Is Obama determined to start WW3?

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US President Barack Obama has accused Russia of flouting a deal on Ukraine.

Mr Obama told a news conference in Japan that Moscow had failed to halt actions by militants in the region and warned that the US could impose further sanctions against Russia.

A contingent of US troops has begun landing in Poland for military exercises amid concerns among Nato's eastern members about Russian intentions.

Moscow has said it will respond to any attack on its interests in Ukraine.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-27139190

That follows his pledge to the Japanese to support them regarding some disputed islands if China attack them, which isn't going down at all well with China!

Tesstacious wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:
It all reminds me of certain films I've watched - like Threads, and The Day After. In those films, the trouble started one area and then escalated, and then the end result was a huge nuclear war!

His attitude towards the Russians is one thing, but deliberately provoking the Chinese at the same times looks to me as if he wants a major war, either for personal aggrandisement or, more likely, to cover up the financial armageddon that'll surely take place in the US, because he's kicked the debt can down the road just as far as it'll go.

  

WHAT a pathetic load of partisan bullshit !!!

JUST to prove what happens when you put two brainless fascists together discussing foreign politics..

 ://?roflmao?/: 

Lone Wolf wrote:

Tesstacious wrote:

His attitude towards the Russians is one thing, but deliberately provoking the Chinese at the same times looks to me as if he wants a major war, either for personal aggrandisement or, more likely, to cover up the financial armageddon that'll surely take place in the US, because he's kicked the debt can down the road just as far as it'll go.

  

WHAT a pathetic load of partisan bullshit !!!

JUST to prove what happens when you put two brainless fascists together discussing foreign politics..  

 ://?roflmao?/: 

Oh I don't know, Obama is pretty brainless but I would't call him a fascist.

Eilzel wrote:Exactly Cass. So we let Ukraine fall; then Russia turns her attention to perhaps Moldova, or Russian minorities start making noises in any of the other many former Soviet states, do we just step back and allow an aggressive Russia to expand indefinitely?

I am surprised how little interest people have in defeding global order and the right to a nations sovereignty. We don't live in a bubble, allowing one aggressive power to move unchecked would bite us in the end.

Well Eilzel, I didn't see UN troops in Tibet or Taiwan    Very selective that about WHICH nations we defend   only the ones with natural resources it seems     

Global order is a myth ask a refugee   

Lone Wolf wrote:

Tesstacious wrote:

His attitude towards the Russians is one thing, but deliberately provoking the Chinese at the same times looks to me as if he wants a major war, either for personal aggrandisement or, more likely, to cover up the financial armageddon that'll surely take place in the US, because he's kicked the debt can down the road just as far as it'll go.

  

WHAT a pathetic load of partisan bullshit !!!

JUST to prove what happens when you put two brainless fascists together discussing foreign politics..  

 ://?roflmao?/: 

You should be the first to go in the basement - you're already in the gutter so it won't make much difference to you.

The point is that a lot of trouble starts in a very small way, and then other countries get involved and it all escalates. Do you have a problem understanding that?

veya_victaous wrote:

Eilzel wrote:Exactly Cass. So we let Ukraine fall; then Russia turns her attention to perhaps Moldova, or Russian minorities start making noises in any of the other many former Soviet states, do we just step back and allow an aggressive Russia to expand indefinitely?

I am surprised how little interest people have in defeding global order and the right to a nations sovereignty. We don't live in a bubble, allowing one aggressive power to move unchecked would bite us in the end.

Well Eilzel, I didn't see UN troops in Tibet or Taiwan    Very selective that about WHICH nations we defend   only the ones with natural resources it seems     

Global order is a myth ask a refugee   

Poland?

France?

Absolutely teeming with natural resources...

BigAndy9 wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Eilzel wrote:Exactly Cass. So we let Ukraine fall; then Russia turns her attention to perhaps Moldova, or Russian minorities start making noises in any of the other many former Soviet states, do we just step back and allow an aggressive Russia to expand indefinitely?

I am surprised how little interest people have in defeding global order and the right to a nations sovereignty. We don't live in a bubble, allowing one aggressive power to move unchecked would bite us in the end.

Well Eilzel, I didn't see UN troops in Tibet or Taiwan    Very selective that about WHICH nations we defend   only the ones with natural resources it seems     

Global order is a myth ask a refugee   

Poland?

France?

Absolutely teeming with natural resources...

huh    are you talking WW2 what about all the war since then? considering the UN was created post WW2.  
Or is your point we only defend white or natural resource rich nations   

Tesstacious wrote:

yep exactly how the American RW got the people of the USA to invade Iraq   

Didge wrote:

gerber wrote:At the start I was one of the protagonists arguing against Russia, but the more one reads and the more one listens I am changing my opinion.

It does seem as though the US and some of Europe are clamouring for action...........and has been said already maybe to hide the catastrophic economies.  OB is a dangerous non leader.  

Kerry is vieying for the Presidency nomination in the shadow of H Clinton.   His aggressive attitude will do him no harm.

Leaders need wars to win elections they themselves seem to think.

Putin is just biding his time, waiting for Check mate.

Sorry Gerber, but Russia is a bit hypocritical on that front with its views for the west not to get involved in Syria.

Putin is playing a very dangerous game, he knows he cannot compete with America, not financially, economically, over resources and military, all he has is a last gamble of Nukes, which I am sure America has contingency plans to strike that out of the equation too.

He is pushing his luck

he is not pushing anything

Obama is weak and therefore it doesn't matter what Russia does Obama wont do a thing about it except waffle and whimper

for goodness sake the weakling said to north Korea the other day over its nuke test something like "you will be even more isolated" oh yes im sure the headshed of NK are literally scrambling to cancel the nuke test because "more" isolation is the thing they fear the most

and lets not forget that this proposed nuke test by NK puts things into perspective

a nuke test by the lunatics of NK in the vicinity of American assets generates less anger and criticism form obama, than a democratic referendum by the people of Crimea to reunite with Russia

i think Americas priorities are slightly out of sync with reality

veya_victaous wrote:

Tesstacious wrote:

yep exactly how the American RW got the people of the USA to invade Iraq   

did the democratics oppose the invasion??

smelly_bandit wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Tesstacious wrote:

yep exactly how the American RW got the people of the USA to invade Iraq   

did the democratics oppose the invasion??

Ones like Ben did   

smelly_bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:



Sorry Gerber, but Russia is a bit hypocritical on that front with its views for the west not to get involved in Syria.

Putin is playing a very dangerous game, he knows he cannot compete with America, not financially, economically, over resources and military, all he has is a last gamble of Nukes, which I am sure America has contingency plans to strike that out of the equation too.

He is pushing his luck

he is not pushing anything

Obama is weak and therefore it doesn't  matter what Russia does Obama wont do a thing about it except waffle and whimper

for goodness sake the weakling said to north Korea the other day over its nuke test something like "you will be even more isolated" oh yes im sure the headshed of NK are literally scrambling to cancel the nuke test because "more" isolation is the thing they fear the most

and lets not forget that this proposed nuke test by NK puts things into perspective

a nuke test by the lunatics of NK in the vicinity of American assets generates less anger and criticism form obama, than a democratic referendum by the people of Crimea to reunite with Russia  

i think Americas priorities are slightly out of sync with reality

You're not the only one. I was wondering what Turkey's stance is on this - they're hugely important I think, being situated where they are and having such a large army and that:

".... As to President Obama, he currently seems to be going on a diplomatic attack in Europe against Russia. Obama's goal is to ostracize Russia on the international arena. However, such a policy of isolation may not yield results in the UN or in the Middle East; indeed, it can even backfire....

http://www.turkishweekly.net/columnist/3868/the-ukrainian-crisis-and-contradiction-management.html

smelly_bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:

gerber wrote:At the start I was one of the protagonists arguing against Russia, but the more one reads and the more one listens I am changing my opinion.

It does seem as though the US and some of Europe are clamouring for action...........and has been said already maybe to hide the catastrophic economies.  OB is a dangerous non leader.  

Kerry is vieying for the Presidency nomination in the shadow of H Clinton.   His aggressive attitude will do him no harm.

Leaders need wars to win elections they themselves seem to think.

Putin is just biding his time, waiting for Check mate.

Sorry Gerber, but Russia is a bit hypocritical on that front with its views for the west not to get involved in Syria.

Putin is playing a very dangerous game, he knows he cannot compete with America, not financially, economically, over resources and military, all he has is a last gamble of Nukes, which I am sure America has contingency plans to strike that out of the equation too.

He is pushing his luck

he is not pushing anything

Obama is weak and therefore it doesn't  matter what Russia does Obama wont do a thing about it except waffle and whimper

for goodness sake the weakling said to north Korea the other day over its nuke test something like "you will be even more isolated" oh yes im sure the headshed of NK are literally scrambling to cancel the nuke test because "more" isolation is the thing they fear the most

and lets not forget that this proposed nuke test by NK puts things into perspective

a nuke test by the lunatics of NK in the vicinity of American assets generates less anger and criticism form obama, than a democratic referendum by the people of Crimea to reunite with Russia  

i think Americas priorities are slightly out of sync with reality

Jezuz Smelly you're talking sense      I hope you are not sick or something   
I agree, and NK is good evidence of the fact,
The USA is too weakened by the Iraq and Afghan wars to respond with anything but empty threats of economic retaliation.
And the Economic threats simply wont work on Russia as Europe is more reliant on it than Russia is on Europe.

veya_victaous wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

did the democratics oppose the invasion??

Ones like Ben did   

so the democrats didnt oppose the invasion of the war

was obama part of the democratic party at that time i wonder??

smelly_bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:



Sorry Gerber, but Russia is a bit hypocritical on that front with its views for the west not to get involved in Syria.

Putin is playing a very dangerous game, he knows he cannot compete with America, not financially, economically, over resources and military, all he has is a last gamble of Nukes, which I am sure America has contingency plans to strike that out of the equation too.

He is pushing his luck

he is not pushing anything

Obama is weak and therefore it doesn't  matter what Russia does Obama wont do a thing about it except waffle and whimper

for goodness sake the weakling said to north Korea the other day over its nuke test something like "you will be even more isolated" oh yes im sure the headshed of NK are literally scrambling to cancel the nuke test because "more" isolation is the thing they fear the most

and lets not forget that this proposed nuke test by NK puts things into perspective

a nuke test by the lunatics of NK in the vicinity of American assets generates less anger and criticism form obama, than a democratic referendum by the people of Crimea to reunite with Russia  

i think Americas priorities are slightly out of sync with reality

Obama is not weak, he had no hesitation to send troops into Pakistan to kill Obama, not many would do that through fear of upsetting that nation, so spare me the bull on being weak, that is waffle.

The problem with North Korea is it has China on its side still, and China has also a formidable force, so you really need to look at the bigger picture smelly

veya_victaous wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

he is not pushing anything

Obama is weak and therefore it doesn't  matter what Russia does Obama wont do a thing about it except waffle and whimper

for goodness sake the weakling said to north Korea the other day over its nuke test something like "you will be even more isolated" oh yes im sure the headshed of NK are literally scrambling to cancel the nuke test because "more" isolation is the thing they fear the most

and lets not forget that this proposed nuke test by NK puts things into perspective

a nuke test by the lunatics of NK in the vicinity of American assets generates less anger and criticism form obama, than a democratic referendum by the people of Crimea to reunite with Russia  

i think Americas priorities are slightly out of sync with reality

Jezuz Smelly you're talking sense      I hope you are not sick or something     
I agree, and NK is good evidence of the fact,
The USA is too weakened by the Iraq and Afghan wars to respond with anything but empty threats of economic retaliation.
And the Economic threats simply wont work on Russia as Europe is more reliant on it than Russia is on Europe.

if America was too weakened by economic woes then why were they rearing to go into Syria??

why is it that the only ones who stopped them were Russia and china with a veto???

Didge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

he is not pushing anything

Obama is weak and therefore it doesn't  matter what Russia does Obama wont do a thing about it except waffle and whimper

for goodness sake the weakling said to north Korea the other day over its nuke test something like "you will be even more isolated" oh yes im sure the headshed of NK are literally scrambling to cancel the nuke test because "more" isolation is the thing they fear the most

and lets not forget that this proposed nuke test by NK puts things into perspective

a nuke test by the lunatics of NK in the vicinity of American assets generates less anger and criticism form obama, than a democratic referendum by the people of Crimea to reunite with Russia  

i think Americas priorities are slightly out of sync with reality

Obama is not weak, he had no hesitation to send troops into Pakistan to kill Obama, not many would do that through fear of upsetting that nation, so spare me the bull on being weak, that is waffle.

The problem with North Korea is it has China on its side still, and China has also a formidable force, so you really need to look at the bigger picture smelly

"Obama is not weak, he had no hesitation to send troops into Pakistan to kill Obama"

Freudian slip??

obama didn't send "troops" to kill OBL he sent an assassination squad, different beasts altogether

SF teams from the UK and the US operate clandestinely all over the world ALL the time, same with the rests of the countries so its doesn't take balls to send a team already in country to kill someone in that country

didge every time you talk about the military i cringe at your lack of understanding how it all works

and it doesn't matter who is on NK's side

the bottom line is that a NUCLEAR DEVICE about to be tested is given little consideration and apparently of no concern to the US and yet the Crimea referendum is see by the US as worse??

the imbalance of reaction is clear for all to see

smelly_bandit wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

he is not pushing anything

Obama is weak and therefore it doesn't  matter what Russia does Obama wont do a thing about it except waffle and whimper

for goodness sake the weakling said to north Korea the other day over its nuke test something like "you will be even more isolated" oh yes im sure the headshed of NK are literally scrambling to cancel the nuke test because "more" isolation is the thing they fear the most

and lets not forget that this proposed nuke test by NK puts things into perspective

a nuke test by the lunatics of NK in the vicinity of American assets generates less anger and criticism form obama, than a democratic referendum by the people of Crimea to reunite with Russia  

i think Americas priorities are slightly out of sync with reality

Jezuz Smelly you're talking sense      I hope you are not sick or something     
I agree, and NK is good evidence of the fact,
The USA is too weakened by the Iraq and Afghan wars to respond with anything but empty threats of economic retaliation.
And the Economic threats simply wont work on Russia as Europe is more reliant on it than Russia is on Europe.

if America was too weakened by economic woes then why were they rearing to go into Syria??

why is it that the only ones who stopped them were Russia and china with a veto???

they were never rearing to go to Syria? or some rednecks might have been but neither side seriously suggested deploying troops    And Syria is weaker and still has natural resources so could pay off, Russia or NK is a different story   

I am actually agreeing with you you smelly bastard      Obama i.e the USA is too weak, you could say that is part of the reason for electing Obama was it didn't want someone that would go to war easily, they need to consolidate their economy post GFC and expensive Military campaigns.
I can't be bother looking up the exact quote but "the wheels of war are greased with gold" has been a military saying since Ancient Rome.

smelly_bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:



Obama is not weak, he had no hesitation to send troops into Pakistan to kill Obama, not many would do that through fear of upsetting that nation, so spare me the bull on being weak, that is waffle.

The problem with North Korea is it has China on its side still, and China has also a formidable force, so you really need to look at the bigger picture smelly

"Obama is not weak, he had no hesitation to send troops into Pakistan to kill Obama"

Freudian slip??

obama didn't send "troops" to kill OBL he sent an assassination squad, different beasts altogether

SF teams from the UK and the US operate clandestinely all over the world ALL the time, same with the rests of the countries so its doesn't take balls to send a team already in country to kill someone in that country  

didge every time you talk about the military i cringe at your lack of understanding how it all works

and it doesn't matter who is on NK's side

the bottom line is that a NUCLEAR DEVICE about to be tested is given little consideration and apparently of no concern to the US and yet the Crimea referendum is see by the US as worse??

the imbalance of reaction is clear for all to see  

Dear me they are Navy Seals, that means they are troops and yes it does take balls to go into a country like Pakistan, hence why they were pissed off, you can down play it all you like smelly, but that took balls.

I laugh at your knowledge all the time, which again does not refute my point in sending in special forces to carry out executing a Job, in a another nation without their Knowledge..


Testing Nukes and all the crap that goes with it has always gone on with people bemoaning it, and North Korea has had Nukes for decades, do you really think the US if they were really worried would not do so something about it? 
Please you make me laugh how you think and give such little credit for the Americans and in what they are very much capable of doing

Didge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

he is not pushing anything

Obama is weak and therefore it doesn't  matter what Russia does Obama wont do a thing about it except waffle and whimper

for goodness sake the weakling said to north Korea the other day over its nuke test something like "you will be even more isolated" oh yes im sure the headshed of NK are literally scrambling to cancel the nuke test because "more" isolation is the thing they fear the most

and lets not forget that this proposed nuke test by NK puts things into perspective

a nuke test by the lunatics of NK in the vicinity of American assets generates less anger and criticism form obama, than a democratic referendum by the people of Crimea to reunite with Russia  

i think Americas priorities are slightly out of sync with reality

Obama is not weak, he had no hesitation to send troops into Pakistan to kill Obama, not many would do that through fear of upsetting that nation, so spare me the bull on being weak, that is waffle.

The problem with North Korea is it has China on its side still, and China has also a formidable force, so you really need to look at the bigger picture smelly

The bigger picture:

Tesstacious wrote:

Didge wrote:



Obama is not weak, he had no hesitation to send troops into Pakistan to kill Obama, not many would do that through fear of upsetting that nation, so spare me the bull on being weak, that is waffle.

The problem with North Korea is it has China on its side still, and China has also a formidable force, so you really need to look at the bigger picture smelly

The bigger picture:

Actually that is bang on. because that is what Putin may have to face, several actions at one, how apt Tess, which shows even more how difficult a situation Putin will face if he goes to far

Of course exhausting all avenues will be first, but he may push things too far, he has much to lose also

Didge wrote:

Tesstacious wrote:

The bigger picture:

Actually that is bang on. because that is what Putin may have to face, several actions at one, how apt Tess, which shows even more how difficult a situation Putin will face if he goes to far

Of course exhausting all avenues will be first, but he may push things too far, he has much to lose also

he is playing all of them like a grandmaster schooling novices

you keep hoping against hope for "something"

what exactly do you think is going to happen??

obama wont deploy troops he wont declare war

the EU are shitting their pants at the thought of Russia turning off the power

economic sanctions will simply force Russia to take their money and give it to china

there are no Russian troops beyond Russias borders so there is no justification for western military intervention - who will they intervene against??

putin has outplayed outmatched and out thought all the so called "leaders" of the west

Didge wrote:

Tesstacious wrote:

The bigger picture:

Actually that is bang on. because that is what Putin may have to face, several actions at one, how apt Tess, which shows even more how difficult a situation Putin will face if he goes to far

Of course exhausting all avenues will be first, but he may push things too far, he has much to lose also

Don't know if this is true or misinformation, but there's a twitter going round just now that the Ukranians have cut off the drinking water supply to the Crimea. If this is true Putin will have no choice but to go in. I'll wait and see though.

smelly_bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:



Actually that is bang on. because that is what Putin may have to face, several actions at one, how apt Tess, which shows even more how difficult a situation Putin will face if he goes to far

Of course exhausting all avenues will be first, but he may push things too far, he has much to lose also

he is playing all of them like a grandmaster schooling novices

you keep hoping against hope for "something"

what exactly do you think is going to happen??

obama wont deploy troops he wont declare war

the EU are shitting their pants at the thought of Russia turning off the power

economic sanctions will simply force Russia to take their money and give it to china

there are no Russian troops in beyond Russias borders so there is no justification for western military intervention - who will they intervene against??

putin has outplayed outmatched and out thought all the so called "leaders" of the west

In your humble opinion he is, to me I think he is starting to crack and feel the pinch and will do so more with more sanctions which will start to get to the Russian people and the last thing he needs now is for the Russian people to be divided.

The EU is not shitting themselves, why would they be, you seem to give to much credit to what I can only describe as an idiot in Putin, who has gone too far this time and he knows it, his only grace is to bow out of this gracefully without losing any face an he knows it.

Russia needs to sell to the west otherwise it will lose money fast, so it is nothing as you seem to see it smelly, far from it.

Putin you will see in the end will end up spelling his own demise in Russia

Tesstacious wrote:

Didge wrote:



Actually that is bang on. because that is what Putin may have to face, several actions at one, how apt Tess, which shows even more how difficult a situation Putin will face if he goes to far

Of course exhausting all avenues will be first, but he may push things too far, he has much to lose also

Don't know if this is true or misinformation, but there's a twitter going round just now that the Ukranians have cut off the drinking water supply to the Crimea.  If this is true Putin will have no choice but to go in.  I'll wait and see though.

If they have, it is a clever move by the Ukranians, because if Russia invades, then it escalates.

Didge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:


"Obama is not weak, he had no hesitation to send troops into Pakistan to kill Obama"

Freudian slip??

obama didn't send "troops" to kill OBL he sent an assassination squad, different beasts altogether

SF teams from the UK and the US operate clandestinely all over the world ALL the time, same with the rests of the countries so its doesn't take balls to send a team already in country to kill someone in that country  

didge every time you talk about the military i cringe at your lack of understanding how it all works

and it doesn't matter who is on NK's side

the bottom line is that a NUCLEAR DEVICE about to be tested is given little consideration and apparently of no concern to the US and yet the Crimea referendum is see by the US as worse??

the imbalance of reaction is clear for all to see  

Dear me they are Navy Seals, that means they are troops and yes it does take balls to go into a country like Pakistan, hence why they were pissed off, you can down play it all you like smelly, but that took balls.

I laugh at your knowledge all the time, which again does not refute my point in sending in special forces to carry out executing a Job, in a another nation without their Knowledge..


Testing Nukes and all the crap that goes with it has always gone on with people bemoaning it, and North Korea has had Nukes for decades, do you really think the US if they were really worried would not do so something about it? 
Please you make me laugh how you think and give such little credit for the Americans and in what they are very much capable of doing

took balls to send in seals to Pakistan who needs US aid and assistance??

it would take balls to do that in china or iran or NK, but Pakistan?? what repercussions will blow back onto America than America cant deal with??

Jesus you're thick

my point isn't about doing something about it, you mong

its there to simply show the imbalance in reaction

nuke test = no reaction

referendum = global uproar and sabre rattling galore

smelly_bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:



Dear me they are Navy Seals, that means they are troops and yes it does take balls to go into a country like Pakistan, hence why they were pissed off, you can down play it all you like smelly, but that took balls.

I laugh at your knowledge all the time, which again does not refute my point in sending in special forces to carry out executing a Job, in a another nation without their Knowledge..


Testing Nukes and all the crap that goes with it has always gone on with people bemoaning it, and North Korea has had Nukes for decades, do you really think the US if they were really worried would not do so something about it? 
Please you make me laugh how you think and give such little credit for the Americans and in what they are very much capable of doing

took balls to send in seals to Pakistan who needs US aid and assistance??

it would take balls to do that in china or iran or NK, but Pakistan?? what repercussions will blow back onto America than America cant deal with??

Jesus you're thick

my point isn't about doing something about it, you mong

its there to simply show the imbalance in reaction

nuke test = no reaction

referendum = global uproar and sabre rattling galore

No it isn't fuck me Pakistan has nukes you dummy and could have turned nasty on this and no they do not need American aid, they use America for aid, thus again showing how utterly clueless you are.

So what about Nuke Tests, that is an utter no brainer point when such war of words have gone on for decades about it.

Blimey you come out with some right waffle

Didge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

he is playing all of them like a grandmaster schooling novices

you keep hoping against hope for "something"

what exactly do you think is going to happen??

obama wont deploy troops he wont declare war

the EU are shitting their pants at the thought of Russia turning off the power

economic sanctions will simply force Russia to take their money and give it to china

there are no Russian troops in beyond Russias borders so there is no justification for western military intervention - who will they intervene against??

putin has outplayed outmatched and out thought all the so called "leaders" of the west

In your humble opinion he is, to me I think he is starting to crack and feel the pinch and will do so more with more sanctions which will start to get to the Russian people and the last thing he needs now is for the Russian people to be divided.

The EU is not shitting themselves, why would they be, you seem to give to much credit to what I can only describe as an idiot in Putin, who has gone too far this time and he knows it, his only grace is to bow out of this gracefully without losing any face an he knows it.

Russia needs to sell to the west otherwise it will lose money fast, so it is nothing as you seem to see it smelly, far from it.

Putin you will see in the end will end up spelling his own demise in Russia

sure pal

this sounds like another of your "Egypt will be better off now, you will see" prophesies

the sanctions wont hurt Russia because everyone knows you don't bite the hand that feeds, Russian trade with the EU is worth billions.

the euro zone is on the verge of economic collapse and they wont risk a double whammy of billions in revenue lost along with their gas supply

obama is a lame duck and all he can do is threaten empty threats

Didge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

took balls to send in seals to Pakistan who needs US aid and assistance??

it would take balls to do that in china or iran or NK, but Pakistan?? what repercussions will blow back onto America than America cant deal with??

Jesus you're thick

my point isn't about doing something about it, you mong

its there to simply show the imbalance in reaction

nuke test = no reaction

referendum = global uproar and sabre rattling galore

No it isn't fuck me Pakistan has nukes you dummy and could have turned nasty on this and no they do not need American aid, they use America for aid, thus again showing how utterly clueless you are.

So what about Nuke Tests, that is an utter no brainer point when such war of words have gone on for decades about it.

Blimey you come out with some right waffle

 ::smthg:: 

yeah sure

Pakistan is going to nuke America over killing OBL???

 ::smthg:: 

Didge wrote:

Tesstacious wrote:

Don't know if this is true or misinformation, but there's a twitter going round just now that the Ukranians have cut off the drinking water supply to the Crimea.  If this is true Putin will have no choice but to go in.  I'll wait and see though.

If they have, it is a clever move by the Ukranians, because if Russia invades, then it escalates.

Just confirmed, they have turned off the water, but only the agricultural water not drinking water. Not so urgent then but still causes difficulties. Definitely escalating, I'm 99% convinced the Russians will go in in the next few days. Def Sec Hagel has just now asked for an urgent phone call with the Soviet Defence Minister, so something's happening.

smelly_bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:



In your humble opinion he is, to me I think he is starting to crack and feel the pinch and will do so more with more sanctions which will start to get to the Russian people and the last thing he needs now is for the Russian people to be divided.

The EU is not shitting themselves, why would they be, you seem to give to much credit to what I can only describe as an idiot in Putin, who has gone too far this time and he knows it, his only grace is to bow out of this gracefully without losing any face an he knows it.

Russia needs to sell to the west otherwise it will lose money fast, so it is nothing as you seem to see it smelly, far from it.

Putin you will see in the end will end up spelling his own demise in Russia

sure pal

this sounds like another of your "Egypt will be better off now, you will see" prophesies

the sanctions wont hurt Russia because everyone knows you don't bite the hand that feeds, Russian trade with the EU is worth billions.

the euro zone is on the verge of economic collapse and they wont risk a double whammy of billions in revenue lost along with their gas supply

obama is a lame duck and all he can do is threaten empty threats

Yet more babble, the euro zone is recovering very well and they do not need to rely on trade with Russia, America has actually started to release Oil reserves to prove that Russia has nothing to gain from its resources.

Obama will be remembered as the man that got bin laden, people will not remember you

 ::D::

smelly_bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:


No it isn't fuck me Pakistan has nukes you dummy and could have turned nasty on this and no they do not need American aid, they use America for aid, thus again showing how utterly clueless you are.

So what about Nuke Tests, that is an utter no brainer point when such war of words have gone on for decades about it.

Blimey you come out with some right waffle

 ::smthg:: 

yeah sure

Pakistan is going to nuke America over killing OBL???

 ::smthg:: 

I never said they, I said they have Nukes 

DOH


Nice copout answer again smelly when you are stuck


ha ha ha

Tesstacious wrote:

Didge wrote:



If they have, it is a clever move by the Ukranians, because if Russia invades, then it escalates.

Just confirmed, they have turned off the water, but only the agricultural water not drinking water.  Not so urgent then but still causes difficulties.  Definitely escalating, I'm 99% convinced the Russians will go in in the next few days. Def Sec Hagel has just now asked for an urgent phone call with the Soviet Defence Minister, so something's happening.

Well my view is it will go to war, and at first the west will protest only lulling Putin into a false sense of security making him believe they will not do anything and then they will strike and hit him hard knocking out his ability to use most of his nukes, and most of his infrastructure.

Again the Americans are not idiots and as seen clearly they know far more than we do behind the scenes

Didge wrote:

Tesstacious wrote:
Just confirmed, they have turned off the water, but only the agricultural water not drinking water.  Not so urgent then but still causes difficulties.  Definitely escalating, I'm 99% convinced the Russians will go in in the next few days. Def Sec Hagel has just now asked for an urgent phone call with the Soviet Defence Minister, so something's happening.

Well my view is it will go to war, and at first the west will protest only lulling Putin into a false sense of security making him believe they will not do anything and then they will strike and hit him hard knocking out his ability to use most of his nukes, and most of his infrastructure.

Again the Americans are not idiots and as seen clearly they know far more than we do behind the scenes

There we'll agree to differ. I think Putin will do to Ukraine exactly what he's done in Crimea. Obama will huff and he'll puff but he won't knock any walls down! But I can't see the point of arguing about it; you've got your opinion, I've got mine. Time will tell who's right. Care to put a wager on it?   

Tesstacious wrote:

Didge wrote:



Well my view is it will go to war, and at first the west will protest only lulling Putin into a false sense of security making him believe they will not do anything and then they will strike and hit him hard knocking out his ability to use most of his nukes, and most of his infrastructure.

Again the Americans are not idiots and as seen clearly they know far more than we do behind the scenes

There we'll agree to differ.  I think Putin will do to Ukraine exactly what he's done in Crimea.  Obama will huff and he'll puff but he won't knock any walls down!  But I can't see the point of arguing about it; you've got your opinion, I've got mine.  Time will tell who's right.  Care to put a wager on it?    

Sure am up for a wager......

Jut been reading up on the resources part and to be honest Russia are screwed if Obama plays a trump card, their own gas reserves and stepping up exports. It is now in a very strong position to flood the market with exporting gas, as fracking will make America overtake Saudi Arabia as the world’s top supplier of hydrocarbons, with all the extra clout that will bring in 6 years. Ten years after that, it will be completely self-sufficient. Thus if America ramp up production, which funnily enough it has and starts exporting more of this gas, it would send world prices to the floor, which would not only hurt the Kremlin, but the oligarchs who support Putin.


As I say Obama holds all the aces here and in reality, Putin is playing a bad game of bluffing, one he will lose

Putin has accused the US/NATO of having an agenda, of encroaching towards his borders, and this has been scoffed at here. Well, I found this article from five years ago:

U.S. efforts in Romania and Bulgaria are part of a global redeployment strategy started in the early years of the Bush administration to shift U.S. forces out of Germany and move them eastward.” “The number of US military men at the two bases is not going to be large, but who can say that it will not be doubled, tripped or quadrupled in the future? Furthermore, the appearance of NATO bases on the Black Sea coast will come as an addition to the US military [deployments] in the Baltic region. As a result, Russia will find itself trapped.”

...But his main focus was on two related subjects, both with Russia as prime antagonist. On the first topic Rasmussen asserted:

“Energy security is [an] emerging challenge. Indeed, many countries…have already felt the effects of disruption in energy supply, and in the next few years, the competition for energy will only get more intense. This means that we need to think about how to protect our supply lines, our transit routes, and our critical infrastructure.”

His allusion was to collective NATO-U.S.-EU efforts to “lessen Europe’s energy dependency” on Russia and to continue developing alternative routes for Caspian Sea and Middle East oil to enter Europe by circumventing Russia (and Iran). What, if the situation were reversed, would be condemned in Western capitals as an energy war.

http://rickrozoff.wordpress.com/2009/10/25/bulgaria-romania-u-s-nato-bases-for-war-in-the-east/

Like I said Tess, if America ramps up exports, it will hurt the Russians bad and take the EU doing more in business with the US instead.

Tesstacious wrote:

Didge wrote:



Well my view is it will go to war, and at first the west will protest only lulling Putin into a false sense of security making him believe they will not do anything and then they will strike and hit him hard knocking out his ability to use most of his nukes, and most of his infrastructure.

Again the Americans are not idiots and as seen clearly they know far more than we do behind the scenes

There we'll agree to differ.  I think Putin will do to Ukraine exactly what he's done in Crimea.  Obama will huff and he'll puff but he won't knock any walls down!  But I can't see the point of arguing about it; you've got your opinion, I've got mine.  Time will tell who's right.  Care to put a wager on it?    

That's interesting Tess. Because in the thread title you accuse Obama of wanting to start WW3. Now you are saying he wont actually DO anything; but you acknowledge Putin probably will invade Ukraine- now who of the two then would seem determined to start a war of any kind?

Eilzel wrote:

Tesstacious wrote:
There we'll agree to differ.  I think Putin will do to Ukraine exactly what he's done in Crimea.  Obama will huff and he'll puff but he won't knock any walls down!  But I can't see the point of arguing about it; you've got your opinion, I've got mine.  Time will tell who's right.  Care to put a wager on it?    

That's interesting Tess. Because in the thread title you accuse Obama of wanting to start WW3. Now you are saying he wont actually DO anything; but you acknowledge Putin probably will invade Ukraine- now who of the two then would seem determined to start a war of any kind?

You didn't read the post right. I didn't say he won't DO anything, I said (or meant) he won't win, because other countries just won't fall in behind him - too much to lose.

Tesstacious wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

That's interesting Tess. Because in the thread title you accuse Obama of wanting to start WW3. Now you are saying he wont actually DO anything; but you acknowledge Putin probably will invade Ukraine- now who of the two then would seem determined to start a war of any kind?

You didn't read the post right.  I didn't say he won't DO anything, I said (or meant) he won't win, because other countries just won't fall in behind him - too much to lose.

You were quite poetic in your post to be fair Tess haha 'he'll huff and puff'; I took it to mean he will talk the talk but not walk the walk   

Didge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

sure pal

this sounds like another of your "Egypt will be better off now, you will see" prophesies

the sanctions wont hurt Russia because everyone knows you don't bite the hand that feeds, Russian trade with the EU is worth billions.

the euro zone is on the verge of economic collapse and they wont risk a double whammy of billions in revenue lost along with their gas supply

obama is a lame duck and all he can do is threaten empty threats

Yet more babble, the euro zone is recovering very well and they do not need to rely on trade with Russia, America has actually started to release Oil reserves to prove that Russia has nothing to gain from its resources.

Obama will be remembered as the man that got bin laden, people will not remember you

 ::D::

 ::smthg:: 

obama will be remembered as the first BLACK American president

Eilzel wrote:

Tesstacious wrote:
You didn't read the post right.  I didn't say he won't DO anything, I said (or meant) he won't win, because other countries just won't fall in behind him - too much to lose.

You were quite poetic in your post to be fair Tess haha 'he'll huff and puff'; I took it to mean he will talk the talk but not walk the walk   

I try to be too sarcastic for my own good - it was an allusion to Didge's source of all information - the Huffington Post.   

Didge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

sure pal

this sounds like another of your "Egypt will be better off now, you will see" prophesies

the sanctions wont hurt Russia because everyone knows you don't bite the hand that feeds, Russian trade with the EU is worth billions.

the euro zone is on the verge of economic collapse and they wont risk a double whammy of billions in revenue lost along with their gas supply

obama is a lame duck and all he can do is threaten empty threats

Yet more babble, the euro zone is recovering very well and they do not need to rely on trade with Russia,

 ::D::

Well Germany disagrees with you for one Didge. Can't find the post, but Germany's government are at loggerheads over this and it's causing Merkel a heap of trouble.

Didge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

 ::smthg:: 

yeah sure

Pakistan is going to nuke America over killing OBL???

 ::smthg:: 

I never said they, I said they have Nukes 

DOH


Nice copout answer again smelly when you are stuck


ha ha ha

"I never said they, I said they have Nukes

DOH"

classic didge

so what they have nukes??

who doesn't have nukes nowadays??

there was never any credible threat from Pakistan over the OBL killing, so there wasn't any need for "balls" to send in Seals on a kill mission.

even if those seals failed and were captured by Pakistan, they would have been sent straight back to the US and the US would have looked a bit foolish end of story

what repercussions have there been?? none

it was always a win win for obama

if the seals succeeded then OBL is dead

if they failed, the world would have forgiven him for trying at least

minimal political risk versus huge political reward

hardly requires large amounts of bravery

Didge wrote:

Tesstacious wrote:
There we'll agree to differ.  I think Putin will do to Ukraine exactly what he's done in Crimea.  Obama will huff and he'll puff but he won't knock any walls down!  But I can't see the point of arguing about it; you've got your opinion, I've got mine.  Time will tell who's right.  Care to put a wager on it?    

Sure am up for a wager......

whats the bet??

im happy to bet my account on here if you are??

loser disappears and doesn't come back??

but lest get the terms down in writing first

Tesstacious wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

You were quite poetic in your post to be fair Tess haha 'he'll huff and puff'; I took it to mean he will talk the talk but not walk the walk   

I try to be too sarcastic for my own good - it was an allusion to Didge's source of all information - the Huffington Post.    

Actually my source was the Telegraph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10680902/America-has-a-new-weapon-to-use-against-Russia-the-E-Bomb.html


Opps

smelly_bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:



Sure am up for a wager......

whats the bet??

im happy to bet my account on here if you are??

loser disappears and doesn't come back??

but lest get the terms down in writing first

I would not want you to leave smelly where would the fun be..also its proves how afraid you are of me to debate ha ha ha ha ha


I suggest the loser has to make a formal declaration they were wrong, so happy again to take the bet,

Tesstacious wrote:

Didge wrote:


Yet more babble, the euro zone is recovering very well and they do not need to rely on trade with Russia,

 ::D::

Well Germany disagrees with you for one Didge.  Can't find the post, but Germany's government are at loggerheads over this and it's causing Merkel a heap of trouble.

Germany is one nation of the EU, that really is not a valid view to say all the EU is

Going back to the thread title: Obama's latest today -

26 April...

Obama reminds North Korea of U.S. "military might"





Not warmongering?  Really?