Coronavirus updates (gelico's original thread)

[gelico]

First topic message reminder :

seems to be spreading rapidly

tests show it started in a animal market

[eddie]

I will ask you one more time, and I hope you answer without the waffle.

Where did I give any medical advice about the Coronavirus?

You still haven’t said.

Don’t worry, I know you can’t answer but will instead make posts about anything other than my question.  

I will happily answer eddie

It comes in part of a question to you

Would you expose your own daughter to this virus, or provide her with a potential vaccine?

Hence I already know the answer to many of your points

Where have I given medical advice? Asked many times. Now I know you can’t answer. Because you haven’t.

[Tommy Monk]

I didn't see you trying to give any medical advice Eddie.


I have no idea what didge is banging on about either!

[eddie]

I didn't see you trying to give any medical advice Eddie.


I have no idea what didge is banging on about either!

I just disagreed with his point of view (not even vehemently!) so he made it into something else. It’s just anger and a real need to be right. It’s an ego thing.
Don’t worry, seen it before!

[Guest]

I didn't see you trying to give any medical advice Eddie.


I have no idea what didge is banging on about either!

I just disagreed with his point of view (not even vehemently!) so he made it into something else. It’s just anger and a real need to be right. It’s an ego thing.
Don’t worry, seen it before!

lol, it has nothing to do with anger or a need to be right

That is simple your imagination


I have sat through countless times you offer up the poorest views around medicine

[Guest]

I will happily answer eddie

It comes in part of a question to you

Would you expose your own daughter to this virus, or provide her with a potential vaccine?

Hence I already know the answer to many of your points

Where have I given medical advice? Asked many times. Now I know you can’t answer. Because you haven’t.

Like here for example

The flu is like that. Most people don’t die from the flu, it’s just a very severe cold with a fever. Only people with weak immune systems like the elderly or critically ill, ever really suffer from flu symptoms.

Pretty much why I won’t have the flu jab or give it to my kids.

To advise against the flu jab is sheer ignorance and you need to educate yourself in regards to the flu

https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-do-you-die-from-flu

[Tommy Monk]

That's not eddie giving advice... That's just eddie expressing a personal opinion...

[Guest]

That's not eddie giving advice... That's just eddie expressing a personal opinion...

Really?

You think opinions cannot also be advice?

Her comments woefully fail to understand the dangers of flu and even worse where she is not going to use a flu jab, based on all the wrong reasoning.

People can and do buy into this poor understanding and then others do the same

[Tommy Monk]

Not advice... Expressing personal opinion...

[Guest]

Not advice... Expressing personal opinion...

A poor dangerous incorrect opinion, that people can and do buy into

In other words, othering advice. As that is exactly what it was

[Tommy Monk]

You are wrong dodge.

[Guest]

If eddie's given any advice at all anywhere on here about the coronavirus, it's that people shouldn't freak out about it -- which, by the way, doctors are saying as well.

Thanks, Les, for pointing out Didge's sad attempt to get under mine and eddie's skin.

Wrong again. As I am not trying to get under Eddies skin

She simple is the last person I would take advice from in regards to medical matters

That does not make me like eddie any less. It simple means I think she is clueless in this regard

Saying people should not freak out when they will is also as about as dumb as it gets

It fails to understand the psychology of humans

Sop there was no sad attempt here, I am simple pointing out, I would rather seek advice from Jesus, than listen to Eddie in regards to medical matters

You too are the last person I would take medical advice from, Thorin.
An unknown poster on an insignificant forum. Nobody actually KNOWS whether you are qualified, apart from yourself.
I think I will stick to the advice of proven health professionals that I know, my GP, Chemist  etc.

[gelico]

Not advice... Expressing personal opinion...

A poor dangerous incorrect opinion, that people can and do buy into

In other words, othering advice. As that is exactly what it was

lolol, stop embarrassing yourself now didge.

anyone that demented that they would take a personal opinion of a random poster as ''offering advice'' didn't ought to be on line


stop now

[Guest]

A poor dangerous incorrect opinion, that people can and do buy into

In other words, othering advice. As that is exactly what it was

lolol, stop embarrassing yourself now didge.

anyone that demented that they would take a personal opinion of a random poster as ''offering advice''  didn't ought to be on line


stop now

Not embarrassed at all. The fact that a vast number of people incorrectly think vaccines cause autism

Shows that there is plenty of gullible people out there

So frankly, if you want to defend Eddies clear ignorance here, when instead you should be rightly critical of her poor views. Shows exactly what is wrong with the mentality of people like yourself

So I will not stop or be made to feel I should by you

If you do not like it, tough

[gelico]

eddie wrote:


''The flu is like that. Most people don’t die from the flu, it’s just a very severe cold with a fever. Only people with weak immune systems like the elderly or critically ill, ever really suffer from flu symptoms.

Pretty much why I won’t have the flu jab or give it to my kids.''




edds i've been offered flu jabs before and said no, i rarely get ill with anything; my eldest brother who is semi retired doctor has said if you're offered it fucking take it. i value his advice and this latest virus is NOT just an average flu at all edds.

it will spread everywhere and no amount of lockdowns or isolation or prevention is going to stop it

[Maddog]

For the record, I'm not going to make any medical decisions based on any comments placed on this forum.

Carry on and don't hoard the toilet paper.

[Guest]

Funnily enough I told an old bloke at the supermarket today, who had a trolley full of bog paper that coronavirus causes a cough, not diarrhoea.
I left him speechless.

[Original Quill]

Carry on and don't hoard the toilet paper.

Wisest thing you ever said, Red!  

[Tommy Monk]

Closed Cases

68,719
Cases which had an outcome:

64,630 (94%)
Recovered / Discharged

4,089 (6%)
Deaths

[Tommy Monk]

In Italy...


Closed cases 1187

Recovered 724

Died 463

So... 39% of cases in Italy that have so far reached a conclusion have resulted in death.

['Wolfie]

In Italy...


Closed cases 1187

Recovered 724

Died 463

So... 39% of cases in Italy that have so far reached a conclusion have resulted in death.

I reckon when you have clusters of extremely and abnormally high numbers of deaths within relatively small regions, it would pay to look for certain common traits that made those casualties so vulnerable.

For example : possible genetic links,
Age of casualties,
Availabilty of healthcare, if any,
Other common factors that made them more vulnerable ?

See where Italy's nationwide quarantine yesterday has effectively 'locked down' 25% of their population !

[Original Quill]

The strain seems to have jumped to create the Milan variety of the coronavirus. But that only shows how volatile the bug is.

[Tommy Monk]

Can you show any evidence for this change in strain?


Or was that just your own speculation?

[Guest]

Can you show any evidence for this change in strain?


Or was that just your own speculation?

There are two strains of this virus

[Guest]

Almost half of those who have tested positive for coronavirus in Italy show “no or minimal symptoms”, new figures have revealed.

Data released by the country’s National Institute of Health (ISS) on Monday shows 45 per cent of patients do not exhibit anything more than mild symptoms.

One in ten people with the illness display no symptoms at all.
The data also reveals that 22 per cent of infections have been detected in people aged between 19 and 50.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-symptoms-death-rate-italy-data-latest-a9389411.html

[Original Quill]

Can you show any evidence for this change in strain?

Or was that just your own speculation?

Two things: one, the mortality rate of coronavirus cases from Italy rose from 2% to 3.4%; and two, age of vulnerability went lower. Add to that, the aggressive spread, which perhaps is another sign.

[Guest]

In Italy...


Closed cases 1187

Recovered 724

Died 463

So... 39% of cases in Italy that have so far reached a conclusion have resulted in death.

Most are mild cases, so the number closed will rise dramatically that have recovered

The mortality rate of Italy is around 5%. Which is still very high.

Though again this needs to be further broken down by age and in regards to whether someone has an underlining other health issue

[Tommy Monk]

Can you show any evidence for this change in strain?

Or was that just your own speculation?

Two things: one, the mortality rate of coronavirus cases from Italy rose from 2% to 3.4%; and two, age of vulnerability went lower. Add to that, the aggressive spread, which perhaps is another sign.

Maybe Italy are just being more honest about the numbers... Where China maybe isn't...


If you look at all the closed cases, some 65,000 approx, the death rate is 6%...


However if you take China's figures out of the equation... The death rate is much higher.

[Tommy Monk]

Can you show any evidence for this change in strain?


Or was that just your own speculation?

There are two strains of this virus

China experts say they have identified 2 strains... The more aggressive one was found earliest and affected about 70%of cases but they say this strain has dropped off leaving only the less aggressive strain...


So... What has this got to do with Italy?


Isn't it more likely that Italy are just being more honest and open about the numbers of cases etc?

[Original Quill]

So... What has this got to do with Italy?

Genetic mutation. Italy, apparently, has uncovered an entirely new mutation, different from China.

[Tommy Monk]

Evidence please?

[Tommy Monk]

In Italy...


Closed cases 1187

Recovered 724

Died 463

So... 39% of cases in Italy that have so far reached a conclusion have resulted in death.

Most are mild cases, so the number closed will rise dramatically that have recovered

The mortality rate of Italy is around 5%. Which is still very high.

Though again this needs to be further broken down by age and in regards to whether someone has an underlining other health issue

In Italy...


Closed cases 1187

Recovered 724

Died 463

So... 39% of cases in Italy that have so far reached a conclusion have resulted in death.

[Guest]

So... What has this got to do with Italy?

Genetic mutation.  Italy, apparently, has uncovered an entirely new mutation, different from China.

I know he is an oddball and holds controversial views, but it's a bit harsh to call Tommy a genetic mutation!

[Guest]

Most are mild cases, so the number closed will rise dramatically that have recovered

The mortality rate of Italy is around 5%. Which is still very high.

Though again this needs to be further broken down by age and in regards to whether someone has an underlining other health issue

In Italy...


Closed cases 1187

Recovered 724

Died 463

So... 39% of cases in Italy that have so far reached a conclusion have resulted in death.

Your stats are in error or old, apart from the 39%

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/

Also of the active cases, 90% are in a mild condition

[Tommy Monk]

My stats are from that source at the time of my post.


Figures may have changed since I posted earlier.

[Tommy Monk]

But... Even though more cases now have reached their conclusion... The recovery/death rate remains about the same in italy...

[Original Quill]

Genetic mutation.  Italy, apparently, has uncovered an entirely new mutation, different from China.

I know he is an oddball and holds controversial views, but it's  a bit harsh to call Tommy a genetic mutation!

Tommy, I did not mean you.  But if the shoe fits...and all that.  

I meant that the strain in Italy appears to be a mutation from the original in Wuhan.

Thx Brubro.

[Tommy Monk]

Still waiting for evidence...

[Original Quill]

Still waiting for evidence...

Follow the yellow brick road...

[Tommy Monk]

You claimed the virus in Italy is different from that elsewhere...


So I am only asking you to share the source of your claim so as to enlighten us to this important information that you have knowledge of...?


Why the reticence...?

[Original Quill]

You claimed the virus in Italy is different from that elsewhere...

So I am only asking you to share the source of your claim so as to enlighten us to this important information that you have knowledge of...?

Why the reticence...?

The source: NBC, ABC, KGO, New York times, Washington Post, San Francisco Chronicle, Miami Herald, Seattle Times, Oakland Tribune, KABC Los Angeles, Marin Independent Journal, Yahoo News and Financial Times. Did I miss anyone? I read, and pay attention to a lot.

[JulesV]

Funnily enough I told an old bloke at the supermarket today, who had a trolley full of bog paper that coronavirus causes a cough, not diarrhoea.
I left him speechless.

+1
Hahaha you cheeky so & so. A GSOH is valuable in helping people thru this turmoil. Laughter lowers stress and boosts immunity.

@ gelico I do hope your Beanie is now OK & fighting fit.x

[Tommy Monk]

You claimed the virus in Italy is different from that elsewhere...

So I am only asking you to share the source of your claim so as to enlighten us to this important information that you have knowledge of...?

Why the reticence...?

The source: NBC, ABC, KGO, New York times, Washington Post, San Francisco Chronicle, Miami Herald, Seattle Times, Oakland Tribune, KABC Los Angeles, Marin Independent Journal, Yahoo News and Financial Times. Did I miss anyone? I read, and pay attention to a lot.

And still no link...

[gelico]

22:31: 1 new case in the England, United Kingdom.

The patient is member of parliament and health minister Nadine Dorries. She is the first British MP to test positive.

[Tommy Monk]

Germany's Angela Merkel says that 70% of german population could get the virus... That would be 57,000,000 people...


If the death rate remains consistent at about 6% of cases reaching conclusion end up dying... Then that would mean about 3.5million people dying from virus there!

['Wolfie]

You truly are one mighty fuckwit,  Tommy Monk...

Constant mutation within virus 'strains' is a trait of viruses; well known for decades --  except for the clueless arrogance of know-nothing idiotic high school dropouts such as your stupid doltish self..

With some viral 'strains' having new 'mutations' popping up every 25 to 30 minutes in some cases, new 'strains' can be emerging every few days or weeks;  as seen with a 2nd strain of this Covid19..

This fast mutation rate is what makes it a longer and more complicated process to develop new virus vaccines and antivirals, when compared to antibiotics, bacteriocides and antivenenes.

[Tommy Monk]

Listen you wank stain... I am well aware of virus mutations... And I have read about 2 strains found in china... Nothing about a more aggressive strain in Italy...


Plus I have also read that experts have analyzed the virus for changes and that the changes in this virus are very slow so a mutation into anything more dangerous is a very low chance!



All I have asked for is for those making the claim that Italy has a different new strain is for them to provide a link as evidence of this


Now fuck off!!!

[Original Quill]

Listen you wank stain... I am well aware of virus mutations... And I have read about 2 strains found in china... Nothing about a more aggressive strain in Italy...

Plus I have also read that experts have  analyzed the virus for changes and that the changes in this virus are very slow so a mutation into anything more dangerous is a very low chance!

All I have asked for is for those making the claim that Italy has a different new strain is for them to provide a link as evidence of this

Now fuck off!!!

It's clear that Wolf knows more about it than you, toms. Ya should'a stayed in school.

"Fuck off" is such a derisive term. As Socrates said, "When debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers."

[Tommy Monk]

Fleàkeeper does the slander... I merely told him to fuck off!


And I'm still waiting for you to provide some evidence to back up your claim that Italy has a different strain of this virus...?

[Original Quill]

Fleàkeeper does the slander... I merely told him to fuck off!

But while you were merely practicing your four-letter word skills, Wolf was providing valid information. Aren't you ashamed of yourself?

[Tommy Monk]

Fleàkeeper does the slander... I merely told him to fuck off!

But while you were merely practicing your four-letter word skills, Wolf was providing valid information. Aren't you ashamed of yourself?

He didn't provide any information that I don't already know... He just jumped in to try to insult me...


I'm still waiting for you to back up your claim that Italy has a different more aggressive strain of this virus...!?


You should be ashamed of yourself for your continued failure to provide this information.

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