Coronavirus updates (gelico's original thread)

[gelico]

seems to be spreading rapidly

tests show it started in a animal market

[eddie]

Yeah, wonder whether it will make it’s way here? I don’t watch mainstream TV so not too up to date on it.

[Ben Reilly]

There are cases all over the world now ... the thing that really shocked me is that this apparently originated from shops that sell live, wild animals like koalas and wolves as food.

[gelico]

Yeah, wonder whether it will make it’s way here? I don’t watch mainstream TV so not too up to date on it.

nor do I, eddie. All I've seen is bits and pieces on twitter. From actual people on the ground, not government stuff. Seen doctors and nurses in the hospitals going beserk. One doctor was shouting into the phone. You are not giving us any help. We can't cope here, we have no supplies. He was nearly crying, they have had hardly any sleep and can't help people and they;re at breaking point.

chinese are getting angry that some respitory expert told the government on 18th that this virus was airborne and the government waited 5 days before going into lockdown, thus thousands more infected than they are saying. one of the doctors died because although he was covered and had a mask on, it got to him through his eyes. scary.

people are saying that the numbers infected and death count is higher than the government are letting on.

no idea what the truth is but heard some weird rumour that the corona virus is actually patented so someone owns that. something to do with the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation

but then all sorts of stuff gets thrown around on twitter so,,,,,,

[gelico]

There are cases all over the world now ... the thing that really shocked me is that this apparently originated from shops that sell live, wild animals like koalas and wolves as food.

some of the vids have been so gross, ben

a bowl of soup with a whole bat in it

eating live rats

eating massive live leggy bug type things after dipping them in something that looked like wine



i know its just a culture thing and there are some who would think the idea of eating  a lamb equally gross but i've seen stuff that i really wish i hadn't and was fucking gagging for ages

ps, 5 confirmed cases in US

[gelico]

https://twitter.com/SimonSessingoe/status/1221910739251875842

[Eilzel]

There are cases all over the world now ... the thing that really shocked me is that this apparently originated from shops that sell live, wild animals like koalas and wolves as food.

some of the vids have been so gross, ben

a bowl of soup with a whole bat in it

eating live rats

eating massive live leggy bug type things after dipping them in something that looked like wine



i know its just a culture thing and there are some who would think the idea of eating  a lamb equally gross but i've seen stuff that i really wish i hadn't and was fucking gagging for ages

ps, 5 confirmed cases in US

It's really gross. For some reason, a lot of people in Asia (not just China) are really open to try just about any kind of food. Things also become 'fads' super easily, and there is very little concern about animal welfare and ethics around what people eat. They also just experiment with things incredibly often: a harmless example that has become popular here is salted egg ice cream. On the worse end by far is boiling octopuses alive and cutting bits off to eat while the poor creature is still dying

Point being, what we find gross and cruel they see as something different. I don't know if they get bored of 'normal' flavours too easily but I reckon that's also part of it (my in laws liked almost nothing they ate in the UK, everything was tasteless in their opinion).

Problem is, taken too far it is clearly dangerous. Another 'delicacy' in China is monkey brain. And let's not forget, tiger bone and rhino horn find their biggest customer base in China too.

In Wuhan, the obsession with exotic food combined with local people's preference for 'freshly slaughtered meat' at a wet market where both wild and farmed animals were sold in a place where carcasses are hung out side by side (I've seen this myself, in a village near Shanghai, with bodies of chickens right next to dogs).

I know it sounds awful, but the Chinese government need to do WAY more to educate their population, especially in areas away from the metropolitan coast, about the dangers involved. It certainly is cultural, but as with every culture in the world there are aspect which are outright bad, and Chinese eating habits in some areas are appalling.

[Fred Moletrousers]

There are cases all over the world now ... the thing that really shocked me is that this apparently originated from shops that sell live, wild animals like koalas and wolves as food.

Yeah, and apparently the infected animal could have got it from a snake. God alone knows how much and how many times the virus has mutated by now.

[Maddog]

On the bright side, China is one of the worst offenders in terms of greenhouse gases. A lower population will help the planet in terms of climate change.

[Original Quill]

On the bright side, China is one of the worst offenders in terms of greenhouse gases. A lower population will help the planet in terms of climate change.

But then, how does a libertarian feel about legislating in the bedroom?

['Wolfie]

Yeah, wonder whether it will make it’s way here? I don’t watch mainstream TV so not too up to date on it.

nor do I, eddie.  All I've seen is bits and pieces on twitter.  From actual people on the ground, not government stuff.  Seen doctors and nurses in the hospitals going beserk.  One doctor was shouting into the phone.  You are not giving us any help.  We can't cope here, we have no supplies.  He was nearly crying, they have had hardly any sleep and can't help people and they;re at breaking point.

chinese are getting angry that some respitory expert told the government on 18th that this virus was airborne and the government waited 5 days before going into lockdown, thus thousands more infected than they are saying.  one of the doctors died because although he was covered and had a mask on, it got to him through his eyes.  scary.

people are saying that the numbers infected and death count is higher than the government are letting on.

no idea what the truth is but heard some weird rumour that the corona virus is actually patented so someone owns that.  something to do with the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation

but then all sorts of stuff gets thrown around on twitter so,,,,,,

Twitter is not a reference source...

Twitter is full of twats  --  I never use it..

If somebody wants to quickly politicise and commercialise a subject, they go to Twitter.

As they know there's a large pool of gullible and lazy gossip-drones there, ready to disseminate the most ridiculous bullshit...

['Wolfie]

Fuck Twitter;  Fuck Facebook;  fuck the retard conspiricists deliberately attempting to spread their rancid lies to peddle their own twisted agendas...

Go to the reloable sources, and look for what is actually unfolding out in the real world --  not "off with the faeries" in Twatterland..


Down here among the bushfires and the floods, people are actually working on the problem :

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-29/wuhan-coronavirus-created-in-australian-lab-outside-of-china/11906390

It's no accident that Australian 'institutes' in our uni's are often invited to join in these research programmes --  Australia has been a leading developer and producer of vaccines, antivenenes and antivirals for the past half century.


As veya and I have happily pointed out several times over recent years --  "Big Pharma" companies have never developed anything, nor do they actually do any research --  they simply patent the products and pocket insane and undeserved profits..

['Wolfie]

P.S.  As of yesterday, there were 5 confirmed cases here in Oz.

4 in Sydney, 1 in Melbourne;  (no real surprise there --  as Sydney has the largest Chinese population in Australia --  and some families would have been returning from holidays last week, ready for their kids to return to school this week..).

This week schools were asking that anybody who had visited China this year should keep their children home until they know they don't have this virus..

[eddie]

It’s made it’s way over here now...

[JulesV]

These micro organisms, too tiny to be seen directly, are indeed the great levellers. The humble bacteria and the humble virus mutate at will, they predate humans - and they will eventually 'postdate' us too.

Suddenly the scifi stuff penned by the likes of Stephen King and H.G.Wells doesn't seem quite so far fetched anymore.  

[Ben Reilly]

I read that the UK will be quarantining its citizens who've been to Wuhan at an army base -- bit OTT!

[Original Quill]

I read that the UK has suspended all flights to China. US is considering the same.

[Maddog]

"While the impact of flu varies, it places a substantial burden on the health of people in the United States each year. CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010."


It's got a long way to go before it catches the flu.

But never forget, fear is good for selling papers (or clicks) and is good for politicians who want you to think they are saving you from something. Could be guns, immigrants, gay people, climate change or terrorists.

In this case it's an illness.

[Ben Reilly]

"While the impact of flu varies, it places a substantial burden on the health of people in the United States each year. CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010."


It's got a long way to go before it catches the flu.

But never forget, fear is good for selling papers (or clicks) and is good for politicians who want you to think they are saving you from something. Could be guns, immigrants, gay people, climate change or terrorists.

In this case it's an illness.  

Well, it would be the same in the ideal society as envisioned by many libertarians and anarchists, to be fair.

Where most government institutions would be replaced by private services funded by insurance payments, those companies would certainly find it in the interest of their profits to gin up fear about everything you've mentioned.

So it's really down to human nature -- every problem, real or perceived, becomes an opportunity for someone to benefit.

[Guest]

"While the impact of flu varies, it places a substantial burden on the health of people in the United States each year. CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010."


It's got a long way to go before it catches the flu.

But never forget, fear is good for selling papers (or clicks) and is good for politicians who want you to think they are saving you from something. Could be guns, immigrants, gay people, climate change or terrorists.

In this case it's an illness.  

Well, it would be the same in the ideal society as envisioned by many libertarians and anarchists, to be fair.

Where most government institutions would be replaced by private services funded by insurance payments, those companies would certainly find it in the interest of their profits to gin up fear about everything you've mentioned.

So it's really down to human nature -- every problem, real or perceived, becomes an opportunity for someone to benefit.

Well maybe mother nature is fed up of humans thinking they are gods 

We are long over due a pandemic

Sometimes it has nothing to do with humans. That is arrogance to believe so

We are all susceptible to becoming extinct

If you do not believe me, ask the dinosaurs, who are

The issue here comes from the arrogance of humans. How in a way they think they are immortal

[Maddog]

"While the impact of flu varies, it places a substantial burden on the health of people in the United States each year. CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010."


It's got a long way to go before it catches the flu.

But never forget, fear is good for selling papers (or clicks) and is good for politicians who want you to think they are saving you from something. Could be guns, immigrants, gay people, climate change or terrorists.

In this case it's an illness.  

Well, it would be the same in the ideal society as envisioned by many libertarians and anarchists, to be fair.

Where most government institutions would be replaced by private services funded by insurance payments, those companies would certainly find it in the interest of their profits to gin up fear about everything you've mentioned.

So it's really down to human nature -- every problem, real or perceived, becomes an opportunity for someone to benefit.

That's true. Someone is always trying to sell you something you don't need.

[Original Quill]

"While the impact of flu varies, it places a substantial burden on the health of people in the United States each year. CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010."


It's got a long way to go before it catches the flu.

But never forget, fear is good for selling papers (or clicks) and is good for politicians who want you to think they are saving you from something. Could be guns, immigrants, gay people, climate change or terrorists.

In this case it's an illness.  

Well, it would be the same in the ideal society as envisioned by many libertarians and anarchists, to be fair.

Where most government institutions would be replaced by private services funded by insurance payments, those companies would certainly find it in the interest of their profits to gin up fear about everything you've mentioned.

So it's really down to human nature -- every problem, real or perceived, becomes an opportunity for someone to benefit.

Always remember too, that insurance is just a giant betting game. The company bets that 'bad' won't befall you, and you bet that it will. They've got to make money. So they have got to pay out less than you would on your own. The difference is profit.

['Wolfie]

"While the impact of flu varies, it places a substantial burden on the health of people in the United States each year. CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010."


It's got a long way to go before it catches the flu.

But never forget, fear is good for selling papers (or clicks) and is good for politicians who want you to think they are saving you from something. Could be guns, immigrants, gay people, climate change or terrorists.

In this case it's an illness.  

Well, it would be the same in the ideal society as envisioned by many libertarians and anarchists, to be fair.

Where most government institutions would be replaced by private services funded by insurance payments, those companies would certainly find it in the interest of their profits to gin up fear about everything you've mentioned.

So it's really down to human nature -- every problem, real or perceived, becomes an opportunity for someone to benefit.

It would be much, much worse in a "Libertarian" paradise...

No CDC's
No public health services
No public hospitals
No public emergency services
No quarantine services

Companies able to charge whatever fees they choose;
Media services allowed to transmit any bullshit they like..

And all the while, those 'Libertarian' fucktards would take the Evangelicals' approach of offering everybody their "thoughts and prayers."

['Wolfie]

I read that the UK will be quarantining its citizens who've been to Wuhan at an army base -- bit OTT!

Australia can go one better...

We have a whole island that can be utilised as a quarantine station :

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/anxious-australian-families-stuck-in-wuhan-await-details-of-evacuation-to-christmas-island

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2020/01/30/peter-dutton-christmas-island-quarantine/

[gelico]

There are currently 9,821 confirmed cases worldwide, including 213 fatalities.

[Victorismyhero]

could this be called

wait for it











































KUNG FLU

[gelico]

There are currently 11,337 confirmed cases worldwide, including 259 fatalities.

[Victorismyhero]

2.2% mortality rate

[Victorismyhero]

SARS arount 10-15%

spanish flu world wide 10% in the UK 2% (even then)

[Vintage]

I don't think the quarantine is OTT, not when China has quarantined a whole city and restricted a whole province. Maybe this is a lot more serious than is being reported or is potentially more serious once it gets 'free'. There was a video of an apparent chinese doctor or nurse who said the whole situation was far worse than being reported many more patients and deaths than on the news. We'll find out one way or another.

[Tommy Monk]

could this be called

wait for it











































KUNG FLU

[Tommy Monk]

I don't think the quarantine is OTT, not when China has quarantined a whole city and restricted a whole province. Maybe this is a lot more serious than is being reported or is potentially more serious once it gets 'free'. There was a video of an apparent chinese doctor or nurse who said the whole situation was far worse than being reported many more patients and deaths than on the news. We'll find out one way or another.

Yes, very true!

[gelico]

There are currently 13,950 confirmed cases worldwide, including 304 fatalities.

[Victorismyhero]

still 2% then

[Eilzel]

There are currently 13,950 confirmed cases worldwide, including 304 fatalities.

A British man in Wuhan claims the numbers are likely much higher and the CCP are covering up the severity. It is scary to think it could be worse and we are carrying on unaware.

[Vintage]

There are currently 13,950 confirmed cases worldwide, including 304 fatalities.

Seeing politics in action all the time - you believe that without question?

[gelico]

There are currently 13,950 confirmed cases worldwide, including 304 fatalities.

Seeing politics in action all the time - you believe that without question?

I never claimed to believe it, Vin

just reporting what's out there

[Vintage]

Seeing politics in action all the time - you believe that without question?

I never claimed to believe it, Vin

just reporting what's out there

So glad, Gelico.
Unusual that China is so open about it all, well more open than they usually are, shutting down a city and province, that does concern me,
now there's also a bird flu outbreak. Was anywhere quarantined during the MERS, SARS and bird flu incidents, I don't remember hearing about it.

[gelico]

I never claimed to believe it, Vin

just reporting what's out there

So glad, Gelico.
Unusual that China is so open about it all, well more open than they usually are, shutting down a city and province, that does concern me,
now there's also a bird flu outbreak. Was anywhere quarantined during the MERS, SARS and bird flu incidents, I don't remember hearing about it.

i dont believe anything until i see facts and evidence and even then it should all be thoroughly questioned

rumour has it that apparently the corona virus is patented, ie, someone actually owns it. (bio weapon)

also the tweets out of China are much less now than they were before when the news first broke

meanwhile, latest report says,,,

There are currently 16,758 confirmed cases worldwide, including 361 fatalities.


i have no idea what the media is saying about this (if anything)

are there news reports?

[Vintage]

I admit I haven't heard that much except that Russia has closed its border with China.
There are videos by people saying they are in the city that's locked down and that it is far worse than being reported. You can't get through to emergency services, its virtually impossible to get to a hospital, if you do you wait for hours and if you weren't sick before you probably will be, when you are seen you are given an injection and told to go home and isolate yourself. Medics are saying they don't have the facilities, manpower or resources and that it is again much worse than reported, the problem is, is it true. I think it probably is true that its worse than being reported but by how much, who knows for sure.

[Victorismyhero]

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

['Wolfie]

still 2% then

The mortality rate is a lot lower than with SARS, Spanish Flu et al..

However, it is seems more contagious and prevalent, spreading at a much faster pace...

This virus has been spreading at the rate of a 60+% increase week-on-week over the past month;

Meaning the number of cases are growing 'exponentially'.  (Or, maybe even at 'Fibonacci sequence' statistical growth rates?)

[Original Quill]

still 2% then

The mortality rate is a lot lower than with SARS, Spanish Flu et al..

However, it is seems more contagious and prevalent, spreading at a much faster pace...

This virus has been spreading at the rate of a 60+% increase week-on-week over the past month;

Meaning the number of cases are growing 'exponentially'.  (Or, maybe even at 'Fibonacci sequence' statistical growth rates?)

Part of that is the low effectiveness rate (coronavirus = 2; whereas SARS = 10). According to Chief Medical Correspondent at ABC, Dr. Jennifer Ashton, that means that a lot more people are walking around with it either ignoring symptoms, or simply don't know they have it.

[gelico]

19,843 confirmed cases worldwide, including 426 fatalities.

[Victorismyhero]

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

['Wolfie]

Maps of infection spreads and rates are also available on YoiTube...

One example :

https://youtu.be/qgylp3Td1Bw

[gelico]

There are currently 23,865 confirmed cases worldwide, including 492 fatalities.

[gelico]

There are currently 27,602 confirmed cases worldwide, including 564 fatalities.

[gelico]

There are currently 31,527 confirmed cases worldwide, including 639 fatalities.

[gelico]

There are currently 34,375 confirmed cases worldwide, including 719 fatalities.

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