Coronavirus updates (gelico's original thread)

[gelico]

First topic message reminder :

seems to be spreading rapidly

tests show it started in a animal market

[Original Quill]

what, like sperm?

I've never discussed it with either a sperm or an ovum, so I just don't know. It's an interesting perspective.

I believe that neither a sperm nor an ovum have the capacity for self-awareness, but with growth they have the potential to become self-aware.

No one knows what that 'potential' is, just as no one knows what 'spirit' is. But it appears to be related, through growth and development, to memory and ability to merge reason (logic) with experience (facticity).

It is experience plus memory that fills out the fetus and turns it into a self-aware human being.

[Victorismyhero]

For the anti-vaxxers
who wanted a World
without vaccinations.
This is the World
without one vaccine.

[Original Quill]

Well put, Vic. Brilliant.

[Guest]

gross negligence?

I notice that you didn't answer the rest of my post so I'll ask it again

if you were leader of the USA and had notification that a virus had sprung up in China. As far as your intel is informed, It started in a market and some people are sick with respiratory problems. It is containable and no healthworkers have been affected by it so the virus itself can't be transmitted from one human to another. and certainly no one has died.

what action would you take?

an answer to that would be good

I wasn't interested in that question.  But I'll answer it in terms of what our president should have done.

First, the experiences with Swine flu, H1N1 and Ebola, were a lesson to the US.  The US has the capability to be the world's health police.  Dr. Obama set the wheels in motion with regard to the insights that such experiences taught us.  He set up the Pandemic Response Team, and written instructions of what to do in the event of a pandemic.

Dr Obama?

Why we it that there was higher death rates from all of the above, than there is with this virus?

Sometimes Quill, you come out with some of the most stupid view points I have ever heard

Its well documented the death rates

Its now well known that the potential infection rate in the UK is well over a million

That means the death rate is relatively low

Around 0.01%

NHS 111 based on online records and phone calls places the rate of infection to over a million people

No world leader could have predicted this and for you to politicise this, shows you care little for the victims but to politicise this 

Its why people sigh when you post

We now know that China did hide the details of this virus and this becoming more eventually true. Even more their figures

For you to have any validity to your point. Then at least a significant number of world leaders would have started preventative actions

The reality is, hardly any did

So your claim is emphatically erroneous and bullshit

[Guest]

Coronavirus: Anger is growing at China over COVID-19 and its apparent cover-up attempt

We've long known about the dangers of a wild animal virus leaping the species gap and ravaging humans and so have the Chinese.

They have been told repeatedly about the risks posed by their animal markets for decades.

In 2005, we filmed secretly while being offered pangolins, rare lizards and snakes in an endangered animal restaurant in southern China.

Year in, year out since, the Chinese have been warned by virologists that it was only a matter of time before a new lethal virus was unleashed threatening a global pandemic if the status quo was preserved.

And yet the restaurants and markets have remained open.

A previous version of this article and embedded video used images of animals for sale that we wrongly believed were from markets in China. The images were from markets outside China and were described incorrectly as a result of human error. We have now corrected this article.

Making matters worse, once that nightmare scenario came to pass, the Chinese appear to have tried to cover up their outbreak at first.


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-anger-is-growing-at-china-over-covid-19-and-its-apparent-cover-up-attempt-11966539

[Original Quill]

Dr Obama?

Yes, Barack Obama has his doctorate of laws (with honors) from Harvard University.

[Original Quill]

Coronavirus: Anger is growing at China over COVID-19 and its apparent cover-up attempt

Anger is growing at Trump over the Trumpvirus, yes.

Trump is responsible for the world-wide spread of the disease, by his disbanding of the US Pandemic Response Team, and complete disregard of the devastating consequences of a pandemic in general.

His predecessor had the issue under complete control, only to have everything done by Dr. Obama, in preparation, tossed away by Trump.

[Ben Reilly]

About 12,500 Americans died of the 2009 H1N1 epidemic. Trump is telling Americans to brace themselves for 200,000 deaths from COVID-19. So no comparison, really.

Right now, the virus is killing four times more people a day than car crashes in America. Right now, a New Yorker dies every three minutes of COVID-19.

[Guest]

Dr Obama?

Yes, Barack Obama has his doctorate of laws (with honors) from Harvard University.

Law?

A legal fiction medically to then be classed as a doctor

[Guest]

Coronavirus: Anger is growing at China over COVID-19 and its apparent cover-up attempt

Anger is growing at Trump over the Trumpvirus, yes.

Trump is responsible for the world-wide spread of the disease, by his disbanding of the US Pandemic Response Team, and complete disregard of the devastating consequences of a pandemic in general.

His predecessor had the issue under complete control, only to have everything done by Dr. Obama, in preparation, tossed away by Trump.

Yes anger is growing at people not willing to place aside differences to combat this issue

Your views on Obama doing different are sheer horeshit

[Tommy Monk]

The official UK figures were saying only 165 cases were serious/critical... But then today the announcement said nearly 600 new UK deaths in last 24 hours...


That is why I don't trust the figures are truthful.


You don't go from non serious/critical to being dead is such a short time.

[Ben Reilly]

Coronavirus: Anger is growing at China over COVID-19 and its apparent cover-up attempt

Anger is growing at Trump over the Trumpvirus, yes.

Trump is responsible for the world-wide spread of the disease, by his disbanding of the US Pandemic Response Team, and complete disregard of the devastating consequences of a pandemic in general.

His predecessor had the issue under complete control, only to have everything done by Dr. Obama, in preparation, tossed away by Trump.

Yes anger is growing at people not willing to place aside differences to combat this issue

Your views on Obama doing different are sheer horeshit

Obama did indeed put together a crack pandemic program and Trump did indeed dismantle it.

[Guest]

Yes anger is growing at people not willing to place aside differences to combat this issue

Your views on Obama doing different are sheer horeshit

Obama did indeed put together a crack pandemic program and Trump did indeed dismantle it.

Ben, you have your heart in the right place and yet again we are talking about world leaders and not the root cause of this issue

The world would have been better prepared if the Chinese authority. Had not tried to deny this outbreak through lies

They lied and badly so. Which now we are blaming each other over this for actions on time frames to act

I suggest you read up on the Spanish flu

[Original Quill]

Yes, Barack Obama has his doctorate of laws (with honors) from Harvard University.

Law?

A legal fiction medically to then be classed as a doctor

That shows how disconnected you are from the academic world. PhDs are awarded for programs across the whole breadth of academic fields.

In fact, a medical doctorate is a step down, in that a PhD candidate is usually required to produce original research that expands the boundaries of the field. That part of their study is known as a thesis or dissertation, and candidates must defend their work against experts in the field.

MD's are in a class known as "professional" doctorates. A professional doctorate is given only upon a minimal education, and candidates must seek advancement through residencies.

[Original Quill]

Anger is growing at Trump over the Trumpvirus, yes.

Trump is responsible for the world-wide spread of the disease, by his disbanding of the US Pandemic Response Team, and complete disregard of the devastating consequences of a pandemic in general.

His predecessor had the issue under complete control, only to have everything done by Dr. Obama, in preparation, tossed away by Trump.

Yes anger is growing at people not willing to place aside differences to combat this issue

Gd. point.  Trump has been unable to put aside personal feelings and politics in the effort to combat Trumpvirus.  Originally, he called it a "Democratic hoax", and accused Democrats of inventing it to discredit his presidency:



Only 15 people afflicted with the virus in this country??  The so-called "task force" that he established came up with only one recommendation: let the state governors take care of it...everybody is on their own!!

[Maddog]

Yes anger is growing at people not willing to place aside differences to combat this issue

Your views on Obama doing different are sheer horeshit

Obama did indeed put together a crack pandemic program and Trump did indeed dismantle it.

That team would have been a crack team for Ebola.

The FDA and the CDC dropped the ball. Or at least all of their regulations handcuffed the response and hindered a rapid reaction.

Unlike the S. Koreans, who didn't have a crack pandemic team.

What they had was a flexible government, that turned it's private sector loose on the problem.

To put it succinctly, the CDC lied.

[Maddog]

But it gets worse. It’s not just that Chinese authorities got the details wrong. They were actively trying to suppress information about the burgeoning outbreak from both their own citizens and global public health experts. And they did so on the express orders of Chinese President Xi Jinping.

In the meantime, China let millions of people travel in and out of Wuhan, allowing the virus to spread. One recent study found that if China had acted to lock down Wuhan just three weeks earlier, it would have reduced the number of cases by 95 percent, thus “significantly limiting the geographical spread of the disease.”

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/30/21195469/coronavirus-usa-china-brazil-mexico-spain-italy-iran?fbclid=IwAR2_jQ3yQ8gG-zXyJLAvZAXa_stbGjB4z7ewUnglmOzviVlyuLhCFpgmEHk

Vox is also left of center.

[Maddog]

The administration of President Donald Trump was tripped up by government rules and conventions, former officials and public health experts say. Instead of drafting the private sector early on to develop tests, as South Korea did, U.S. health officials relied, as is customary, on test kits prepared by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, some of which proved faulty. Then, sticking to its time-consuming vetting procedures, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration didn’t approve tests other than the CDC’s until Feb. 29, more than five weeks after discussions with outside labs had begun.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-testing-specialrep-idUSKBN2153BW?fbclid=IwAR2SrgpYefhFpPbXuvZchr-YZJKLd9bbRH4j3_fr3P_3Nqs_lTJ0Tzo1j_A


Plenty more at this link for those that want information.

[Maddog]

In late February, the CDC's deputy director of infectious disease projected calm in a conference call with state laboratories. The labs were told they could now send samples to the CDC and receive results within 24 hours.

“That was a bald-faced lie,” said Wadford. At that point, she was waiting four to five days on test results for samples she had sent to the CDC.

“The most disappointing part was that they couldn’t just be frank and straight with us,” said Wadford, who took detailed notes of the conference call that she dictated to USA TODAY. “Tell us the situation. Don’t sugarcoat it and lie. But to mislead us is just not right.”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2020/03/27/coronavirus-test-officials-botched-rollout-derailed-containment/5080781002/?fbclid=IwAR099hp9x6EJ94J1sN2RoWvMoMKRxQ6DRWCawtbYTU5lInmbV2iZ8qPqhjk

More information for those truly interested in more than spouting partisan politics.

[Tommy Monk]

Quill is making up his own waffle again...


He is making up "quotes" and then trying to put up arguments against his made up "quotes"...


And yes... Everyone can see what you are doing!!!


As you are further undermining the little credibility that you have left...!

['Wolfie]

Obama did indeed put together a crack pandemic program and Trump did indeed dismantle it.

That team would have been a crack team for Ebola.

The FDA and the CDC dropped the ball. Or at least all of their regulations handcuffed the response and hindered a rapid reaction.

Unlike the S. Koreans, who didn't have a crack pandemic team.

What they had was a flexible government, that turned it's private sector loose on the problem.  

To put it succinctly, the CDC lied.  

South Korea's "private sector...".

Total bullshit -- what S. Korea does have is a guvm'nt willing to turn the police and army onto the private companies if they refuse to "play ball"..

In Amerika, you 'libertarian' dumbfucks favour a corporatist cabal ordering your Federal gov't around, with the current Washington bureaucracy crippling the CDC, and stopping them from acting quickly.

That's also why Team Trump have deliberately "dropped the ball" -- handing responsibility to the individual states to deal with the unfolding disaster -- Good news for those states who have already been acting ahead of Washington; Bad news for those half dozen or so braindead "Bible Belt" states who still haven't officially recognised the pandemic.

[Maddog]

The administration of President Donald Trump was tripped up by government rules and conventions, former officials and public health experts say. Instead of drafting the private sector early on to develop tests, as South Korea did, U.S. health officials relied, as is customary, on test kits prepared by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, some of which proved faulty. Then, sticking to its time-consuming vetting procedures, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration didn’t approve tests other than the CDC’s until Feb. 29, more than five weeks after discussions with outside labs had begun.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-testing-specialrep-idUSKBN2153BW?fbclid=IwAR2SrgpYefhFpPbXuvZchr-YZJKLd9bbRH4j3_fr3P_3Nqs_lTJ0Tzo1j_A


For the visually impaired....

[Guest]

Law?

A legal fiction medically to then be classed as a doctor

That shows how disconnected you are from the academic world.   PhDs are awarded for programs across the whole breadth of academic fields.  

In fact, a medical doctorate is a step down, in that a PhD candidate is usually required to produce original research that expands the boundaries of the field.  That part of their study is known as a thesis or dissertation, and candidates must defend their work against experts in the field.

MD's are in a class known as "professional" doctorates.  A professional doctorate is given only upon a minimal education, and candidates must seek advancement through residencies.

No this shows how disconnected academics are, when they erroneously take the title of doctor

Also you are lying about Obama, he does not even have this title

Yet again another made up bullshit claim by the resident bullshitter

[Original Quill]

That shows how disconnected you are from the academic world.   PhDs are awarded for programs across the whole breadth of academic fields.  

In fact, a medical doctorate is a step down, in that a PhD candidate is usually required to produce original research that expands the boundaries of the field.  That part of their study is known as a thesis or dissertation, and candidates must defend their work against experts in the field.

MD's are in a class known as "professional" doctorates.  A professional doctorate is given only upon a minimal education, and candidates must seek advancement through residencies.

No this shows how disconnected academics are, when they erroneously take the title of doctor

Also you are lying about Obama, he does not even have this title

Yet again another made up bullshit claim by the resident bullshitter

Barack Obama has a doctorate of jurisprudence:

Barack Obama earned his Juris Doctor (J.D.) degree at Harvard Law School. He later taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School from 1992 to 2004. He was also president of the Harvard Law Review while he went to school there.
https://www.answers.com/Q/What_degree_did_Barack_Obama_earn_from_Harvard

What is the juris doctorate degree?

The Juris Doctor degree (J.D. or JD), also known as the Doctor of Jurisprudence degree (J.D., JD, D.Jur. or DJur), is a graduate-entry professional degree in law and one of several Doctor of Law degrees. In Australia, Canada, the United States, and some other common law countries, the Juris Doctor is earned by completing law school. It has the academic standing of a professional doctorate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juris_Doctor

Bullsheit is on you, fake historian.

[Original Quill]

The administration of President Donald Trump was tripped up by government rules and conventions, former officials and public health experts say. Instead of drafting the private sector early on to develop tests, as South Korea did, U.S. health officials relied, as is customary, on test kits prepared by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, some of which proved faulty. Then, sticking to its time-consuming vetting procedures, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration didn’t approve tests other than the CDC’s until Feb. 29, more than five weeks after discussions with outside labs had begun.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-testing-specialrep-idUSKBN2153BW?fbclid=IwAR2SrgpYefhFpPbXuvZchr-YZJKLd9bbRH4j3_fr3P_3Nqs_lTJ0Tzo1j_A

For the visually impaired....  

Nonsense.  The reason why inadequate testing was experienced was because three years prior, the Trump administration gutted all funding for the Department of Health, and sent a playboy to head the department.

The CDC was deprived of funding, and research projects were scrapped, that would have had the jump on the Trumpvirus.

Most incredibly, The Pandemic Response Team of the NSA was terminated by Trump, and all literature developed by them on fighting pandemics was scrapped.  This was the very unit that would have foreseen the Trumpvirus coming, and probably would have gotten a year's head start on the bug.

Incidentally, the so-called 'private sector' is in fact the very research to which Trump cut off funds.  Parmas don't do basic research and development.  They buy the rights after labs and universities develop the medicines and vaccines.  The pharmas then do the marketing.  Pharmas only claim the research, because they buy the inventors and place them in 'do-nothing' VP positions.  It's part of the buy-out.

It was the public labs and universities, and their research projects--which then feed innovations to the pharmas--that the Trump administration defunded early on in his administration. That is why the Trump administration got caught with it's pants pulled down, and his ass cheeks exposed.

['Wolfie]

Fattdog is no "Libertarian", contrary to all the crap he's been posting up on here for months...

The pro-Trump anti-'libertarian' propaganda bullshit posts he keeps on presenting in relation to CoVid-19 shows up the 'Dog for the far right loon' he truly is..

A true Trump loving, Repub'-apologising corporate shill, through and through !

['Wolfie]

It was announced today that the CSIRO (a guvm'nt funded research organisation..) is leading the way, yet again...

https://www.csiro.au/en/News/News-releases/2020/CSIRO-begins-testing-Covid-19-vaccines

As part of the international coalition that I've posted on before (and, unfortunately,  where those braindead under-educated nongs DopeyDawg, Tommy and gelibelico, are simply too thick to comprehend --  and too nasty to recognise.. ).

And will have a potential vaccinne ready for trials within weeks.

https://www.afr.com/policy/health-and-education/csiro-begins-testing-covid-19-vaccines-on-ferrets-20200401-p54g2g

Once again beating Fatdog's beloved "Armerikun big Pharma" bosses to the punch --  just like they have been doing for the past 60 or 70 years..

https://www.csiro.au/en/About

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSIRO

[Vintage]

I don't think its the time for the blame game - we are where we are. Time to rally round and get on with it, including the morons declaring they are bored so we are going out and the idiots reckoning life's a gamble anyway - great if you want to gamble with your life that's your right but don't gamble with other peoples lives, you don't have the right to do that. Get together - metaphorically and do the right thing by this disease, we can do the blame thing later and redress the balance. By the way has a hell of a job logging on, had to change my password.

[Original Quill]

I don't think its the time for the blame game - we are where we are. Time to rally round and get on with it, including the morons declaring they are bored so we are going out and the idiots reckoning life's a gamble anyway - great if you want to gamble with your life that's your right but don't gamble with other peoples lives, you don't have the right to do that. Get together - metaphorically and do the right thing by this disease, we can do the blame thing later and redress the balance. By the way has a hell of a job logging on, had to change my password.

This is an election year in the US. It's called voting, not "the blame game". An election is an evaluation review of all of your public employees. Unfortunately, we have these only every four years, and if we miss casting our vote this year, we have to wait for another four years.

Evaluation time is the time to assess your employees. Evaluation time is the time to correct the course of the nation. The candidates are your employees. If it is a nice occasion to gather round the fire and sing Kumbaya, sorry, we'll have to forego that. That is superseded by our responsibility to our children, mates and grandparents, to keep this nation on course.

Now is the appropriate time to discuss who should be rewarded for good work, and who should be blamed for their errors. No other time is more appropriate. After November we can hug and hold hands. Right now, we have work to do.

['Wolfie]

It was announced today that the CSIRO (a guvm'nt funded research organisation..) is leading the way, yet again...

https://www.csiro.au/en/News/News-releases/2020/CSIRO-begins-testing-Covid-19-vaccines

As part of the international coalition that I've posted on before (and, unfortunately,  where those braindead under-educated nongs DopeyDawg, Tommy and gelibelico, are simply too thick to comprehend --  and too nasty to recognise.. ).

And will have a potential vaccinne ready for trials within weeks.

https://www.afr.com/policy/health-and-education/csiro-begins-testing-covid-19-vaccines-on-ferrets-20200401-p54g2g

Once again beating Fatdog's beloved "Armerikun big Pharma" bosses to the punch --  just like they have been doing for the past 60 or 70 years..

https://www.csiro.au/en/About

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSIRO

I posted up some good news here for this week...

And that supercilious anonymous 'red striper' strikes again..

Nasty empty-headed twat, whoever he or she is.

[Maddog]

Methodist Hospital in Houston began recruiting plasma donors Friday and gave the first plasma transfusions to a COVID-19 patient the following day.

It’s a gamble of time, energy and money, said William Schaffner, a professor of preventive medicine and infectious disease at Vanderbilt University School of Medicine in Nashville, Tennessee.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/04/01/coronavirus-plasma-therapy-5-us-patients-covid-19-donors/5090946002/

[Maddog]

I don't think its the time for the blame game - we are where we are. Time to rally round and get on with it, including the morons declaring they are bored so we are going out and the idiots reckoning life's a gamble anyway - great if you want to gamble with your life that's your right but don't gamble with other peoples lives, you don't have the right to do that. Get together - metaphorically and do the right thing by this disease, we can do the blame thing later and redress the balance. By the way has a hell of a job logging on, had to change my password.

There are people, who can't help themselves.

[Original Quill]

I don't think its the time for the blame game - we are where we are. Time to rally round and get on with it, including the morons declaring they are bored so we are going out and the idiots reckoning life's a gamble anyway - great if you want to gamble with your life that's your right but don't gamble with other peoples lives, you don't have the right to do that. Get together - metaphorically and do the right thing by this disease, we can do the blame thing later and redress the balance. By the way has a hell of a job logging on, had to change my password.

There are people, who can't help themselves.

The people have jobs to do as citizens. They can't be bothered playing patty-cake. A part of democracy is discussion and debate...and real, adversarial controversy. What you are calling for, Vintage, is a destruction of democracy.

['Wolfie]

I don't think its the time for the blame game - we are where we are. Time to rally round and get on with it, including the morons declaring they are bored so we are going out and the idiots reckoning life's a gamble anyway - great if you want to gamble with your life that's your right but don't gamble with other peoples lives, you don't have the right to do that. Get together - metaphorically and do the right thing by this disease, we can do the blame thing later and redress the balance. By the way has a hell of a job logging on, had to change my password.

There are people, who can't help themselves.

Just like there are certain shills, toadies and carpetbaggers who also can't help themselves...

Reminding us all how great and wonderful their corporate healthfunds and private hospitals are, and how big Pharma will save the day..

[Cass]

Two friends have been diagnosed with it. They have been tested as luckily they live near places that have tests. One in Vermont, one in Maryland. I’m super worried about them as they both have it bad.

['Wolfie]

It was announced today that the CSIRO (a guvm'nt funded research organisation..) is leading the way, yet again...

https://www.csiro.au/en/News/News-releases/2020/CSIRO-begins-testing-Covid-19-vaccines

As part of the international coalition that I've posted on before (and, unfortunately,  where those braindead under-educated nongs DopeyDawg, Tommy and gelibelico, are simply too thick to comprehend --  and too nasty to recognise.. ).

And will have a potential vaccinne ready for trials within weeks.

https://www.afr.com/policy/health-and-education/csiro-begins-testing-covid-19-vaccines-on-ferrets-20200401-p54g2g

Once again beating Fatdog's beloved "Armerikun big Pharma" bosses to the punch --  just like they have been doing for the past 60 or 70 years..

https://www.csiro.au/en/About

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSIRO

I posted up some good news here for this week...

And that supercilious anonymous 'red striper' strikes again..

Nasty empty-headed twat, whoever he or she is.

And yet another daily reminder that it's the relevant government agencies and universities that are leading the fight to find a vaccine in time...

Despite all of the lies, faux promises, and attempted profiteering and 'gouging', from the usual big business shills, lobbyists and arselickers..

[Guest]

Two friends have been diagnosed with it. They have been tested as luckily they live near places that have tests. One in Vermont, one in Maryland. I’m super worried about them as they both have it bad.

Sorry to hear me Lady. Wishing them both a speedy recovery

[gelico]

Two friends have been diagnosed with it. They have been tested as luckily they live near places that have tests. One in Vermont, one in Maryland. I’m super worried about them as they both have it bad.

i'm sorry to hear that, cass.

most people (80%) are actually recovering from this thankfully.




what with all the social distancing, i wanted to give you an online hug

xxx

['Wolfie]

Two friends have been diagnosed with it. They have been tested as luckily they live near places that have tests. One in Vermont, one in Maryland. I’m super worried about them as they both have it bad.

i'm sorry to hear that, cass.

most people (80%) are actually recovering from this thankfully.

......

xxx

More lying bullshit from the uneducated and unthinking scaremongering bullshit gallery...

The overall recovery rate is currently closer to 96% than "80%"..

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30195-X/fulltext

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51674743

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/how-many-people-have-recovered-from-coronavirus-c-761662

Yet again, gelico proves herself to be just as ignoratly stupid as Tommy..
Those idiots with less-then-zero understanding of statistics should stop making their bullshit claims..

[nicko]

Wolfie, have a Red from me for another post of ignorance and insults. What the f++k is wrong with you ?

[gelico]

CLOSED CASES
285,873
Cases which had an outcome:
227,735 (80%)
Recovered / Discharged

58,138 (20%)
Deaths

[Guest]

But your 'closed cases' figure is based only on those people who have been tested and confirmed as having coronavirus, as I was.

It totally excludes the tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands, worldwide, who have it/ had it, had mild symptoms like Prince Charles and Matt Hancock, isolated at home and treated it with paracetamol and bed rest.


Your figures are therefore totally skewed and flawed.
To be accurate, they would need to incorporate those who have it quietly and discreetly at home.

E.g., Mrs Brutus had a headache, raised temperature, mild sore throat and bit of a cough. Nothing serious. But almost certainly a very mild dose of the virus.
Your statistics DO NOT include her recovery, as we didn't report it.

It could be argued quite reasonably that the recovery rate of those who have it with a mild dose , at home, like my better half, is probably around 99% or better.

[Victorismyhero]

be that as it may, it doesntexcuse wolfies pig ignorance and belligerent attitude....

[gelico]

But you 'closed cases' figure is based only on those people who have been tested and confirmed as having coronavirus, as I was.



yes, i know, hence the term 'closed (known) cases'.


It totally excludes the tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands, worldwide, who have it/ had it, had mild symptoms like Prince Charles and Matt Hancock, isolated at home and treated it with paracetamol and bestest.


Your figures are therefore totally skewed and flawed.
To be accurate, they would need to incorporate those who have it quietly and discreetly at home.

they may well be skewed and flawed in your opinion. however i got those stats from worldometers which was one of wolfies own links so,,,,,,

[Guest]

Not my opinion.
It's a fact yours and Toms figures are wrong simply because they are incomplete.
They do not factor in those who haven't reported it and have recovered, which may be a higher number than those actually recorded.
As it is unrealistic to assume those numbers it means that any stats produced by any body, official or otherwise are simply wrong because they are incomplete, rendering worthless and meaningless, UNLESS a particular spin wants to be applied to those statistics.

[Guest]

Not my opinion.
It's a fact yours and Toms figures are wrong simply because they are incomplete.
They do not factor in those who haven't reported it and have recovered, which may be a higher number than those actually recorded.
As it is unrealistic to assume those numbers it means that any stats produced by any body, official or otherwise are simply wrong because they are incomplete, rendering worthless and meaningless, UNLESS a particular spin want to be applied to those statistics.

They are known figures and based on known figures and all we have to go on
We know they do not factor in many who have not been tested

This has never been disputed or claimed otherwise

We know that for example China as clearly lied over their figures, through US intelligence, but how is presenting figures of known cases somehow wrong to present?

If as you claim and I agree they are not factual. How in anyway does that warrant the abuse received to either Tommy and Gelico for presenting what is data presented daily within the main media globally?

Neither claimed the figures were accurate and even gelico admits this

So what the fuck is your problem here?

Or are you simple trying to defend Wolf for the abuse he made, because there is no other explanation for your claim here?

Please show me how posting up known data is some how a major crime against humanity to you. To the extent, you think by them doing this. This some how excuses wolf being abusive to them?

[Guest]

I havent defended Wolfies language. Show me where I have.


I am defending his belief that the stats provided by Gelico and Tommy are so incomplete it renders them meaningless.

Weirdly, you have come storming in,effing and blinding at me, simply because I have entered, politely, the debate about the stats.

I could argue legitimately,  what is YOUR problem? .

It's clear to see the gang warfare hasn't gone away, perhaps I don't need to bother with this place when who shouts loudest thinks he has the final word.

[Cass]

Everybody just stop fighting. Please.

Thank you Didge and Gels. I appreciate it.

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I havent defended Wolfies language. Show me where I have.


I am defending his belief that the stats provided by Gelico and Tommy are so incomplete it renders them meaningless.

Weirdly, you have come storming in,effing and blinding at me, simply because I have entered, politely, the debate about the stats.

I could argue legitimately,  what is YOUR problem? .

It's clear to see the gang warfare hasn't gone away, perhaps I don't need to bother with this place when who shouts loudest thinks he has the final word.

I shall quote

More lying bullshit from the uneducated and unthinking scaremongering bullshit gallery...

Why was there a need for that, when again, they are presenting a site that fact finds based off data known?

Please explain how both them presenting this data, from a site that is recognised for providing statistics. Should warrant such abuse?

I am happy and agree with wolf to challenge the stats. That does not mean he attacks the people who posts the data from this site

Does it?

I have no problem

I only have a problem when people like yourself disingenuously not see what is being said here and not just by me

There is no gangs, that is simple your imagination

I was the first to post the best wishes for you when unwell and refused to listen to the nonsense tommy made bout this.

Hence I do not take sides and wished you the best

So if you wish to act stupid over this and make up some nonsense that does not exist here. So be it

Tommy was out of order for not taking on board what your partner posted and I condemn him for his views at the time

Happy now?

[Guest]

Everybody just stop fighting. Please.

Thank you Didge and Gels. I appreciate it.

Apologies me Lady

I think I speak for the majority of the forum. That we are all sending out love to your friends in this time of need and wish that they recover

That you also know, we are also all here for you

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