Is Obama determined to start WW3?

by Guest Thu Apr 24, 2014 10:37 am

First topic message reminder :

44 minutes ago

US President Barack Obama has accused Russia of flouting a deal on Ukraine.

Mr Obama told a news conference in Japan that Moscow had failed to halt actions by militants in the region and warned that the US could impose further sanctions against Russia.

A contingent of US troops has begun landing in Poland for military exercises amid concerns among Nato's eastern members about Russian intentions.

Moscow has said it will respond to any attack on its interests in Ukraine.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-27139190

That follows his pledge to the Japanese to support them regarding some disputed islands if China attack them, which isn't going down at all well with China!

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:00 am

Didge wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:

comes shipped in containers is it???

No in a pipeline,t he same one we have used before to export ourselves dummy

DOH

We Get gas from the middle east also by ships, bet you are clueless to that too Dummy, for fuck sake do some research and stop wasting my time with your ignorance

Thanks

thats right didge it comes via a pipeline

do you know what a pipeline is??

its the thing that doesn't exists between the US and the EU

so we arrive back at square one

how is Americas gas going to GET to the EU??

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:01 am

smelly_bandit wrote:
Didge wrote:

No in a pipeline,t he same one we have used before to export ourselves dummy

DOH

We Get gas from the middle east also by ships, bet you are clueless to that too Dummy, for fuck sake do some research and stop wasting my time with your ignorance

Thanks

thats right didge it comes via a pipeline

do you know what a pipeline is??

its the thing that doesn't exists between the US and the EU

so we arrive back at square one

how is Americas gas going to GET to the EU??

Yes but the pipeline exists where we get most of our gas from Norway

DOH

What a dummy

Try reading the link you utter ignorameous

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:04 am

Didge wrote:Moreover, a boom in sales of US shale gas means longstanding gas exporters such as Russia now have to fight for their share of the market. Europe is increasingly installing specialist terminals that will allow gas to be imported from countries such as Qatar in the form of liquefied natural gas – while Norway's Statoil sold more gas to European countries in 2012 than Gazprom did. "Since the Russian supply cuts of 2006 and 2009, the tables have totally turned," Anders åslund, an energy advisor to both the Russian and Ukrainian governments, told the Washington Post.
Gazprom has no wish to see sales to Europe disrupted. At its annual meeting with investors in London on Monday, company officials were optimistic about its prospects despite a 13% fall in its share price triggered by recent events in Ukraine. Indeed, they predicted Russia's share of Europe's total gas supply would actually increase in future as overall consumption – and Britain and Norway's gas production – declines.
Europe accounts for around a third of Gazprom's total gas sales, and around half of Russia's total budget revenue comes from oil and gas. Moscow needs that source of revenue, and whatever Vladimir Putin's geo-political ambitions, most energy analysts seem to agree he will think twice about jeopardising it. Short of an actual war, the consensus appears to be, Europe's gas supplies are unlikely to be seriously threatened.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/03/europes-gas-supply-ukraine-crisis-russsia-pipelinesMoreover,

so the situation is as follows

if Russia cuts the gas

europe will have to rely entirely on its own stockpiles and then drain noways until these specialist terminals have been installed and gas imported from America and qatar

that would be an interesting race to the bottom wouldn't it??

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:08 am

Didge wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:

thats right didge it comes via a pipeline

do you know what a pipeline is??

its the thing that doesn't exists between the US and the EU

so we arrive back at square one

how is Americas gas going to GET to the EU??

Yes but the pipeline exists where we get most of our gas from Norway

DOH

What a dummy

Try reading the link you utter ignorameous

more deflection because you've realized you fucked up again

you said it doesn't matter if Russia cuts us off because America will step into the gap and save the day

but now you realize that America cant help us because there isn't a pipeline between the US and the EU

so halfwit i will ask again

how is Americas gas going to GET to the EU??

::smthg::

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:09 am

smelly_bandit wrote:
Didge wrote:Moreover, a boom in sales of US shale gas means longstanding gas exporters such as Russia now have to fight for their share of the market. Europe is increasingly installing specialist terminals that will allow gas to be imported from countries such as Qatar in the form of liquefied natural gas – while Norway's Statoil sold more gas to European countries in 2012 than Gazprom did. "Since the Russian supply cuts of 2006 and 2009, the tables have totally turned," Anders åslund, an energy advisor to both the Russian and Ukrainian governments, told the Washington Post.
Gazprom has no wish to see sales to Europe disrupted. At its annual meeting with investors in London on Monday, company officials were optimistic about its prospects despite a 13% fall in its share price triggered by recent events in Ukraine. Indeed, they predicted Russia's share of Europe's total gas supply would actually increase in future as overall consumption – and Britain and Norway's gas production – declines.
Europe accounts for around a third of Gazprom's total gas sales, and around half of Russia's total budget revenue comes from oil and gas. Moscow needs that source of revenue, and whatever Vladimir Putin's geo-political ambitions, most energy analysts seem to agree he will think twice about jeopardising it. Short of an actual war, the consensus appears to be, Europe's gas supplies are unlikely to be seriously threatened.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/03/europes-gas-supply-ukraine-crisis-russsia-pipelinesMoreover,

so the situation is as follows

if Russia cuts the gas

europe will have to rely entirely on its own stockpiles and then drain noways until these specialist terminals have been installed and gas imported from America and qatar

that would be an interesting race to the bottom wouldn't it??

Will they and Russia loses half its revenue, again neglecting contigency plans, where again it has other sources of supply and can increase these sources of supply, something again you neglect.

DOH

Anyway as the EU is collectively even bigger than the US as an armed force, it would not take long to topple that nutter Putin, or a coup would happen because of the vast money lost over his stupidity, so on all counts, you have not a clue what you are talking about, Norway supplies most of the Gas for the EU

DOH

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:22 am

oh my god you're haven't just suggested collective EU military action have you??

::D::

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:30 am

smelly_bandit wrote:oh my god you're haven't just suggested collective EU military action have you??

::D::

Yes with the US and other nations, its called Nato ha ha ha ha

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:32 am

Like I say Putin is playing a very dodgy game, one that could see him lose power, because I doubt many backing him now would like to also see their business and half the countries revenue stop.
The EU has hit them with further sanctions and what has Russia done in return?

Nothing.

Catch you later

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:36 am

Oh before I go, have a read smelly:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_the_European_Union

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:57 am

Didge wrote:Oh before I go, have a read smelly:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_the_European_Union

Pro russian rallies in Germany and France

There's also an article in the German press about how deeply against any intervention the Germans are, can't find it at the moment.

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:58 am

Didge wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:oh my god you're haven't just suggested collective EU military action have you??

::D::

Yes with the US and other nations, its called Nato ha ha ha ha

::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg::

by Raggamuffin Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:06 am

Is anyone going to risk upsetting Putin though? I guess that the people who know him will know how far he will go to further the interests of Russia, but it's a bit risky isn't it? The chap doesn't seem like the sort who will back down.

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:34 am

Raggamuffin wrote:Is anyone going to risk upsetting Putin though? I guess that the people who know him will know how far he will go to further the interests of Russia, but it's a bit risky isn't it? The chap doesn't seem like the sort who will back down.

thats already been established, how is the west going to stop him??

the west is so useless and wrapped in bureaucratic red tape it takes years of meetings with the G8, the UN and NATO for us just to decide what colour toilet paper we want

within a fortnight the referendum was held,its results calculated and implemented

a move that left the west reeling and trying to catch up.

Putin is playing this game masterfully, he has no troops in Ukraine therefore the west cannot intervene.the fighting in Ukraine is between the Ukrainian state and Russian separatists, not the Russian state

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:02 pm

Alex Salmond: I admire 'certain aspects' of Vladimir Putin's leadership

First Minister said it was a 'good thing' the Russian president had restored national pride in interview at height of Crimea standoff

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/10792044/Alex-Salmond-I-admire-certain-aspects-of-Vladimir-Putins-leadership.html

by gerber Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:37 pm

Hi Tess

I had just read the same on Sky

and this in the article......

" Mr Salmond made his comments amid increasing tensions over the situation in Ukraine after Russia was accused of military aggression over Crimea, although the interview was given before the peninsula was annexed.

Nigel Farage
Mr Farage was criticised for his comments
Mr Salmond said: "Well, obviously, I don't approve of a range of Russian actions, but I think Putin's more effective than the press he gets ... and you can see why he carries support in Russia."

http://news.sky.com/story/1250812/alex-salmonds-admiration-for-vladimir-putin

Maybe there is some mischief making in the press Evil or Very Mad

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:39 pm

Tesstacious wrote:
Didge wrote:Oh before I go, have a read smelly:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_the_European_Union

Pro russian rallies in Germany and France

There's also an article in the German press about how deeply against any intervention the Germans are, can't find it at the moment.

:-:cawg:-:

Wow a few hundred people, my goodness

Fail

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:42 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Is anyone going to risk upsetting Putin though? I guess that the people who know him will know how far he will go to further the interests of Russia, but it's a bit risky isn't it? The chap doesn't seem like the sort who will back down.

thats already been established, how is the west going to stop him??

the west is so useless and wrapped in bureaucratic red tape it takes years of meetings with the G8, the UN and NATO for us just to decide what colour toilet paper we want

within a fortnight the referendum was held,its results calculated and implemented

a move that left the west reeling and trying to catch up.

Putin is playing this game masterfully, he has no troops in Ukraine therefore the west cannot intervene.the fighting in Ukraine is between the Ukrainian state and Russian separatists, not the Russian state

More gobbledygook from the forum clown

As seen, Putin will be ousted by his own people long before anything else happens as the Russians stand to lose far more, being half their wealth
He is playing a game of chance, which he is going to lose and not once has he stopped any sale of resources to the west, something which clearly proves smelly is talking nonsense and also knows the US would stand to gain from this, something else he negates.
It makes me laugh how he admires a tyrant who would if it came to war would be obliterated by Nato.

So far it is the west that has the upper had, as have we been affected by any of this or more Russia?

Take your time on that one smelly

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:59 pm

And the net tightens around Putin's inner circle, only a matter of time.

The US has imposed sanctions on seven Russian individuals and 17 companies it says are linked to President Vladimir Putin's "inner circle".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-27193628

Clearly it is the west who holds the aces and has the better plan, let Russia implode from fear that it will lose its monopoly on selling its resources

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:09 pm

Didge wrote:And the net tightens around Putin's inner circle, only a matter of time.

The US has imposed sanctions on seven Russian individuals and 17 companies it says are linked to President Vladimir Putin's "inner circle".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-27193628

Clearly it is the west who holds the aces and has the better plan, let Russia implode from fear that it will lose its monopoly on selling its resources

Bullshit. Anyway, Didge, seriously - if things escalated, so you honestly think the UK would get involved militarily in support of NATO if say Germany and France decided to join with the US?

by Raggamuffin Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:11 pm

I have a feeling that Putin won't care about the sanctions ...

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:13 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:I have a feeling that Putin won't care about the sanctions ...

But his inner circle will, the point people are missing, and clearly this strategy will have its affect, it is brilliant, without the west having to do much in military intervention, as the more it hurts those closet to him, the more they will in the end turn against him.

That is what you call smart

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:15 pm

Didge wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:

thats already been established, how is the west going to stop him??

the west is so useless and wrapped in bureaucratic red tape it takes years of meetings with the G8, the UN and NATO for us just to decide what colour toilet paper we want

within a fortnight the referendum was held,its results calculated and implemented

a move that left the west reeling and trying to catch up.

Putin is playing this game masterfully, he has no troops in Ukraine therefore the west cannot intervene.the fighting in Ukraine is between the Ukrainian state and Russian separatists, not the Russian state

More gobbledygook from the forum clown

As seen, Putin will be ousted by his own people long before anything else happens as the Russians stand to lose far more, being half their wealth
He is playing a game of chance, which he is going to lose and not once has he stopped any sale of resources to the west, something which clearly proves smelly is talking nonsense and also knows the US would stand to gain from this, something else he negates.
It makes me laugh how he admires a tyrant who would if it came to war would be obliterated by Nato.

So far it is the west that has the upper had, as have we been affected by any of this or more Russia?

Take your time on that one smelly

more waffle and chest pounding

firstly

i never said he would i said if he did we would be fucked

i suggest you stop doing a "choose a side" and actually read what im saying

putin wont shut off the gas, it makes him too rich

secondly the EU wont sanction Russia to any effective degree because they cannot stand to lose the revenue.

russia will still sell their gas and we will still buy it.

secondly

Putin is popular, he made the Olympics happen successfully, he is riding a wave of nationalism and patriotism and reuniting Crimea is seen as a good thing by the majority of ruskies

thirdly

it wont come to war, because the US wont engage him,there isn't any unity amongst the EU nations and any EU/NATO/US task force would have to launch an invasion of Russia to fight Russian troops

something that is not going to happen nor would it be successful

lastly

no one has the upper hand.

Russia have taken Crimea back and are now watching as the situation unfolds in Ukraine, the west on the other hand are being made to look weak and powerless, since they are throwing their teddies out the cot but in reality are not in a position to stop what is happening in Ukraine

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:15 pm

Tesstacious wrote:
Didge wrote:And the net tightens around Putin's inner circle, only a matter of time.

The US has imposed sanctions on seven Russian individuals and 17 companies it says are linked to President Vladimir Putin's "inner circle".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-27193628

Clearly it is the west who holds the aces and has the better plan, let Russia implode from fear that it will lose its monopoly on selling its resources

Bullshit. Anyway, Didge, seriously - if things escalated, so you honestly think the UK would get involved militarily in support of NATO if say Germany and France decided to join with the US?

Today we have sent Typhoons to the Baltic, showing very much yes we will get involved, though there will be no need, the inner circle of Putin will act before the west needs to do anything, it will only be a matter of time, as the sanctions start to take affect on those closet to him

So no bullshit, it shows you hold Putin in to high esteem.

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:16 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:I have a feeling that Putin won't care about the sanctions ...

Is Obama determined to start WW3? - Page 5 Oc_1bd11

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:17 pm

Wow what a reply from smelly as usual no answer.

Says it all, he is one man, his inner circle is many, no doubt I can see him being forced to retire early from politics as one man does not make a country, many do

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:18 pm

Didge wrote:
Tesstacious wrote:

Bullshit. Anyway, Didge, seriously - if things escalated, so you honestly think the UK would get involved militarily in support of NATO if say Germany and France decided to join with the US?

Today we have sent Typhoons to the Baltic, showing very much yes we will get involved, though there will be no need, the inner circle of Putin will act before the west needs to do anything, it will only be a matter of time, as the sanctions start to take affect on those closet to him

So no bullshit, it shows you hold Putin in to high esteem.

British troops will not fight in Ukraine if Russia invades says defence boss

Defence Secretary Philip Hammond has secretly told armed forces chiefs that our troops would not go into battle to help save Ukraine if Russia invaded.

The Tory has seemingly washed his hands of the region, claiming that the sacrifice of parts of Ukraine to Moscow would not be important to the UK.

It would mean that Britain had failed to honour a 1994 agreement to assure Ukraine’s security in exchange for it giving up nuclear weapons.

Insiders said Mr Hammond made the remarks during a meeting with the UK’s top armed forces chiefs.

A source told the Mirror: “This is an astonishing stance – especially since publicly the Government wants Russia to fear a robust response from Britain if sanctions don’t stop Vladimir Putin.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-troops-not-fight-ukraine-3468093#ixzz30BzmiWEh

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:20 pm

Tesstacious wrote:
Didge wrote:

Today we have sent Typhoons to the Baltic, showing very much yes we will get involved, though there will be no need, the inner circle of Putin will act before the west needs to do anything, it will only be a matter of time, as the sanctions start to take affect on those closet to him

So no bullshit, it shows you hold Putin in to high esteem.

British troops will not fight in Ukraine if Russia invades says defence boss

Defence Secretary Philip Hammond has secretly told armed forces chiefs that our troops would not go into battle to help save Ukraine if Russia invaded.

The Tory has seemingly washed his hands of the region, claiming that the sacrifice of parts of Ukraine to Moscow would not be important to the UK.

It would mean that Britain had failed to honour a 1994 agreement to assure Ukraine’s security in exchange for it giving up nuclear weapons.

Insiders said Mr Hammond made the remarks during a meeting with the UK’s top armed forces chiefs.

A source told the Mirror: “This is an astonishing stance – especially since publicly the Government wants Russia to fear a robust response from Britain if sanctions don’t stop Vladimir Putin.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-troops-not-fight-ukraine-3468093#ixzz30BzmiWEh

Hilarious and of course he gets to make the decision now does he Tess.

Please this is also the Mirror and take with a pinch of salt, hearsay babble, as why have we sent fighter to the Baltic?

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:21 pm

Royal Air Force jets have been deployed to defend Baltic air space as part of Nato's response to the Ukraine crisis.
Defence Secretary Philip Hammond said four Typhoon aircraft, promised in March, had now been sent to the region.
They will take part in the Baltic Air Policing (BAP) mission over Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, which lack their own air defence fighter planes.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/04/28/raf-jets-head-to-baltic_n_5225778.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

Guess the Mirror has just been exposed for talking bull

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:22 pm

Didge wrote:Wow what a reply from smelly as usual no answer.

Says it all, he is one man, his inner circle is many, no doubt I can see him being forced to retire early from politics as one man does not make a country, many do

didge you make me laugh

you haven't got a clue on international politics

remember Egypt?

i said it was going to turn into a cluster fuck worse that it already was

you said it was the start of a new bright new future for Egypt when they kicked out mubarak

you said the MB were good for Egypt.

you never take into account the big picture and only ever offer knee jerk responses to the situation as its unfolding

now you're offering predictions on putins future

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:22 pm

Didge wrote:
Tesstacious wrote:

British troops will not fight in Ukraine if Russia invades says defence boss

Defence Secretary Philip Hammond has secretly told armed forces chiefs that our troops would not go into battle to help save Ukraine if Russia invaded.

The Tory has seemingly washed his hands of the region, claiming that the sacrifice of parts of Ukraine to Moscow would not be important to the UK.

It would mean that Britain had failed to honour a 1994 agreement to assure Ukraine’s security in exchange for it giving up nuclear weapons.

Insiders said Mr Hammond made the remarks during a meeting with the UK’s top armed forces chiefs.

A source told the Mirror: “This is an astonishing stance – especially since publicly the Government wants Russia to fear a robust response from Britain if sanctions don’t stop Vladimir Putin.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-troops-not-fight-ukraine-3468093#ixzz30BzmiWEh

Hilarious and of course he gets to make the decision now does he Tess.

Please this is also the Mirror and take with a pinch of salt, hearsay babble, as why have we sent fighter to the Baltic?

Ermmm.... yes he does get to decide, he's the fucking Secretary of Defence!

Geez, what a dickhead.

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:23 pm

Didge wrote:Royal Air Force jets have been deployed to defend Baltic air space as part of Nato's response to the Ukraine crisis.
Defence Secretary Philip Hammond said four Typhoon aircraft, promised in March, had now been sent to the region.
They will take part in the Baltic Air Policing (BAP) mission over Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, which lack their own air defence fighter planes.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/04/28/raf-jets-head-to-baltic_n_5225778.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

Guess the Mirror has just been exposed for talking bull

all 4 of the RAF typhoons have gone??

i bet putin is just shitting his pants at the thought of a whole 4 typhoons ::smthg::

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:24 pm

Tesstacious wrote:
Didge wrote:

Hilarious and of course he gets to make the decision now does he Tess.

Please this is also the Mirror and take with a pinch of salt, hearsay babble, as why have we sent fighter to the Baltic?

Ermmm.... yes he does get to decide, he's the fucking Secretary of Defence!

Geez, what a dickhead.

Dear me you are utterly stupid.

It says insiders claim, that is hearsay, so why have Jets been sent, are they not part of our armed forces?

Another fail from Tess

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:24 pm

Didge wrote:Royal Air Force jets have been deployed to defend Baltic air space as part of Nato's response to the Ukraine crisis.
Defence Secretary Philip Hammond said four Typhoon aircraft, promised in March, had now been sent to the region.
They will take part in the Baltic Air Policing (BAP) mission over Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, which lack their own air defence fighter planes.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/04/28/raf-jets-head-to-baltic_n_5225778.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

Guess the Mirror has just been exposed for talking bull

Britain is saying quite openly that we will not intervene unless a NATO nation comes under attack. The Mirror likes to be sensationalist, but the approach is not new and Britain has been saying it for some time. The whole of NATO will not respond unless there is an attack on a NATO member. There is zero appetite for war with Russia

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:24 pm

Tesstacious wrote:
Didge wrote:

Hilarious and of course he gets to make the decision now does he Tess.

Please this is also the Mirror and take with a pinch of salt, hearsay babble, as why have we sent fighter to the Baltic?

Ermmm.... yes he does get to decide, he's the fucking Secretary of Defence!

Geez, what a dickhead.

::smthg:: ::smthg::

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:25 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
Didge wrote:Royal Air Force jets have been deployed to defend Baltic air space as part of Nato's response to the Ukraine crisis.
Defence Secretary Philip Hammond said four Typhoon aircraft, promised in March, had now been sent to the region.
They will take part in the Baltic Air Policing (BAP) mission over Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, which lack their own air defence fighter planes.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/04/28/raf-jets-head-to-baltic_n_5225778.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

Guess the Mirror has just been exposed for talking bull

all 4 of the RAF typhoons have gone??

i bet putin is just shitting his pants at the thought of a whole 4 typhoons ::smthg::

Shows how much faith smelly has in our armed forces, wonder where his loyalties are with Russia or Britain.

It is a start, but that goes way above your pay grade.

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:26 pm

Tesstacious wrote:
Didge wrote:Royal Air Force jets have been deployed to defend Baltic air space as part of Nato's response to the Ukraine crisis.
Defence Secretary Philip Hammond said four Typhoon aircraft, promised in March, had now been sent to the region.
They will take part in the Baltic Air Policing (BAP) mission over Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, which lack their own air defence fighter planes.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/04/28/raf-jets-head-to-baltic_n_5225778.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

Guess the Mirror has just been exposed for talking bull

Britain is saying quite openly that we will not intervene unless a NATO nation comes under attack. The Mirror likes to be sensationalist, but the approach is not new and Britain has been saying it for some time. The whole of NATO will not respond unless there is an attack on a NATO member. There is zero appetite for war with Russia

There is no appetite for war but if the Ukraine is attacked, more sanctions, then action will come.

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:26 pm

Didge wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:

all 4 of the RAF typhoons have gone??

i bet putin is just shitting his pants at the thought of a whole 4 typhoons ::smthg::

Shows how much faith smelly has in our armed forces, wonder where his loyalties are with Russia or Britain.

It is a start, but that goes way above your pay grade.

what the fuck are 4 typhoons going to do against the Russian military??

get shot down is what

dickhead

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:28 pm

Didge wrote:
Tesstacious wrote:

Britain is saying quite openly that we will not intervene unless a NATO nation comes under attack. The Mirror likes to be sensationalist, but the approach is not new and Britain has been saying it for some time. The whole of NATO will not respond unless there is an attack on a NATO member. There is zero appetite for war with Russia

There is no appetite for war but if the Ukraine is attacked, more sanctions, then action will come.

dream on child

never going to happen

if Ukraine is attacked the west will wring its hands and do nothing

just as we are currently doing now

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:28 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
Didge wrote:

Shows how much faith smelly has in our armed forces, wonder where his loyalties are with Russia or Britain.

It is a start, but that goes way above your pay grade.

what the fuck are 4 typhoons going to do against the Russian military??

get shot down is what

dickhead

Like with other Nato Jets sent into the area to defend the air space or do you think it is only the UK?

Oh my, no worries comrade, we know where your loyalties lie, soon we will round up the traitors like you ha ha

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:31 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
Didge wrote:

There is no appetite for war but if the Ukraine is attacked, more sanctions, then action will come.

dream on child

never going to happen

if Ukraine is attacked the west will wring its hands and do nothing

just as we are currently doing now

No what we are doing now is forcing the hand of his inner circle, it is a brilliant strategy, one you are too brainless to comprehend, as Russia stands to lose far more within its inner circle, something you fail to grasp, it is hitting the people who support him

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:32 pm

Didge wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:

what the fuck are 4 typhoons going to do against the Russian military??

get shot down is what

dickhead

Like with other Nato Jets in the area defend the air space or do you think it is only the UK?

Oh my, no worries comrade, we know where your loyalties lie, soon we will round up the traitors like you ha ha

::smthg::

its a show of force you fool

a commitment without committing to any action

thats exactly what happened during libya

marines were on station ready to deploy, its a threat nothing more

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:34 pm

Didge wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:

dream on child

never going to happen

if Ukraine is attacked the west will wring its hands and do nothing

just as we are currently doing now

No what we are doing now is forcing the hand of his inner circle, it is a brilliant strategy, one you are too brainless to comprehend, as Russia stands to lose far more within its inner circle, something you fail to grasp, it is hitting the people who support him

what exactly is Russia going to lose??

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:35 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
Didge wrote:

Like with other Nato Jets in the area defend the air space or do you think it is only the UK?

Oh my, no worries comrade, we know where your loyalties lie, soon we will round up the traitors like you ha ha

::smthg::

its a show of force you fool

a commitment without committing to any action

thats exactly what happened during libya

marines were on station ready to deploy, its a threat nothing more

Hilarious, so defending air space is not committing to action, oh my, what a dummy

This is the comical reply to the new sanctions, all hot air just like smelly

What makes me laugh is Russia cannot hurt American resources.

We will, of course, respond," Russian deputy foreign minister Sergei Ryabkov told the Interfax news agency. "We are certain that this response will have a painful effect on Washington."
He provided no further details but stressed that Russia had a "broad range" of options. Ryabkov said Washington's measures would only escalate tensions around the culturally splintered ex-Soviet state.
"We are disgusted with the statement issued by the White House press secretary," said Ryabkov.
"Every word used by the White House press secretary in the statement confirms that the United States has completely lost touch with reality and is leading things toward an escalation of the crisis."

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:37 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
Didge wrote:

No what we are doing now is forcing the hand of his inner circle, it is a brilliant strategy, one you are too brainless to comprehend, as Russia stands to lose far more within its inner circle, something you fail to grasp, it is hitting the people who support him

what exactly is Russia going to lose??

Its rich magnates their wealth, his inner circle, something you cannot comprehend.

Hence they are hitting and using the right strategy, something you still have no concept of

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:41 pm

“The goal here is not to go after Mr. Putin personally,” Obama said. “The goal is to change his calculus with respect to how the current actions that he’s engaging in in Ukraine could have an adverse impact on the Russian economy in the long haul and to encourage him to actually walk the walk and not just talk the talk when it comes to diplomatically solving the crisis.”
If the U.S. sees “further Russian aggression” toward Ukraine, it could impose sanctions on specific parts of the economy such as the banking and defense industries, Obama said.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-28/obama-to-impose-sanctions-on-putin-circle-as-mayor-shot.html

Got to hold your hand up to Obama, way smarter strategy, not to go after Putin, but those closet to him, who stand to lose far more.
That is genius

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:47 pm

Didge wrote:
Tesstacious wrote:

Bullshit. Anyway, Didge, seriously - if things escalated, so you honestly think the UK would get involved militarily in support of NATO if say Germany and France decided to join with the US?

Today we have sent Typhoons to the Baltic, showing very much yes we will get involved, though there will be no need, the inner circle of Putin will act before the west needs to do anything, it will only be a matter of time, as the sanctions start to take affect on those closet to him

So no bullshit, it shows you hold Putin in to high esteem.

Russia and Iran strike $10bn energy deal
http://rt.com/business/155404-russia-iran-energy-deal/[/link]/

Russia clinches $270 bn oil export deal with China
http://in.rbth.com/economics/2013/06/21/russia_clinches_270_bn_oil_export_deal_with_china_26329.html

Putin says:

Sanction That! Is Obama determined to start WW3? - Page 5 Jbicri10

Is Obama determined to start WW3? - Page 5 Jbicri10

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:49 pm

Tesstacious wrote:
Didge wrote:

Today we have sent Typhoons to the Baltic, showing very much yes we will get involved, though there will be no need, the inner circle of Putin will act before the west needs to do anything, it will only be a matter of time, as the sanctions start to take affect on those closet to him

So no bullshit, it shows you hold Putin in to high esteem.

Russia and Iran strike $10bn energy deal
http://rt.com/business/155404-russia-iran-energy-deal/[/link]/

Russia clinches $270 bn oil export deal with China
http://in.rbth.com/economics/2013/06/21/russia_clinches_270_bn_oil_export_deal_with_china_26329.html

Putin says:

Sanction That!

Hilarious again, 10 billion?

That is pitiful amounts these days Tess, please that was embarrassing when he stands to lose billions with the west

Again it is his inner circle they are hitting and as much as you Love Putin Comrade, he will lose in the end, mark my words.

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:54 pm

Didge wrote:
Tesstacious wrote:

Russia and Iran strike $10bn energy deal
http://rt.com/business/155404-russia-iran-energy-deal/[/link]/

Russia clinches $270 bn oil export deal with China
http://in.rbth.com/economics/2013/06/21/russia_clinches_270_bn_oil_export_deal_with_china_26329.html

Putin says:

Sanction That!

Hilarious again, 10 billion?

That is pitiful amounts these days Tess, please that was embarrassing when he stands to lose billions with the west

Again it is his inner circle they are hitting and as much as you Love Putin Comrade, he will lose in the end, mark my words.

Don't you even read posts, or are you just being slippery? 10 billion was the first link, the second one was 270bn! There's more but I can't be arsed finding them again - basically he's doing huge deals with China and China, as you know, (or not!) have mega billions to spare.

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:57 pm

Tesstacious wrote:
Didge wrote:

Hilarious again, 10 billion?

That is pitiful amounts these days Tess, please that was embarrassing when he stands to lose billions with the west

Again it is his inner circle they are hitting and as much as you Love Putin Comrade, he will lose in the end, mark my words.
Don't you even read posts, or are you just being slippery? 10 billion was the first link, the second one was 270bn! There's more but I can't be arsed finding them again - basically he's doing huge deals with China and China, as you know, (or not!) have mega billions to spare.

Wow and what about the billions he could lose to the west Tess or how his inner circle will lose billions by sanctions Comrade?
Sorry that was hilarious, he is showing how desperate he is by doing so, because if America and other nations stand to gain from his stupidity, Russia will again lose out finnacially

by Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:07 pm

Didge wrote:
Tesstacious wrote:
Don't you even read posts, or are you just being slippery? 10 billion was the first link, the second one was 270bn! There's more but I can't be arsed finding them again - basically he's doing huge deals with China and China, as you know, (or not!) have mega billions to spare.

Wow and what about the billions he could lose to the west Tess or how his inner circle will lose billions by sanctions Comrade?
Sorry that was hilarious, he is showing how desperate he is by doing so, because if America and other nations stand to gain from his stupidity, Russia will again lose out finnacially

That akward moment when USA imposes sanctions on Russian banks, but it's Bank of America that crashes -5% after this.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmUDHWaIMAAuVs4.jpg:large

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