Coronavirus updates (gelico's original thread)

[gelico]

First topic message reminder :

seems to be spreading rapidly

tests show it started in a animal market

[eddie]

Pretty much every thread that’s not political turns into something political on here.
It does become rather tedious.

[Tommy Monk]

Eddie... It would be better if quill wasn't allowed to continuously derail every thread onto his obsession for ranting about Trump...

[eddie]

Eddie... It would be better if quill wasn't allowed to continuously derail every thread onto his obsession for ranting about Trump...

I agree but you often tend to derail some threads and make them about immigrants or Muslims, don’t you?

[Tommy Monk]

No... I don't think I start any derailments...

[Original Quill]

Eddie... It would be better if quill wasn't allowed to continuously derail every thread onto his obsession for ranting about Trump...

You just don't like where the discussion is going, and you can't think of an answer.  So, you seize on the rules of censorship in order to stop certain discussions.

The real discussion is--or should be--what is wrong, and why this is happening?  It's happening because the US, normally the world expert and conscience on health dangers, has undergone a declawing and can no longer respond.  Of course Trump comes up because he is the declawer-in-chief.  But, make no mistake, the issue is the fecklessness of the US Center for Disease Control.

[Ben Reilly]

It's getting quite scary now. A virus that seemed so far away, is spreading ever closer. There have been quite a few Schools closing and Public Services too. There seems to be lots walking around with masks on in the bigger towns and cities.  

I hate that ... the other day, I was on the Tube and a woman in a face mask sat next to me, so I faked a coughing jag just because I'm a bastard that way.

[Tommy Monk]

Quill... The virus started in China...


What steps would you advocate...!!!???


Banning travel to USA of Chinese looking people...!?


Just like you supported the banning of entry to some Muslims arriving from countries with high threat of terrorism...!!!???

[Tommy Monk]

Latest Updates

NORTH AMERICA

United States


1st death in the United States in Washington State. [source]
Travel advisory raised to level 4: Do not travel to specific regions in Italy and South Korea.
Travel from Iran banned.
Recent new cases in Washington State, Oregon and California suggest local, person-to-person spread of the virus in the United States.
3 new cases in the United States earlier today: [source] [source] [source]
- 1 in Washington State: a 18-year-old student from Jackson High School in Mill Creek with no travel history to an outbreak area who on Feb. 24 had body aches, chills and a headache. After feeling better, he returned to school, before test results came out on Feb. 28. The school will be closed for a few days of deep disinfecting.
- 1 in Washington State: a woman in her 50s with confirmed travel to Daegu, South Korea.
- 1 in Oregon [source]

1 new case in Mexico: a man who had traveled to Northern Italy with 2 previously confirmed cases [source]
1 new case in Canada (Ontario): a man in his 80s with a travel history to Egypt

[ Feb. 29 News ↑ ]

EUROPE

239 new cases and 8 new deaths in Italy. Among the 1,049 active cases, 401 (38%) are hospitalized, and 105 (10%) are in intensive care. Among the 79 closed cases, 50 (63%) have recovered, 29 (37%) have died. [source] [source]
43 new cases in France bringing the total in the country to 100. New cases include: [source] [source]
3 health workers at the Tenon Hospital in Paris who were contaminated by a patient who is in intensive care since Feb. 21. [source]
“All public gatherings of more than 5,000 people in a confined space are temporarily banned across France,” Health Minister Olivier Veran told journalists. The Paris half-marathon scheduled for Sunday, March 1 has been cancelled as a consequence.
8 new cases in Norway, bringing the total to 15 in the country. Among the new cases, 4 are in Bergen and 3 are employees of the Ullevål University Hospital in Oslo. The authorities know the source of contagion for all 15 cases which are all linked to outbreaks abroad. [source]
10 new cases in Switzerland, of which:
4 in the circle of the two children of an Italian family in Graubünden who tested positive last week. [source]
4 new cases in the Netherlands:
- 2: the daughter and wife of the patient hospitalized in Tilburg who had recently visited Lombardy, Italy. [source]
- 2: the "partner and the youngest child of the patient who is in home isolation in Diemen" [source]
1 new case in Croatia
3 new cases in the U.K: 2 had recently traveled to Italy, 1 to Asia. [source]
-- 1 in Gloucestershire
- 1 in Berkshire
- 1 in Hertfordshire
1 new case in Georgia: a Georgian citizen who, having returned from Iran and showing high fever, was immediately taken to Tbilisi Infectious Hospital from the border checkpoint. [source]
1 new case in Sweden, bringing the total to 12 in the country: 5 in Västra Götaland, 3 in the Stockholm region, 2 in the Jönköping Region, 2 in the Uppsala Region.
1 new case in Norway: an employee at the eye department at Ullevål University Hospital in Oslo, as tests were conducted on 4 staff members with symptoms after that, on Feb. 28, Covid-19 infection was confirmed in a staff member who had traveled to Northern Italy, showed symptoms on Sunday but still went to work on Monday and Tuesday. [source]
1 new case in Denmark: an employee at the Aarhus University Hospital in northern Denmark. [source]
5 new cases in Germany.
- Feb. 20: Italy's outbreak begins.
- Feb. 26: “We are at the beginning of a coronavirus epidemic in Germany,” said German Health Minister Jens Spahn, adding that infection chains can no longer be tracked in Germany [source] . The German government saw no need to advise its citizens against travel to Italy [source]
- Feb. 28: German government announced that travelers arriving from South Korea, Japan, Italy and Iran must declare their health status upon arrival. Passengers from China were already required to do so.
2 new cases in Austria, (where 1,649 tests were done, with 9, or 0.5%, testing positive) [source]
- A couple from the Korneuburg district in Lower Austria. The woman is now hospitalized, the man is isolated at home.
17 new cases in Spain [source]
Current distribution and new cases today (+):

13 in the Valencia area (+5)
10 in Madrid (+5)
8 in Andalusia (+2)
6 in Catalonia (+3)
6 in the Canary Islands
2 in Castile and León
3 in the Basque Country (+1)
2 in the Balearic Islands (+1)
0 in Aragon (previous confirmation retracted [source] )

New cases include:
- a woman in Majorca
- a 52-year-old woman in Girona who had recently traveled to Italy
- man in Sant Cugat del Vallès (north of Barcelona) "who was in intimate contact with one of the previously confirmed cases" as reported by health authorities.

[ Feb. 29 News ↑ ]

MIDDLE EAST

[ Feb. 29 News ↑ ]

SOUTH AMERICA

1st case in Ecuador: an Ecuadorian citizen, resident of Spain, who entered Ecuador on Feb. 14 without showing any symptom. [source]

[ Feb. 29 News ↑ ]

ASIA

2 new cases in Pakistan
4 new cases and 3 new discharges in Singapore [source]
813 new cases and 1 new death in South Korea. [source] [source] [source]
1 new case in Thailand
5 new cases in Taiwan
8 new cases in Japan:
- 1: a 20-year-old nurse in Tokyo who had contact with a patient who died of coronavirus
- 1: a nurse in her 30s in Kochi
- 1: a men in his 60s in Niigata City
- 1: a woman in her 60s, a woman in her 30s, and a women in her 20s who work in Sapporo
- 3: woman in her 90s who lives in Tomakomai
- 1: a 70-year-old male in Sendai City (Tohoku region) who, having tested negative, got off the Diamond Princess cruise ship on Feb. 20. On Feb. 28, however, he complained of low-grade fever and sore throat. On Feb. 29, he tested positive to Covid-19. He is in mild condition. [source]

[ Feb. 29 News ↑ ]

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WHO raises Global Risk from Coronavirus to the highest level of alert “We have now increased our assessment of the risk of spread and the risk of impact of COVID-19 to very high at global level,” World Health Organization chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus told reporters.

“If we don’t take action... that may be a future that we have to experience,” he said, adding that “a lot of the future of this epidemic is in the hands of ourselves.” [source]

NORTH AMERICA

1 new case in the United States in Santa Clara County, California. It’s the second case of unknown origin. [source]
2 new cases in the United States from the Diamond Princess cruise ship. [source]
1 new case in Mexico, (Sinaloa), a 41-year old man who had recently traveled to Italy. He is linked to the first case. [source]
1st case in Mexico (Mexico City): a man who had recently traveled to Northern Italy [source]
1 new case in Canada (Quebec): a woman who had returned to Montreal from a trip to Iran on a flight from Doha, Qatar. She went to a clinic on Feb. 24, with minor symptoms. She did not take public transit to get to the clinic, and she hadn't gone back to work since returning from Iran, so she has "limited contact" with people in the community.

[Original Quill]

Quill... The virus started in China...

What steps would you advocate...!!!???

Banning travel to USA of Chinese looking people...!?

There are basically two steps that one can take in a pandemic: (1) distancing; and (2) attacking the problem.  The first is creating barriers to travel, isolation and barring entry, thus putting distance between the would-be victim and the one who is ill.  The second involves sending in medical teams, properly equipped, with proven methods of analysis, testing, trending and cures.

By far, the first is heavy-handed and unproven, while the second is most effective, but requires resources.  The US Center for Disease Control (CDC) has always been the place that the world turns to whenever a world-wide threat appears.  However, it has been decimated by lack of leadership and deprivation of resources, including lack of funding, and lack of replacements when someone leaves.

Whole research projects have been canceled, which would have kept the CDC up-to-date on any pathogens coming down the pike.  By eliminating these projects, when a new pathogen comes along--like Covid-19--the CDC is left months, if not years behind, and having to play catch-up.  The world waits, and people die.

I would advocate never putting a stop to the activity of the CDC in the first place.  If we can’t have that, then remove the persons and impediments to having it.  Get back on track, and never let it happen again.  That’s my recommendation.

[JulesV]

Aww bless, Thorin is splashing the red about, again. Your fave hobby eh, kid?  

All because of my heinous crime of boomeranging your own insult back at you. I said you should look in the mirror when making accusations & I said it jestingly, hence the laughter smiley.

Thanks to whoever tried to neutralise it with a greenie. It's not nice clicking on to a thread and seeing red splashes, like a bloodbath.  

[eddie]

Okay, so I’m half-hoping that Ben gets the coronavirus so I have an excuse to add this to my collection...




What ya sayin’ fam?

[Ben Reilly]

Okay, so I’m half-hoping that Ben gets the coronavirus so I have an excuse to add this to my collection...




What ya sayin’ fam?

That I'm half-hoping too...

[JulesV]

Not everyone is fully convinced of that, it's still early days.

Thing is, when you catch flu you get sick very quickly. Very short incubation period.  
With corona it can take a while before the symptoms appear - up to two weeks! Hence the infected person can unknowingly spread it around before realising he/she habours the virus. That makes it 'dangerous'. >>


Consider this conundrum. Which vehicle is more dangerous in a crowd?
A huge articulated lorry which has a very loud horn which it always blows ...... versus a small van which has no horn.
Pedestrians can hear the big lorry blowing its horn and they will jump out of its way.
The van won't cause as much injury if it hits people - but it has no way of alerting people to its presence.

The huge articulated lorry is always going to be more dangerous

As the danger is based on the potential harm caused.

Not preventative measures

You are offering a misguided view, that people will always get out of the way , when in panic mode. A smaller lorry is always going to hit lesser people than a bigger one. Those hit, never had a chance to react. As the speed of such an incident. Is beyond the ability of most humans to react to,

Hence you are talking gibberish Jules.

I threw in that analogy of 2 vehicles simply cos I wanted to  highlight that there are several variables involved when comparing how deadly these viruses are, not just the stats.

I never did actually say which vehicle was more dangerous, I simply mentioned that they were both dangerous in different ways.

You missed the point, cos you were overthinking it too much, you took things too literally. Then you accuse me of talking gibberish - the post wasn't even addressed to you.

Fricking panto, LMAO!!  

[Guest]

I see Jules is still incapable of taking criticism for dumb views

Hey ho and also a poor liar, claiming the larger lorry would be easier to avoid based on the sound of a horn. Yep as dumb as it gets

This is complete gibberish

https://newsfix.niceboard.com/t28537p200-coronavirus

[JulesV]

Whatever!

[Tommy Monk]

March 1 (GMT):

EUROPE

UK: Coronavirus outbreak could force UK to shut down entire cities, health secretary admits. He also said a research paper suggesting half a million people in the UK could die in the event of a flu pandemic was a “reasonable worst-case scenario.”

American Airlines has announced it is suspending flights to and from Milan, Italy from both New York and Miami from March 1, 2020 until April 25, 2020, citing reduced demand. The announcement comes only hours after the U.S. State Department said it was raising its travel warning to Level 4: Do Not Travel for parts of Italy due to the coronavirus outbreak.

[Tommy Monk]

School in Berkshire closed cos a staff member tests positive.

[gelico]

I hope you are not including me in that statement, Thorin.
It's me Maddog was replying to and I have made no mention of any politics, let alone ''tried to score political points''.

Why don't you take your grievances DIRECTLY to whoever is discussing politics,
rather than inappropriately posting a rant at the wrong post??

Do you suffer with paranoia?

Most of my recently replies were in regards to Quills false statements about Trump

I cannot stand trump, but yet Quill invoked countless bullshit here to score political points

If you had of read my replies that was obvious and had bugger all to do with you

it really wasn't though, didge

i honestly thought you were getting a swipe at jules for some reason only because she was included in your post, whereas quill wasn't.

if you're referring to a particular poster it might make things clearer if you actually name the poster rather than just saying ''some people''. it does make your meaning a bit vague

just saying

[JulesV]

+1  

Thank you gelico.  
It wasn't even a big deal, he could have just reassured me he wasn't referring to me and then moved on.  Easy!

The vehicle analogy I posted got him a bit excited too - even tho it wasn't addressed to him.

Hey ho, whatever!

Off for lunch now,  I will log in tonight for chats & giggles.

[gelico]

+1  

Thank you gelico.  
It wasn't even a big deal, he could have just reassured me he wasn't referring to me and then moved on.  Easy!

The vehicle analogy I posted got him a bit excited too - even tho it wasn't addressed to him.

Hey ho, whatever!

Off for lunch now,  I will log in tonight for chats & giggles.

i understood your analogy ok

catch you later

[Tommy Monk]

35 cases in UK now... 1 in Essex has not travelled anywhere abroad recently.

[Tommy Monk]

Almost 1700 cases in Italy now...

[gelico]

There are currently 88,251 confirmed cases worldwide, including 3,000 fatalities.

[Tommy Monk]

Italy stats...


Among the 117 closed cases, 83 (71%) have recovered, 34 (29%) have died.

[Guest]

It almost sounds as if you WANT a global pandemic wih millions of deaths, Tommy, just so that you can say you were right.
Not sure why that would be, because you would probably be a vunerable as the next man, unless you live on a desert island.

['Wolfie]

Italy stats...


Among the 117 closed cases, 83 (71%) have recovered, 34 (29%) have died.

And fuckwit Tommy continues on and on, with his meaningless "calculations", while continuing to prove his total lack of any idea of either 'Epidemiology' or 'Statistical Analysis', or Maths in general for that matter.

[nicko]

And what University did you go to Wolfie ?

[Tommy Monk]

The stats I post are copied directly from the link below...


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[Tommy Monk]

While it is true that Italy currently has over 1700 cases... It is also true that if you include these in the calculation compared to numbers who have died, the resulting figure is totally inaccurate because you have added so many new cases that have yet to reach an outcome... But where the resulting outcome for many of these will also actually be death...

[Tommy Monk]

30 new cases in France. Among the 114 active cases, 9 (8%) are in critical condition. Among the 14 closed cases, the outcome has been: 12 discharged (86%) and 2 deaths (14%).

[Tommy Monk]

Cases on board the diamond princess cruise ship in Japan...


10 have recovered and been discharged... 7 have died...

[Tommy Monk]

It almost sounds as if you WANT a global pandemic wih millions of deaths, Tommy, just so that you can say you were right.
Not sure why that would be, because you would probably be a vunerable as the next man, unless you live on a desert island.

I am merely posting figures that are widely available, and that show the real risk, and that show that much more needs to be done to stop the spread of this virus by having much stricter controls on movements and quarantines.


I don't totally trust the figures from China or Iran... Although what they are admitting to is bad enough... The figures we are seeing in more trustworthy countries appear to be much worse...


I don't want any of it... But I think the truth is being downplayed, and I think much more could be and should be being done to contain and stop this virus spreading more widely here in UK and elsewhere... Because I think that the reality of it actually spreading widely will be much much worse!

[nicko]

+1

[Eilzel]

It almost sounds as if you WANT a global pandemic wih millions of deaths, Tommy, just so that you can say you were right.
Not sure why that would be, because you would probably be a vunerable as the next man, unless you live on a desert island.

I am merely posting figures that are widely available, and that show the real risk, and that show that much more needs to be done to stop the spread of this virus by having much stricter controls on movements and quarantines.


I don't totally trust the figures from China or Iran... Although what they are admitting to is bad enough... The figures we are seeing in more trustworthy countries appear to be much worse...


I don't want any of it... But I think the truth is being downplayed, and I think much more could be and should be being done to contain and stop this virus spreading more widely here in UK and elsewhere... Because I think that the reality of it actually spreading widely will be much much worse!

Every country should have fully closed their borders to China the moment the outbreak was known.

The reason countries, even now, are reluctant to do so wirh widely infected countries, is pure filthy economics.

[Original Quill]

The reason countries, even now, are reluctant to do so wirh widely infected countries, is pure filthy economics.

Um...China is the second largest trading partner in the whole world. How are we going to get the medicines with which to combat this pandemic...they all come from China?

[Eilzel]

The reason countries, even now, are reluctant to do so wirh widely infected countries, is pure filthy economics.

Um...China is the second largest trading partner in the whole world.  How are we going to get the medicines with which to combat this pandemic...they all come from China?

Obviously exceptions can be made for absolute essentials, but just continuing to allow travel for the wider population is reckless. Apparently the new case in New York came from Iran - how can that be allowed to happen?

[nicko]

+1

[Guest]

Cannot but help feel we are past the point of no return.
It WILL becomes a pandemic, all we can do is minimise personal risk by no unnecessary travel, meeting in huge numbers for music/sporting events and ramping up personal hygiene by meticulous hand washing and using tissues or handkerchiefs.
Getting the virus may be unavoidable, but simple precautions will reduce the chance of catching it.

[gelico]

it cannot be prevented from spreading. no one knows who has it

people will be mixing without knowing they have it as the symptoms don't (necessarily) show until at least 2 weeks

alls i can suggest is boosting your own immune systems as much as possible

garlic
ginger
turmeric
brocolli
papaya
nuts


etc, etc

[Guest]

Blimey. Eating that lot will keep people yards away from you. Halitosis or flatulence. What is worse?

[gelico]

Bl8mey. Eating that lot will keep people yards away from you. Halitosis or flatulence. What is worse?

hahahahahaha, very true

i'd still rather that than the coronavirus though

[Maddog]

I am merely posting figures that are widely available, and that show the real risk, and that show that much more needs to be done to stop the spread of this virus by having much stricter controls on movements and quarantines.


I don't totally trust the figures from China or Iran... Although what they are admitting to is bad enough... The figures we are seeing in more trustworthy countries appear to be much worse...


I don't want any of it... But I think the truth is being downplayed, and I think much more could be and should be being done to contain and stop this virus spreading more widely here in UK and elsewhere... Because I think that the reality of it actually spreading widely will be much much worse!

Every country should have fully closed their borders to China the moment the outbreak was known.

The reason countries, even now, are reluctant to do so wirh widely infected countries, is pure filthy economics.

It's a bit more complicated than that. Trump has closed our borders for completely different reasons.

[Original Quill]

On the news yesterday, it was said that Trump was considering closing the US southern border--as if Covid-19 singles out Mexicans.

Trump considered closing the southern border before, and he met great opposition.  Mexico is the third largest trading partner with the US, behind only Canada and China.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_trading_partners_of_the_United_States  Daily, essentials come across the border, and it would disrupt the US more than anyone else.

[Fred Moletrousers]

For only the second time in my life I am truly scared; the other time was the Cuban missile crisis when I was still on RAF active reserve and received a warning that recall could be imminent.

[Tommy Monk]

I think your concerns are well founded moley...


The implications of this virus are certainly worrying...!

[Victorismyhero]

Moley..get plenty of snap in (and beer) and prepare to pull up the drawbridge for a month or so....

[Maddog]

Although the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) maintain that the immediate health risk posed by COVID-19 remains low for the general American public, Nancy Messonnier, director of the organization’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, has warned that the disease’s spread throughout the country is “not so much a question of if this will happen anymore, but rather more a question of exactly when this will happen.”

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/everything-you-need-know-about-covid-19-180974313/?fbclid=IwAR1y2GfRiD_CbKjxI8h9S9XD43IJ60BUMaB6pr4hnhaNMOGVQmUhJcq6oSM#.Xl2SW4cOEQU.facebook

I think the biggest threat we are facing is an overreaction to a very minor threat.

['Wolfie]

Bl8mey. Eating that lot will keep people yards away from you. Halitosis or flatulence. What is worse?

hahahahahaha, very true

i'd still rather that than the coronavirus though

Yep... Forget all the blarney about boosting the immune system..

That's how it really works -- a self-generated 'force field' to keep everybody at a respectable distance, and repel all potential invaders.

And don't forget the chillies, cider vinegar.. And cabbage...

[JulesV]

For only the second time in my life I am truly scared; the other time was the Cuban missile crisis when I was still on RAF active reserve and received a warning that recall could be imminent.

Will you be holed up at your farm till the coast is clear, Fred?

[gelico]

There are 93,550 confirmed cases worldwide, including 3,204 fatalities.

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