Scotland should ‘never leave EU’ - calls for new independence vote grow

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Leading Scottish politicians are calling for another referendum on independence from the UK after Britain voted to exit the EU. The Scottish public backed staying in the bloc and former SNP leader Alex Salmond says Scotland should “never leave the EU.”


Salmond made the comments during an interview with Sky News: “The sensible thing for Scotland to do would never be to leave the European Union,” he said.

His comments were backed by the current leader of the SNP, Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon, who is also backing a second independence vote, after 62 percent of the population voted to remain in Europe. This was against the tide of the rest of the UK where 52 percent voted to leave the bloc.

"Scotland has delivered a strong, unequivocal vote to remain in the EU, and I welcome that endorsement of our European status," Sturgeon said on Friday before the final result was known, as cited by Reuters.

"Scotland has contributed significantly to the Remain vote across the UK. That reflects the positive campaign the SNP fought, which highlighted the gains and benefits of our EU membership, and people across Scotland have responded to that positive message,” she added. 
Sturgeon has remained consistent about her threat to call a second referendum. Speaking in April, she said: “The Scottish parliament should have the right to hold another referendum if there is clear and sustained evidence that independence has become the preferred option of a majority of the Scottish people.” 


In May, Salmond said Scotland would not be pulled out of the EU “against its will.”  



https://www.rt.com/uk/348160-scotland-brexit-uk-independence/








Think the song should be 'all by ourselves'

Didge wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

That is called 'beating a dead horse'.   We know all of that...stop repeating yourself, mortimer .

The UK has an antinomy.  It's a paradox from which has to extricate itself.  They only way it can do that is to fook over Scotland and send troops, or respect it's right to autonomy.

Son, y'all got a problem.

Again its not fault you are clueless and only the UK Governement can enable another Scottish referendum
The scottish voted to remain in the UK, so its about time the left respected the will of the people instead of trying enforce your abhorant dictatorships onto people

It's not a leftsih issue.

Leave the Scottish law in place and see what happens.

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:


Again its not fault you are clueless and only the UK Governement can enable another Scottish referendum
The scottish voted to remain in the UK, so its about time the left respected the will of the people instead of trying enforce your abhorant dictatorships onto people

It's not a leftsih issue.  

Leave the Scottish law in place and see what happens.  

Scottish law does not superscede UK law, its time you learn to understand that based on the Union treaty

So it has everything to do with leftish distatorships

Didge wrote:

4EVER2 wrote:


    
OMG ...and that has to be the best scrape the bottom of a barrel for desperation in an attempt to fortify your weak sided POV!   
Syl, and two mental midgets that are always needing remedial assistance and clarification for all their thinking, holy shit that was royal! 
But...hey, I've got 2 rocks in my pocket that have more value then those two combined

Wow another post attacking posters and not the points itself and again the left can do this with impunity.

Are you talking about Syl's post?  She was just expressing herself in a colorful way.  She knows very well that truth is not subject to a democratic referendum.

4Eva's post is just fair comment of the same variety.

Didge wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

It's not a leftsih issue.  

Leave the Scottish law in place and see what happens.  

Scottish law does not superscede UK law, its time you learn to understand that based on the Union treaty

So it has everything to do with leftish distatorships

So, you're for fooking over the Scots. What else is new???

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:


Scottish law does not superscede UK law, its time you learn to understand that based on the Union treaty

So it has everything to do with leftish distatorships

So, you're for fooking over the Scots.  What else is new???

Illogical, they voted to remain part of the Union
Its you trying to fuck them over

Didge wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

So, you're for fooking over the Scots.  What else is new???

Illogical, they voted to remain part of the Union
Its you trying to fuck them over

That's a different matter.  Although, if that's the position of England, I think that Scotland will get the message: England still fooks over Scotland and doesn't respect their right to self-determination.  Headlines will look great in The Scotsman.

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:


Illogical, they voted to remain part of the Union
Its you trying to fuck them over

That's a different matter.  Although, if that's the position of England, I think that Scotland will get the message: England still fooks over Scotland and doesn't respect their democracy.  Headlines will look great in The Scotsman.

I see you are still struggling to understand
This was not a vote for Scottish membership of the EU
It was a vote for UK membership
The Uk decided to leave the EU
2 years previous they voted for Scottish independence and they voted to remain part of the Union, knowing there would be a Uk vote on the EU. Even if Scotland was given another Referendum for indendence, they would have to apply to join the EU, as their membership is based on a UK agreement. Independence even before the EU vote would have seen them lose their memebership of the EU and they would have had to aplly for membership which can take years to be approved

didge wrote:I see you are still struggling to understand
This was not a vote for Scottish membership of the EU
It was a vote for UK membership
The Uk decided to leave the EU
2 years previous they voted for Scottish independence and they voted to remain part of the Union, knowing there would be a Uk vote on the EU. Even if Scotland was given another Referendum for indendence, they would have to apply to join the EU, as their membership is based on a UK agreement. Independence even before the EU vote would have seen them lose their memebership of the EU and they would have had to aplly for membership which can take years to be approved.

We've been over that. Try some original thinking.

Original Quill wrote:

didge wrote:I see you are still struggling to understand
This was not a vote for Scottish membership of the EU
It was a vote for UK membership
The Uk decided to leave the EU
2 years previous they voted for Scottish independence and they voted to remain part of the Union, knowing there would be a Uk vote on the EU. Even if Scotland was given another Referendum for indendence, they would have to apply to join the EU, as their membership is based on a UK agreement. Independence even before the EU vote would have seen them lose their memebership of the EU and they would have had to aplly for membership which can take years to be approved.

We've been over that.  Try some original thinking.

Well if you could actuallt post something intelligent that would be a first
You simply also do not understand how Scotland is struggling since Oil prices has gone down and they would again without UK memebership, would leave Scotland without any trade aggrements if they voted for indendence, placing them in the exact position they will be in now with the UK leaving the EU.
This is why you have not got the first clue what youa re talking about

We've been all over this.  The only way that the UK can override Scotland is to reverse the powers of devolution invested in Scotland and NI.  That is completely counterproductive to the UK's aim.  Read closely:

Vox.com wrote:Scotland is already planning to hold another independence referendum, and seeing devolution curtailed would make its success much more likely. Northern Irish republicans would be emboldened to call for unification with the Republic of Ireland, which could occur, or they could just reignite the Troubles after decades of peace.

If the overriding objective of Conservatives, however, is to "preserve the integrity of the United Kingdom as a state," Murkens said, "[with] the objective of keeping NI and Scotland in the United Kingdom [Brexit] would turn them into veto players … Scotland and NI have voted to remain and the cost of not listening to them would be to split the UK."

http://www.vox.com/2016/6/25/12031254/no-brexit-article-50

Do I see those sleepy British eyes beginning to blink awake?  You can't play on both sides of the match.  You created an antinomy, politically, if not legally, from which you may lose not only Scotland, but the entire bushel.

Original Quill wrote:We've been all over this.  The only way that the UK can override Scotland is to reverse the powers of devolution invested in Scotland and NI.  That is completely counterproductive to the UK's aim.  Read closely:

Vox.com wrote:Scotland is already planning to hold another independence referendum, and seeing devolution curtailed would make its success much more likely. Northern Irish republicans would be emboldened to call for unification with the Republic of Ireland, which could occur, or they could just reignite the Troubles after decades of peace.

If the overriding objective of Conservatives, however, is to "preserve the integrity of the United Kingdom as a state," Murkens said, "[with] the objective of keeping NI and Scotland in the United Kingdom [Brexit] would turn them into veto players … Scotland and NI have voted to remain and the cost of not listening to them would be to split the UK."

Do I see those sleepy British eyes beginning to blink awake?  You can't play on both sides of the match.  You created an antinomy, politically, if not legally, from which you may lose not only Scotland, but the entire bushel.

Again gibberish and you still fail to understand Scotland is only part of the EU, dependent on being  a part of the Union.
If the Scottish even tried to veto this, they would see wide spread discord in the Uk, based on them as a minority trying to superscede the will of the UK people. So if they want to enact an act of war, that would be very stupid
The UK has the Scottish by the balls, what ever Scotland decides, they will end up spelling their own popularity in Scotland

You are talking nonsense Quill... it's all a load of bagpipes.. hot air and noise!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:You are talking nonsense Quill... it's all a load of bagpipes..  hot air and noise!!!

If that's what makes you feel better, then go back to sleep tommy.

As Professor Sheldon Wolin was so fond of saying, 'thought before action.' For those of us who see wisdom in those words, we see real trouble brewing for Britain.

And the only way you are going to corral it is with the sword. And that won't go well over here, in Australia, Canada, Kiwiland...the whole damn past comes back attcha. As that 'ol southern sheriff said, Boy, yo inna heap 'o trouble.

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:You are talking nonsense Quill... it's all a load of bagpipes..  hot air and noise!!!

If that's what makes you feel better, then go back to sleep tommy.

As Professor Sheldon Wolin was so fond of saying, 'thought before action.'  For those of us who see wisdom in those words, we see real trouble brewing for Britain.

And the only way you are going to corral it is with the sword.  And that won't go well over here, in Australia, Canada, Kiwiland...the whole damn past comes back attcha.  As that 'ol southern sheriff said, Boy, yo inna heap 'o trouble.

We will not need to do anything, the Sottish people themselves willcall for a vote of no confidence or civil discord, of which you never have  thought of and the UK governemnt can ignore their vote.
Again it was established before the referendum, the Scots would not be able to do this and if they want to piss off the UK, we could break the Union with them and leave them immediately out of he EU, whist the UK still remained in.
That would make them really look stupid to their people

didge wrote:So if they want to enact an act of war, that would be very stupid
The UK has the Scottish by the balls, what ever Scotland decides, they will end up spelling their own popularity in Scotland

Do you see tommy, how quickly the words of war set in? Shades of Edward I and Henry VIII. You guys sure do paint yourselves into some corners.

didge wrote:Again it was established before the referendum, the Scots would not be able to do this and if they want to piss off the UK, we could break the Union with them and leave them immediately out of he EU, whist the UK still remained in.

English thinking. That's how y'all got into this. Even your Tory PM resigns...that should give you guys a clue.

Good luck.

Original Quill wrote:

didge wrote:So if they want to enact an act of war, that would be very stupid
The UK has the Scottish by the balls, what ever Scotland decides, they will end up spelling their own popularity in Scotland

Do you see tommy, how quickly the words of war set in?  Shades of Edward I and Henry VIII.  You guys sure do paint yourselves into some corners.

It would no doubt cause civil war, this is what you seem to fail to grasp.
Like I say, its always the Scottish throughout history that have caused disharmy in the Uk, from when the first left ireland and invaded the North. Plus the fact you have broken near evert treay with the native Indians and can only offer up some autonomy, which is not even as good as what Scotland has, I suggest you stop being the vile racist nation the US is and sort your own house in order before you moan about us.
If scotland votes to block, then the Uk should then vote to disolve the Union, leaving Scotland flapping like a fish out of the water, leaving them with no trade partners

didge wrote:It would no doubt cause civil war, this is what you seem to fail to grasp.
Like I say, its always the Scottish throughout history that have caused disharmy in the Uk, from when the first left ireland and invaded the North. Plus the fact you have broken near evert treay with the native Indians and can only offer up some autonomy, which is not even as good as what Scotland has, I suggest you stop being the vile racist nation the US is and sort your own house in order before you moan about us.
If scotland votes to block, then the Uk should then vote to disolve the Union, leaving Scotland flapping like a fish out of the water, leaving them with no trade partners

Desperate words. You can see the cracks of division already starting. Y'all didn't have as strong a 'Union' as you thought, eh?

Original Quill wrote:

didge wrote:It would no doubt cause civil war, this is what you seem to fail to grasp.
Like I say, its always the Scottish throughout history that have caused disharmy in the Uk, from when the first left ireland and invaded the North. Plus the fact you have broken near evert treay with the native Indians and can only offer up some autonomy, which is not even as good as what Scotland has, I suggest you stop being the vile racist nation the US is and sort your own house in order before you moan about us.
If scotland votes to block, then the Uk should then vote to disolve the Union, leaving Scotland flapping like a fish out of the water, leaving them with no trade partners

Desperate words.  You can see the cracks of division already starting.  Y'all didn't have as strong a 'Union' as you thought, eh?

Only in your feeble mind
Again, does the SNP has the balls to go against the vast majority of the UK?
If so, people will be calling or them to be disolved from the Union and rightly so
You reap what you sow

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:You are talking nonsense Quill... it's all a load of bagpipes..  hot air and noise!!!

If that's what makes you feel better, then go back to sleep tommy.

As Professor Sheldon Wolin was so fond of saying, 'thought before action.'  For those of us who see wisdom in those words, we see real trouble brewing for Britain.

And the only way you are going to corral it is with the sword.  And that won't go well over here, in Australia, Canada, Kiwiland...the whole damn past comes back attcha.  As that 'ol southern sheriff said, Boy, yo inna heap 'o trouble.

It's quite simple... we have had a uk population vote on whether to stay in the eu or leave... the UK has voted leave... so we leave...!


Is that simple enough for you?


If the Scottish people are really that bothered by it then they can muster up enough support for another scotland/uk referendum and leave... then join back up with the eu as a new member.

didge wrote:Again, does the SNP has the balls to go against the vast majority of the UK?
If so, people will be calling or them to be disolved from the Union and rightly so
You reap what you sow

Love it when the witness gets unhinged on the stand...and confesses.

Original Quill wrote:

didge wrote:Again, does the SNP has the balls to go against the vast majority of the UK?
If so, people will be calling or them to be disolved from the Union and rightly so
You reap what you sow

Love it when the witness gets unhinged on the stand...and confesses.

Is being factual abot such a reality confessing?
No
You simply have no conception of the consequences of the Scots trying to undermine democracy and the will of the UK people

Didge wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Love it when the witness gets unhinged on the stand...and confesses.

Is being factual abot such a reality confessing?
No
You simply have no conception of the consequences of the Scots trying to undermine democracy and the will of the UK people

They have already taken those step, so, been there, done that. That's what devolution and the past referendum were all about. Elements in Northern Ireland have a long history of anger, what with the troubles and all.

What Brexit does is deepen the cracks, and widen the gaps. What else will the UK renege on? It's getting to be a bad habit. It's an interesting exercise in political science. Stay tuned...

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:

Is being factual abot such a reality confessing?
No
You simply have no conception of the consequences of the Scots trying to undermine democracy and the will of the UK people

They have already taken those step, so, been there, done that.  That's what devolution and the past referendum were all about.  Elements in Northern Ireland have a long history of anger, what with the troubles and all.

What Brexit does is deepen the cracks, and widen the gaps.  What else will the UK renege on?  It's getting to be a bad habit.  It's an interesting exercise in political science.  Stay tuned...

Gibberish again , as the Scots voted to remain part of the UK
How many more times are you going to regurgitae the same nonsese.
You seen to blatantly ignore that it would be the SNP taking revenge on the UK, for the fact the scots voted to remain, by looking to block the vote to leave and they are a minority of the Uk poopulation. This you have no problem with such underhandedness, but if the Uk was act in turn, then you are spilling your dummies out
Look its evident you do not have the first clue what you are talking about and are simpoly tryingto derail this thread because of the lefty virus you suffer from that makes you incapable of understand facts

didge wrote:Gibberish again , as the Scots voted to remain part of the UK
How many more times are you going to regurgitae the same nonsese.
Look its evident you do not have the first clue what you are talking about and are simpoly tryingto derail this thread because of the lefty virus you suffer from that makes you incapable of understand facts

To respond would be gratuitous.

Original Quill wrote:

didge wrote:Gibberish again , as the Scots voted to remain part of the UK
How many more times are you going to regurgitae the same nonsese.
Look its evident you do not have the first clue what you are talking about and are simpoly tryingto derail this thread because of the lefty virus you suffer from that makes you incapable of understand facts

To respond would be gratuitous.

Again the problem you show the worst double standards over is that you are ok for the SNP to go against the will of the Uk people and then moan if its replicated againts them
Double standards again by th left

Didge wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

To respond would be gratuitous.

Again the problem you show the worst double standards over is that you are ok for the SNP to go against the will of the Uk people and then moan if its replicated againts them
Double standards again by th left

Wanna think that one through and try again?

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:


Again the problem you show the worst double standards over is that you are ok for the SNP to go against the will of the Uk people and then moan if its replicated againts them
Double standards again by th left

Wanna think that one through and try again?

Nope

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:


Illogical, they voted to remain part of the Union
Its you trying to fuck them over

That's a different matter.  Although, if that's the position of England, I think that Scotland will get the message: England still fooks over Scotland and doesn't respect their right to self-determination.  Headlines will look great in The Scotsman.

England did respect their right to self-determination - if they wanted it. They didn't want it, and now you're trying to rewrite history.

4EVER2 wrote:

Syl wrote:Three people are saying the same thing here...Quill knows better though.

    
OMG ...and that has to be the best scrape the bottom of a barrel for desperation in an attempt to fortify your weak sided POV!   
Syl, and two mental midgets that are always needing remedial assistance and clarification for all their thinking, holy shit that was royal! 
But...hey, I've got 2 rocks in my pocket that have more value then those two combined

Do you think you could manage to stop being a complete moron for five minutes?

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Bullshit!!!

Hurts, don't it tommy.

@Syl: Who is Sturgeon?

You're pretending to know all about Scotland and you don't even know who Nicola Sturgeon is?

Ohhhh, noooo ...just returning the lovely   that I find amusing; you've dribble your own form of vile wit around directly at me as often as you see fit --- SO SUCK IT UP WHINER and just enjoy the return volley! 

4EVER2 wrote:Ohhhh, noooo ...just returning the lovely   that I find amusing; you've dribble your own form of vile wit around directly at me as often as you see fit --- SO SUCK IT UP WHINER and just enjoy the return volley! 

You have absolutely no value on this forum IMO, so suck that up - loser.

It's very true that Scotland voted NO but remember the electorate were told that if they voted YES they would be out of the EU with no real prospect of getting back in. So where are we now? - heading out so that changess everything.

And Quill is only telling you all the legal position. Whether the UK government decides to ignore it and trigger article 50 remains to be seen. Somehow I suspect in may end up in the courts which could take years.

Raggamuffin wrote:

4EVER2 wrote:Ohhhh, noooo ...just returning the lovely   that I find amusing; you've dribble your own form of vile wit around directly at me as often as you see fit --- SO SUCK IT UP WHINER and just enjoy the return volley! 

You have absolutely no value on this forum IMO, so suck that up - loser.

Right ...this quality check coming from the #1 low IQ that has the like minded thought process of Tommykins and everything has to be explained twice - triplicate - four times and then you still can't grasp the concept; and here you are yet again --- trying to argue legal precedence and you DO NOT KNOW SQUAT! 

But you are soooo amusing in your flailing around trying to look so important, but failing so hugely!

Irn Bru wrote:It's very true that Scotland voted NO but remember the electorate were told that if they voted YES they would be out of the EU with no real prospect of getting back in. So where are we now? - heading out so that changess everything.

And Quill is only telling you all the legal position. Whether the UK government decides to ignore it and trigger article 50 remains to be seen. Somehow I suspect in may end up in the courts which could take years.

I didn't quite follow that first bit Bru. I don't think that Quill is right about the legal position.

4EVER2 wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You have absolutely no value on this forum IMO, so suck that up - loser.

Right ...this quality check coming from the #1 low IQ that has the like minded thought process of Tommykins and everything has to be explained twice - triplicate - four times and then you still can't grasp the concept; and here you are yet again --- trying to argue legal precedence and you DO NOT KNOW SQUAT! 

But you are soooo amusing in your flailing around trying to look so important, but failing so hugely!

Oh shush - the adults are talking.

However, if there was another Scottish referendum and they chose to leave the UK this time, I would be happy to see the back of them.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:It's very true that Scotland voted NO but remember the electorate were told that if they voted YES they would be out of the EU with no real prospect of getting back in. So where are we now? - heading out so that changess everything.

And Quill is only telling you all the legal position. Whether the UK government decides to ignore it and trigger article 50 remains to be seen. Somehow I suspect in may end up in the courts which could take years.

I didn't quite follow that first bit Bru. I don't think that Quill is right about the legal position.

The first bit was yes to independence and your out of the UK and and the EU and No that you are still in the UK and still in the EU.

Well Quill has quoted the lagal position and I've still to see anyone quote the specific legal postion that proves he's wrong.

4EVER2 wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You have absolutely no value on this forum IMO, so suck that up - loser.

Right ...this quality check coming from the #1 low IQ that has the like minded thought process of Tommykins and everything has to be explained twice - triplicate - four times and then you still can't grasp the concept; and here you are yet again --- trying to argue legal precedence and you DO NOT KNOW SQUAT! 

But you are soooo amusing in your flailing around trying to look so important, but failing so hugely!

You can say shit as many times as you like... the failure is not ours in grasping any concept... we just disagree with your opinion!!!

Irn Bru wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I didn't quite follow that first bit Bru. I don't think that Quill is right about the legal position.

The first bit was yes to independence and your out of the UK and and the EU and No that you are still in the UK and still in the EU.

Well Quill has quoted the lagal position and I've still to see anyone quote the specific legal postion that proves he's wrong.

Well if the law was already there that they could vote out of uk and still be in the eu... and this is what they all really wanted... then why did over 2 million vote to stay in the UK...?


Truth is that the Scots didn't want to leave the UK and then join the eu as a new member... as would be what would have had to have happened if they wanted to leave the UK and still be in the eu...


And I don't think they now want to leave the UK and then join the eu... as they would have to do still the same if they want to leave the UK and be a member of eu...


They may want to remain in the UK and have the UK remain in the eu... but the UK have voted and the result is clear!!!


The UK as a whole wants out of eu... they can have either... but they can't have both... and they can't force the UK to stay in the eu just because some of them want it that way!!!

are you thick tommy
it's different game now
back then they would have been the one's not playing ball
Now it is Enlgand not palying and the Scots wanting to play

the EU looks like it is going to give them a great deal if they leave the UK and Join the EU

Tommy Monk wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I didn't quite follow that first bit Bru. I don't think that Quill is right about the legal position.

The first bit was yes to independence and your out of the UK and and the EU and No that you are still in the UK and still in the EU.

Well Quill has quoted the lagal position and I've still to see anyone quote the specific legal postion that proves he's wrong.

Well if the law was already there that they could vote out of uk and still be in the eu... and this is what they all really wanted... then why did over 2 million vote to stay in the UK...?


Truth is that the Scots didn't want to leave the UK and then join the eu as a new member... as would be what would have had to have happened if they wanted to leave the UK and still be in the eu...


And I don't think they now want to leave the UK and then join the eu... as they would have to do still the same if they want to leave the UK and be a member of eu...


They may want to remain in the UK and have the UK remain in the eu... but the UK have voted and the result is clear!!!


The UK as a whole wants out of eu... they can have either... but they can't have both... and they can't force the UK to stay in the eu just because some of them want it that way!!!

But the law was enacted that the Scottsh electorate could vote out of the UK in the form of a referendum and the message was that if you vote out of the UK then you are out of the EU as well.  So we voted to stay with the UK in the belief that we would still be in the EU but that's not what happened. We're heading out. That's the point.

Anyway, it's late Tommy. CYA tomorrow.

Same situation exists... if they want out of uk and in eu then they must leave uk and join eu as new member.


We were in the eu back when the uk/Scot referendum happened... and if they wanted out uk and then in eu then they would have left uk and joined eu as was being offered...


We are in the eu now still... so the position still stands... if they want out the UK and in the eu... they must leave the UK and join the eu...


When we leave the eu... and if they want out the UK and in the eu... they must leave the UK and then join the eu...


It's the same route in all of their available choices...!!!


It seems clear to me that they don't want to leave the UK and join the eu otherwise they could have already voted to leave the UK and join the eu!!!

that is the most stupid illogical thining i have ever read, they didn't want to leave and have to rejoin when they had low barginign power due to the EU wanting the UK to remain together, now they will get bonuses to leave the Uk and join the EU that will be constructed to look as though England is foolishly going alone and Scots are staying on.
the will be protected and the EU will amke sure they stay stable as England collapses to make sure any other EU nation that considers leaving, see the negative outcome.

Ah... they want in the UK and in the eu do they...?


Well... being in the UK means abiding by uk national decisions... this one being that the UK leaves the eu!!!


17.5 million people voted to leave the eu...


Only 1.6 million Scots voted to stay in the eu...


The UK is leaving the eu!

so scotland is leaveing the UK, cause if they have to choose they are choosing the EU. I dont see what point you think you are making. beofre they could choose "in both or out of both" now the choice in "In the Uk or In the EU" but cant be both.


No one in their right mind would choose the Uk over the EU any reason to stay in the Uk is just 20 odd times greater to be in the EU.

Yeah... well... if we are so bad then why are they wanting to stay in uk at all...?


And why are the eu so unhappy at us leaving...?


Surely they should both be happy to see the back of us...!?



Plus when have Scotland ever had the choice of being out both before...!?


The last choice was in or out the UK... out uk meaning joining straight up to eu...


This choice was only about being in eu... and the UK voted out...



Sturgon is only talking about a possible vote to leave uk and join straight up with eu again...



There is no talk of out uk and out eu... although that might be what the Scots really want...


They can decide this... I'm quite happy for them to do so... but they cannot pretend that their 1.6 million votes to remain in eu can overrule the UK decision of 17.5 million people to leave...


Their choice now is to stay with the UK or leave uk and then decide whether to join eu or not...

Tommy, let's talk really straight.  The English have always tried to kick the Scots around.  Didge's attitude just showed it again...this goes back to Edward I.

Here's the fundamental question: do the Tories want to hold the Union together, or not?  Because if they do, I would advise against them opening up 800-year old wounds.

In a sense, you could forgive the English during the time of Edward I and Henry VIII, because back then they didn't know anything about mass psychology and holding grudges.  They all thought like didge: I'm gonna kick your ass!  

Now, with what we know about attitude and opinion, and holding together a political consensus in a pluralist age, the question is simple...do you want Union or not?  Because, without the EU y'all ain't gonna have Scotland or N.I.

Y'all just handed the silver platter to the anti-Unionists.

tommy one word answers most of your questions

MONEY