Coronavirus updates (gelico's original thread)

[gelico]

First topic message reminder :

seems to be spreading rapidly

tests show it started in a animal market

[Tommy Monk]

It's what I've been saying all along!!!

[Tommy Monk]

An interesting, and also worrying statistic is that out of all the cases so far that have reached their full conclusion... ie recovered or died...


There are about 5000 cases that have run their full course...


About 4000 have fully recovered and now testing clear of the virus...


About 1000 have died from the virus...


So the recovery/death rate is 80%/20%...

This was my post from page 2...!



Couldn't have been clearer!!!

[Eilzel]

An interesting, and also worrying statistic is that out of all the cases so far that have reached their full conclusion... ie recovered or died...


There are about 5000 cases that have run their full course...


About 4000 have fully recovered and now testing clear of the virus...


About 1000 have died from the virus...


So the recovery/death rate is 80%/20%...

This was my post from page 2...!



Couldn't have been clearer!!!

On page 2 you were clearly arguing against the given mortality rate of 2-3%, saying it couldn't be calculated, despite the fact experts have been.

But if you are now saying you aren't questioning the mortality rare, then no problem!

[Tommy Monk]

I've explained several times...

[Tommy Monk]

You cannot get a true indication of likely survival/death rate for this new virus when you include so many new unresolved cases into the equation... The result will be a false low figure... Because none of the huge number of new cases have had their outcome yet...


You are much better off only looking at the numbers for those cases that have run their course... In order to have a likely survival/death rate figure...!!!


As I've said all along.

[Tommy Monk]

And if you look at the info on the link... It says the method of calculating the rate while including so many new cases will skew the true actual figure...

[Tommy Monk]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/feb/25/coronavirus-live-updates-outbreak-latest-news-italy-italia-deaths-symptoms-china-stocks-wall-street-dow-jones-economy-falls


Italy has large increase in cases... Hotel in Tenerife on lockdown over cases...


Plus other European countries confirm first cases...


There will be loads returning to UK from Italy from ski holidays... So we will probably start getting loads of outbreaks now here in UK...

[Tommy Monk]

It's now being called SARS-CoV-2 (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2)

[Original Quill]

It's now being called SARS-CoV-2 (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2)

Over here there's is not a problem yet. Although CV is a derivative of SARS, it's like where SARS is a 10, CV is a 2. CV is not classed as 'severe'.

All the public protection cuts that the Trump administration has made are now beginning to show. The Centers for Disease Control is so defunded, it no longer works in a pandemic.

[eddie]

A school very close to me closed today due to a teacher “showing symptoms” after returning from Italy where there have been victims of coronavirus.
She has been quarantined and the school has been sanitised, so I have heard.

[Ben Reilly]

Right-wing radio pundit Rush Limbaugh has claimed that coronavirus has been ginned up to make Trump look bad, and also that it's the common cold. (Never heard of anybody dying of a cold)

[gelico]

There are currently 81,714 confirmed cases worldwide, including 2,771 fatalities.

[gelico]

It's now being called SARS-CoV-2 (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2)

Over here there's is not a problem yet.  Although CV is a derivative of SARS, it's like where SARS is a 10, CV is a 2.  CV is not classed as 'severe'.

All the public protection cuts that the Trump administration has made are now beginning to show.  The Centers for Disease Control is so defunded, it no longer works in a pandemic.

theres about 50-60 cases in US now

[gelico]

A school very close to me closed today due to a teacher “showing symptoms” after returning from Italy where there have been victims of coronavirus.
She has been quarantined and the school has been sanitised, so I have heard.

canary wharf shut down today

13 cases in uk

[Original Quill]

Over here there's is not a problem yet.  Although CV is a derivative of SARS, it's like where SARS is a 10, CV is a 2.  CV is not classed as 'severe'.

All the public protection cuts that the Trump administration has made are now beginning to show.  The Centers for Disease Control is so defunded, it no longer works in a pandemic.

theres about 50-60 cases in US now

And that's just in the last day or two. It's transmission rate is high.

[Original Quill]

Stock market crashes in wake of coronavirus. Monday down about 1,000 pts. Tuesday, 170 pts. Wednesday 800 pts. Today already, down 679 pts.

A lot of it has to do with Trumps failure to support and fund basic public protections. As disease creates instability, markets suffer from inactivity, thus the economy tanks. Our entire electronics manufacturing is done in China; look how Trump's heavy hand has destroyed that link. Little did Trump realize that supporting public protections and good ties would support his beloved markets. He didn't, and now markets are in the tank.

Chickens come home to roost. They say it takes about 3-years for a policy to take effect. That means the heated economy that Obama built up, is now dying a slow death because Trump failed to plant the seeds, and water the sprouts. He was too busy destroying trade agreements, and consequently ruining local economies.

[nicko]

I thought that the Economy was looking up, more people in work, especially Blacks, or don't you read about the good stuff and concentrate only on downsides ?

[Daenerys]

It's getting quite scary now. A virus that seemed so far away, is spreading ever closer. There have been quite a few Schools closing and Public Services too. There seems to be lots walking around with masks on in the bigger towns and cities.

[Victorismyhero]

its coming to get you........

[nicko]

A School near me has closed, Teachers and some Pupils have just returned from Italy !

[Original Quill]

I thought that the Economy was looking up, more people in work, especially Blacks, or don't you read about the good stuff and concentrate only on downsides ?

The stock market closed down 1,190 pts. today. That's about 3,450 pts. for the week. The stock market requires stability. Japan has closed all schools til the end of March. If you close schools, parents must take off work to look after kids. Workers who don't work, closes down whole companies. If kids are home from school parents can't shop, and sales go down. You close off commercial activity, all business stops.

The economy is not looking up. That's even before someone actually gets sick.

[gelico]

There are currently 83,365 confirmed cases worldwide, including 2,855 fatalities.

[nicko]

Quill, that's nothing to do with Trump though is it ?

[JulesV]

There are currently 83,365 confirmed cases worldwide, including 2,855 fatalities.

Covid19 is certainly asserting itself !!
Spreading out from Wuhan/Hubei like ripples in a pond.... to every corner of the world.
Where will it all end?

[Original Quill]

Quill, that's nothing to do with Trump though is it ?

Yes, it's all on Trump.  One of the first things Trump did when he took office was to go on a campaign to deregulate everything.  The purpose of regulation is not to make life hard for corporations, but to promote public protections.  When Trump removed all the protections in public health, and defunded the Center for Disease Control (CDC), he opened the door for catastrophe.  And voilà, here comes the first pandemic, walking right through.

Right now, the problem is that there are no longer enough test kits to test for Covid-19.  Thus, we have no ability to detect and trace public trends of the disease.  Without trends, we do not recognize symptoms, means of transmission, and have limited ability to stop the spread.

Other issues, involve the kinds of protective gear the medics should wear, and how to sterilize an area.  One of the 747's that brought sick patients in from Japan landed at Travis AFB, outside Sacramento.  It was met by a bunch of ignorant Trumpster-medical staff, who went in without protection.  Less than a week later, we detect the first community-transmitted Covid-19 case in America.  Where is she?  In a hospital in Sacramento.

We all know that Trump is dumber than sheit.  Yesterday, amid a press conference of schooled professionals, who were urging the public to be prepared and what to do, in comes Trump, and before the cameras tells the world that there is no problem...it's only 15-cases in America...tomorrow there will be none!  Right now, the CDC is monitoring 110-cases.

Yep, it's all on Trump.

[Maddog]

WASHINGTON (AP) — Democratic presidential contenders are describing the federal infectious-disease bureaucracy as rudderless and ill-prepared for the coronavirus threat because of budget cuts and ham-handed leadership by President Donald Trump. That’s a distorted picture. For starters, Trump hasn’t succeeded in cutting the budget.

He’s proposed cuts but Congress ignored him and increased financing instead. The National Institutes of Health and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention aren’t suffering from budget cuts that never took effect.


https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104


More real news at the link, for those interested in such things.

[Original Quill]

Trump defends huge cuts to the CDC's budget by saying the government can hire more doctors 'when we need them' during crises

Business Insider•businessinsider.com (Joseph Zeballos-Roig)
Business Insider•February 27, 2020

President Donald Trump defended his huge budget cuts to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention during a Wednesday press conference on the federal government's response to the coronavirus.

He said it was easy to bolster the public-health agency and cited his business approach toward running the federal government.

"I'm a businessperson. I don't like having thousands of people around when you don't need them," Trump said. "When we need them, we can get them back very quickly."

The president said some of the experts targeted by the cuts "hadn't been used for many years" and that additional federal money and new medical staffers could be obtained swiftly since "we know all the good people."

The remarks came as CDC experts warned that the virus' spread in the US was "inevitable" and urged Americans to prepare. But the Trump administration has spent the past two years cutting critical positions and gutting programs, which health experts said weakened the federal government's ability to manage a health crisis.

In 2018, the White House eliminated a position on the National Security Council tasked with coordinating a global pandemic response. The CDC that same year also axed 80% of its efforts to combat disease outbreaks overseas because its funds were depleted.

In its latest budget proposal, the Trump administration proposed a 16% cut to CDC funding — even as Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar seeks emergency spending from lawmakers to combat the coronavirus.

It has spread to at least 47 countries so far after originating in China. Europe has been hit particularly hard by the coronavirus. The US has 60 confirmed cases so far, though the vast majority of them came from infections overseas.

Jen Kates, the director of the Global Health and HIV Policy Program at the Kaiser Family Foundation, said in an email to Business Insider that the latest round of proposed budget cuts "would certainly hamper the work of the agency."

She said CDC has "already been grappling with tight resources for addressing the nation's public health, as well as domestic and global health security threats."

"To date, such funding has been episodic, typically coming only after outbreaks hit a tipping point and rarely being enough to shore up resources in the long run," Kates said.

Other experts elaborated on the cumbersome process to shore up a government agency that's been battered by rounds of budget cuts.

Don Moynihan, a public-management professor at Georgetown University, said in a tweet that "once you have gutted institutional capacity you cannot, in fact, quickly restore it."

Appropriating federal money to the CDC would require a bill from Congress that passes both chambers and gets Trump's signature, Bobby Kogan, the chief mathematician for the Senate Budget Committee, said.

"In addition to requiring a new law to be passed to hire people, you have to actually, you know, spend the time to hire people," Kogan said in a tweet.

Business Insider

Congress is irrelevant to Trump.  Haven't we learned that yet?  Trump can do what he wants, bypassing Congress whenever he wants.  He simply, unilaterally diverts the money to his coveted wall, or wherever, ignoring Congress' control of the budgetary process. He just puts the money in another pocket, doesn't hire replacements, and doesn't buy the equipment. Most of all, his goons--the brigade of 'acting directors', who lack Senate approval--refuse to fund any sort of research.

Another example is his withholding congressional aid to Ukraine, when it suited his (and Russia's) needs.  Under the Impoundment Control Act, he must notify Congress if he isn't going to go through with payment of money.  He withheld the money, failed to notify Congress in his scheme of extortion.  That is called embezzlement, particularly when is was for personal gain.

Budgets mean nothing to Trump.

[Guest]

Quill, that's nothing to do with Trump though is it ?

We all know that Trump is dumber than sheit.  Yesterday, amid a press conference of schooled professionals, who were urging the public to be prepared and what to do, in comes Trump, and before the cameras tells the world that there is no problem...it's only 15-cases in America...tomorrow there will be none!  Right now, the CDC is monitoring 110-cases.

Yep, it's all on Trump.

Telling Porkies Quill
I cannot stand trump, but what he sad, was mainly accurate in line as to what health officials have been saying

"The risk to the American people remains very low," Trump said during the news conference.

Later, pressed on whether he agreed with health officials' view that coronavirus will inevitably spread in the U.S., he said: "I don't think it's inevitable. It probably will. It possibly will. It could be at a very small level, or it could be at a larger level. Whatever happens, we're totally prepared."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/fact-checking-trump-s-comments-coronavirus-n1143856

[/quote]

[Guest]

Quill, that's nothing to do with Trump though is it ?

Yes, it's all on Trump.  One of the first things Trump did when he took office was to go on a campaign to deregulate everything.  The purpose of regulation is not to make life hard for corporations, but to promote public protections.  When Trump removed all the protections in public health, and defunded the Center for Disease Control (CDC), he opened the door for catastrophe.  And voilà, here comes the first pandemic, walking right through.

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Also false

THE FACTS: They’re both wrong to say the agencies have seen their money cut. Bloomberg is repeating the false allegation in a new ad that states the U.S. is unprepared for the virus because of “reckless cuts” to the CDC. Trump’s budgets have proposed cuts to public health, only to be overruled by Congress, where there’s strong bipartisan support for agencies such as the CDC and NIH. Instead, financing has increased.

Indeed, the money that government disease detectives first tapped to fight the latest outbreak was a congressional fund created for health emergencies.

Some public health experts say a bigger concern than White House budgets is the steady erosion of a CDC grant program for state and local public health emergency preparedness — the front lines in detecting and battling new disease. But that decline was set in motion by a congressional budget measure that predates Trump.

The broader point about there being “nobody here” to coordinate the response sells short what’s in place to handle an outbreak.

The public health system has a playbook to follow for pandemic preparation — regardless of who’s president or whether specific instructions are coming from the White House. Those plans were put into place in anticipation of another flu pandemic, but are designed to work for any respiratory-borne disease.


https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104

[JulesV]

Quill, that's nothing to do with Trump though is it ?

Yes, it's all on Trump.  One of the first things Trump did when he took office was to go on a campaign to deregulate everything.  The purpose of regulation is not to make life hard for corporations, but to promote public protections.  When Trump removed all the protections in public health, and defunded the Center for Disease Control (CDC), he opened the door for catastrophe.  And voilà, here comes the first pandemic, walking right through.

Right now, the problem is that there are no longer enough test kits to test for Covid-19.  Thus, we have no ability to detect and trace public trends of the disease.  Without trends, we do not recognize symptoms, means of transmission, and have limited ability to stop the spread.

Other issues, involve the kinds of protective gear the medics should wear, and how to sterilize an area.  One of the 747's that brought sick patients in from Japan landed at Travis AFB, outside Sacramento.  It was met by a bunch of ignorant Trumpster-medical staff, who went in without protection.  Less than a week later, we detect the first community-transmitted Covid-19 case in America.  Where is she?  In a hospital in Sacramento.  

We all know that Trump is dumber than sheit.  Yesterday, amid a press conference of schooled professionals, who were urging the public to be prepared and what to do, in comes Trump, and before the cameras tells the world that there is no problem...it's only 15-cases in America...tomorrow there will be none!  Right now, the CDC is monitoring 110-cases.

Yep, it's all on Trump.

There are defo some CT's flying around.

[JulesV]

If this ain't literally a pandemic I dunno what is.
We are all in the vice grip of corona, it's got its tentacles everywhere.
Like in a scifi film. All that's missing now is the orchestral mood music.

We have stocked up on long life food & bottled water.
It will be too late to go out and get any if everyone is ordered to self-isolate.

We're not panicking but we're leaving nothing to chance. Better to overestimate the hazard than be unprepared.

[Maddog]

If this ain't literally a pandemic I dunno what is.
We are all in the vice grip of corona, it's got its tentacles everywhere.
Like in a scifi film. All that's missing now is the orchestral mood music.

We have stocked up on long life food & bottled water.
It will be too late to go out and get any if everyone is ordered to self-isolate.

We're not panicking but we're leaving nothing to chance. Better to overestimate the hazard than be unprepared.

The flu is a still a much bigger threat.

[Guest]

If this ain't literally a pandemic I dunno what is.
We are all in the vice grip of corona, it's got its tentacles everywhere.
Like in a scifi film. All that's missing now is the orchestral mood music.

We have stocked up on long life food & bottled water.
It will be too late to go out and get any if everyone is ordered to self-isolate.

We're not panicking but we're leaving nothing to chance. Better to overestimate the hazard than be unprepared.

The flu is a still a much bigger threat.  

100% agree

What I find appalling here is how people are using this to score political points

Lives are on the line and all political divides should become secondary

There is a greater need globally. Its when humanity is at its best and worst

To work together. By setting aside differences to combat a greater issue.

Sadly humans are at their best. Simultaneously when at their worst.

[Original Quill]

What I find appalling here is how people are using this to score political points

That started with Trump.  Everytime people even suggested some fault or other with the Trump administration, he would pivot to the economy.  The good economy is actually attributable to Obama (lag time for policy is generally 3- years), but Trump was claiming it.

Alas, because of Covid-19 the stock market has tumbled nearly 5,000 pts in the past week. Trump has over-politicized the economy so much, that it is now his only claim-to-fame.  When Trump has no economy to tout, he answers the Covid-19 threat by denial.  In a press conference the other day, even as professionals from the CDC were warning of disaster, Trump stands up and says we have only 15 cases, and those will be gone in a few days.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/10/10/why-stock-market-went-down-so-much/1593803002/  

He is consumed over what any adverse news means to him, and his re-election chances.  He is tailoring and falsifying every news release to whether and how it affects his chances, and that is hindering any free exchange of ideas and information: look over there, don't look over here!

[Tommy Monk]

I was just looking at some of the stats for cases per country on recovery/death rates so far...


South Korea -
Number of people who have recovered = 24
Number of people who have died = 16


Italy
Number of people who have recovered = 46
Number of people who have died = 21


Onboard the Diamond Princess
Number of people who have recovered = 10
Number of people who have died = 6


Iran
Number of recovered = 73
Number of died = 34


Japan
Recovered = 32
Died = 5


France
Recovered = 11
Died = 2


Taiwan
Recovered = 5
Died = 1


Philippines
Recovered = 2
Died = 1


Hong Kong
Recovered 18
Died 2


China
Recovered 39,020
Died 2835

['Wolfie]

If this ain't literally a pandemic I dunno what is.
We are all in the vice grip of corona, it's got its tentacles everywhere.
Like in a scifi film. All that's missing now is the orchestral mood music.

We have stocked up on long life food & bottled water.
It will be too late to go out and get any if everyone is ordered to self-isolate.

We're not panicking but we're leaving nothing to chance. Better to overestimate the hazard than be unprepared.

The flu is a still a much bigger threat.  

And Malaria kills more people in any given year than the 'flu does...

[Original Quill]

The problem with Covid-19 is not its lethality, but its spread.  We know it's lethality is about 2%, but that's over a spread of 1:3-5.  That is, for everyone who has the disease, s/he will infect about 3-5 other persons.  The spread for flu is like 1:1.5.

With that kind of spread, a 2% lethality rate for Covid-19 can be more dangerous that a 10% lethality rate for SARS.

[gelico]

There are currently 85,189 confirmed cases worldwide, including 2,924 fatalities.

[JulesV]

If this ain't literally a pandemic I dunno what is.
We are all in the vice grip of corona, it's got its tentacles everywhere.
Like in a scifi film. All that's missing now is the orchestral mood music.
We have stocked up on long life food & bottled water.
It will be too late to go out and get any if everyone is ordered to self-isolate.
We're not panicking but we're leaving nothing to chance. Better to overestimate the hazard than be unprepared.

The flu is a still a much bigger threat.  

100% agree
What I find appalling here is how people are using this to score political points
Lives are on the line and all political divides should become secondary
There is a greater need globally. Its when humanity is at its best and worst
To work together. By setting aside differences to combat a greater issue.
Sadly humans are at their best. Simultaneously when at their worst.

I hope you are not including me in that statement, Thorin.
It's me Maddog was replying to and I have made no mention of any politics, let alone ''tried to score political points''.

Why don't you take your grievances DIRECTLY to whoever is discussing politics,
rather than inappropriately posting a rant at the wrong post??

[JulesV]

If this ain't literally a pandemic I dunno what is.
We are all in the vice grip of corona, it's got its tentacles everywhere.
Like in a scifi film. All that's missing now is the orchestral mood music.

We have stocked up on long life food & bottled water.
It will be too late to go out and get any if everyone is ordered to self-isolate.

We're not panicking but we're leaving nothing to chance. Better to overestimate the hazard than be unprepared.

The flu is a still a much bigger threat.  

Not everyone is fully convinced of that, it's still early days.

Thing is, when you catch flu you get sick very quickly. Very short incubation period.  
With corona it can take a while before the symptoms appear - up to two weeks! Hence the infected person can unknowingly spread it around before realising he/she habours the virus. That makes it 'dangerous'. >>


Consider this conundrum. Which vehicle is more dangerous in a crowd?
A huge articulated lorry which has a very loud horn which it always blows ...... versus a small van which has no horn.
Pedestrians can hear the big lorry blowing its horn and they will jump out of its way.
The van won't cause as much injury if it hits people - but it has no way of alerting people to its presence.

[JulesV]

The flu is a still a much bigger threat.

And Malaria kills more people in any given year than the 'flu does...

But this topic is not about malaria!

[Tommy Monk]

Incubation period can be up to 27 days actually...


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-incubation-period/

[Guest]

If this ain't literally a pandemic I dunno what is.
We are all in the vice grip of corona, it's got its tentacles everywhere.
Like in a scifi film. All that's missing now is the orchestral mood music.
We have stocked up on long life food & bottled water.
It will be too late to go out and get any if everyone is ordered to self-isolate.
We're not panicking but we're leaving nothing to chance. Better to overestimate the hazard than be unprepared.

The flu is a still a much bigger threat.  

100% agree
What I find appalling here is how people are using this to score political points
Lives are on the line and all political divides should become secondary
There is a greater need globally. Its when humanity is at its best and worst
To work together. By setting aside differences to combat a greater issue.
Sadly humans are at their best. Simultaneously when at their worst.

I hope you are not including me in that statement, Thorin.
It's me Maddog was replying to and I have made no mention of any politics, let alone ''tried to score political points''.

Why don't you take your grievances DIRECTLY to whoever is discussing politics,
rather than inappropriately posting a rant at the wrong post??

Do you suffer with paranoia?

Most of my recently replies were in regards to Quills false statements about Trump

I cannot stand trump, but yet Quill invoked countless bullshit here to score political points

If you had of read my replies that was obvious and had bugger all to do with you

[Guest]

The flu is a still a much bigger threat.  

Not everyone is fully convinced of that, it's still early days.

Thing is, when you catch flu you get sick very quickly. Very short incubation period.  
With corona it can take a while before the symptoms appear - up to two weeks! Hence the infected person can unknowingly spread it around before realising he/she habours the virus. That makes it 'dangerous'. >>


Consider this conundrum. Which vehicle is more dangerous in a crowd?
A huge articulated lorry which has a very loud horn which it always blows ...... versus a small van which has no horn.
Pedestrians can hear the big lorry blowing its horn and they will jump out of its way.
The van won't cause as much injury if it hits people - but it has no way of alerting people to its presence.

The huge articulated lorry is always going to be more dangerous

As the danger is based on the potential harm caused.

Not preventative measures

You are offering a misguided view, that people will always get out of the way , when in panic mode. A smaller lorry is always going to hit lesser people than a bigger one. Those hit, never had a chance to react. As the speed of such an incident. Is beyond the ability of most humans to react to,

Hence you are talking gibberish Jules.

[JulesV]

Do you suffer with paranoia?

Most of my recently replies were in regards to Quills false statements about Trump

I cannot stand trump, but yet Quill invoked countless bullshit here to score political points

If you had of read my replies that was obvious and had bugger all to do with you

Firstly you attached your post to someone who was replying to me (and you agreed with them.)

Secondly, your exact words were "What I find appalling here is ……."
"Here" ???  …. as 'in this case'  


The fact that you had already criticised other posters, does not mean you weren't including me also.

Anyway it's good that you have now cleared the matter up, albeit rudely.

[JulesV]

Not everyone is fully convinced of that, it's still early days.

Thing is, when you catch flu you get sick very quickly. Very short incubation period.  
With corona it can take a while before the symptoms appear - up to two weeks! Hence the infected person can unknowingly spread it around before realising he/she habours the virus. That makes it 'dangerous'. >>


Consider this conundrum. Which vehicle is more dangerous in a crowd?
A huge articulated lorry which has a very loud horn which it always blows ...... versus a small van which has no horn.
Pedestrians can hear the big lorry blowing its horn and they will jump out of its way.
The van won't cause as much injury if it hits people - but it has no way of alerting people to its presence.

The huge articulated lorry is always going to be more dangerous

As the danger is based on the potential harm caused.

Not preventative measures

You are offering a misguided view, that people will always get out of the way , when in panic mode. A smaller lorry is always going to hit lesser people than a bigger one. Those hit, never had a chance to react. As the speed of such an incident. Is beyond the ability of most humans to react to,



Hence you are talking gibberish Jules.

LOOK IN THE MIRROR, KID

[Guest]

Firstly you attached your post to someone who was replying to me.

Secondly, your exact words were "What I find appalling here is ……."
"Here" ???  …. as 'in this case'  


The fact that you had already criticised other posters, does not mean you weren't including me also.

Anyway it's good that you have now cleared the matter up, albeit rudely.

1. Deflection to my points

2.I am being critical of your views and at no point deny this. I however never accused you of political scoring points. The question you asked of me in your reply.

Hence paranoia

I never once claimed you were politically scoring points. You simple imagined this yourself

[Guest]

The huge articulated lorry is always going to be more dangerous

As the danger is based on the potential harm caused.

Not preventative measures

You are offering a misguided view, that people will always get out of the way , when in panic mode. A smaller lorry is always going to hit lesser people than a bigger one. Those hit, never had a chance to react. As the speed of such an incident. Is beyond the ability of most humans to react to,



Hence you are talking gibberish Jules.

LOOK IN THE MIRROR, KID

You laugh?

I will take that as a sign of you admitting to be a complete 42 carrot -plonker here,,,

[Original Quill]

The huge articulated lorry is always going to be more dangerous

As the danger is based on the potential harm caused.

Not preventative measures

You are offering a misguided view, that people will always get out of the way , when in panic mode. A smaller lorry is always going to hit lesser people than a bigger one. Those hit, never had a chance to react. As the speed of such an incident. Is beyond the ability of most humans to react to,

Hence you are talking gibberish Jules.

LOOK IN THE MIRROR, KID

Don't waste your time, Jules.  All you'll get from him are word salads and some insults to finish things off.

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LOOK IN THE MIRROR, KID

Don't waste your time, Jules.  All you'll get from him are word salads and some insults to finish things off.

Well considering you were the individual caught out lying here politicising conovirus to Trump. You are just one the most dishonest wanker I have ever ever had the displeasure to come across

Even after exposing your lies on this very thread. You still attempt to claim honesty here?

Hilarious

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