Is Obama determined to start WW3?

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US President Barack Obama has accused Russia of flouting a deal on Ukraine.

Mr Obama told a news conference in Japan that Moscow had failed to halt actions by militants in the region and warned that the US could impose further sanctions against Russia.

A contingent of US troops has begun landing in Poland for military exercises amid concerns among Nato's eastern members about Russian intentions.

Moscow has said it will respond to any attack on its interests in Ukraine.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-27139190

That follows his pledge to the Japanese to support them regarding some disputed islands if China attack them, which isn't going down at all well with China!

As seen his comments were not very accurate on the history of the region, maybe on elections with the US, yes, but he also missed how Russia used military intervention in Georgia but thanks for your comments Shady, as usual worthless and just grovelling!

Ta

Didge wrote:As seen his comments were not very accurate on the history of the region, maybe on elections, he also missed how Russia used ,military intervention in Georgia but thanks for your comments Shady, as usual worthless and just grovelling!

Ta

Hilarious as you've just reinforced your title of site idiot by another 10 degrees.

Don't you realize that everyone laughs at you behind your back because of the shit you post?

Ciao,laters,priceless......hilarious.

Shady wrote:

Didge wrote:As seen his comments were not very accurate on the history of the region, maybe on elections, he also missed how Russia used ,military intervention in Georgia but thanks for your comments Shady, as usual worthless and just grovelling!

Ta

Hilarious as you've just reinforced your title of site idiot by another 10 degrees.

Don't you realize that everyone laughs at you behind your back because of the shit you post?

Ciao,laters,priceless......hilarious.

Yes thanks again for your irrelevant post, not really concerned about xenophobes laughing at me, when most posters are decent and actually laugh at you, the macho man ha ha ha

So you and others can laugh all you like, that does not counter my points does it Comrade Shady, who claims to be a patriot, so far up Putin's arse I do not know where you begin and he starts

Run along you little He-Man

You

Didge wrote:

Shady wrote:

Hilarious as you've just reinforced your title of site idiot by another 10 degrees.

Don't you realize that everyone laughs at you behind your back because of the shit you post?

Ciao,laters,priceless......hilarious.

Yes thanks again for your irrelevant post, not really concerned about xenophobes laughing at me, when most posters are decent and actually laugh at you, the macho man ha ha ha

So you and others can laugh all you like, that does not counter my points does it Comrade Shady, who claims to be a patriot, so far up Putin's arse I do not know where you begin and he starts

Run along you little He-Man

You

Come on Didge give us a couple more one liners then we'll all PM each other & laugh our tits off at you.

Shady wrote:

Didge wrote:


Yes thanks again for your irrelevant post, not really concerned about xenophobes laughing at me, when most posters are decent and actually laugh at you, the macho man ha ha ha

So you and others can laugh all you like, that does not counter my points does it Comrade Shady, who claims to be a patriot, so far up Putin's arse I do not know where you begin and he starts

Run along you little He-Man

You

Come on Didge give us a couple more one liners then we'll all PM each other & laugh our tits off at you.

Even funnier, that you just have proved you have a little gang and thus cannot fight your own courner.

Are you the President on the dummy club then, is smelly your Drummer boy?



Ha Ha Ha

Didge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:Irrelevant in the face of one thing the people there NOW want to be Russian

A referendum was held and the Crimea reunified with mother Russia comrade

How many teddies do you HAVE in that cot didge??

All the people of Ukraine, who were left out of it by force, who do you have?

So not irrelevant after all, as seen it was annexed and Ukraine had no say because it was Putin throwing his dummy out over a pro European Ukraine to a very much demographically changed Crimea as it once used to be, which.
Again you have no argument, your argument, backs the view of Germany annexing Austria, the Sudetentland and Czechoslovakia.

key phrase in that??

Crimea as it once used to be

Didge wrote:

Shady wrote:

Come on Didge give us a couple more one liners then we'll all PM each other & laugh our tits off at you.

Even funnier, that you just have proved you have a little gang and thus cannot fight your own courner.

Are you the President on the dummy club then, is smelly your Drummer boy?



Ha Ha Ha

Are you the President on the dummy club then, is smelly your Drummer boy?

shady stand by for a PM and a LAUGH!!!!!

smelly_bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:


All the people of Ukraine, who were left out of it by force, who do you have?

So not irrelevant after all, as seen it was annexed and Ukraine had no say because it was Putin throwing his dummy out over a pro European Ukraine to a very much demographically changed Crimea as it once used to be, which.
Again you have no argument, your argument, backs the view of Germany annexing Austria, the Sudetentland and Czechoslovakia.

key phrase in that??

Crimea as it once used to be

You mean majority populated by the Tartars then?

Again you back the view of German to take by force annexing Austria, the Sudetentland and Czechoslovakia, as it is the same thing, you are thus an apologist for them doing the same and would also advocate an view for England to annex Scotland is it voted for independence showing how absurd your view point is.

smelly_bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:


Even funnier, that you just have proved you have a little gang and thus cannot fight your own courner.

Are you the President on the dummy club then, is smelly your Drummer boy?



Ha Ha Ha

Are you the President on the dummy club then, is smelly your Drummer boy?

shady stand by for a PM and a LAUGH!!!!!

Thanks for proving my point again, a little girlie gang that need to coordinate posts, which makes me very happy, that they cannot formulate anything on their own, that they need to club together.
Hoe embarrassing for them.
What are you going to confer, which handbag to use smelly?


  

Didge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

key phrase in that??

Crimea as it once used to be

You mean majority populated by the Tartars then?

Again you back the view of German to take by force annexing Austria, the Sudetentland and Czechoslovakia, as it is the same thing, you are thus an apologist for them doing the same and would also advocate an view for England to annex Scotland is it voted for independence showing how absurd your view point is.

slightly different situation though isn't it didge

Russia has no invasion force in Ukraine or Crimea

so its all been done at the ballot box and the wishes of the Crimean people have been heard loud and strong

Russia are the only ones respecting the desire for these people to have their own identity

perhaps if they were Muslim and called themselves Palestinian instead of Russian you would be supporting them

New round of Western sanction against Russia will target seven individuals and 17 companies. They are meant to affect Moscow’s stance over the ongoing Ukrainian crisis.

The individuals listed by the US Department of Treasury on Monday include Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Kozak, chair of the parliamentary commission on Foreign Affairs, Aleksey Pushkov, chief of presidential office, Vyacheslav Volodin, and Igor Sechin, the head of Rosneft oil company.

The list of sanctioned companies, which Washington believes to be “linked to Putin’s inner circle,” includes several banks, construction and transport companies.

The Volga Group, an investment vehicle that manages assets on behalf of the businessman, Gennady Timchenko, and SMP Bank, whose main shareholders were affected by the previous set of US sanctions, are among those to face restrictive measures.

Oil and gas engineering company, Stroytransgaz, and one of Russia’s biggest rail transporters of oil, Transoil, are also among the companies affected by the sanctions.

The US Department of Commerce has introduced additional restrictions on 13 of those companies by imposing a license requirement with a presumption of denial for the export, re-export or other foreign transfer of US-originating items to the companies.

Later in the day, Washington announced a tightened policy to deny export license applications for any high-technology items that could contribute to Russia’s military capabilities.

But the US may move even further and impose sanctions against specific branches of the Russian economy if Moscow begins a military operation in Ukraine, Jay Carney, White House spokesman, said.

The announcement of a new round of US sanctions against Russia is “revolting” as they go against the way civilized states should communicate, Sergey Ryabkov, Russia’s deputy foreign minister, said.

“We will respond, although it is not our choice,” Ryabkov is cited as saying by Itar-Tass news agency. “But we can’t leave this situation without reaction, without practical reaction, without reaction by means of our own decisions. US behavior in the field is becoming provocative.”

According to the deputy FM, the American decision stems from a “distorted and groundless” assumption on the state of affairs in Ukraine.

Obama said the US and its allies would keep broader sanctions “in reserve” in the event of further escalation on the ground in Ukraine. He admitted that he was uncertain whether the latest round of measures would be effective.

“The goal is not to go after Mr. Putin personally; the goal is to change his calculus, to encourage him to walk the walk, not just talk the talk" on diplomacy to resolve the crisis, Obama said in Manila during a trip to Asia.

As the US pushes for more sanctions against Russia, EU members have preliminary agreed to also impose asset freezes and visa bans on 15 more people. The names of those to be added to the list will not be made public until they are published in the EU's Official Journal on Tuesday, Reuters reported citing an unnamed diplomat source. However, Many Europeans opposed anti-Russian sanctions, which would target the economy as opposed to individuals close to the Russian leadership, since economic sanctions would hurt European economies as well as that of Russia. The US, being economically tied with Russia to a much lesser degree than Europe, says it would not impose economic sanctions unilaterally.

“I would be very surprised if all European countries found a common position on economic sanctions,” Thierry Mariani, a member of the French National Assembly, told RT. “When one country says ‘we don’t speak about finance’… and some other country says ‘we don’t speak about energy,’ then we don’t speak about anything. That’s why we arrive unfortunately [at] personal sanctions, which are completely nonsense.”

Canada has also imposed sanctions on two Russian banks and nine individuals, Prime Minister Stephen Harper said in a statement announcing the measures on Monday. Harper's office did not immediately provide names.

The Russian leadership has thus far brushed off the threat of sanctions as ineffectual, arguing they might in fact buoy the Russian economy in the long term.

“Overreliance can lead to a loss of sovereignty,” Russian President Vladimir Putin said at a media forum in St Petersburg on Thursday.

Western-led sanctions have several advantages for Russia, Putin said.

Putin said the threat of real economic sanctions is already bolstering domestic businesses, bringing more offshore funds back to Russia, and giving policymakers the push they need to establish a domestic payment system.

His comments echo sentiments made by Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev last week, who similarly argued that further sanctions would only make Russia stronger.

“Thanks to Western sanctions, Russia has been given the incentive to reduce its dependence on outside and instead regional economies are being more self-sufficient," Medvedev said April 22.

Medvedev said any restrictions on Russian goods to the EU or US would serve to redirect Russian exports to Asian markets, which are more robust.

http://rt.com/news/155316-obama-sanctions-putin-calculus/

exactly what i said would happen

Medvedev said any restrictions on Russian goods to the EU or US would serve to redirect Russian exports to Asian markets, which are more robust.

smelly_bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:


You mean majority populated by the Tartars then?

Again you back the view of German to take by force annexing Austria, the Sudetentland and Czechoslovakia, as it is the same thing, you are thus an apologist for them doing the same and would also advocate an view for England to annex Scotland is it voted for independence showing how absurd your view point is.

slightly different situation though isn't it didge

Russia has no invasion force in Ukraine or Crimea

so its all been done at the ballot box and the wishes of the Crimean people have been heard loud and strong

Russia are the only ones respecting the desire for these people to have their own identity

perhaps if they were Muslim and called themselves Palestinian instead of Russian you would be supporting them

Eh?

Russia how army units in the Crimea and sent more and there is an argument from you that they should be able to have Ukraine, Germany used the same arguments on Austria, Poland etc as former territories, so again you know little of your history. The ballot box excluded the people of Ukraine in the vote, so no is not respecting anyone at all smelly except ethnic Russians.


As to Palestine, I support both Israel and Palestine to have nations, unlike you of course


Again you cannot refute my points this is exactly what Germany did also, or would you like another lesson in history?

Again Stalin changed the demographics of the Crimea, something also lost on you and are whipping up and supporting militants in now eastern Ukraine

Crimea is Russia now

so any Russian troops there are within Russian borders

 ::happ:: 

smelly_bandit wrote:Crimea is Russia now

so any Russian troops there are within Russian borders

 ::happ:: 

Is it Russian, who has confirmed and recognised this, which nations?

Didge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:Crimea is Russia now

so any Russian troops there are within Russian borders

 ::happ:: 

Is it Russian, who has confirmed and recognised this, which nations?

the Russians and the people of Crimea

the Crimean right to self determination is guaranteed under international law

international law recognizes this choice which they have made

same as the Falklands

same as Gibraltar

same as Scotland

same as south Sudan

smelly_bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:

Is it Russian, who has confirmed and recognised this, which nations?

the Russians and the people of Crimea

the Crimean right to self determination is guaranteed under international law

international law recognizes this choice which they have made

same as the Falklands

same as Gibraltar

same as Scotland

same as south Sudan

What about the rights of the Ukrainians, you are thus saying, even though Crimea has been part of the Ukraine their views do not matter, even though there was no problem before only until after a Government change then.
International law does not recognise the referendum, because Ukraine was not involved.
That though does not deflect away from your point you think Putin should also have Ukraine does it.

Didge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

the Russians and the people of Crimea

the Crimean right to self determination is guaranteed under international law

international law recognizes this choice which they have made

same as the Falklands

same as Gibraltar

same as Scotland

same as south Sudan

What about the rights of the Ukrainians, you are thus saying, even though Crimea has been part of the Ukraine their views do not matter, even though there was no problem before only until after a Government change then.
International law does not recognise the referendum, because Ukraine was not involved.
That though does not deflect away from your point you think Putin should also have Ukraine does it.

Scotland has been part of the united kingdom for ages so unless all the people in Cornwall England and wales have a referendum on Scotland future Scotland isn't allowed to make their own destiny without consulting everyone else that will be affected is what you are saying

smelly_bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:


What about the rights of the Ukrainians, you are thus saying, even though Crimea has been part of the Ukraine their views do not matter, even though there was no problem before only until after a Government change then.
International law does not recognise the referendum, because Ukraine was not involved.
That though does not deflect away from your point you think Putin should also have Ukraine does it.

Scotland has been part of the united kingdom for ages so unless all the people in Cornwall England and wales have a referendum on Scotland future Scotland isn't allowed to make their own destiny without consulting everyone else that will be affected is what you are saying

Very different and again no comparison, Russia imposed a referendum without Ukraine having any say, with a territory part of the Ukraine. Scotland had to have approval to have a referendum did it not from the British Government, so thanks for proving my point, Ukraine had no say.

oh yes of course its "different"

funny old thing

hey a message from putin has just come through for you

I see smelly have given up the argument


Hey ho

there is no argumnet to have

the population of Crimea were given a referendum and they CHOSE to reunite with Russia

your argument is that they don't have the right to self determination

Ukraine doesn't count since Ukraine wasn't being asked

i don't really care what your opinion is

the fact is that Crimea is now part of Russia secured by the might of the Russian military, and i seriously doubt Putin gives a shit about your crying your little eyes out,stamping your feet tantrum

you can carry on shouting into the wilderness that it isn't fair

but thats just life kiddo, sometimes things don't go the way you want

and when you've been knocked down what really matters is how you get up and try again

chin up didge its not the end of the world

You are right that is no argument and you prove it by the Scottish comparison, Ukraine did not decide on a referendum, Russia did, that is not the case for the Scottish one


Thank for debunking your own argument


By the way Crimea is now independant but not ratified by the majority of the world, showing how little you know

smelly_bandit wrote:there is no argumnet to have

the population of Crimea were given a referendum and they CHOSE to reunite with Russia

your argument is that they don't have the right to self determination  

Ukraine doesn't count since Ukraine wasn't being asked

i don't really care what your opinion is

the fact is that Crimea is now part of Russia secured by the might of the Russian military, and i seriously doubt Putin gives a shit about your crying your little eyes out,stamping your feet tantrum

you can carry on shouting into the wilderness that it isn't fair

but thats just life kiddo, sometimes things don't go the way you want  

and when you've been knocked down what really matters is how you get up and try again

chin up didge its not the end of the world

Go easy on him Smelly.....I fear he's heading for another of his break downs & dramatic site departures.

You know? When he says goodbye for about 5 days in 6000 posts,calls us all racists & comes back with a new username.

" Is Obama determined to start WW3?"

Hell, the right-wing American stupids are mad as hell that Obama has NOT started WW3.

Shady wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:there is no argumnet to have

the population of Crimea were given a referendum and they CHOSE to reunite with Russia

your argument is that they don't have the right to self determination  

Ukraine doesn't count since Ukraine wasn't being asked

i don't really care what your opinion is

the fact is that Crimea is now part of Russia secured by the might of the Russian military, and i seriously doubt Putin gives a shit about your crying your little eyes out,stamping your feet tantrum

you can carry on shouting into the wilderness that it isn't fair

but thats just life kiddo, sometimes things don't go the way you want  

and when you've been knocked down what really matters is how you get up and try again

chin up didge its not the end of the world

Go easy on him Smelly.....I fear he's heading for another of his break downs & dramatic site departures.

You know? When he says goodbye for about 5 days in 6000 posts,calls us all racists & comes back with a new username.

It seems you are the one wound up mate, who needs to PM other posters, I find that hilarious and comical that you need back up as you do again now here.


Never mind, you going to imagine being off training in Borneo again ha ha ha ha

Lurker wrote:" Is Obama determined to start WW3?"

Hell, the right-wing American stupids are mad as hell that Obama has NOT started WW3.

Good afternoon Lurker.

One could argue that WW3 started years ago when the yanks constantly attacked the Muslims,so much so that they hit back with various attacks such as 9/11 & 7/7.

It's called the war on terrorism but really it's a global war when we consider the world wide effect the Islamic threat has had.

Didge wrote:

Shady wrote:

Go easy on him Smelly.....I fear he's heading for another of his break downs & dramatic site departures.

You know? When he says goodbye for about 5 days in 6000 posts,calls us all racists & comes back with a new username.

It seems you are the one wound up mate, who needs to PM other posters, I find that hilarious and comical that you need back up as you do again now here.


Never mind, you going to imagine being off training in Borneo again ha ha ha ha

You failed to tell me why you stormed off last time.Go on Didge...please tell me.

You know I won't laugh.

Shady wrote:

Lurker wrote:" Is Obama determined to start WW3?"

Hell, the right-wing American stupids are mad as hell that Obama has NOT started WW3.

Good afternoon Lurker.

One could argue that WW3 started years ago when the yanks constantly attacked the Muslims,so much so that they hit back with various attacks such as 9/11 & 7/7.

It's called the war on terrorism but really it's a global war when we consider the world wide effect the Islamic threat has had.

One could argue there is no such thing as WW3 and that people are deluding themselves in the first place or imagining we are also at war with a religion and not extremists, all created by poor policies in the first place.
Some people clearly think in the same mentality of the 11th century, instead of a Pope though calling for a crusade we just now have Shady

Didge wrote:

Shady wrote:

Good afternoon Lurker.

One could argue that WW3 started years ago when the yanks constantly attacked the Muslims,so much so that they hit back with various attacks such as 9/11 & 7/7.

It's called the war on terrorism but really it's a global war when we consider the world wide effect the Islamic threat has had.

One could argue there is no such thing as WW3 and that people are deluding themselves in the first place or imagining we are also at war with a religion and not extremists, all created by poor policies in the first place.
Some people clearly think in the same mentality of the 11th century, instead of a Pope though calling for a crusade we just now have Shady

Everyones laughing at you.

Shady wrote:

Didge wrote:


It seems you are the one wound up mate, who needs to PM other posters, I find that hilarious and comical that you need back up as you do again now here.


Never mind, you going to imagine being off training in Borneo again ha ha ha ha

You failed to tell me why you stormed off last time.Go on Didge...please tell me.

You know I won't laugh.

You mean you have not conducted an investigation by PM, because I have you so wound up Shady?


Mate, please continue proving how wound up you really are, flex your muscles some more and claim to be out training in Borneo doing so, that one was a beauty by the way, I picked up on what you were trying to claim, though others missed it.

So guess you will never know shady, does that piss you off even more?


  

Shady wrote:

Didge wrote:


One could argue there is no such thing as WW3 and that people are deluding themselves in the first place or imagining we are also at war with a religion and not extremists, all created by poor policies in the first place.
Some people clearly think in the same mentality of the 11th century, instead of a Pope though calling for a crusade we just now have Shady

Everyones laughing at you.

Happy if any are shady.

Didge wrote:

Shady wrote:

You failed to tell me why you stormed off last time.Go on Didge...please tell me.

You know I won't laugh.

You mean you have not conducted an investigation by PM, because I have you so wound up Shady?


Mate, please continue proving how wound up you really are, flex your muscles some more and claim to be out training in Borneo doing so, that one was a beauty by the way, I picked up on what you were trying to claim, though others missed it.

So guess you will never know shady, does that piss you off even more?


  

Why did you leave Didge? What happened? Was it that bad?

Shady wrote:

Didge wrote:

You mean you have not conducted an investigation by PM, because I have you so wound up Shady?


Mate, please continue proving how wound up you really are, flex your muscles some more and claim to be out training in Borneo doing so, that one was a beauty by the way, I picked up on what you were trying to claim, though others missed it.

So guess you will never know shady, does that piss you off even more?


  

Why did you leave Didge? What happened? Was it that bad?

Nothing bad shady, thanks for your concern, why do you disappear all the time, are you on the run?

Didge wrote:

Shady wrote:

Why did you leave Didge? What happened? Was it that bad?

Nothing bad shady, thanks for your concern, why do you disappear all the time, are you on the run?

Why did you leave?

Shady wrote:

Didge wrote:


Nothing bad shady, thanks for your concern, why do you disappear all the time, are you on the run?

Why did you leave?

My own reasons, why are you on the run?


I do enjoy are little games, anything else.??

Didge wrote:

Shady wrote:

Why did you leave?

My own reasons, why are you on the run?


I do enjoy are little games, anything else.??

Your own reasons? Were they anything to do with your comments in the Thinking Deeply section?

Shady wrote:

Didge wrote:


My own reasons, why are you on the run?


I do enjoy are little games, anything else.??

Your own reasons? Were they anything to do with your comments in the Thinking Deeply section?

Odd, you are asking me something you seem to think you know, bit irrelevant to ask me, but the answer is no it was not that .

So why are you on the run all the time?

Have you engaged in something perverse?

Didge wrote:

Shady wrote:

Your own reasons? Were they anything to do with your comments in the Thinking Deeply section?

Odd, you are asking me something you seem to think you know, bit irrelevant to ask me, but the answer is no it was not that .

So why are you on the run all the time?

Have you engaged in something perverse?

But it was that wasn't it Didge? Those sad unfortunate things that happened sometime ago.But why take it out on us? Instead,maybe you should search your own feelings which may explain your aggressive nature towards so many posters.

Speak to your family about it Didge.

The baby-faced boy waited patiently for his turn at the small ice cream shop, his Kalashnikov balanced precariously over his shoulder. The rifle was pointed down and his hand occasionally cupped the muzzle, far from the proper way to carry a gun.

He stood just a few inches taller than the wafer cones stacked high on the side of the freezer. When it was finally his turn, he ordered cherry and pistachio ice cream in a waffle cone.

His soft, light brown hair was mostly pulled back by a green-and-black kaffiyeh, revealing a pre-pubescent face without even a hint of facial hair. He said he was a fighter with the Suqoor al Sham group, a member of the Islamic Front, and fought on the front lines nearby.

He didn't hesitate when asked his birth date.

''1989,'' he said, putting him at the improbable age of 24 or 25.

''You made yourself older than me,'' said a fellow child fighter, who looked several years older but still well shy of his professed age of 19.

The older boy also carried his Kalashnikov like an amateur: muzzle pointed toward his feet, finger on the trigger.

It was clear that they lacked the sense of entitlement of many rebels, who demand immediate service and priority, whether it be at the bakery bread line or in the hospital's emergency room: They stood quietly until those before them had been served.

The younger boy had yet to acquire the steely, hard stare of other children here - those who had seen too much, spent time on the front lines, or worked the dusty streets selling cigarettes or candy bars.

As he stood for a few hastily shot photos, he briefly puckered his lips as if flirting with the camera.

'LOST GENERATION'

Syrians talk about a ''lost generation'' of their children, an innocence stolen in the three-year conflict between opposition forces and the government of Bashar Assad:

A boy simultaneously holding a rifle and an ice cream cone. Kids clambering on top of demolished tanks, hanging off the guns, as a replacement for play areas now destroyed. Children who once knew of weaponry only in plastic form now stiffening at the sound of approaching aircraft, able to distinguish between the noise of warplanes and military helicopters, of mortar rounds and rockets.

Even in their absence, images speak to young lives interrupted: SpongeBob SquarePants pillowcases and beloved stuffed animals left behind in homes converted to rebel dens or bomb workshops. Colorful notebooks, once for school, now used to plan military operations or run local administrative councils. Classes, after all, are held intermittently, if at all.

And in the country's cemeteries, there are too many tiny graves to count.

In one cemetery in Aleppo, a group of children recently took it upon themselves to tend to the 2-week-old grave of their father, a rebel fighter killed in clashes.


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At first glance it appeared as if they were playing and making a muddy mess: They opened 2-litre bottles of water and stuck them into the dirt, letting the water seep into the ground. Using a stick, they made careful figures in the mud.

But, as one of the sons explained, they were watering the plot in hope that the small yellow flowers growing wild throughout the cemetery would bloom quickly over their father's grave.

'THEIR CHILDHOOD HAS GONE'

This is a country where, in some towns and villages, women rely on male relatives to run errands. Now, with many of the men gone to fight on the front lines, they have come to depend on children for such tasks.

''We have become reliant much more on kids like that,'' said Fatima Karj, indicating her 9-year-old son standing in the doorway of her in-laws' house in an Aleppo suburb. ''But this is not a good thing.''

Above them the sound of a warplane got louder, and then the distinct swoosh of an approaching rocket. As her mother-in-law jumped up and ran into the hall, Karj bent forward, bracing for the impact and instinctively put her hand on her daughter's back, providing comfort but no protection.

The mother of four said, ''Their childhood has gone.''

PLAYING 'CROSSING'

Even children's play has been transformed by the war.

They act out clashes between rebel and government forces using pretend guns, mortars and antitank weapons.

Mohammad Shoosheh, 11, said the games are always preceded with bickering because none of his friends - most of whom have fathers or brothers in the rebel forces - want to play the government soldiers.

''The game ends with victory for the Free Syrian Army,'' said Mohammad, whose father is a fighter with the rebels' al-Tawhid Brigade.

One of their favorite games is ''crossing,'' a child's version of the crossing that links opposition- and government-controlled neighbourhoods of Aleppo, where a government sniper shoots several civilians each day.

''When we get together to play, someone stands on top of the roof,'' he said matter-of-factly. ''And then the rest of us pretend like we are running across the crossing and try not to get shot.''


http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/9985416/In-Syria-war-woven-into-childhood/

Eh??????????????????????

Didge wrote:Eh??????????????????????

We are talking about wars aren't we?

BigAndy9 wrote:

Didge wrote:Eh??????????????????????

We are talking about wars aren't we?

Oh dear someone is upset, ha ha

Yes we are talking about possible wars and thanks for your post

Didge wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:

We are talking about wars aren't we?

Oh dear someone is upset, ha ha

Yes we are talking about possible wars and thanks for your post

You're very welcome   

Not upset - making my point   

BigAndy9 wrote:

Didge wrote:


Oh dear someone is upset, ha ha

Yes we are talking about possible wars and thanks for your post

You're very welcome     

Not upset - making my point     

Odd as you never even made one on the Syrian conflict


Let us know when you do

Didge wrote:Sorry Veya you are yet again very wrong, most of the people originally from the Crimea were displaced by Stalin, before, during and after WW2, the Cossack and Tartars for one

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_transfer_in_the_Soviet_Union


Again though, Russia has no right to because now it has more ethnic Russians, live in Crimea and Putin force a vote without all of Ukraine voting when it was part of the Ukraine, sorry that is absurd Veya.
So historically you are wrong and demographically you are wrong
Also they are arguing that Russia should be able to take Ukraine also.
Also again it is a a view point the Germans used to annex lands, how is that having a point exactly Veya, or do not the Ukrainians matter in any of this?
Blimey I think England should annex America and Australia and bring those colonials back into check eh?


  

Nup You are VERY WRONG
And the Ukraine Under the Tsars (200 years before Stalin) made the Cossack Nations Russian. the Ukraine has been shifted between Russian and Polish hands for the better part of a Millennia. You Make It sound Like Russians are even 1 people they are not they are many Races, One of them the Cossacks Make up are large part of the Ukraine Population.


AND ENGLAND is Welcome to Try!!!
You Also Miss the Point that this is not uncommon, Tibet is now part of China, Taiwan maybe soon too. SO where was the Magical RIGHTS that kept the Tibetans in Charge of Tibet??? Rights are what you can take or what someone will give you, and No one is in a position to tell the Ukrainians they have rights but Russia!!!
What Was the US Right to Invade ANYWHERE in the Middle East what was the Right to Put Israel back on the Map. RIGHTS!!! laughable when you are talking about International Politics and War.
 :asboredas: 
Russia Invading Ukraine is 100 time more 'Just' than the USA invading Iraq, Geographically there is Absolutely no question about the FACT.

veya_victaous wrote:

Didge wrote:Sorry Veya you are yet again very wrong, most of the people originally from the Crimea were displaced by Stalin, before, during and after WW2, the Cossack and Tartars for one

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_transfer_in_the_Soviet_Union


Again though, Russia has no right to because now it has more ethnic Russians, live in Crimea and Putin force a vote without all of Ukraine voting when it was part of the Ukraine, sorry that is absurd Veya.
So historically you are wrong and demographically you are wrong
Also they are arguing that Russia should be able to take Ukraine also.
Also again it is a a view point the Germans used to annex lands, how is that having a point exactly Veya, or do not the Ukrainians matter in any of this?
Blimey I think England should annex America and Australia and bring those colonials back into check eh?


  

Nup You are VERY WRONG
And the Ukraine Under the Tsars (200 years before Stalin) made the Cossack Nations Russian. the Ukraine has been shifted between Russian and Polish hands for the better part of a Millennia.  You Make It sound Like Russians are even 1 people they are not they are many Races, One of them the Cossacks Make up are large part of the Ukraine Population.


AND ENGLAND is Welcome to Try!!!
You Also Miss the Point that this is not uncommon, Tibet is now part of China,  Taiwan maybe soon too. SO where was the Magical RIGHTS that kept the Tibetans in Charge of Tibet???  Rights are what you can take or what someone will give you, and No one is in a position to tell the Ukrainians they have rights but Russia!!!
What Was the US Right to Invade ANYWHERE in the Middle East what was the Right to Put Israel back on the Map. RIGHTS!!! laughable when you are talking about International Politics and War.
 :asboredas: 
Russia Invading Ukraine is 100 time more 'Just' than the USA invading Iraq, Geographically there is Absolutely no question about the FACT.

Cossack s are not Russian but Cossack s, they may live under Russian rule, but certainly many sided with the Germans in World War 2 to then change sides fight against the Germans at the end, surrender to the British who then handed them over to the Russians, along with their families who executed most of them or sent them to Gulags, so again Veya, you are very much wrong, of which they come mainly from North Caucasus anyway and they are a small "ethnic" minority of around 3 million.

Completely agree it was wrong nothing was done with Tibet, that does not mean nothing should be done 
here, thus to me that is a false argument, where failings have happened before.
There is utterly no justification to invade Ukraine, sorry that is gobbledygook, as there was no justification for America to invade Iraq and there is no geographically view point either, because you are basically as stated making Ukraine like Czechoslovakia was to Nazi Germany. What you are saying is that Ukraine even though it has been independent, should not be independent, sorry that is silly Veya. Using arguments of other nations which are also wrong does not, mean others are justified to take nations by force.

It is not about 'should' or 'should not's' it is about 'Is' and 'Can be's'.

What is is.
I don't see any force capable, willing and with even general geographic vicinity that is going to change the fact that Russia will take the Ukraine.

And I disagree EVERY nation was taken by force at some point. it is natural, it is what happens. If Human Never Did stuff like that we would not have the technology and world we have today. Evolution, humans like everything else improve through constant competition, we now evolve as societies as much than individuals.

And Geography does have to do with it as invading a neighbor has been done forever but Very few nations travel to the other side of the world to invade someone.

Russia is one of the Big dogs and ALL the Big dogs are trying to secure resources (thus USA invading Iraq) Russian claim to the resources in the nation next to it, which happens to have a large number of ethnic Russians and have previously been under it's rule is higher than USA claim on anything in the Middle East.

You may or may not have noticed China and India Buying up Africa like it's going out of fashion and China Buys Australia up too. Any Nation with resource has to realistic to the possibility of a 'resource war' and at the moment it is pretty high. Here we are concerned that China and the USA will Duke it out over us and therefore blow up our stuff. It is reality, the world is not fair ask and Innocent Afghan Family that became Collateral Damage.

veya_victaous wrote:It is not about 'should' or 'should not's' it is about 'Is' and 'Can be's'.

What is is.
I don't see any force capable, willing and with even general geographic vicinity that is going to change the fact that Russia will take the Ukraine.

And I disagree EVERY nation was taken by force at some point. it is natural, it is what happens. If Human Never Did stuff like that we would not have the technology and world we have today. Evolution, humans like everything else improve through constant competition, we now evolve as societies as much than individuals.

And Geography does have to do with it as invading a neighbor has been done forever but Very few nations travel to the other side of the world to invade someone.

Russia is one of the Big dogs and ALL the Big dogs are trying to secure resources (thus USA invading Iraq) Russian claim to the resources in the nation next to it, which happens to have a large number of ethnic Russians and have previously been under it's rule is higher than USA claim on anything in the Middle East.

You may or may not have noticed China and India Buying up Africa like it's going out of fashion and China Buys Australia up too. Any Nation with resource has to realistic to the possibility of a 'resource war' and at the moment it is pretty high. Here we are concerned that China and the USA will Duke it out over us and therefore blow up our stuff. It is reality, the world is not fair ask and Innocent Afghan Family that became Collateral Damage.

Again an absurd view point we are talking about if something if justifiable and in this case it is not.
You say buy up with Chine etc which can also can coma back to bite you in the arse as other nations have had the misfortune of have happen to them when they invest heavily in an nation, so that point is going way off the actual point here of Ukraine Veya

You can go on all day about this aspect and that and geography has nothing to do with it, you are basically saying and justifying any aggressive nation that wants to annex another, sorry that is not justification nor will it be, as we might as well have sat back and you no doubt would have been speaking Japanese, if you would have been born of course, because no doubt much of of the Australians would have ended up dead or in abject slavery if action had not been taken against Japan. So are you backing the aggressive view point based now on power or what is right or wrong?

Again the aggression of Russia is no different to how Germany was with Austria, Czechoslovakia and Poland, where we see former German lands and your view points back not only German aggression to these nations but also that of Japan. Now unless my history is wrong and also with Japan, we went to war against them, though with Japan it was a little late and who is to know if America would have even bothered with Japan, if Pearl Harbour did not happen, you would again be speaking Japanese or would not have existed. The reality is Ukraine is independent and more importantly part of Nato, the later part you miss and as part of Nato, the west will defend all those within its group and rightly so, just as any family sticks up for each other

No they buy Australia, we are the vassal to China their takeover of us is just not Military, it is Economic. You also have Cultural takeovers    ALL Nations with resources are getting pressure form at least one of the 'big dog' economies. Aussies have just decided to 'roll with it' as we knew it was happening and cut ourselves the best deal possible    Ukraine Should have done the same. (I am not sure if they had the opportunity or not, I do say China so far has been a good Master and quite fair)

NATO is too weak to do anything.

veya_victaous wrote:No they buy Australia, we are the vassal to China their takeover of us is just not Military, it is Economic. You also have Cultural takeovers    ALL Nations with resources are getting pressure form at least one of the 'big dog' economies. Aussies have just decided to 'roll with it' as we knew it was happening and cut ourselves the best deal possible    Ukraine Should have done the same. (I am not sure if they had the opportunity or not, I do say China so far has been a good Master and quite fair)

NATO is too weak to do anything.

Sorry disagree again on the cultural part and view point as it is people that make a nation, not what others buy into and is getting way off the point of any justification of Ukraine allowing to be steam rolled over by an aggressive neighbor in Russia. All nations will ally themselves to more powerful nations, what is new about that? It has gone on for centuries and it will no doubt go on for many more until humanity evolves.
Nato is not weak either, again it will be nations with who is in power that make Nato strong or weak and I do not see Obama as weak far from it.
Nato with its combined forces and technology would make small work of the Russians, suprise is the Key and the Russians can not match their naval or air supremacy, both key to winning any conflict

Again my view is on a justification and there is no justification of any aggressive nation, that includes when America invaded Iraq