4 out of 5 refugees not syrian????

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Four out of five migrants are NOT from Syria: EU figures expose the 'lie' that the majority of refugees are fleeing war zone
Some 44,000 of the 213,000 refugees who arrived in Europe were from Syria
A further 27,000 new arrivals on the continent came from Afghanistan
Britain received one in 30 of all the asylum claims made by new applicants
David Cameron has offered to take in 20,000 refugees but none from the EU


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it seems we have some taking advantage of what is going on....

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You do like demanding things from others don't you? If you don't like my posts you are free to jog on and talk to someone else. I won't change my views to suit you. I wasn't even talking to you in the first place - you say the same things over and over again, and you have no original thoughts in your brain whatsoever. Basically, you're a waste of space.

That was your last chance to reply to the points and yet again all you did was sound off like an immature brat.
As seen when faced with points you cannot answer you use any method to deflect.
Stop wasting my time, as its clear like I said you are ignorant to the problems of discrmination in the US.

You're wasting your own time Didge. I didn't force you to reply to me in the first place. It's typical of you and your ilk to blame others for what you did yourself. That's the problem - you won't take responsibility for your own actions. You're a closet leftie really.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

That was your last chance to reply to the points and yet again all you did was sound off like an immature brat.
As seen when faced with points you cannot answer you use any method to deflect.
Stop wasting my time, as its clear like I said you are ignorant to the problems of discrmination in the US.

You're wasting your own time Didge. I didn't force you to reply to me in the first place. It's typical of you and your ilk to blame others for what you did yourself. That's the problem - you won't take responsibility for your own actions. You're a closet leftie really.

That is now 5 posts where you have not address my points.
Your ignorance on the US is of no surprise though.
Now move along and let the adults debate, because if you do not think white people are born into a privildeged system then you truly are quite the thicky

Now stop wasting my time with deflections.

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You're wasting your own time Didge. I didn't force you to reply to me in the first place. It's typical of you and your ilk to blame others for what you did yourself. That's the problem - you won't take responsibility for your own actions. You're a closet leftie really.

That is now 5 posts where you have not address my points.
Your ignorance on the US is of no surprise though.
Now move along and let the adults debate, because if you do not think white people are born into a privildeged system then you truly are quite the thicky

Now stop wasting my time with deflections.

You're still wasting your own time. You're just like a leftie - you make a tit of yourself and look around for someone else to blame.

You, Quill, and Veya are cut from the same cloth, and none of you has an original thought on the issue.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

That is now 5 posts where you have not address my points.
Your ignorance on the US is of no surprise though.
Now move along and let the adults debate, because if you do not think white people are born into a privildeged system then you truly are quite the thicky

Now stop wasting my time with deflections.

You're still wasting your own time. You're just like a leftie - you make a tit of yourself and look around for someone else to blame.

You, Quill, and Veya are cut from the same cloth, and none of you has an original thought on the issue.

Yet more drivel and deflections again not addressing a single point or even understanding the issues.
So thanks for your views on 3 posters, but its not our fault you are very stupid
Stop blaming others for your own failings.

oh heck didge if you think Raggs is stupid then you're very mistaken she is one of the best posters on here with a truck load of information and knowledge , you only post C&P Raggs has the knowledge and far too quick witted for you every time .

I think quill is black!

Vicar Of Dibley wrote:oh heck didge if you think Raggs is stupid then you're very mistaken she is one of the best posters on here with a truck load of information and knowledge , you only post C&P Raggs has the knowledge and far too quick witted for you every time .

Thank you VOD.

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Africans should be returned to the African union to deal with...

Those from middle east should be handed over to the Arab league to deal with.

Well, but tommy you are a racist.  Racist opinions don't count.

That would be like letting a convicted convict vote.

Silly analogy.

And you may not like or agree with his opinion but it does count.

Sweeping his opinions under the carpet doesn't get rid of them. In fact, it's quite cowardly to even do so.

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Africans should be returned to the African union to deal with...

Those from middle east should be handed over to the Arab league to deal with.

Well, but tommy you are a racist.  Racist opinions don't count.

That would be like letting a convicted convict vote.

Having read many of your posts Quill it is easy for me to conclude that you are most probably the most anti-white racist I have ever encountered.

quill is black, from the way he talks there is no other explanation!

And, no. You don't have to be in a position of power or privilege to be a racist.

How absurd and stupid to even think so.  This is the mentality of a college student who he knows it all just because he read a book.

nicko wrote:quill is black,  from the way he talks there is no other explanation!

What difference does that make, dumb ass?

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

nicko wrote:quill is black,  from the way he talks there is no other explanation!

What difference does that make, dumb ass?

Good afternoon Zack.

Going off on a tangent.Is it you who manages a care or nursing home?

Shady wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

What difference does that make, dumb ass?

Good afternoon Zack.

Going off on a tangent.Is it you who manages a care or nursing home?

Yes

Don't manage. Own.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Don't manage. Own.

Thank you as you may be able to give me a little advice.

There is someone I know whose elderly relative died recently in either an elderly persons care or nursing home.I didn't know there was a difference.

This person has been approached by a firm of solicitors which says it may be able to claim back from the local authority,the monthly care/nursing home fees paid for by the deceased's pension and or savings.

Does this make sense to you as I was asked because I just happened to be with this person during the conversation?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Vicar Of Dibley wrote:oh heck didge if you think Raggs is stupid then you're very mistaken she is one of the best posters on here with a truck load of information and knowledge , you only post C&P Raggs has the knowledge and far too quick witted for you every time .

Thank you VOD.

you're welcome

Shady wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Don't manage. Own.

Thank you as you may be able to give me a little advice.

There is someone I know whose elderly relative died recently in either an elderly persons care or nursing home.I didn't know there was a difference.

This person has been approached by a firm of solicitors which says it may be able to claim back from the local authority,the monthly care/nursing home fees paid for by the deceased's pension and or savings.

Does this make sense to you as I was asked because I just happened to be with this person during the conversation?

There have been cases where some people were not assessed properly by the local authorities, so they could save their budget.

https://youtu.be/I13N4ErskSU

But just like the PPI saga, many solicitors and accountants are cold calling people touting for business.

If you feel you have a case, get your own lawyer.

It depends on the value of assets of your friend. A means test would have been conducted. If their assets were below a certain threshold (about £23k), they would have been entitled to completely free care paid by the local authority or CCG.

Even if they had assets over £23k, they may still have been entitled to some element of free nursing care, which could be in the region of £100 per week.

I'll try to post some information you might need to get independent advice.

http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/family/care-home-costs-reclaiming

http://www.ageuk.org.uk/home-and-care/care-homes/paying-for-permanent-residential-care/

If they stayed in a care home and had assets greater than £23k, they may still have had to pay for the resendential (accommodation) costs but the NHS (CCG) may have been entitled to pay for the nursing care.

If they were completely miss-assessed, they may be entitled to the resendential fees too.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:If they stayed in a care home and had assets greater than £23k, they may still have had to pay for the resendential (accommodation) costs but the NHS (CCG) may have been entitled to pay for the nursing care.

If they were completely miss-assessed, they may be entitled to the resendential fees too.

Zack thank you for the information which I will go through & pass on.

Vicar Of Dibley wrote:oh heck didge if you think Raggs is stupid then you're very mistaken she is one of the best posters on here with a truck load of information and knowledge , you only post C&P Raggs has the knowledge and far too quick witted for you every time .

Please Dibs, Iam on the floor laughing she is as dim witted as you are and being the fact she is Christian and backs many negative views that you do, then it stands to reason you kiss her arse lol

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Well, but tommy you are a racist.  Racist opinions don't count.

That would be like letting a convicted convict vote.

Silly analogy.

And you may not like or agree with his opinion but it does count.

Sweeping his opinions under the carpet doesn't get rid of them. In fact, it's quite cowardly to even do so.

No his reasoning is sound, because racism is not based on any scientific evidence. Its a made up concept, that creates a prejudice view towards groups of people. That does not make for a valid opinion, and rightly should be rubbished when it effects the well being and equality of others.
So racist opinions do not count because they are bullshit, where they conflict with the golden rule.
Its not sweeping anything under the carpet its showing they have no validty. Biologically humans are one race, so to claim racism is valid as an opinion, is utterly stupid on your part.
Maybe you can attempt to show how and why something that racism, which is just a belief, has any validity?

Shady wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:If they stayed in a care home and had assets greater than £23k, they may still have had to pay for the resendential (accommodation) costs but the NHS (CCG) may have been entitled to pay for the nursing care.

If they were completely miss-assessed, they may be entitled to the resendential fees too.

Zack thank you for the information which I will go through & pass on.

Cool.

Cuchulain wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Silly analogy.

And you may not like or agree with his opinion but it does count.

Sweeping his opinions under the carpet doesn't get rid of them. In fact, it's quite cowardly to even do so.

No his reasoning is sound, because racism is not based on any scientific evidence. Its a made up concept, that creates a prejudice view towards groups of people. That does not make for a valid opinion, and rightly should be rubbished when it effects the well being and equality of others.
So racist opinions do not count because they are bullshit, where they conflict with the golden rule.
Its not sweeping anything under the carpet its showing they have no validty. Biologically humans are one race, so to claim racism is valid as an opinion, is utterly stupid on your part.
Maybe you can attempt to show how and why something that racism, which is just a belief, has any validity?

You can only show it's invalid if one has the courage to discuss it without getting emotional and shutting the other person into silence. That's not rational.

And FYI - there is scientific evidence why some people are racist and irrational. Look it up.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


No his reasoning is sound, because racism is not based on any scientific evidence. Its a made up concept, that creates a prejudice view towards groups of people. That does not make for a valid opinion, and rightly should be rubbished when it effects the well being and equality of others.
So racist opinions do not count because they are bullshit, where they conflict with the golden rule.
Its not sweeping anything under the carpet its showing they have no validty. Biologically humans are one race, so to claim racism is valid as an opinion, is utterly stupid on your part.
Maybe you can attempt to show how and why something that racism, which is just a belief, has any validity?

You can only show it's invalid if one has the courage to discuss it without getting emotional and shutting the other person into silence. That's not rational.

And FYI - there is scientific evidence why some people are racist and irrational.  Look it up.

Oh dear, there is evidence for prejudice in some people, more so in those RW and not specifically racism. Of which I have read the study which if you had you would not have made such a clanger.
I am happy to discuss which often happens on  here but the fact of the matter is racism is just a belief and beliefs that effect the well being and equality of others break the golden rule.
The point is you can as stated rubbish racism from the off, as there s no biological bases for this. Are you saying its wrong to do that and allow a person to wrongly believe or not point this out from the start?

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

It's no wonder there are still so many racial issues in the US. You're constantly segregating people according to their skin colour, you're apportioning blame to people who have done nothing wrong, and you're saying they should "pay" for something they didn't do, and you're also constantly telling others that they're victims, even if they're perfectly happy. You're telling little black children that they're victims from the moment they're born simply because of their skin colour. Do you expect them to grow up to feel equal after you've done that?

Your way doesn't work - it causes resentment and also a sense of victimhood which isn't justified.  

You need to move on and get with the programme.

And the above also is clueless not understanding there is a still a massive disparity on how whites and blacks are treated in America.
Trying to brush it under the carpet does not resolve anything.
You need to stop trying to defend discrmination.
The fact is there is not equality for groups in the US.
For too long it has been a White racist Christian ethos that has dominated society which still derives back to slavery and within the South not recognising defeat within a Civil war. You need to stop talking shite about something you clearly know next to nothing about.

Excellent post. I was just going to respond, until I read it. What Raggs is doing is simply returning to the same old theory of distributive equality.

Let's all be equal,
While I still have my jackboot on your neck.

Christie wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Not as absurd as your background of slavery, and the consequence of institutional racism we have today.

FGS don't blame me for bringing the message to you.  The facts are those that your ancestors brought about.  Think of the gall they must have had for even thinking of it.

You are in denial.  I understand.  But you can't deny the logic.  If only your ancestors knew what they were creating.  But then I only have so much sympathy to go around...I have very little for the whites.

Quill, are you a black man?

No. My photograph is at the top of my post, to the left.

Original Quill wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

And the above also is clueless not understanding there is a still a massive disparity on how whites and blacks are treated in America.
Trying to brush it under the carpet does not resolve anything.
You need to stop trying to defend discrmination.
The fact is there is not equality for groups in the US.
For too long it has been a White racist Christian ethos that has dominated society which still derives back to slavery and within the South not recognising defeat within a Civil war. You need to stop talking shite about something you clearly know next to nothing about.

Excellent post.  I was just going to respond, until I read it.  What Raggs is doing is simply returning to the same old theory of distributive equality.

Let's all be equal,
While I still have my jackboot on your neck.

Nail on the head and no pun intended.

Indeed and that is the problem they wrongly think their is a level playing field from the start, when there is not, hence the massive disparity there still is today between blacks and whites in America.

eddie wrote:No one is disputing how blacks are treated in certain parts of the U.S.

But quill, quite actively, derides and mocks while people??!!

Can you not see that, that behaviour towards white people (and most of us aren't racist on here) is just as bad as the way the KKK look down upon blacks???

Quill is a racist. I don't ever use that word lightly either.
Quite frankly, he's more racist than Tommy comes across because as least Tommy owns it.
Closet racists are the worst.

And yep, I think quill is a black man with a big fucking chip on his shoulders.

This is what DENIAL looks like. ^ I do not deride white people, nor do wish to put them into slavery as did your ancestors.

I simply advocate standing by the human contract that whites made.  They took out a loan by enslaving black people.  Now, comes the payback.  Then need to give back everything they took, with interest.

Every deadbeat kicks and screams when the banker calls the note.  I'm simply restating the debt.  What you see above ^ is the kicking and screaming.  They weren't kicking and screaming while enjoying the fruits of their indebtedness.  You even hear them complaining about deadbeat dads, when they see a father who won't pay child support.  Yet, when the debt comes home to them, listen to the whine.

'Why can't the bank forget the loan?' they argue.  "I know...let's call it equality...we're all equal in our pocketbooks and purses...the slate wiped clean.  Banker!  Don't call in the debt...it's not fair, it's not equality.  You are discriminating against deadbeats, who just want to live our lives and keep the money we stole.  How unfair!  You should be happy we now recognize the iniquity of our ways when we took out the debt.  Don't ask us to repay it, FGS!  That's discrimination!''

You get the point.

Cuchulain wrote:

eddie wrote:No one is disputing how blacks are treated in certain parts of the U.S.

But quill, quite actively, derides and mocks while people??!!

Can you not see that, that behaviour towards white people (and most of us aren't racist on here) is just as bad as the way the KKK look down upon blacks???

Quill is a racist. I don't ever use that word lightly either.
Quite frankly, he's more racist than Tommy comes across because as least Tommy owns it.
Closet racists are the worst.

And yep, I think quill is a black man with a big fucking chip on his shoulders.

I think many on here are inadvertantly racist
He is not more racist than Tommy, that is just bullshit. Some of his views are just wrong, that is all, but racism is about a view to view another as inferior.
You just ended with a racist remark as if a person has to be black to hold such views and with the poor sterotype associated of a chip on the shoulder
All I can say is wow

A racist remark? What's racist about saying that I think someone is a black man and he has a chip on his shoulder?

I think some of you try too bloody hard NOT to be racist; it's bit sickly actually, and also quite patronising!

Quill constantly spouts on about "privileged whites" like there aren't any blacks and Asians that are born rich and privileged!
I know quite a few.

Quill sounds like a childish teenager who thinks he's in the sixties lol

Original Quill wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

And the above also is clueless not understanding there is a still a massive disparity on how whites and blacks are treated in America.
Trying to brush it under the carpet does not resolve anything.
You need to stop trying to defend discrmination.
The fact is there is not equality for groups in the US.
For too long it has been a White racist Christian ethos that has dominated society which still derives back to slavery and within the South not recognising defeat within a Civil war. You need to stop talking shite about something you clearly know next to nothing about.

Excellent post.  I was just going to respond, until I read it.  What Raggs is doing is simply returning to the same old theory of distributive equality.

Let's all be equal,
While I still have my jackboot on your neck.

You seem to have a problem with everyone being equal. Why is that? Do you think that white people should be less equal because of the colour of their skin?

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Africans should be returned to the African union to deal with...

Those from middle east should be handed over to the Arab league to deal with.

Well, but tommy you are a racist.  Racist opinions don't count.

That would be like letting a convicted convict vote.

Silly analogy.

And you may not like or agree with his opinion but it does count.

Sweeping his opinions under the carpet doesn't get rid of them. In fact, it's quite cowardly to even do so.

Thank you!!!!!! Thank you!!!

Though he won't take you to task because you're a "non-White" and therefore under-privileged.......

Oh and of course he'd be coming across as "racist" if he dared oppose your views

eddie wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

I think many on here are inadvertantly racist
He is not more racist than Tommy, that is just bullshit. Some of his views are just wrong, that is all, but racism is about a view to view another as inferior.
You just ended with a racist remark as if a person has to be black to hold such views and with the poor sterotype associated of a chip on the shoulder
All I can say is wow

A racist remark? What's racist about saying that I think someone is a black man and he has a chip on his shoulder?

I think some of you try too bloody hard NOT to be racist; it's bit sickly actually, and also quite patronising!

Quill constantly spouts on about "privileged whites" like there aren't any blacks and Asians that are born rich and privileged!
I know quite a few.

Quill sounds like a childish teenager who thinks he's in the sixties lol

Good post Eddie.

Original Quill wrote:

eddie wrote:No one is disputing how blacks are treated in certain parts of the U.S.

But quill, quite actively, derides and mocks while people??!!

Can you not see that, that behaviour towards white people (and most of us aren't racist on here) is just as bad as the way the KKK look down upon blacks???

Quill is a racist. I don't ever use that word lightly either.
Quite frankly, he's more racist than Tommy comes across because as least Tommy owns it.
Closet racists are the worst.

And yep, I think quill is a black man with a big fucking chip on his shoulders.

This is what DENIAL looks like. ^ I do not deride white people, nor do wish to put them into slavery as did your ancestors.

I simply advocate standing by the human contract that whites made.  They took out a loan by enslaving black people.  Now, comes the payback.  Then need to give back everything they took, with interest.

Every deadbeat kicks and screams when the banker calls the note.  I'm simply restating the debt.  What you see above ^ is the kicking and screaming.  They weren't kicking and screaming while enjoying the fruits of their indebtedness.  You even hear them complaining about deadbeat dads, when they see a father who won't pay child support.  Yet, when the debt comes home to them, listen to the whine.

'Why can't the bank forget the loan?' they argue.  "I know...let's call it equality...we're all equal in our pocketbooks and purses...the slate wiped clean.  Banker!  Don't call in the debt...it's not fair, it's not equality.  You are discriminating against deadbeats, who just want to live our lives and keep the money we stole.  How unfair!  You should be happy we now recognize the iniquity of our ways when we took out the debt.  Don't ask us to repay it, FGS!  That's discrimination!''

You get the point.

That's because they don't owe anything. It's only you and your ilk who have decided that they do - based purely on the colour of their skin. That's discrimination, and it's racist.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

This is what DENIAL looks like. ^ I do not deride white people, nor do wish to put them into slavery as did your ancestors.

I simply advocate standing by the human contract that whites made.  They took out a loan by enslaving black people.  Now, comes the payback.  Then need to give back everything they took, with interest.

Every deadbeat kicks and screams when the banker calls the note.  I'm simply restating the debt.  What you see above ^ is the kicking and screaming.  They weren't kicking and screaming while enjoying the fruits of their indebtedness.  You even hear them complaining about deadbeat dads, when they see a father who won't pay child support.  Yet, when the debt comes home to them, listen to the whine.

'Why can't the bank forget the loan?' they argue.  "I know...let's call it equality...we're all equal in our pocketbooks and purses...the slate wiped clean.  Banker!  Don't call in the debt...it's not fair, it's not equality.  You are discriminating against deadbeats, who just want to live our lives and keep the money we stole.  How unfair!  You should be happy we now recognize the iniquity of our ways when we took out the debt.  Don't ask us to repay it, FGS!  That's discrimination!''

You get the point.

That's because they don't owe anything. It's only you and your ilk who have decided that they do - based purely on the colour of their skin. That's discrimination, and it's racist.

Very true Raggs.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

This is what DENIAL looks like. ^ I do not deride white people, nor do wish to put them into slavery as did your ancestors.

I simply advocate standing by the human contract that whites made.  They took out a loan by enslaving black people.  Now, comes the payback.  Then need to give back everything they took, with interest.

Every deadbeat kicks and screams when the banker calls the note.  I'm simply restating the debt.  What you see above ^ is the kicking and screaming.  They weren't kicking and screaming while enjoying the fruits of their indebtedness.  You even hear them complaining about deadbeat dads, when they see a father who won't pay child support.  Yet, when the debt comes home to them, listen to the whine.

'Why can't the bank forget the loan?' they argue.  "I know...let's call it equality...we're all equal in our pocketbooks and purses...the slate wiped clean.  Banker!  Don't call in the debt...it's not fair, it's not equality.  You are discriminating against deadbeats, who just want to live our lives and keep the money we stole.  How unfair!  You should be happy we now recognize the iniquity of our ways when we took out the debt.  Don't ask us to repay it, FGS!  That's discrimination!''

You get the point.

That's because they don't owe anything. It's only you and your ilk who have decided that they do - based purely on the colour of their skin. That's discrimination, and it's racist.

That's another tactic that deadbeats often use: What loan... Who me? That's not my signature.

How about the Barbary slave trade, under which over 1 million white Christian Europeans were enslaved in North Africa until the middle of the 18th century?



Shhhhhh!!!
Are we allowed to mention that???

This concept of white people owing black people something is completely absurd. The black people of today were not slaves, and the white people of today didn't enslave anyone.

Try telling a white person who had no money until they got a job and earned it that they "stole" that money, and they'll laugh in your face. Then tell them that he or she should personally pay the black man down the road compensation because one of his ancestors might have been discriminated against by someone who happened to also be white, and they'd laugh even more. Then they'd rightly tell you to fuck off.

What is wrong with these weirdos like Quill?

eddie wrote:How about the Barbary slave trade, under which over 1 million white Christian Europeans were enslaved in North Africa until the middle of the 18th century?



Shhhhhh!!!
Are we allowed to mention that???

Post curtesy of my BIG BLACK FRIEND

(She wants to know what you're actually hiding quill?)

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

That's because they don't owe anything. It's only you and your ilk who have decided that they do - based purely on the colour of their skin. That's discrimination, and it's racist.

That's another tactic that deadbeats often use: What loan...  Who me?     That's not my signature.    

It's a loan which you have invented and are fraudulently trying to claw back, along with interest. You probably forged the signature.

You're so dishonest Quill.

Original Quill wrote:

eddie wrote:No one is disputing how blacks are treated in certain parts of the U.S.

But quill, quite actively, derides and mocks while people??!!

Can you not see that, that behaviour towards white people (and most of us aren't racist on here) is just as bad as the way the KKK look down upon blacks???

Quill is a racist. I don't ever use that word lightly either.
Quite frankly, he's more racist than Tommy comes across because as least Tommy owns it.
Closet racists are the worst.

And yep, I think quill is a black man with a big fucking chip on his shoulders.

This is what DENIAL looks like. ^ I do not deride white people, nor do wish to put them into slavery as did your ancestors.

I simply advocate standing by the human contract that whites made.  They took out a loan by enslaving black people.  Now, comes the payback.  Then need to give back everything they took, with interest.

Every deadbeat kicks and screams when the banker calls the note.  I'm simply restating the debt.  What you see above ^ is the kicking and screaming.  They weren't kicking and screaming while enjoying the fruits of their indebtedness.  You even hear them complaining about deadbeat dads, when they see a father who won't pay child support.  Yet, when the debt comes home to them, listen to the whine.

'Why can't the bank forget the loan?' they argue.  "I know...let's call it equality...we're all equal in our pocketbooks and purses...the slate wiped clean.  Banker!  Don't call in the debt...it's not fair, it's not equality.  You are discriminating against deadbeats, who just want to live our lives and keep the money we stole.  How unfair!  You should be happy we now recognize the iniquity of our ways when we took out the debt.  Don't ask us to repay it, FGS!  That's discrimination!''

You get the point.

This is the year 2015. As a white woman, I owe nobody nothing from years gone by since my ancestors That will be all, thank you very much.

Original Quill wrote:

Christie wrote:

Quill, are you a black man?

No.  My photograph is at the top of my post, to the left.

Heck, I thought it was maybe a photo of your favourite author or something.

eddie wrote:How about the Barbary slave trade, under which over 1 million white Christian Europeans were enslaved in North Africa until the middle of the 18th century?



Shhhhhh!!!
Are we allowed to mention that???

Eddie I'll give odds of 2/1 that Quill will ignore your post.

And I'll give 1/1 that he'll come up with a smoke screen answer.

Cuchulain wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

You can only show it's invalid if one has the courage to discuss it without getting emotional and shutting the other person into silence. That's not rational.

And FYI - there is scientific evidence why some people are racist and irrational.  Look it up.

Oh dear, there is evidence for prejudice in some people, more so in those RW and not specifically racism. Of which I have read the study which if you had you would not have made such a clanger.
I am happy to discuss which often happens on  here but the fact of the matter is racism is just a belief and beliefs that effect the well being and equality of others break the golden rule.
The point is you can as stated rubbish racism from the off, as there s no biological bases for this. Are you saying its wrong to do that and allow a person to wrongly believe or not point this out from the start?

No. I'm saying racist opinions should not be dismissed and swept under the carpet.

They have validity because it exists. Irrational though it may be, so call intelligent people (as you claim to be) should not be afraid to discuss it rationally.

Instead we have a PC society which just shouts them down in ridicule. I find that equally irrational. I'd rather discuss rationally.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


Oh dear, there is evidence for prejudice in some people, more so in those RW and not specifically racism. Of which I have read the study which if you had you would not have made such a clanger.
I am happy to discuss which often happens on  here but the fact of the matter is racism is just a belief and beliefs that effect the well being and equality of others break the golden rule.
The point is you can as stated rubbish racism from the off, as there s no biological bases for this. Are you saying its wrong to do that and allow a person to wrongly believe or not point this out from the start?

No. I'm saying racist opinions should not be dismissed and swept under the carpet.

They have validity because it exists. Irrational though it may be, so call intelligent people (as you claim to be) should not be afraid to discuss it rationally.

Instead we have a PC society which just shouts them down in ridicule. I find that equally irrational. I'd rather discuss rationally.  

Zack do you really expect the idiot to understand the rational explanation that you have given?

Shady wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

No. I'm saying racist opinions should not be dismissed and swept under the carpet.

They have validity because it exists. Irrational though it may be, so call intelligent people (as you claim to be) should not be afraid to discuss it rationally.

Instead we have a PC society which just shouts them down in ridicule. I find that equally irrational. I'd rather discuss rationally.  

Zack do you really expect the idiot to understand the  rational explanation that you have given?

I like to give everyone the benefit of the doubt Shady.

But we're talking about Didge. So I expect him to tell me how intelligent he is, how stupid I am and then dismissing everything I just said.

Inadvertently proving my point. ;-)

Raggamuffin wrote:All the stuff that Quill comes out with isn't original you know. Don't mistake him for some kind of "intellectual" because he didn't come up with this stuff himself. Someone else did, and he blindly took it on as well. He can't think outside of the box either.

I have never claimed to be original in this. As Dr. Martin Luther King said in his 1963 speech "I Have a Dream":

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. wrote:In a sense, we have come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir.

This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked "insufficient funds." But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. So we have come to cash this check — a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice.

This discussion is decades old, yet I bet you have never listened. A thief still wants the jewels. A deadbeat still wants to pocket the money, yet be free of the debt.

We don't need to be original. And the debt isn't about Quill. It's about you.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:All the stuff that Quill comes out with isn't original you know. Don't mistake him for some kind of "intellectual" because he didn't come up with this stuff himself. Someone else did, and he blindly took it on as well. He can't think outside of the box either.

I have never claimed to be original in this.  As Dr. Martin Luther King said in his 1963 speech "I Have a Dream":

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. wrote:In a sense, we have come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir.

This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked "insufficient funds." But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. So we have come to cash this check — a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice.

This discussion is decades old, yet I bet you have never listened.  A thief still wants the jewels.  A deadbeat still wants to pocket the money, yet be free of the debt.

We don't need to be original.  And the debt isn't about Quill.  It's about you.

Because I'm white? You want to steal from me under some kind of fraudulent claim that I'm responsible for some wrongdoing - purely because of the colour of my skin. That makes you the thief, and a racist one.

You are the first to complain when a black person is accused of wrongdoing, and yet you sit here falsely accusing white people.