off the top, and we originally had the cream and half the milk taken by England and then Just the cream by the USA, China is actually leaving us some cream
         Happy Convict Nation      

the Saxons took it from Celts, who took it off an older people(now extinct) that built Stonehenge.   

veya_victaous wrote:Off topic but there are cultural takeovers.
Catholicism in Ireland is good example, they are less common granted but they still happen.

Ultimately Economic takeovers are the best for the people being taken over because the Master nation is just skimming the cream off the top, and we originally had the cream and half the milk taken by England and then Just the cream by the USA, China is actually leaving us some cream
         Happy Convict Nation      

Ireland is very different to how you perceive, yes in the country very much Catholic ideology if that is a fair word, but in the cities this is now very much not the case Veya, showing again it is a people that  makes a nation with views and ideas and also how as seen set in their way views also change

veya_victaous wrote:the Saxons took it from Celts, who took it off an older people(now extinct) that built Stonehenge.   

Sorry none were made extinct Veya, people intermarried and people here adopted and mixed cultures, with first the Celts, then the Romans, then the Anglo Saxons and Vikings and then the Normans, all after initial invasions

the Celt admit taking it off someone and fighting them until they never saw any of them again.

the Irish Celts (the one least invaded so with the longest most unbroken oral traditions) called them the Firbog and Dan'naan (not quite sure how to type the names) Plus Archeological and DNA records show there was a Different peoples there prior to the Celts and the Anglo-Saxons Largely moved or killed the Celts, in the East at least.

Analysis of the mitochondrial DNA of modern European populations shows that over 80% are descended in the female line from European hunter-gatherers. Less than 20% are descended in the female line from Neolithic farmers from the Middle East and from subsequent migrations. The percentage in Britain is smaller at around 11%. Initial studies suggested that this situation is different with the paternal Y-chromosome DNA, varying from 10–100% across the country, being higher in the east. This was considered to show a large degree of population replacement during the Anglo-Saxon invasion and a nearly complete masking over of whatever population movement (or lack of it) went before in these two countries.[16] However, more widespread studies have suggested that there was less of a division between Western and Eastern parts of Britain with less Anglo-Saxon migration.[17] Looking from a more Europe-wide standpoint, researchers at Stanford University have found overlapping cultural and genetic evidence that supports the theory that migration was at least partially responsible for the Neolithic Revolution in Northern Europe (including Britain).[18] The science of genetic anthropology is changing very fast and a clear picture across the whole of human occupation of Britain has yet to emerge

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_Britain

So it is debatable but I am pretty convinced from the evidence i have seen. that there were pre Celts, I mean you recently discover Pre Sapiens remains so obviously Broader 'Humans' were there Prior

Didge wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:Off topic but there are cultural takeovers.
Catholicism in Ireland is good example, they are less common granted but they still happen.

Ultimately Economic takeovers are the best for the people being taken over because the Master nation is just skimming the cream off the top, and we originally had the cream and half the milk taken by England and then Just the cream by the USA, China is actually leaving us some cream
         Happy Convict Nation      

Ireland is very different to how you perceive, yes in the country very much Catholic ideology if that is a fair word, but in the cities this is now very much not the case Veya, showing again it is a people that  makes a nation with views and ideas and also how as seen set in their way views also change

I was referring to When St Patrick got sent over   Originally they were Celtic Pagan with a rich and interesting religion then St Pat came along to make them Boring old Catholics    

veya_victaous wrote:

Didge wrote:Sorry Veya you are yet again very wrong, most of the people originally from the Crimea were displaced by Stalin, before, during and after WW2, the Cossack and Tartars for one

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_transfer_in_the_Soviet_Union


Again though, Russia has no right to because now it has more ethnic Russians, live in Crimea and Putin force a vote without all of Ukraine voting when it was part of the Ukraine, sorry that is absurd Veya.
So historically you are wrong and demographically you are wrong
Also they are arguing that Russia should be able to take Ukraine also.
Also again it is a a view point the Germans used to annex lands, how is that having a point exactly Veya, or do not the Ukrainians matter in any of this?
Blimey I think England should annex America and Australia and bring those colonials back into check eh?


  

Nup You are VERY WRONG
And the Ukraine Under the Tsars (200 years before Stalin) made the Cossack Nations Russian. the Ukraine has been shifted between Russian and Polish hands for the better part of a Millennia.  You Make It sound Like Russians are even 1 people they are not they are many Races, One of them the Cossacks Make up are large part of the Ukraine Population.


AND ENGLAND is Welcome to Try!!!
You Also Miss the Point that this is not uncommon, Tibet is now part of China,  Taiwan maybe soon too. SO where was the Magical RIGHTS that kept the Tibetans in Charge of Tibet???  Rights are what you can take or what someone will give you, and No one is in a position to tell the Ukrainians they have rights but Russia!!!
What Was the US Right to Invade ANYWHERE in the Middle East what was the Right to Put Israel back on the Map. RIGHTS!!! laughable when you are talking about International Politics and War.
 :asboredas: 
Russia Invading Ukraine is 100 time more 'Just' than the USA invading Iraq, Geographically there is Absolutely no question about the FACT.

Israel has been there for over 3000 yea

veya_victaous wrote:the Celt admit taking it off someone and fighting them until they never saw any of them again.

the Irish Celts (the one least invaded so with the longest most unbroken oral traditions) called them the Firbog and Dan'naan (not quite sure how to type the names) Plus Archeological and DNA records show there was a Different peoples there prior to the Celts and the Anglo-Saxons Largely moved or killed the Celts, in the East at least.

Analysis of the mitochondrial DNA of modern European populations shows that over 80% are descended in the female line from European hunter-gatherers. Less than 20% are descended in the female line from Neolithic farmers from the Middle East and from subsequent migrations. The percentage in Britain is smaller at around 11%. Initial studies suggested that this situation is different with the paternal Y-chromosome DNA, varying from 10–100% across the country, being higher in the east. This was considered to show a large degree of population replacement during the Anglo-Saxon invasion and a nearly complete masking over of whatever population movement (or lack of it) went before in these two countries.[16] However, more widespread studies have suggested that there was less of a division between Western and Eastern parts of Britain with less Anglo-Saxon migration.[17] Looking from a more Europe-wide standpoint, researchers at Stanford University have found overlapping cultural and genetic evidence that supports the theory that migration was at least partially responsible for the Neolithic Revolution in Northern Europe (including Britain).[18] The science of genetic anthropology is changing very fast and a clear picture across the whole of human occupation of Britain has yet to emerge

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_Britain

So it is debatable but I am pretty convinced from the evidence i have seen. that there were pre Celts, I mean you recently discover Pre Sapiens remains so obviously Broader 'Humans' were there Prior

The only debate is in regards to percentages of where people are descended from, none were made extinct


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_the_British_Isles

Didge wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:the Celt admit taking it off someone and fighting them until they never saw any of them again.

the Irish Celts (the one least invaded so with the longest most unbroken oral traditions) called them the Firbog and Dan'naan (not quite sure how to type the names) Plus Archeological and DNA records show there was a Different peoples there prior to the Celts and the Anglo-Saxons Largely moved or killed the Celts, in the East at least.

Analysis of the mitochondrial DNA of modern European populations shows that over 80% are descended in the female line from European hunter-gatherers. Less than 20% are descended in the female line from Neolithic farmers from the Middle East and from subsequent migrations. The percentage in Britain is smaller at around 11%. Initial studies suggested that this situation is different with the paternal Y-chromosome DNA, varying from 10–100% across the country, being higher in the east. This was considered to show a large degree of population replacement during the Anglo-Saxon invasion and a nearly complete masking over of whatever population movement (or lack of it) went before in these two countries.[16] However, more widespread studies have suggested that there was less of a division between Western and Eastern parts of Britain with less Anglo-Saxon migration.[17] Looking from a more Europe-wide standpoint, researchers at Stanford University have found overlapping cultural and genetic evidence that supports the theory that migration was at least partially responsible for the Neolithic Revolution in Northern Europe (including Britain).[18] The science of genetic anthropology is changing very fast and a clear picture across the whole of human occupation of Britain has yet to emerge

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_Britain

So it is debatable but I am pretty convinced from the evidence i have seen. that there were pre Celts, I mean you recently discover Pre Sapiens remains so obviously Broader 'Humans' were there Prior

The only debate is in regards to percentages of where people are descended from, none were made extinct


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_the_British_Isles

And what happened to the peoples that you are not descended from now? they are extinct.
Tasmanian Aboriginals are Extinct because there are no PURE blood Tasmanian aboriginals any more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aboriginal_Tasmanian

smelly_bandit wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Didge wrote:Sorry Veya you are yet again very wrong, most of the people originally from the Crimea were displaced by Stalin, before, during and after WW2, the Cossack and Tartars for one

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_transfer_in_the_Soviet_Union


Again though, Russia has no right to because now it has more ethnic Russians, live in Crimea and Putin force a vote without all of Ukraine voting when it was part of the Ukraine, sorry that is absurd Veya.
So historically you are wrong and demographically you are wrong
Also they are arguing that Russia should be able to take Ukraine also.
Also again it is a a view point the Germans used to annex lands, how is that having a point exactly Veya, or do not the Ukrainians matter in any of this?
Blimey I think England should annex America and Australia and bring those colonials back into check eh?


  

Nup You are VERY WRONG
And the Ukraine Under the Tsars (200 years before Stalin) made the Cossack Nations Russian. the Ukraine has been shifted between Russian and Polish hands for the better part of a Millennia.  You Make It sound Like Russians are even 1 people they are not they are many Races, One of them the Cossacks Make up are large part of the Ukraine Population.


AND ENGLAND is Welcome to Try!!!
You Also Miss the Point that this is not uncommon, Tibet is now part of China,  Taiwan maybe soon too. SO where was the Magical RIGHTS that kept the Tibetans in Charge of Tibet???  Rights are what you can take or what someone will give you, and No one is in a position to tell the Ukrainians they have rights but Russia!!!
What Was the US Right to Invade ANYWHERE in the Middle East what was the Right to Put Israel back on the Map. RIGHTS!!! laughable when you are talking about International Politics and War.
 :asboredas: 
Russia Invading Ukraine is 100 time more 'Just' than the USA invading Iraq, Geographically there is Absolutely no question about the FACT.

Israel has been there for over 3000 yea

Jesus you're dumb, Israel was the from 3200 years ago to about 1900 years ago. And then Recreated 1948.  ::fishffight::  ::fishffight::  ::fishffight:: 

veya_victaous wrote:

Didge wrote:


The only debate is in regards to percentages of where people are descended from, none were made extinct


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_the_British_Isles

And what happened to the peoples that you are not descended from now?  they are extinct.
Tasmanian Aboriginals are Extinct because there are no PURE blood Tasmanian aboriginals any more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aboriginal_Tasmanian

No idea what group of people you are talking about you claim to be extinct in the UK Veya, because those that built Stone Henge did not die out, again many are descended down at least one parent to the first settlers here, that is a fact and not talking about Tasmania, we were talking about the UK, though you may speck of different human species, but that would way before you were talking about.

Let me know, ta

Separatist dogs sing Russian Anthem

seems to be kicking off in eastern Ukraine

" Protesters Clash With Police In Ukraine
Protests turn "very, very violent" in the Ukrainian city of Donetsk, as police fight back against pro-Russian supporters.

http://news.sky.com/story/1252895/protesters-clash-with-police-in-ukraine

Going to end up as civil war unless something is done.

Western military intelligence believes that within a week the entire SE Ukraine will have fallen to the Pro-Russian separatists and that the whole area is already a lost cause.

They will then have their referendums, ask to join Russia and in come the Russians. If Kiev makes any effort in the interim to take on the separatists, in come the Russians to protect the separatists and their referendum.

The general feeling beyond bravado and rhetoric is that the Kiev govt could do absolutely zero to stop either scenario. They could not even take back a few buildings, so against the might of the Russian army, the chances are nil.

It is still believed that Spetsnaz are doing the heavy lifting, taking key buildings, handing over to the separatists, before moving on to the next target. The Kiev government recognise this and are changing their mindset to the defence of Kiev and the western zone.

Tesstacious wrote:Western military intelligence believes that within a week the entire SE Ukraine will have fallen to the Pro-Russian separatists and that the whole area is already a lost cause.

They will then have their referendums, ask to join Russia and in come the Russians. If Kiev makes any effort in the interim to take on the separatists, in come the Russians to protect the separatists and their referendum.

The general feeling beyond bravado and rhetoric is that the Kiev govt could do absolutely zero to stop either scenario. They could not even take back a few buildings, so against the might of the Russian army, the chances are nil.

It is still believed that Spetsnaz are doing the heavy lifting, taking key buildings, handing over to the separatists, before moving on to the next target.  The Kiev government recognise this and are changing their mindset to the defence of Kiev and the western zone.

Not sure how they will win a vote this time Tess, unless they cheat in eastern Ukraine?
As they represent 20-40% of the population

Just now:

bruce springnote‏@BSpringnote·30 secs
Turchinov signs decree calling up 18-25 yr olds for immediate military service. Everything he does is reactive never proactive

Sky News Newsdesk‏@SkyNewsBreak·1 min
AFP: Presidential decree brings back military conscription in #Ukraine

Just watched the news report. Violence is getting worse and worse. My OH said, what the hell is wrong with the human race, and I agree!

Sassy wrote:Just watched the news report.   Violence is getting worse and worse.     My OH said, what the hell is wrong with the human race, and I agree!

They call it democracy or do they   

gerber wrote:

Sassy wrote:Just watched the news report.   Violence is getting worse and worse.     My OH said, what the hell is wrong with the human race, and I agree!

They call it democracy or do they   

Think that is more to do with manipulated revolution than democracy Gerbs   

veya_victaous wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:


Israel has been there for over 3000 yea

Jesus you're dumb, Israel was the from 3200 years ago to about 1900 years ago. And then Recreated 1948.   ::fishffight::  ::fishffight::  ::fishffight:: 

Wrong again fella

Israel has been there since it was formed

smelly_bandit wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Jesus you're dumb, Israel was the from 3200 years ago to about 1900 years ago. And then Recreated 1948.   ::fishffight::  ::fishffight::  ::fishffight:: 

Wrong again fella

Israel has been there since it was formed

 ://?roflmao?/:  ://?roflmao?/: 

Really, are you sure.


Kingdom of Israel 1000 BC to 722 BC

Israel 1948 to present


If you mean Jews have been living there for 3000 years I agree, though they are one tribe of the 12 tribes of Israel and many Palestinians descend also back this long if not even further, so a moot point if I ever heard one

smelly_bandit wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:


Israel has been there for over 3000 yea

Jesus you're dumb, Israel was the from 3200 years ago to about 1900 years ago. And then Recreated 1948.   ::fishffight::  ::fishffight::  ::fishffight:: 

Wrong again fella

Israel has been there since it was formed

    
no you gotta be trolling no one can seriously be that Dumb

Judea province was the scene of unrest at its founding during the Census of Quirinius and several wars were fought in its history, known as the Jewish-Roman wars. The Temple was destroyed in 70 as part of the Great Jewish Revolt resulting in the institution of the Fiscus Judaicus, and after Bar Kokhba's revolt (132–135 CE), the Roman Emperor Hadrian changed the name of the province to Syria Palaestina and Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina, which certain scholars conclude was done in an attempt to remove the relationship of the Jewish people to the region.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judea_%28Roman_province%29

AFP 5:43AM BST 02 May 2014

Ukraine has launched a military assault on the flashpoint town of Slavyansk, raising the stakes in the showdown with Russia, which has promised "catastrophic consequences" if Kiev stepped up operations.

Insurgents shot down two army helicopters, killing two servicemen, including a pilot, as the army tightened its noose around the rebel-held town of 160,000 people.

Russia's foreign ministry warned Thursday that any effort by Kiev to intensify its military operation "against its own people" in the east could have "catastrophic consequences". And Russian news agencies quoted Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov as saying that while Moscow was "making efforts to de-escalate and settle the conflict", Kiev had launched a "reprisal raid". He said the raid was "essentially finishing off the last hope for the feasibility of the Geneva accord".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10802941/Ukraine-crisis-Gunfire-and-explosions-outside-rebel-held-town-of-Slavyansk.html

Russia will make an emergency statement at UN meeting. Unconfirmed reports of deaths in Odessa clashes....

I think the point of no return's been reached today.

Tesstacious wrote:AFP  5:43AM BST 02 May 2014

Ukraine has launched a military assault on the flashpoint town of Slavyansk, raising the stakes in the showdown with Russia, which has promised "catastrophic consequences" if Kiev stepped up operations.

Insurgents shot down two army helicopters, killing two servicemen, including a pilot, as the army tightened its noose around the rebel-held town of 160,000 people.

Russia's foreign ministry warned Thursday that any effort by Kiev to intensify its military operation "against its own people" in the east could have "catastrophic consequences".  And Russian news agencies quoted Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov as saying that while Moscow was "making efforts to de-escalate and settle the conflict", Kiev had launched a "reprisal raid".  He said the raid was "essentially finishing off the last hope for the feasibility of the Geneva accord".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10802941/Ukraine-crisis-Gunfire-and-explosions-outside-rebel-held-town-of-Slavyansk.html

Russia will make an emergency statement at UN meeting. Unconfirmed reports of deaths in Odessa clashes....

I think the point of no return's been reached today.

I'm saddened at the way at which the Russians have been treated in Ukraine.....Oh those yanks.

Well Didge, seems I'm not alone in my views, and they're not stupid and unfounded...

"The Obama regime, wallowing in hubris and arrogance, has recklessly escalated the Ukrainian crisis into a crisis with Russia. Whether intentionally or stupidly, Washington’s propagandistic lies are driving the crisis to war..."

http://news-beacon-ireland.info/?p=18140

Some interesting info in that article.

Tesstacious wrote:Well Didge, seems I'm not alone in my views, and they're not stupid and unfounded...

"The Obama regime, wallowing in hubris and arrogance, has recklessly escalated the Ukrainian crisis into a crisis with Russia. Whether intentionally or stupidly, Washington’s propagandistic lies are driving the crisis to war..."

http://news-beacon-ireland.info/?p=18140

Some interesting info in that article.

Wow one article, thanks Tess, sorry most know and not fooled by Putin.

Didge wrote:

Tesstacious wrote:Well Didge, seems I'm not alone in my views, and they're not stupid and unfounded...

"The Obama regime, wallowing in hubris and arrogance, has recklessly escalated the Ukrainian crisis into a crisis with Russia. Whether intentionally or stupidly, Washington’s propagandistic lies are driving the crisis to war..."

http://news-beacon-ireland.info/?p=18140

Some interesting info in that article.

Wow one article, thanks Tess, sorry most know and not fooled by Putin.

If you post a reply that I disagree with, I'd say sorry in my opinion blah blah... why do you have to be simply rude? Is it beyond you to criticize an opinion without sarcasm or put-down? You don't even argue with specific points, just the usual ... "wow, what a load of rubbish" type of remark. I bet you never even read the article.

Actually you should look at the site itself Didge; it's an Irish one with some very interesting stuff on loads of things. I stumbled upon it today and found some really good subjects.

Tesstacious wrote:

Didge wrote:



Wow one article, thanks Tess, sorry most know and not fooled by Putin.

If you post a reply that I disagree with, I'd say sorry in my opinion blah blah... why do you have to be simply rude?  Is it beyond you to criticize an opinion without sarcasm or put-down?  You don't even argue with specific points, just the usual ... "wow, what a load of rubbish" type of remark.  I bet you never even read the article.  

Actually you should look at the site itself Didge; it's an Irish one with some very interesting stuff on loads of things. I stumbled upon it today and found some really good subjects.

Oh behave like you did this morning when I was not rude at all and you lied and were rude making absurd accusations I backed Blair and Bush?
Again behave Tess, you play the victim card as worse than catman at times.
Yes it is the opinions of one person who I disagree with Tess

Didge wrote:

Tesstacious wrote:
If you post a reply that I disagree with, I'd say sorry in my opinion blah blah... why do you have to be simply rude?  Is it beyond you to criticize an opinion without sarcasm or put-down?  You don't even argue with specific points, just the usual ... "wow, what a load of rubbish" type of remark.  I bet you never even read the article.  

Actually you should look at the site itself Didge; it's an Irish one with some very interesting stuff on loads of things. I stumbled upon it today and found some really good subjects.

Oh behave like you did this morning when I was not rude at all and you lied and were rude making absurd accusations I backed Blair and Bush?
Again behave Tess, you play the victim card as worse than catman at times.
Yes it is the opinions of one person who I disagree with Tess

What bullshit. And again you still don't reply to the actual subject matter. I give up. Not worth bothering about. Tosser.

Tesstacious wrote:

Didge wrote:


Oh behave like you did this morning when I was not rude at all and you lied and were rude making absurd accusations I backed Blair and Bush?
Again behave Tess, you play the victim card as worse than catman at times.
Yes it is the opinions of one person who I disagree with Tess

What bullshit.  And again you still don't reply to the actual subject matter.  I give up.  Not worth bothering about.  Tosser.

I rest my case, the victim card again, so now you want me to debate someone not here in an article?

How odd, I would rather debate points raised by posters

Grow the fuck up

Didge wrote:

Tesstacious wrote:
What bullshit.  And again you still don't reply to the actual subject matter.  I give up.  Not worth bothering about.  Tosser.

I rest my case, the victim card again, so now you want me to debate someone not here in an article?

How odd, I would rather debate points raised by posters

Grow the fuck up

What are you talking about, you cretin? Debate someone not here? Just debate the fucking topic, not the poster. Grow the fuck up? You want to grow some manners - and lay off the booze maybe.

Tesstacious wrote:

Didge wrote:


I rest my case, the victim card again, so now you want me to debate someone not here in an article?

How odd, I would rather debate points raised by posters

Grow the fuck up

What are you talking about, you cretin? Debate someone not here?  Just debate the fucking topic, not the poster.  Grow the fuck up?  You want to grow some manners - and lay off the booze maybe.

Bang goes Tess claim to debating with yet more abuse

Exposed for poorly playing the victim card, oh dear

You have not offered anything to debate except your hero worship of Putin Tess.

So again grow the fuck up

Didge wrote:

Tesstacious wrote:
What are you talking about, you cretin? Debate someone not here?  Just debate the fucking topic, not the poster.  Grow the fuck up?  You want to grow some manners - and lay off the booze maybe.

Bang goes Tess claim to debating with yet more abuse

Exposed for poorly playing the victim card, oh dear

You have not offered anything to debate except your hero worship of Putin Tess.

So again grow the fuck up

Oh piss off you ignorant gobshite.

Tesstacious wrote:

Didge wrote:



Bang goes Tess claim to debating with yet more abuse

Exposed for poorly playing the victim card, oh dear

You have not offered anything to debate except your hero worship of Putin Tess.

So again grow the fuck up

Oh piss off you ignorant gobshite.

I rest my case again, Tess proving all she can do is insult

 

Tesstacious wrote:Well Didge, seems I'm not alone in my views, and they're not stupid and unfounded...

"The Obama regime, wallowing in hubris and arrogance, has recklessly escalated the Ukrainian crisis into a crisis with Russia. Whether intentionally or stupidly, Washington’s propagandistic lies are driving the crisis to war..."

http://news-beacon-ireland.info/?p=18140

Some interesting info in that article.

I'm sorry Tess, but I think that article is utter rubbish.   Putin has put troops into Ukraine pretending to be 'pro-Russian supporters', and they have caused mayhem and death and the Ukrainians who wish to stay with the West are being terrorised.   Putin is hated by many Russians and many of them believe that the vote that gave him power again was fixed.   He's a madman, wanting to take back the USSR, and he won't stop at the Ukraine.   How that is Obama's fault I have no idea.

Sassy wrote:

Tesstacious wrote:Well Didge, seems I'm not alone in my views, and they're not stupid and unfounded...

"The Obama regime, wallowing in hubris and arrogance, has recklessly escalated the Ukrainian crisis into a crisis with Russia. Whether intentionally or stupidly, Washington’s propagandistic lies are driving the crisis to war..."

http://news-beacon-ireland.info/?p=18140

Some interesting info in that article.

I'm sorry Tess, but I think that article is utter rubbish.   Putin has put troops into Ukraine pretending to be 'pro-Russian supporters', and they have caused mayhem and death and the Ukrainians who wish to stay with the West are being terrorised.   Putin is hated by many Russians and many of them believe that the vote that gave him power again was fixed.   He's a madman, wanting to take back the USSR, and he won't stop at the Ukraine.   How that is Obama's fault I have no idea.

Then we'll agree to disagree Sassy. But thank you for posting your opinion on the article, not just insulting me.

(Didge on ignore from now on.)