4 out of 5 refugees not syrian????

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Four out of five migrants are NOT from Syria: EU figures expose the 'lie' that the majority of refugees are fleeing war zone
Some 44,000 of the 213,000 refugees who arrived in Europe were from Syria
A further 27,000 new arrivals on the continent came from Afghanistan
Britain received one in 30 of all the asylum claims made by new applicants
David Cameron has offered to take in 20,000 refugees but none from the EU


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it seems we have some taking advantage of what is going on....

nicko wrote:I think quill is black!

Nicko thinks that is an insult, that's how racist he is.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Shady wrote:

Zack do you really expect the idiot to understand the  rational explanation that you have given?

I like to give everyone the benefit of the doubt Shady.

But we're talking about Didge. So I expect him to tell me how intelligent he is, how stupid I am and then dismissing everything I just said.

Inadvertently proving my point. ;-)  

Absolutely.

Positive Discrimination:

Should sons and daughters of white slave owners be liable for the sins of their parents?

Original Quill wrote:

nicko wrote:I think quill is black!

Nicko thinks that is an insult, that's how racist he is.  

Lol!

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Positive Discrimination:

Should sons and daughters of white slave owners be liable for the sins of their parents?

Well if we are to believe the ramblings of Didge & Quill then the answer to your question will be Yes.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


No his reasoning is sound, because racism is not based on any scientific evidence. Its a made up concept, that creates a prejudice view towards groups of people. That does not make for a valid opinion, and rightly should be rubbished when it effects the well being and equality of others.
So racist opinions do not count because they are bullshit, where they conflict with the golden rule.
Its not sweeping anything under the carpet its showing they have no validty. Biologically humans are one race, so to claim racism is valid as an opinion, is utterly stupid on your part.
Maybe you can attempt to show how and why something that racism, which is just a belief, has any validity?

You can only show it's invalid if one has the courage to discuss it without getting emotional and shutting the other person into silence. That's not rational.

And FYI - there is scientific evidence why some people are racist and irrational.  Look it up.

The point is zack, that you reach a point where what some posters say is so out-of-line that they are discounted at the on-set. The UK even has laws that say it is a crime to make certain statements, and I have resisted and criticized that. But with some posters it gets a little tedious.

In any case, I don't listen to abject racists. I barely have patience for Raggs or eds.

And you, zack, haven't contributed anything to the discussion. You're too wrapped up in your animosity toward didge.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

I have never claimed to be original in this.  As Dr. Martin Luther King said in his 1963 speech "I Have a Dream":



This discussion is decades old, yet I bet you have never listened.  A thief still wants the jewels.  A deadbeat still wants to pocket the money, yet be free of the debt.

We don't need to be original.  And the debt isn't about Quill.  It's about you.

Because I'm white? You want to steal from me under some kind of fraudulent claim that I'm responsible for some wrongdoing - purely because of the colour of my skin. That makes you the thief, and a racist one.

You are the first to complain when a black person is accused of wrongdoing, and yet you sit here falsely accusing white people.

But you are the cause. Not only that, you're not even a good citizen. You're just a cheat on your obligations.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Positive Discrimination:

Should sons and daughters of white slave owners be liable for the sins of their parents?

Should they inherit the estates of their parents? If we could do away with the evil of inheritance we might see some progress on the racial issue.

The entrenchment of wealth is part of the institutionalization of prejudice.

Original Quill wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

You can only show it's invalid if one has the courage to discuss it without getting emotional and shutting the other person into silence. That's not rational.

And FYI - there is scientific evidence why some people are racist and irrational.  Look it up.

The point is zack, that you reach a point where what some posters say is so out-of-line that they are discounted at the on-set.  The UK even has laws that say it is a crime to make certain statements, and I have resisted and criticized that.  But with some posters it gets a little tedious.

In any case, I don't listen to abject racists.  I barely have patience for Raggs or eds.

And you, zack, haven't contributed anything to the discussion.  You're too wrapped up in your animosity toward didge.

I often feel that way about you Quill. Some of the stuff you come out with is so bizarre that nearly all your posts can be discounted.

However, perhaps you could explain why me thinking that white people and black people should be equal is racist? It's you who thinks that white people should be unequal. Here's a radical idea for you Quill - how about you treat white people as human beings?

Original Quill wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Positive Discrimination:

Should sons and daughters of white slave owners be liable for the sins of their parents?

Should they inherit the estates of their parents?  If we could do away with the evil of inheritance we might see some progress on the racial issue.

The entrenchment of wealth is part of the institutionalization of prejudice.

So now you want to stop people handing down money that they worked for as well? Who should get it instead Quill? Black people?

Original Quill wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

You can only show it's invalid if one has the courage to discuss it without getting emotional and shutting the other person into silence. That's not rational.

And FYI - there is scientific evidence why some people are racist and irrational.  Look it up.

The point is zack, that you reach a point where what some posters say is so out-of-line that they are discounted at the on-set.  The UK even has laws that say it is a crime to make certain statements, and I have resisted and criticized that.  But with some posters it gets a little tedious.

In any case, I don't listen to abject racists.  I barely have patience for Raggs or eds.

And you, zack, haven't contributed anything to the discussion.  You're too wrapped up in your animosity toward didge.

You are conflating racial abuse with racist views. That's your problem.

You may feel my contribution is lacking but that's not the response of others. So this time, your view is irrelevant. ;-)

As for Didge, you will find he responded to my posts.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Because I'm white? You want to steal from me under some kind of fraudulent claim that I'm responsible for some wrongdoing - purely because of the colour of my skin. That makes you the thief, and a racist one.

You are the first to complain when a black person is accused of wrongdoing, and yet you sit here falsely accusing white people.

But you are the cause.  Not only that, you're not even a good citizen.  You're just a cheat on your obligations.

No Quill, you are the cause of the racial problems in the US, plus you're a con man who wants to persuade white people to hand over their goods based on a lie that you told them.

Original Quill wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Positive Discrimination:

Should sons and daughters of white slave owners be liable for the sins of their parents?

Should they inherit the estates of their parents?  If we could do away with the evil of inheritance we might see some progress on the racial issue.

The entrenchment of wealth is part of the institutionalization of prejudice.

A simple yes would have sufficed.

You do believe children bare the sins of their parents. Hmm!

Original Quill wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Positive Discrimination:

Should sons and daughters of white slave owners be liable for the sins of their parents?

Should they inherit the estates of their parents?  If we could do away with the evil of inheritance we might see some progress on the racial issue.

The entrenchment of wealth is part of the institutionalization of prejudice.

So now,INHERITANCE is evil.

What's next?.......Kittens?

Will you be handing over that castle you have in Scotland Quill?

Shady wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Should they inherit the estates of their parents?  If we could do away with the evil of inheritance we might see some progress on the racial issue.

The entrenchment of wealth is part of the institutionalization of prejudice.

So now,INHERITANCE is evil.

What's next?.......Kittens?

You may as well sign over the deeds of your house to me shady.

How about the White Americans handing back all the land to what's left of the native Americans?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

The point is zack, that you reach a point where what some posters say is so out-of-line that they are discounted at the on-set.  The UK even has laws that say it is a crime to make certain statements, and I have resisted and criticized that.  But with some posters it gets a little tedious.

In any case, I don't listen to abject racists.  I barely have patience for Raggs or eds.

And you, zack, haven't contributed anything to the discussion.  You're too wrapped up in your animosity toward didge.

I often feel that way about you Quill. Some of the stuff you come out with is so bizarre that nearly all your posts can be discounted.

However, perhaps you could explain why me thinking that white people and black people should be equal is racist? It's you who thinks that white people should be unequal. Here's a radical idea for you Quill - how about you treat white people as human beings?

Raggs if you compare Quills posts to those of Didge,I'm sure you will notice a remarkable similarity between them.

Quill I'm afraid has become stupified by Didge & is now mimicking him.......He's a lost cause.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Shady wrote:


So now,INHERITANCE is evil.

What's next?.......Kittens?

You may as well sign over the deeds of your house to me shady.

They're in the post now Zack.

Shady wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I often feel that way about you Quill. Some of the stuff you come out with is so bizarre that nearly all your posts can be discounted.

However, perhaps you could explain why me thinking that white people and black people should be equal is racist? It's you who thinks that white people should be unequal. Here's a radical idea for you Quill - how about you treat white people as human beings?

Raggs if you compare Quills posts to those of Didge,I'm sure you will notice a remarkable similarity between them.

Quill I'm afraid has become stupified by Didge & is now mimicking him.......He's a lost cause.

Yes, I have noticed, but I think that Didge is mimicking Quill. Perhaps they're joined at the hip.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Shady wrote:

Raggs if you compare Quills posts to those of Didge,I'm sure you will notice a remarkable similarity between them.

Quill I'm afraid has become stupified by Didge & is now mimicking him.......He's a lost cause.

Yes, I have noticed, but I think that Didge is mimicking Quill. Perhaps they're joined at the hip.

Somethings happening with Quill which is a pity,because he is obviously an intellectual & someone from which we can learn........But I still reckon it's Didge's fault.He's got through to Quill & he's cracking up.

Zack wrote:You are conflating racial abuse with racist views. That's your problem.

I don't have a problem. And neither is this thread about me.

Racial views are racial abuse. Only someone whose boots are in the shit would make that argument.

Zack wrote:You may feel my contribution is lacking but that's not the response of others. So this time, your view is irrelevant. ;-)

I just pointed out to you a fact. It's not an issue amenable to democratic means. The "others" of whom you speak, are predisposed in their arguments.

Zack wrote:As for Didge, you will find he responded to my posts.

You've been having this bullshit go-around with didge for ages. It doesn't matter who started it. It's a distraction. It wastes my time. But the fact is, didge usually has a point beneath it all. You don't.

So let's get back to the topic, and stop changing the subject.

Original Quill wrote:

Zack wrote:You are conflating racial abuse with racist views. That's your problem.

I don't have a problem.  And neither is this thread about me.

Racial views are racial abuse.  Only someone whose boots are in the shit would make that argument.

Zack wrote:You may feel my contribution is lacking but that's not the response of others. So this time, your view is irrelevant. ;-)

I just pointed out to you a fact.  It's not an issue amenable to democratic means.  The "others" of whom you speak, are predisposed in their arguments.  

Zack wrote:As for Didge, you will find he responded to my posts.

You've been having this bullshit go-around with didge for ages.  It doesn't matter who started it.  It's a distraction.  It wastes my time.  But the fact is, didge usually has a point beneath it all.  You don't.

So let's get back to the topic, and stop changing the subject.

So is inheritance still evil?

Shady wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Yes, I have noticed, but I think that Didge is mimicking Quill. Perhaps they're joined at the hip.

Somethings happening with Quill which is a pity,because he is obviously an intellectual & someone from which we can learn........But I still reckon it's Didge's fault.He's got through to Quill & he's cracking up.

Well, thank you for the kind word Uncle Shady.

But the thread isn't about me or didge, or anybody. Let's get back to the thread.

Original Quill wrote:

Shady wrote:

Somethings happening with Quill which is a pity,because he is obviously an intellectual & someone from which we can learn........But I still reckon it's Didge's fault.He's got through to Quill & he's cracking up.

Well, thank you for the kind word Uncle Shady.  

But the thread isn't about me or didge, or anybody.  Let's get back to the thread.

Love to Quill.But when you come out with such garbage,you're going to get hard times.

Accuse white people of being racist while saying that inheritance is evil,then posters will react.

It's your choice sexy boy.

Shady wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Yes, I have noticed, but I think that Didge is mimicking Quill. Perhaps they're joined at the hip.

Somethings happening with Quill which is a pity,because he is obviously an intellectual & someone from which we can learn........But I still reckon it's Didge's fault.He's got through to Quill & he's cracking up.

I can't think of anything anyone can learn from Quill - he's away with the fairies.

Shady wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

I don't have a problem.  And neither is this thread about me.

Racial views are racial abuse.  Only someone whose boots are in the shit would make that argument.




I just pointed out to you a fact.  It's not an issue amenable to democratic means.  The "others" of whom you speak, are predisposed in their arguments.  



You've been having this bullshit go-around with didge for ages.  It doesn't matter who started it.  It's a distraction.  It wastes my time.  But the fact is, didge usually has a point beneath it all.  You don't.

So let's get back to the topic, and stop changing the subject.

So is inheritance still evil?

I think it’s an institution that ought to be questioned.  We are always lauding our market ideology, touting how hard work and persistence leads to wealth.  Yet, look around…all of the wealth is attributable to inheritance.

One axiom is for sure: Rich men don’t pass on their talents; they pass on trusts.  Realizing this, through inheritance are we not creating a tribe of imbecilic morons who are in charge of the world’s wealth?

Maybe this is why the crazies—the Donald Trump’s and the Tea Party-ites—are taking over.  The clowns are in charge of the circus.

Get rid of inheritance and we are back to our talents.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


Oh dear, there is evidence for prejudice in some people, more so in those RW and not specifically racism. Of which I have read the study which if you had you would not have made such a clanger.
I am happy to discuss which often happens on  here but the fact of the matter is racism is just a belief and beliefs that effect the well being and equality of others break the golden rule.
The point is you can as stated rubbish racism from the off, as there s no biological bases for this. Are you saying its wrong to do that and allow a person to wrongly believe or not point this out from the start?

No. I'm saying racist opinions should not be dismissed and swept under the carpet.

They have validity because it exists. Irrational though it may be, so call intelligent people (as you claim to be) should not be afraid to discuss it rationally.

Instead we have a PC society which just shouts them down in ridicule. I find that equally irrational. I'd rather discuss rationally.  

Absurd reasoning yet again.
Nobody is afraid to talk about this.
You seemt to be conflating different iddues
One of which I am stating and also Quill is from the off rightly rubbishing a racist opinion, because it is born from an ignorant view. That does not mean the individual is ignorant per say but their stand point on racial issues is very much ignorant. Clearly you were too pampered in school, because for a start what is their to debate on racism when it is an inherantly bad belief system that has no evidence? So you tell me from what start point does the racist have on debating the point when from the off his position is from a position of ignorance?
What you are trying to claim is that, we are saying we do not want to discuss, racism, which is as seem about as idiotic as it gets. As that is what has been discussed throughout on many threads. So nobody is saying you cannot have an opinion on racism, what is being said is do not be surprised if that opinion is going to rubbished for being utter nonsense.

Now you have regurgitated your first original post, which was wrong in its assumption the first time and quite frankily idiotic. An opinion can rightly be ridiculed if it is nonsense. It seems the issue you have is not to be too harsh on those being ignorant on a topic

Well tough

Shady wrote:

eddie wrote:How about the Barbary slave trade, under which over 1 million white Christian Europeans were enslaved in North Africa until the middle of the 18th century?



Shhhhhh!!!
Are we allowed to mention that???

Eddie I'll give odds of 2/1 that Quill will ignore your post.

And I'll give 1/1 that he'll come up with a smoke screen answer.

Oh I know.

eddie wrote:

Shady wrote:

Eddie I'll give odds of 2/1 that Quill will ignore your post.

And I'll give 1/1 that he'll come up with a smoke screen answer.

Oh I know.

Okay Eddie what do you know about the barbaury Slave trade?
Was this slavery formed from racism?
Or was it formed from a ideological point.
You do understadn this or have you just googled white slavery without understanding this?


While the Barbary slave trade is typically portrayed as Muslim corsairs capturing white Christian victims, this is far too simplistic.  In reality, the corsairs were not concerned with the race or religious orientation of those they captured. Slaves in Barbary could be black, brown or white, Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox, Jewish or Muslim. And the corsairs were not only Muslim; English privateers and Dutch captains also exploited the changing loyalties of an era in which friends could become enemies and enemies friends with the stroke of a pen.

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eddie wrote:

Shady wrote:

Eddie I'll give odds of 2/1 that Quill will ignore your post.

And I'll give 1/1 that he'll come up with a smoke screen answer.

Oh I know.

We've disposed of that silly argument uncle shady, eons ago. Barbary pirates are an interesting, but detached and truncated part of history. There is no legacy of it today.

African American slavery, originally brought by the British, and carried on in the Americas, is alive and well in segregation and racism throughout the world, and certainly in the US.

It's a diversion. Eds brings up the Barbary pirates to waste our time. She knows better.

Well.
I can't type properly, I'm too busy wringing my hands over the evils of my white skin.

I think I'll go and beat myself with a black dildo, after all, I've had the real thing and it obviously wasn't enough to absolve me of my inner racist

Original Quill wrote:

Zack wrote:You are conflating racial abuse with racist views. That's your problem.

I don't have a problem.  And neither is this thread about me.

Racial views are racial abuse.  Only someone whose boots are in the shit would make that argument.

Zack wrote:You may feel my contribution is lacking but that's not the response of others. So this time, your view is irrelevant. ;-)

I just pointed out to you a fact.  It's not an issue amenable to democratic means.  The "others" of whom you speak, are predisposed in their arguments.  

Zack wrote:As for Didge, you will find he responded to my posts.

You've been having this bullshit go-around with didge for ages.  It doesn't matter who started it.  It's a distraction.  It wastes my time.  But the fact is, didge usually has a point beneath it all.  You don't.

So let's get back to the topic, and stop changing the subject.

Shouting racial abuse at someone is different than holding a racist view.

It does sound like you have some sort of chip on your shoulder. Just pointing out a fact.

Again people need to understand what racist slavery is compared to other forms of slavery, which has been around since civilization formed.
Irish slaves to America as I pointed out before is white racism, caused by other whites, degrading white groups as not white and inferior.

Now all I have seen is liittle debate from Shady and Rags who seem to be talking between themselves about posters, which seems to be the limit of their intellect to debate such a topic. They cannot engage quill on the points and then we have Eddie who can google but cannot understand what she is posting.

We have then Zack bemoaning Quill, where zack berates for rubbishing a view because its racist, even though racism has no reasoning or scientific evidence. He feels this is a great travesty for some reason yet at the same time joins in with shady basically doing what he is moaning to quill about and bithcing about Quill.

Lol, never seen such poor posting and all because many are doing what zack is moaning about to Quill, where posters are just rubbishing his points but in this case have little to back their stance or any reasoning.

Now I disagree with Quill on white racism and we have had this debate before but it was backed up with evidence and reason.

Here ends the lesson of the day

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Zack wrote:You are conflating racial abuse with racist views. That's your problem.

I don't have a problem.  And neither is this thread about me.

Racial views are racial abuse.  Only someone whose boots are in the shit would make that argument.

Zack wrote:You may feel my contribution is lacking but that's not the response of others. So this time, your view is irrelevant. ;-)

I just pointed out to you a fact.  It's not an issue amenable to democratic means.  The "others" of whom you speak, are predisposed in their arguments.  

Zack wrote:As for Didge, you will find he responded to my posts.

You've been having this bullshit go-around with didge for ages.  It doesn't matter who started it.  It's a distraction.  It wastes my time.  But the fact is, didge usually has a point beneath it all.  You don't.

So let's get back to the topic, and stop changing the subject.

Shouting racial abuse at someone is different than holding a racist view.

It does sound like you have some sort of chip on your shoulder. Just pointing out a fact.

Absolutely

Cuchulain wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

No. I'm saying racist opinions should not be dismissed and swept under the carpet.

They have validity because it exists. Irrational though it may be, so call intelligent people (as you claim to be) should not be afraid to discuss it rationally.

Instead we have a PC society which just shouts them down in ridicule. I find that equally irrational. I'd rather discuss rationally.  

Absurd reasoning yet again.
Nobody is afraid to talk about this.
You seemt to be conflating different iddues
One of which I am stating and also Quill is from the off rightly rubbishing a racist opinion, because it is born from an ignorant view. That does not mean the individual is ignorant per say but their stand point on racial issues is very much ignorant. Clearly you were too pampered in school, because for a start what is their to debate on racism when it is an inherantly bad belief system that has no evidence? So you tell me from what start point does the racist have on debating the point when from the off his position is from a position of ignorance?
What you are trying to claim is that, we are saying we do not want to discuss, racism, which is as seem about as idiotic as it gets. As that is what has been discussed throughout on many threads. So nobody is saying you cannot have an opinion on racism, what is being said is do not be surprised if that opinion is going to rubbished for being utter nonsense.

Now you have regurgitated your first original post, which was wrong in its assumption the first time and quite frankily idiotic. An opinion can rightly be ridiculed if it is nonsense. It seems the issue you have is not to be too harsh on those being ignorant on a topic

Well tough

Discussing is rational. Good. It shows you have the courage of believing what ever you do.

Ridiculing and mockery is emotional. Bad. It shows you lack the conviction of your beliefs. And more importantly, doesn't get anyone anywhere.

Now can Zack have been "pampered" at school?
Surely that's only for whites people?

According to Quill.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


Absurd reasoning yet again.
Nobody is afraid to talk about this.
You seemt to be conflating different iddues
One of which I am stating and also Quill is from the off rightly rubbishing a racist opinion, because it is born from an ignorant view. That does not mean the individual is ignorant per say but their stand point on racial issues is very much ignorant. Clearly you were too pampered in school, because for a start what is their to debate on racism when it is an inherantly bad belief system that has no evidence? So you tell me from what start point does the racist have on debating the point when from the off his position is from a position of ignorance?
What you are trying to claim is that, we are saying we do not want to discuss, racism, which is as seem about as idiotic as it gets. As that is what has been discussed throughout on many threads. So nobody is saying you cannot have an opinion on racism, what is being said is do not be surprised if that opinion is going to rubbished for being utter nonsense.

Now you have regurgitated your first original post, which was wrong in its assumption the first time and quite frankily idiotic. An opinion can rightly be ridiculed if it is nonsense. It seems the issue you have is not to be too harsh on those being ignorant on a topic

Well tough

Discussing is rational. Good. It shows you have the courage of believing what ever you do.

Ridiculing and mockery is emotional. Bad. It shows you lack the conviction of your beliefs. And more importantly, doesn't get anyone anywhere.

Incorrect, when you rubbish something when it is rubbish based on nothing more than an irrational prejudice belief teaches a lesson, a hard lesson at that.
It shows your reasoning here lacks any merit as again constantly racism is discussed as one of the main topics on here.
So again I ask how do you discuss rationally in regards to something like racism that is irrational?
Second time asking and lets see this time if you have an answer.

Try agan

Original Quill wrote:

Shady wrote:

So is inheritance still evil?

I think it’s an institution that ought to be questioned.  We are always lauding our market ideology, touting how hard work and persistence leads to wealth.  Yet, look around…all of the wealth is attributable to inheritance.

One axiom is for sure: Rich men don’t pass on their talents; they pass on trusts.  Realizing this, through inheritance are we not creating a tribe of imbecilic morons who are in charge of the world’s wealth?

Maybe this is why the crazies—the Donald Trump’s and the Tea Party-ites—are taking over.  The clowns are in charge of the circus.

Get rid of inheritance and we are back to our talents.

Do you have children?

If so,& when you die.Will they inherit your estate?

eddie wrote:Now can Zack have been "pampered" at school?
Surely that's only for whites people?

According to Quill.

Who said all the teachers were white?

Cuchulain wrote:

eddie wrote:Now can Zack have been "pampered" at school?
Surely that's only for whites people?

According to Quill.

Who said all the teachers were white?

Erm, what? Zack would've been a STUDENT at school?

eddie wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

Who said all the teachers were white?

Erm, what? Zack would've been a STUDENT at school?

How are you to know what school Zack went to?
Or the ethnicity or religious aspect of that school for example?

Now religious schools being as I went to one can be extremely biased.

Does that sink hom,e Eddie?

Cuchulain wrote:

eddie wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

Who said all the teachers were white?

Erm, what? Zack would've been a STUDENT at school?

How are you to know what school Zack went to?
Or the ethnicity or religious aspect of that school for example?

Now religious schools being as I went to one can be extremely biased.

Does that sink hom,e Eddie?

Nope. It doesn't sink anywhere but to the bottom of your muddy sea.

You said he must've been pampered at school so I responded to that (quill stylee)

I have no idea why you're rambling in about teachers and religious schools when I only concentrated on the "pampered" part

Everyone else but you, will get what I mean.

Cuchulain wrote:Again people need to understand what racist slavery is compared to other forms of slavery, which has been around since civilization formed.
Irish slaves to America as I pointed out before is white racism, caused by other whites, degrading white groups as not white and inferior.

Now all I have seen is liittle debate from Shady and Rags who seem to be talking between themselves about posters, which seems to be the limit of their intellect to debate such a topic. They cannot engage quill on the points and then we have Eddie who can google but cannot understand what she is posting.

We have then Zack bemoaning Quill, where zack berates for rubbishing a view because its racist, even though racism has no reasoning or scientific evidence. He feels this is a great travesty for some reason yet at the same time joins in with shady basically doing what he is moaning to quill about and bithcing about Quill.

Lol, never seen such poor posting and all because many are doing what zack is moaning about to Quill, where posters are just rubbishing his points but in this case have little to back their stance or any reasoning.

Now I disagree with Quill on white racism and we have had this debate before but it was backed up with evidence and reason.

Here ends the lesson of the day

You're like Quill - you just repeat the same thing over and over again, and you can't back it up. Quill has these weird ideas, and when he's challenged on them, he just accuses anyone who happens to be white of being a thief. I wouldn't call that debating.

eddie wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

How are you to know what school Zack went to?
Or the ethnicity or religious aspect of that school for example?

Now religious schools being as I went to one can be extremely biased.

Does that sink hom,e Eddie?

Nope. It doesn't sink anywhere but to the bottom of your muddy sea.

You said he must've been pampered at school so I responded to that (quill stylee)

I have no idea why you're rambling in about teachers and religious schools when I only concentrated on the "pampered" part

Everyone else but you, will get what I mean.

I expected nothing less that you would not understand, even though you yourself have been a teacher, where soime teachers are bad in how they teach children as if wrapped up in cotten wool. They are afraid to be stern to correct mistakes made by students. Listen throughout this debate, you have not grasped where Quill is coming from. I do and I agree on some points and others I do not, but all I have seen is you, shady, Rags etc act like little twerps to be honest and none of you could engage him with this debate. This is the point zack was making and yet has not spoken out on one of you in this regards which makes him quite the hypocrite. If you believe his views are rubbish then prove so with reason, not have the four of you act like two year olds.
All of you are being empotive in your replies and it is why your replies lack reason. You have to back up rubbishing something with sound reason. Many academics do this all the time, contrary to what Zack is claiming.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:Again people need to understand what racist slavery is compared to other forms of slavery, which has been around since civilization formed.
Irish slaves to America as I pointed out before is white racism, caused by other whites, degrading white groups as not white and inferior.

Now all I have seen is liittle debate from Shady and Rags who seem to be talking between themselves about posters, which seems to be the limit of their intellect to debate such a topic. They cannot engage quill on the points and then we have Eddie who can google but cannot understand what she is posting.

We have then Zack bemoaning Quill, where zack berates for rubbishing a view because its racist, even though racism has no reasoning or scientific evidence. He feels this is a great travesty for some reason yet at the same time joins in with shady basically doing what he is moaning to quill about and bithcing about Quill.

Lol, never seen such poor posting and all because many are doing what zack is moaning about to Quill, where posters are just rubbishing his points but in this case have little to back their stance or any reasoning.

Now I disagree with Quill on white racism and we have had this debate before but it was backed up with evidence and reason.

Here ends the lesson of the day

You're like Quill - you just repeat the same thing over and over again, and you can't back it up. Quill has these weird ideas, and when he's challenged on them, he just accuses anyone who happens to be white of being a thief. I wouldn't call that debating.

See, Rag proves my point, she jumps in with nothing on the debate but acting like an immature two year old

So how is this white guilt trip in the US supposed to work then? Quill claims that white people owe black people something for some bizarre reason, so what do they owe them? Money?

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You're like Quill - you just repeat the same thing over and over again, and you can't back it up. Quill has these weird ideas, and when he's challenged on them, he just accuses anyone who happens to be white of being a thief. I wouldn't call that debating.

See, Rag proves my point, she jumps in with nothing on the debate but acting like an immature two year old

That's your standard reply. See? You do just say the same thing over and over again. Do you never get bored with yourself?

What? I am telling you that Quill is racist against white people.

You want me to back up my claims?
Read the whole debate here, and anywhere else where he's been wringing his hands over "white evil"

I have shown him, with two links previously, and my own experiences, that black people can be racists too.
He disagrees of course.

He calls me racist because I don't agree with him yet Zack isn't racist (even though he disagrees with him plenty) because Zack isn't white??!

You couldn't make this shit up.

Let's see how the white guilt trip works in everyday life then.

Let's say an average white shop assistant sees a black person approaching their counter. What do they think? Do they think - oooh, here's a black person. I wonder if they think that my ancestor was a slave owner and blame me for that. Perhaps I'd better be extra nice to them just in case, or maybe I should knock a few dollars off for them - you know, as compensation for what someone might have done to one of their ancestors.

Is that how it goes?