don't let them back in the country!!!

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they made their bed let them lie on it.

Raggamuffin wrote:

risingsun wrote:

Now you are just being silly, really.   It's against the law to be a paedophile as well.   And we recognise children can be groomed and that they are vunerable to it.   Once again, nobody has suggested they shouldn't be under surveillance.  

This is nothing to do with paedophiles whatsoever. Why are you introducing this red herring?

Do you think that these girls should have the internet taken away from them, or have their online activities monitored in case they get "groomed" again? Do you also think they could have been "groomed" by ISIS to come back here and pretend to be disillusioned?

This is about national security and the safety of our citizens. We can't afford to get all sentimental over a few girls who are actually old enough to commit a crime and who actively went to support murderers and extremists. If they're capable of going all that way to marry some disgusting terrorist, they should be treated with great suspicion for a very long time, and not treated as victims.

well said raggs it has nothing to do with peado's and everything to do with more and more radicalisation of young people...

Raggamuffin wrote:Furthermore, would you say the same thing about teenage boys who go out to join ISIS?

With all crimes, it is the criminal – not their community – who is responsible. In 1974, the IRA murdered my father’s cousin. He had been working with my father as a caterer for the British Army in Northern Ireland. They dragged him into a van and shot him in the head at close range in front of another cousin, who they released to send a message to my family that they should stop offering services to the army. Despite their horrific intentions, my family could not allow the terrorists’ plans to succeed; and my father stayed for another 10 years. But we never blamed Irish Catholics for the murder of our family member.

I kept this in mind when I prosecuted the sexual grooming cases in Rochdale in 2012. As chief crown prosecutor, I could not say what I wanted to about terrorism, but I stepped down last Tuesday because I would rather work for an organisation that prevents harm from happening in the first place. And I see parallels between radicalisation and sexual grooming.

Young people are easily led. With sexual grooming, the perpetrators take those who feel unwanted and unloved, manipulate them, then abuse them. With radicalisation, it’s the same; perpetrators take teenagers who feel misunderstood, show them propaganda about a better world and a better life, and distance them from their family and friends. Then they take them.

Radicalisation is more complicated than people would like to think. Partly it is about a growing communication gap between parents and children. In some communities this might lead to drinking or drug-taking – but with Muslim communities, at the moment, this desire for escapism can allow our young people to be manipulated.

I have met parents who say, “I am so happy my children don’t go out. They aren’t off with boyfriends or girlfriends, they aren’t clubbing or taking drugs – they are upstairs, online.” For the parents, that is their job done. They don’t think about what they are doing on the internet.

I am very concerned about the deficit in leadership in our community. I see old men – like me – from middle-class backgrounds representing Muslim communities that are invariably young (48% of British Muslims are under 25), majority female and from low-income backgrounds. They don’t understand what they are dealing with. Those young people are looking for something else, something better, and unless we provide that they will be taken. But what do we offer? Too often our community climbs the ladder and then pulls it up behind us. As the former chair of the charity Mosaic, which does a lot of mentoring, I have noticed that the only lawyers the young people in these areas see are on TV, and the only doctors they know are the ones who treat them.

When anyone asks about multicultural society, I say a rights-based society is more important.

With women and girls, we tell them to work hard in school, but then marry them off when they finish. We deny them the right to marry who they want and when they want, and then deny them the right to leave if they are abused, in case it damages the family’s honour. We have to stand up for the rights of young people because, if we infringe them, they will look for something better.

Those who are radicalised are made to believe they are hated here in the UK, but while hate crime does exist, it is a minority sport. I’ve seen it – after Rochdale, I got 17,000 emails and letters from the far right, calling for me to be sacked and deported; I had an EDL demonstration at the top of my street and a police presence outside my house; I was doorstepped by Nick Griffin. No one should be punished for their identity – but we have to focus on our strengths and not let the things that are done to us define that identity. We should be promoting our successes and nuturing leadership; we should support those climbing the ladder.

The government programmes to counter radicalisation, such as Channel and Prevent, are stale. And how can we say they work when 600 people have gone to Syria? They have a bad reputation; young people care about reputations. The vast majority of people I work with involved in the schemes believe they have passed their sell-by date. For the people they are meant to engage with, their eyes glaze over as soon as Channel or Prevent are mentioned.

The problem is that these programmes are seen as government-led rather than community-led; they are top-down rather than bottom-up. As such, suspicions arise as to their motives. The first defence of any child is the parents – no parent wants to see their child be whisked away – but these programmes are rarely seen as working with families or communities. As a result, rather than schemes that are in place to help families, they are perceived as a stick to beat them with; a policing tool.

We need to bring in different faces and organisations. There are plenty of people who have had a brush with extremists, been tempted by the dark side, but stepped back – they would better understand the young who are currently being targeted. We have to be cleverer and start funding grassroots activists who make a difference, not just people who can put together a 50-page business plan.

On my mother’s street in Birmingham, there is a woman who everyone calls “Auntyji”; she may not be anyone’s aunty, but all the young girls know they can go to her if they want to chat or need pastoral care. The state should be saying that the organisations it funds in this arena are at least 25% women, with a plan to be at least 50% in three years. If you look at forced marriage and child sexual abuse, the best work is done by women: survivors who go into their schools and tell girls about their rights.

We need to have challenging conversations within the community, too. When I mention to community leaders that one in nine prisoners is Muslim, and the majority are in there for drug offences, they turn the other cheek. Our young people, our women and our poor need better leadership.

As told to Homa Khaleeli

http://www.theguardian.com/global/2015/apr/08/nazir-afzal-young-people-anti-radicalisation-government-isis

They are now terrorists, exactly the same terrorists as those they went to join.


In fact they are potentially more dangerous as they are seeking to enter the UK and in all likelyhood have been trained And instructed to carry out terrorist attacks here.


Or do some here really think that after all this time imbedded with their strictly Islamic ISIS husbands as chattels, that they all suddenly woke up one day and decided that it wasn't for them, they didn't believe the version of Islam that the rest of ISIS believe, then after telling their ISIS husbands this apostasy, and announcing their intentions to leave, that they were firstly not themselves killed, secondly this was actually accepted in a reasonable way, and thirdly they were not only free to leave but actually helped to freedom, ie their choice to leave the land of perfect Islam to instead live among the infidels in UK was just happily accepted and permitted...!!!???



If You seriously think they just chose to leave and this was ok and they don't have some ulterior motive then you are mental!!!!

So you obviously think children who are groomed by paedophiles 'chose' to be abused. How revolting you are.

Tommy Monk wrote:

They are now terrorists, exactly the same terrorists as those they went to join.


In fact they are potentially more dangerous as they are seeking to enter the UK and in all likelyhood have been trained And instructed to carry out terrorist attacks here.


Or do some here really think that after all this time imbedded with their strictly Islamic ISIS husbands as chattels, that they all suddenly woke up one day and decided that it wasn't for them, they didn't believe the version of Islam that the rest of ISIS believe, then after telling their ISIS husbands this apostasy, and announcing their intentions to leave, that they were firstly not themselves killed, secondly this was actually accepted in a reasonable way, and thirdly they were not only free to leave but actually helped to freedom, ie their choice to leave the land of perfect Islam to instead live among the infidels in UK was just happily accepted and permitted...!!!???



If You seriously think they just chose to leave and this was ok and they don't have some ulterior motive then you are mental!!!!

So why have we not jailed all those involved in terrorism with the IRA since the ceasefire then Tommy?

How about the Hitler youth, were they not indoctrinated and do you feel, they should be locked up for life after the war?

You have a very short sighted view of radicalisation itself where again these girls are vunerable to grooming which if they were white, you would be screaming from the roof tops due to the exploitation. However when they are Muslims, where they are groomed and as vunerable and feeling left out of society, you completely contradict yourself and thus by doing so actually excusing those who groom.

I find it extraordinary that some people actually excuse what these girls have done.

Even if they say they are sorry, the risk is that they are lying and, as Tommy said, they may well have been instructed by ISIS.

These girls went out to support the murderers of other Muslims - does that not strike anyone as a bit off?

I find it extraordinary that people can't recognise that children are vunerable to grooming, and paedophiles aren't the only ones who groom.

Tommy Monk wrote:

They are now terrorists, exactly the same terrorists as those they went to join.


In fact they are potentially more dangerous as they are seeking to enter the UK and in all likelyhood have been trained And instructed to carry out terrorist attacks here.


Or do some here really think that after all this time imbedded with their strictly Islamic ISIS husbands as chattels, that they all suddenly woke up one day and decided that it wasn't for them, they didn't believe the version of Islam that the rest of ISIS believe, then after telling their ISIS husbands this apostasy, and announcing their intentions to leave, that they were firstly not themselves killed, secondly this was actually accepted in a reasonable way, and thirdly they were not only free to leave but actually helped to freedom, ie their choice to leave the land of perfect Islam to instead live among the infidels in UK was just happily accepted and permitted...!!!???



If You seriously think they just chose to leave and this was ok and they don't have some ulterior motive then you are mental!!!!

well said, I am pretty sure that Isis don't let people walk in and walk out whenever they feel like it, If they left without Isis knowing then the group is a joke, which I also doubt, the only reasonable conclusion is that they are coming back with an agenda either to perform acts of terrorism or to assist others to do the same.

Raggamuffin wrote:I find it extraordinary that some people actually excuse what these girls have done.

Even if they say they are sorry, the risk is that they are lying and, as Tommy said, they may well have been instructed by ISIS.

These girls went out to support the murderers of other Muslims - does that not strike anyone as a bit off?

What ia amasing is many of the same methods are used to groom these Muslim girls and yet you would class non-Muslims groom as victims, but these girls as their own fault.
It shows how utterly illogical you are and again making it now exceptable to groom young girls by your illogical beliefs

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:

They are now terrorists, exactly the same terrorists as those they went to join.


In fact they are potentially more dangerous as they are seeking to enter the UK and in all likelyhood have been trained And instructed to carry out terrorist attacks here.


Or do some here really think that after all this time imbedded with their strictly Islamic ISIS husbands as chattels, that they all suddenly woke up one day and decided that it wasn't for them, they didn't believe the version of Islam that the rest of ISIS believe, then after telling their ISIS husbands this apostasy, and announcing their intentions to leave, that they were firstly not themselves killed, secondly this was actually accepted in a reasonable way, and thirdly they were not only free to leave but actually helped to freedom, ie their choice to leave the land of perfect Islam to instead live among the infidels in UK was just happily accepted and permitted...!!!???



If You seriously think they just chose to leave and this was ok and they don't have some ulterior motive then you are mental!!!!

well said, I am pretty sure that Isis don't let people walk in and walk out whenever they feel like it, If they left without Isis knowing then the group is a joke, which I also doubt, the only reasonable conclusion is that they are coming back with an agenda either to perform acts of terrorism or to assist others to do the same.

So another one that thinks its acceptable to groom young girls.
Do you understand anything about the victims of grooming?
Seriously, because you seem utterly ignorant as to the methodology used.

All this guff about being "groomed" to support ISIS is awful. Being "easily led" is one thing if it just means climbing your neighbour's fence and scrumping a few apples, but these girls went all the way to Syria to support a terrorist group. If they're the ones from that school in Bethnal Green, they planned the trip in advance - they weren't kidnapped or anything.

Whilst we're at it, I hope the father of one of them is being closely watched after he claimed that he was "tricked" into supporting an extremist rally.

Raggamuffin wrote:All this guff about being "groomed" to support ISIS is awful. Being "easily led" is one thing if it just means climbing your neighbour's fence and scrumping a few apples, but these girls went all the way to Syria to support a terrorist group. If they're the ones from that school in Bethnal Green, they planned the trip in advance - they weren't kidnapped or anything.

Whilst we're at it, I hope the father of one of them is being closely watched after he claimed that he was "tricked" into supporting an extremist rally.

So you are basically saying victims of grooming is their own fault, because they should realise they are being used for sex?
Seriously that is your illogical argument here.

Oh dear, so the girls and boys who are used and abused by paedophiles are just 'easily led' and should be blamed for their abuse?

risingsun wrote:Oh dear, so the girls and boys who are used and abused by paedophiles are just 'easily led' and should be blamed for their abuse?

The contradictions by the far right here is quite shocking

Do some here really think that after all this time imbedded with their strictly Islamic ISIS husbands as chattels, that they all suddenly woke up one day and decided that it wasn't for them, they didn't believe the version of Islam that the rest of ISIS believe, then after telling their ISIS husbands this apostasy, and announcing their intentions to leave, that they were firstly not themselves killed, secondly this was actually accepted in a reasonable way, and thirdly they were not only free to leave but actually helped to freedom, ie their choice to leave the land of perfect Islam to instead live among the infidels in UK was just happily accepted and permitted...!!!???

loving the peado smoke screen, they were old enough to leave the country, they chose to leave the country, they chose to join a terrorist group.

do you believe that isis is so dumb as to let three unknown girls wander in to their group for a few weeks, check it out then just walk back out and fly home.

actually that is a slightly loaded question as they are dumb enough to blow themselves up for 72 raisins..

These girls weren't checking out a new uni to attend they were joining a crazy terrorist gang.

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:loving the peado smoke screen, they were old enough to leave the country, they chose to leave the country, they chose to join a terrorist group.

do you believe that isis is so dumb as to let three unknown girls wander in to their group for a few weeks, check it out then just walk back out and fly home.

actually that is a slightly loaded question as they are dumb enough to blow themselves up for 72 raisins..

These girls weren't checking out a new uni to attend they were joining a crazy terrorist gang.

Still clueless I see, so lets dumb this down.

How and why do the victims of grooming fall prey to the methods used?

Tommy Monk wrote:


Do some here really think that after all this time imbedded with their strictly Islamic ISIS husbands as chattels, that they all suddenly woke up one day and decided that it wasn't for them, they didn't believe the version of Islam that the rest of ISIS believe, then after telling their ISIS husbands this apostasy, and announcing their intentions to leave, that they were firstly not themselves killed, secondly this was actually accepted in a reasonable way, and thirdly they were not only free to leave but actually helped to freedom, ie their choice to leave the land of perfect Islam to instead live among the infidels in UK was just happily accepted and permitted...!!!???

Still clueless I see, so lets dumb this down.

How and why do the victims of grooming fall prey to the methods used?

Nemesis wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:loving the peado smoke screen, they were old enough to leave the country, they chose to leave the country, they chose to join a terrorist group.

do you believe that isis is so dumb as to let three unknown girls wander in to their group for a few weeks, check it out then just walk back out and fly home.

actually that is a slightly loaded question as they are dumb enough to blow themselves up for 72 raisins..

These girls weren't checking out a new uni to attend they were joining a crazy terrorist gang.

Still clueless I see, so lets dumb this down.

How and why do the victims of grooming fall prey to the methods used?

what on earth has that got to do with three girls going to join a terrorist gang??

They would not be allowed to leave freely.


They are trying to come back to commit terrorist activities.

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Nemesis wrote:

Still clueless I see, so lets dumb this down.

How and why do the victims of grooming fall prey to the methods used?

what on earth has that got to do with three girls going to join a terrorist gang??

Everything, so answer the question, if as ytou seem to thing you are so clued up here.

How and why do the victims of grooming fall prey to the methods used?

Tommy Monk wrote:They would not be allowed to leave freely.


They are trying to come back to commit terrorist activities.

Try again

How and why do the victims of grooming fall prey to the methods used?

They would not be allowed to leave freely.


They are trying to come back to commit terrorist activities.

Tommy Monk wrote:They would not be allowed to leave freely.


They are trying to come back to commit terrorist activities.

Try again:

How and why do the victims of grooming fall prey to the methods used?

Tommy Monk wrote:They would not be allowed to leave freely.


They are trying to come back to commit terrorist activities.

It's possible, which is why they must not be treated as victims. They need to be monitored very carefully, and not just for a few months until they "go off the radar" - that's what happened in France before those cartoonists were killed.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:They would not be allowed to leave freely.


They are trying to come back to commit terrorist activities.

It's possible, which is why they must not be treated as victims. They need to be monitored very carefully, and not just for a few months until they "go off the radar" - that's what happened in France before those cartoonists were killed.

So by this you do not believe that girls should be classed as victims to grooming.

Same question

How and why do the victims of grooming fall prey to the methods used?

The jihadi girls who went to Syria weren't just radicalised by Isis — they were groomed:

Young Muslims are deliberately targeted online and used to entice foreign fighters

Around 60 women and girls are estimated to have left the UK to join Isis so far. The latest female recruits are three girls from Bethnal Green: Kadiza Sultana, Amira Abase and Shamima Begum. Responding to their departure, some voices in the media have argued that we should show no sympathy to them, and instead to just “let them go”, despite their age and naivety.

Such an argument ignores two points. First, it ignores the fact that we are not talking about adults – Shamima Begum is just 15-years-old, the same age as Yusra Hussein, who fled in October. But it also shows a complete lack of understanding of the actual process employed by Isis in targeting girls.


http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-jihadi-girls-who-went-to-syria-werent-just-radicalised-by-isis--they-were-groomed-10069109.html

I suggest a few here read and learn because if they think these girls are not victims, then they do not think any girls groomed are victims.

What if these girls were 18? Would they be excused then? One of the bombers who murdered people in the 7/7 bombings was 18. I suppose some would say he was "groomed" by an older man to become a terrorist and a murderer. I have no doubt that he was younger than that when he first decided to sympathise with extremists and support them.

Once out there they would not be allowed to leave freely...

Raggamuffin wrote:What if these girls were 18? Would they be excused then? One of the bombers who murdered people in the 7/7 bombings was 18. I suppose some would say he was "groomed" by an older man to become a terrorist and a murderer. I have no doubt that he was younger than that when he first decided to sympathise with extremists and support them.

You are still not grasping this but at least I know you are reading my replies.


As we all know, these girls have been radicalised. But what many don't seem to appreciate is that they have also been groomed. And understanding how this works is essential to understanding why we shouldn't give up on these teenagers. As director of Inspire, my work includes looking at the nexus between extremism and women's rights. Seeing young girls groomed in this way is not all too surprising grooms these girls for sex, “legitimising” it as “marriage”. Take the case of 15-year-old Yusra Hussein. It is alleged that she was groomed through a Twitter account called Jihad Matchmaker, which promises to “link up those seeking marriage in Syria”. Using religious language as a smokescreen, and with promises of strict religious ceremonies, it claims it will “keep it halal”. Yusra is now in Syria, and two weeks ago it was reported she had “married” a jihadi.

Isis deliberately targets these girls as a recruitment tool for jihadis, using them as a reward to entice and recruit foreign fighters. The promise of girls has been shown to be an additional motivating factor for some jihadis, who pose an immense threat to many of the women they encounter. Amnesty International and the UN have highlighted how thousands of Yazidi women and girls have been brutally raped by them.

Tommy Monk wrote:Once out there they would not be allowed to leave freely...

So your argument is once a girl has been groomed and sneak out going to where they are, they should never be allowed to leave freely again then?

ISIS would not let them leave unless they had instructions to carry on with terrorist plots here.

Tommy Monk wrote:ISIS would not let them leave unless they had instructions to carry on with terrorist plots here.

Do groomers freely allow their victims to ever leave?
Do they not also use fear of violence to them and their fasmily if they speak out against them?
How is this any different, except where the groomers are?
Many are groomed to just be sexual slaves as wives not even terrorists.
So again:

How and why do the victims of grooming fall prey to the methods used?

One of them posted on Twitter not long back - she's apparently enjoying life out there and eating takeaways, whilst all around her ISIS murder and terrorise people.

Some "victim" huh?

Raggamuffin wrote:One of them posted on Twitter not long back - she's apparently enjoying life out there and eating takeaways, whilst all around her ISIS murder and terrorise people.

Some "victim" huh?

Which shows you understand very little about indococtrination.

So lets dumb this down for you.

What do you understand about Waco?

What do you understand about women in the  Branch Davidians?

How about those in the Manson family?

Tommy Monk wrote:ISIS would not let them leave unless they had instructions to carry on with terrorist plots here.

According to the chap who reported they had escaped, ISIS are looking for them.

At least I know Rags is reading my replies now.

So again and this is very good example here.

What do you understand about Waco?

What do you understand about women and girls in the Branch Davidians?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Shady wrote:

Going to live with & supporting ISIS whilst knowing what that organization is doing is more than a huge mistake.In fact,it wasn't a mistake at all & was a planned,deliberate decision made by people who had access to all they needed to know about a murderous group.

It's not as if they were 4 year olds.

They knew what they were doing was wrong but they still went ahead  and they knew they were running away to join ISIS...... Not the circus.

And now ... ?

And now...? What Ben? What about now?

Are you suggesting that they are somehow better people now? Maybe you are suggesting they are a little less dangerous now?

Why should the UK risk having such unstable dangerous people in its midst?

Get real Ben.It's a hard life but those girls (if they are the pretend British girls) were living in a nation where hey could lead a decent & prosperous life & achieve their dreams.

And what did they do? They stuck their fingers up to the British people & British way of life for the murderous hell of ISIS.

As you Americans say......Go figure.

These girls chose to contact the ISIS, they chose to travel out there knowing full well what they were all about.


Now they have been out there for as long as they have, they will not all of a sudden just be free to leave.


Unless they had other plans to carry out terrorist attacks here.

Shady wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

And now ... ?

And now...? What Ben? What about now?

Are you suggesting that they are somehow better people now? Maybe you are suggesting they are a little less dangerous now?

Why should the UK risk having such unstable dangerous people in its midst?

Get real Ben.It's a hard life but those girls (if they are the pretend British girls) were living in a nation where hey could lead a decent & prosperous life & achieve their dreams.

And what did they do? They stuck their fingers up to the British people & British way of life for the murderous hell of ISIS.

As you Americans say......Go figure.

Another one that is clueless it seems to grooming and indoctrination, which is odd being as he has actually been out there.

So to help Shady learn something he clearly does not understand, lets ask him is girls as young as 12 abused sexually by David Koresh were not victims of grooming and indoctrination?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:ISIS would not let them leave unless they had instructions to carry on with terrorist plots here.

According to the chap who reported they had escaped, ISIS are looking for them.

Yeah, right!!!


Don't believe that for a minute...



They would not be free to leave as we all know so a convenient escape story is required... and of course the whole of ISIS is looking for them...

Tommy Monk wrote:These girls chose to contact the ISIS, they chose to travel out there knowing full well what they were all about.


Now they have been out there for as long as they have, they will not all of a sudden just be free to leave.


Unless they had other plans to carry out terrorist attacks here.

Which goes back to my point in regards to do you understand had victims of grooming contact groomers online? You do realise many of the Muslims Girls are contacted?
Victims of groomers choose to travel to meet them also and go through countless abuse and still go back.
So basically again Tommy is saying victims of grooming should have no sympathy.

Tommy Monk wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

According to the chap who reported they had escaped, ISIS are looking for them.

Yeah, right!!!


Don't believe that for a minute...



They would not be free to leave as we all know so a convenient escape story is required... and of course the whole of ISIS is looking for them...

Based on what?

How many attacks have occured from those who have fled ISIS in the west?

Nothing to do with waco dodge... stop trying to conflate completely different situations.

Tommy Monk wrote:Nothing to do with waco dodge... stop trying to conflate completely different situations.

It shows how limited your brain fucntions as it has similar connections.

Did Koresh have sex with girls as young as 12?

Did he indoctrinate them and groom them?

It seems your ability to understand anything is poor to say the least

Tommy Monk wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

According to the chap who reported they had escaped, ISIS are looking for them.

Yeah, right!!!


Don't believe that for a minute...



They would not be free to leave as we all know so a convenient escape story is required... and of course the whole of ISIS is looking for them...

They were allegedly in Mosul, which is held by ISIS. It's not known if it's even true, and it's not known who this blogger is. He is reportedly opposed to ISIS, but who knows?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:



Yeah, right!!!


Don't believe that for a minute...



They would not be free to leave as we all know so a convenient escape story is required... and of course the whole of ISIS is looking for them...

They were allegedly in Mosul, which is held by ISIS. It's not known if it's even true, and it's not known who this blogger is. He is reportedly opposed to ISIS, but who knows?

Again how many of those who have fled ISIS nhave committed a terrorist attack in the west?

Nemesis wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Nothing to do with waco dodge... stop trying to conflate completely different situations.

It shows how limited your brain fucntions as it has similar connections.

Did Koresh have sex with girls as young as 12?

Did he indoctrinate them and groom them?

It seems your ability to understand anything is poor to say the least

Irrelevant...

Tommy Monk wrote:

Nemesis wrote:

It shows how limited your brain fucntions as it has similar connections.

Did Koresh have sex with girls as young as 12?

Did he indoctrinate them and groom them?

It seems your ability to understand anything is poor to say the least

Irrelevant...

So you are saying also these young girls were not victims then to abuse by Koresh?

I know why you are flapping are trying to run Tommy because the evidence is mounting againts you, hence you left with out any counter


This is why people like you Tommy are uttely clueless.

Anyway, as per usual many points have been addressed to you Tommy and others as well questions and they remain unanswered as per usual.

Why, because you have not a scobby doo.

Laters