don't let them back in the country!!!

First topic message reminder :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3078579/Three-British-teenage-Jihadi-brides-married-militants-Iraq-run-Isis-escaping.html

they made their bed let them lie on it.

Nemesis wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


Irrelevant...

So you are saying also these young girls were not victims then to abuse by Koresh?

I know why you are flapping are trying to run Tommy because the evidence is mounting againts you, hence you left with out any counter


This is why people like you Tommy are uttely clueless.

Irrelevant...


Stop trying to conflate entirely different topics dodge.

Tommy Monk wrote:

Nemesis wrote:

So you are saying also these young girls were not victims then to abuse by Koresh?

I know why you are flapping are trying to run Tommy because the evidence is mounting againts you, hence you left with out any counter


This is why people like you Tommy are uttely clueless.

Irrelevant...


Stop trying to conflate entirely different topics dodge.

Actually it has every relevance and shows why you are quite the thicky, based on methodology and indoctrination.
So it seems you are now so scared of this you are even attempting to order me not to show up your stupidity.
Run along little boy as per usual you know very little

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3078579/Three-British-teenage-Jihadi-brides-married-militants-Iraq-run-Isis-escaping.html

they made their bed let them lie on it.

this is why all Daesh members and supporters should be hunted down and killed. there should be no negotiations and no surrender to them.

do not look if you have a weak stomach:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/05/horror-kurdish-fighters-find-image-of-baby-girl-being-beheaded-by-isis-terrorists/

if you are not horrified by that picture then you are part of the problem

I hope those girls are found by daesh and made to suffer. They are all beyond the pale and no amount of left wing hand wringing can excuse anything that Daesh espouses or does.
If you join them, then you are no longer part of the civilised world.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3078579/Three-British-teenage-Jihadi-brides-married-militants-Iraq-run-Isis-escaping.html

they made their bed let them lie on it.

They're 16 -- that's a pretty cold thing to say about kids.

they are old enough to join terrorists they are old enough to suffer the consequences. No amount of politically correct hand wringing will ever excuse what daesh are doing.

The Devil, You Know wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3078579/Three-British-teenage-Jihadi-brides-married-militants-Iraq-run-Isis-escaping.html

they made their bed let them lie on it.

this is why all Daesh members and supporters should be hunted down and killed. there should be no negotiations and no surrender to them.

do not look if you have a weak stomach:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/05/horror-kurdish-fighters-find-image-of-baby-girl-being-beheaded-by-isis-terrorists/

if you are not horrified by that picture then you are part of the problem

I hope those girls are found by daesh and made to suffer. They are all beyond the pale and no amount of left wing hand wringing can excuse anything that Daesh espouses or does.
If you join them, then you are no longer part of the civilised world.

Everyone is horrified by such pictures and why such girls have fled.
So thanks for actually making the point clearer for people.
So you want girls to suffer as victims as well for being groomed by them which makes no sense at all.
So any girl that is groomed is no longer part of the civilized world according to you?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
they chose to leave they even sneaked away, they knew exactly what they were doing.

You didn't make any bad choices at 16? They've obviously realized they made a huge mistake.

I know so far in america Daesh have only tried to kill people that the left despise, but it will not stop there. eventually they will manage to slaughter innocent people you may feel some sympathy for.

do not feed the crocodile hoping it will eat you last

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

They're 16 -- that's a pretty cold thing to say about kids.

they are old enough to join terrorists they are old enough to suffer the consequences. No amount of politically correct hand wringing will ever excuse what daesh are doing.

So by your reasoning, if girls are old enough to be groomed they are old enougfh to suffer then.
Has fuck all to do with PC but understanding the methodology that ISIS are using to groom young vunerable Muslim Girls.
Which is apparant that you know very little about

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

You didn't make any bad choices at 16? They've obviously realized they made a huge mistake.

Nevertheless, they committed a criminal act, and should be subject to the law if they return to the UK.

they should not be allowed to return. the law needs changing to deal with this specific threat

risingsun wrote:Amazing.  These girls were under sixteen and they were groomed on line.  Now, if a paedophile had groomed them, everyone would have recognised them as being children and victims and all that that implies.  But through the words 'Muslim' and 'terrorists' into the mix and the blinds come down.  Only a fool would say they should not be kept under surveillance, but these were children, no matter what they did and no matter how grown up they looked.  

Sometimes, the depths of people's hatred shocks me.

if a paedophile had groomed them to join a murderous organisation that hacks the heads off babys then yes they would not be seen as victims, but willing accomplices. But that is not what happened. they went of their own free will to join mass murderers,.
those that try to excuse them are as much a part of the problem as those who want to kill us all.

risingsun wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

It's not the same thing Sassy.

Just as an aside, a paedophile is attracted to prepubescent children, not merely girls under the age of 16.

Anyway, they have broken the law themselves, whereas being groomed by a paedophile is not against the law. They made a choice to go to Syria, and we don't know that they were "groomed" at all. In any case, being "groomed" is not an excuse to break the law and hook up with murderers and terrorists. They're not babies, they are capable of making their own minds up.

There is a lot at stake here - the safety of citizens of the UK, and that comes before any daft posturing about these girls being "children".

It's exactly the same thing, doesn't matter what they were groomed for, they were groomed, and in any other situation they would be seen as victims, but mention ISIS and people's judgement goes out the window.

so by your logic the killers of lee rigby are the real victims as they were also groomed to kill and hate.

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Nevertheless, they committed a criminal act, and should be subject to the law if they return to the UK.

they should not be allowed to return. the law needs changing to deal with this specific threat

What Threat?
So young vunerable girls who have been groomed and then flee from this nightmare should then be abandoned and not allowed to return?
So any victim of grooming is to you, their own fault and thus must suffer accordingly then? If they are fleeing it is because like other girls groomed in this country, they realise they have been fooled and wish to escape the nightmare they are in and you now wish to close the door to them.

The Devil, You Know wrote:

risingsun wrote:Amazing.  These girls were under sixteen and they were groomed on line.  Now, if a paedophile had groomed them, everyone would have recognised them as being children and victims and all that that implies.  But through the words 'Muslim' and 'terrorists' into the mix and the blinds come down.  Only a fool would say they should not be kept under surveillance, but these were children, no matter what they did and no matter how grown up they looked.  

Sometimes, the depths of people's hatred shocks me.

if a paedophile had groomed them to join a murderous organisation that hacks the heads off babys then yes they would not be seen as victims, but willing accomplices. But that is not what happened. they went of their own free will to join mass murderers,.
those that try to excuse them are as much a part of the problem as those who want to kill us all.

Again failing to understand anything here are you.



So lets ask you a very simple question


Do you understand the methodology behind grooming young girls?

The Devil, You Know wrote:

risingsun wrote:

It's exactly the same thing, doesn't matter what they were groomed for, they were groomed, and in any other situation they would be seen as victims, but mention ISIS and people's judgement goes out the window.

so by your logic the killers of lee rigby are the real victims as they were also groomed to kill and hate.

Really, how do you come to that conclusion?

Theu were radicalized with hate and the reasons they committed their appalling crime was based on wrongs they claimed were done to other Muslims.
This is a bad part of the religion of Islam where it can unite Muslims under Jihad, nobody denies this, but we are talking about young girls being groomed here.

Do you understand the difference?


So again:

Do you understand the methodology behind grooming young girls?

risingsun wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

There is no comparison whatsoever. You do know that it's against the law to associate with or support ISIS here don't you?

If there is ever a terrorist attack here which is associated with ISIS, I hope you won't be so hypocritical as to sympathise with the victims.

Now you are just being silly, really.   It's against the law to be a paedophile as well.   And we recognise children can be groomed and that they are vunerable to it.   Once again, nobody has suggested they shouldn't be under surveillance.  

its not against the law for a child victim to go with a paedophile though is it. you do see the difference. Probably not.

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Nevertheless, they committed a criminal act, and should be subject to the law if they return to the UK.

they should not be allowed to return. the law needs changing to deal with this specific threat

Yes, I kind of agree, but what if they just turn up? Do they get sent back to Iraq or Syria on the next plane? They are under 18 and there's no way that they will be chucked out.

risingsun wrote:So you obviously think children who are groomed by paedophiles 'chose' to be abused.   How revolting you are.

you are the one who is trying to equate victims of paedophilia with terrorism, that is rather more revolting dont you think

Nemesis wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:

They are now terrorists, exactly the same terrorists as those they went to join.


In fact they are potentially more dangerous as they are seeking to enter the UK and in all likelyhood have been trained And instructed to carry out terrorist attacks here.


Or do some here really think that after all this time imbedded with their strictly Islamic ISIS husbands as chattels, that they all suddenly woke up one day and decided that it wasn't for them, they didn't believe the version of Islam that the rest of ISIS believe, then after telling their ISIS husbands this apostasy, and announcing their intentions to leave, that they were firstly not themselves killed, secondly this was actually accepted in a reasonable way, and thirdly they were not only free to leave but actually helped to freedom, ie their choice to leave the land of perfect Islam to instead live among the infidels in UK was just happily accepted and permitted...!!!???



If You seriously think they just chose to leave and this was ok and they don't have some ulterior motive then you are mental!!!!

So why have we not jailed all those involved in terrorism with the IRA since the ceasefire then Tommy?

How about the Hitler youth, were they not indoctrinated and do you feel, they should be locked up for life after the war?

You have a very short sighted view of radicalisation itself where again these girls are vunerable to grooming which if they were white, you would be screaming from the roof tops due to the exploitation. However when they are Muslims, where they are groomed and as vunerable and feeling left out of society, you completely contradict yourself and thus by doing so actually excusing those who groom.

because blair gave them a get out of jail free card?

Nemesis wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:All this guff about being "groomed" to support ISIS is awful. Being "easily led" is one thing if it just means climbing your neighbour's fence and scrumping a few apples, but these girls went all the way to Syria to support a terrorist group. If they're the ones from that school in Bethnal Green, they planned the trip in advance - they weren't kidnapped or anything.

Whilst we're at it, I hope the father of one of them is being closely watched after he claimed that he was "tricked" into supporting an extremist rally.

So you are basically saying victims of grooming is their own fault, because they should realise they are being used for sex?
Seriously that is your illogical argument here.

yes it is their own fault. Daesh do not just contact people at random saying come on over the waters fine. People have to seek them out

risingsun wrote:Oh dear, so the girls and boys who are used and abused by paedophiles are just 'easily led' and should be blamed for their abuse?

why do you want to equate the victims of paedophilia with terrorists, that is very very creepy

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Nemesis wrote:


So why have we not jailed all those involved in terrorism with the IRA since the ceasefire then Tommy?

How about the Hitler youth, were they not indoctrinated and do you feel, they should be locked up for life after the war?

You have a very short sighted view of radicalisation itself where again these girls are vunerable to grooming which if they were white, you would be screaming from the roof tops due to the exploitation. However when they are Muslims, where they are groomed and as vunerable and feeling left out of society, you completely contradict yourself and thus by doing so actually excusing those who groom.

because blair gave them a get out of jail free card?

Stop coming out with nonsense drinky

The Devil, You Know wrote:

risingsun wrote:

It's exactly the same thing, doesn't matter what they were groomed for, they were groomed, and in any other situation they would be seen as victims, but mention ISIS and people's judgement goes out the window.

so by your logic the killers of lee rigby are the real victims as they were also groomed to kill and hate.

She'll be saying that "Jihadi John" is a victim next.

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Nemesis wrote:

So you are basically saying victims of grooming is their own fault, because they should realise they are being used for sex?
Seriously that is your illogical argument here.

yes it is their own fault. Daesh do not just contact people at random saying come on over the waters fine. People have to seek them out

So you are saying the victims of grooming only have themselves to blame then?

Do you understand the methodology behind grooming young girls?

The Devil, You Know wrote:

risingsun wrote:Oh dear, so the girls and boys who are used and abused by paedophiles are just 'easily led' and should be blamed for their abuse?

why do you want to equate the victims of paedophilia with terrorists, that is very very creepy

These terrorists are peadophiles you do realise?
They claim it is acceptable to marry girls as young as 9.


So again

Do you understand the methodology behind grooming young girls?

Nemesis wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
this is why all Daesh members and supporters should be hunted down and killed. there should be no negotiations and no surrender to them.

do not look if you have a weak stomach:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/05/horror-kurdish-fighters-find-image-of-baby-girl-being-beheaded-by-isis-terrorists/

if you are not horrified by that picture then you are part of the problem

I hope those girls are found by daesh and made to suffer. They are all beyond the pale and no amount of left wing hand wringing can excuse anything that Daesh espouses or does.
If you join them, then you are no longer part of the civilised world.

Everyone is horrified by such pictures and why such girls have fled.
So thanks for actually making the point clearer for people.
So you want girls to suffer as victims as well for being groomed by them which makes no sense at all.
So any girl that is groomed is no longer part of the civilized world according to you?

no one knows why those girls fled. what we do know is executions in daesh held territory attract large baying crowds eager to watch the latest murder of usually innocent people.
some of those girls who have joined daesh are reported to be enthusiastic members of the religious police there , doling out their own beatings and worse.
for some reason you seem to want to excuse anything if it is done below a particular age. there is a rather gruesome video of a child aged about 12 who shoots a man right between the eyes. I am sure you would love to excuse him as well and no doubt would take him into your home and look after him.
the only way the world will be safe is when every single one of these people is dead and rotting in the ground.
Once they are radicalised it is too late to save them

ISIS are using similar online grooming tactics to paedophiles to lure western girls to their cause.
An investigation by Canadian current affairs channel Global News has revealed how the Islamic militant group attempted to entice one of the show's producers, who was posing as a 15-year-old girl on Twitter.



Mia Bloom, a professor of security studies at the University of Massachusetts who has researched the role of women in terrorism, told the National Post that ISIS are recruiting western girls using similar tactics to paedophiles who groom their victims online.
She said they build secret relationships, providing a supportive ear for any concerns the girls may have, slowly establishing trust and eventually setting up meetings offline. She said the group have even utilised dating websites, which match young women with ISIS members, and play on the "altruistic instincts" of high achievers who are led to believe they could make a difference by signing up.
She added that western women can be seen as especially valuable for the jihadi cause - "the blonder the better".
Global News says the Canadian documentary shows a Skype conversation between the pair, where the ISIS recruiter appears dressed in combat uniform and a toque hat, with an English accent, going by the name of Abu Antar.
He gives her advice on how to travel to Syria to become his wife, suggesting she tell her parents she's "going to a sleepover" and then purchase flights to Istanbul, Turkey, where a middleman will meet her.
He will then take her directly to the Syrian border, where Antar will be waiting for her on the other side.
According to the London-based Institute for Strategic Dialogue, an independent thinktank specialising in geo-strategic, social and security issues, the number of women from western countries living within ISIS controlled territory is estimated at 550.
Jon Brown, head of strategy and development at children's charity NSPCC, acknowledges "the similarities and overlaps" of people being groomed online for sexual abuse and exploitation and for the purposes of radicalisation.
"With ISIS, you often hear stories of attractive individuals being used as a way of luring in young people. That can be a feature of people being groomed online," he says.
"In our experience of young people and children being groomed for exploitation and sex abuse, abusers will often be identifying vulnerabilities. They are expert at knowing which triggers to pull to draw young people in. They are masters of deception, especially online as they can pretend to be someone they're not, promising the earth and creating false but attractive pictures for the young person involved."
Amarnath Amarasingam, an expert on foreign fighters and postdoctoral fellow at Dalhousie University, told Global News he noticed the number of females joining the group started to jump in late 2013, "once the Islamic State was kind of in its full bloom" and again in 2014 "when the caliphate was established".
He observed: "It's very easy for a young girl in Canada to set up a Twitter account, gain this kind of access to fighters overseas and be in direct communication with them very quickly."

http://europe.newsweek.com/isis-using-paedophile-grooming-tactics-lure-young-jihadi-brides-314140

Nemesis wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
they are old enough to join terrorists they are old enough to suffer the consequences. No amount of politically correct hand wringing will ever excuse what daesh are doing.

So by your reasoning, if girls are old enough to be groomed they are old enougfh to suffer then.
Has fuck all to do with PC but understanding the methodology that ISIS are using to groom young vunerable Muslim Girls.
Which is apparant that you know very little about

if they go to join a terrorist group, they are terrorists

Nemesis wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
they should not be allowed to return. the law needs changing to deal with this specific threat

What Threat?
So young vunerable girls who have been groomed and then flee from this nightmare should then be abandoned and not allowed to return?
So any victim of grooming is to you, their own fault and thus must suffer accordingly then? If they are fleeing it is because like other girls groomed in this country, they realise they have been fooled and wish to escape the nightmare they are in and you now wish to close the door to them.

the threat of trained terrorists returning to this country to train even more terrorists or to enact their own acts of terror. I would rather err on the side of caution than let a viper into my bosom

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Nemesis wrote:



Everyone is horrified by such pictures and why such girls have fled.
So thanks for actually making the point clearer for people.
So you want girls to suffer as victims as well for being groomed by them which makes no sense at all.
So any girl that is groomed is no longer part of the civilized world according to you?

no one knows why those girls fled. what we do know is executions in daesh held territory attract large baying crowds eager to watch the latest murder of usually innocent people.
some of those girls who have joined daesh are reported to be enthusiastic members of the religious police there , doling out their own beatings and worse.
for some reason you seem to want to excuse anything if it is done below a particular age. there is a rather gruesome video of a child aged about 12 who shoots a man right between the eyes. I am sure you would love to excuse him as well and no doubt would take him into your home and look after him.
the only way the world will be safe is when every single one of these people is dead and rotting in the ground.
Once they are radicalised it is too late to save them

Again you are right in why you do not understand as I am asking you a very specific question which you keep evading:

Do you understand the methodology behind grooming young girls?

So you are telling it was too late to save many young boys and girls indoctrinated into the Hitler Youth then and we should have just executed them and not try to deradicalise them then.

That is a waste of time to you?

You do realise it is such efforts that bring over former terrorists to our cause against extremism?

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Nemesis wrote:

What Threat?
So young vunerable girls who have been groomed and then flee from this nightmare should then be abandoned and not allowed to return?
So any victim of grooming is to you, their own fault and thus must suffer accordingly then? If they are fleeing it is because like other girls groomed in this country, they realise they have been fooled and wish to escape the nightmare they are in and you now wish to close the door to them.

the threat of trained terrorists returning to this country to train even more terrorists or to enact their own acts of terror. I would rather err on the side of caution than let a viper into my bosom

So any fleeing are to be taken as a threat and not instead turned to help the fight against terrorism?

Nemesis wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
if a paedophile had groomed them to join a murderous organisation that hacks the heads off babys then yes they would not be seen as victims, but willing accomplices. But that is not what happened. they went of their own free will to join mass murderers,.
those that try to excuse them are as much a part of the problem as those who want to kill us all.

Again failing to understand anything here are you.



So lets ask you a very simple question


Do you understand the methodology behind grooming young girls?

I am sure you are an expert on grooming of all varieties, but sometime the person wishes to be groomed and in the case of these ilsamic fanatics it does not take much to do so. They sought out daesh, trying to link paedophiles with terrorists is disingenuous at best, appallingly crass at worst and shows no respect at all to the real victims of grooming

Raggamuffin wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
they should not be allowed to return. the law needs changing to deal with this specific threat

Yes, I kind of agree, but what if they just turn up? Do they get sent back to Iraq or Syria on the next plane? They are under 18 and there's no way that they will be chucked out.

I would change the law so they can be refused entry. Daesh claims to be a state so send them back there.

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Nemesis wrote:

So by your reasoning, if girls are old enough to be groomed they are old enougfh to suffer then.
Has fuck all to do with PC but understanding the methodology that ISIS are using to groom young vunerable Muslim Girls.
Which is apparant that you know very little about

if they go to join a terrorist group, they are terrorists

So for example Maajid Nawaz that now fights against terrorism, should never have been allowed back in this country then?

Raggamuffin wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
so by your logic the killers of lee rigby are the real victims as they were also groomed to kill and hate.

She'll be saying that "Jihadi John" is a victim next.

Of course he is the victim, it is the lefts default setting, the perpetrator is always the bigger victim.

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Yes, I kind of agree, but what if they just turn up? Do they get sent back to Iraq or Syria on the next plane? They are under 18 and there's no way that they will be chucked out.

I would change the law so they can be refused entry. Daesh claims to be a state so send them back there.

spot on, I think they are a huge security risk now, it will send a message to anyone else who leave...

Nemesis wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:
the threat of trained terrorists returning to this country to train even more terrorists or to enact their own acts of terror. I would rather err on the side of caution than let a viper into my bosom

So any fleeing are to be taken as a threat and not instead turned to help the fight against terrorism?

unless they have useful intelligence they should be seen as a threat

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Nemesis wrote:

Again failing to understand anything here are you.



So lets ask you a very simple question


Do you understand the methodology behind grooming young girls?

I am sure you are an expert on grooming of all varieties, but sometime the person wishes to be groomed and in the case of these ilsamic fanatics it does not take much to do so. They sought out daesh, trying to link paedophiles with terrorists is disingenuous at best, appallingly crass at worst and  shows no respect at all to the real victims of grooming

Again that is ignoring the problem, because you do not wish to understand the problem. All you see is that girls have gone to join and not how or why. That is a very short sighted position and one that does not help prevent vinerable girls being groomed online. You do not have to be an expert, all you have to do is open your eyes and see what you are saying is very misguided.

The Devil, You Know wrote:

Nemesis wrote:

So any fleeing are to be taken as a threat and not instead turned to help the fight against terrorism?

unless they have useful intelligence they should be seen as a threat

So again you see no reason to deradicalize and like again we never should have bothered with those indoctrinated in the Hitler youth and we should have just executed them then?

the issue is neither grooming or peado's, the issue is young people being radicalised, if they chose to follow the isis lunatics they should immediately have their passports revoked and blocked from returning to this country...simple as that

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:the issue is neither grooming or peado's, the issue is young people being radicalised, if they chose to follow the isis lunatics they should immediately have their passports revoked and blocked from returning to this country...simple as that

You are just putting your fingers in your ears going "la la la la la la I don't want to listen" Sorry but they are being groomed, and you fial to understand why.

So again

Do you understand the methodology behind grooming young girls?

Nemesis wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:the issue is neither grooming or peado's, the issue is young people being radicalised, if they chose to follow the isis lunatics they should immediately have their passports revoked and blocked from returning to this country...simple as that

You are just putting your hands over your eyes going "la la la la la la I don't want to listen" Sorry but they are being groomed, and you fial to understand why.

So again

Do you understand the methodology behind grooming young girls?

so you are saying that isis are peado's as well as terorists... well that does fit with the koran and muhammeds habits..

they left to join a terrorist group simple as, they are not safe to let back in to the country, how do you think three girls escaped isis, it is not a play group they behead people for shits and giggles, they idea these girls walked in then walked out when they felt like it is ludicrous, if they were groomed how did they escape.

they have obviously returned to either cause terrorist attacks to encourage others to join.

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Nemesis wrote:

You are just putting your hands over your eyes going "la la la la la la I don't want to listen" Sorry but they are being groomed, and you fial to understand why.

So again

Do you understand the methodology behind grooming young girls?

so you are saying that isis are peado's as well as terorists... well that does fit with the koran and muhammeds habits..

they left to join a terrorist group simple as, they are not safe to let back in to the country, how do you think three girls escaped isis, it is not a play group they behead people for shits and giggles, they idea these girls walked in then walked out when they felt like it is ludicrous, if they were groomed how did they escape.

they have obviously returned to either cause terrorist attacks to encourage others to join.

ISIS are very much paedos, what have you missed about them raping young girls?
What have you missed about them trying to claim it is accetable to marry young girls and enslave young girls?
Seriously what planet have you been on?

So again I will ask again:

Do you understand the methodology behind grooming young girls?

They are the same as the terrorists they went to join.



We do not want them back here.

Nemesis wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
so you are saying that isis are peado's as well as terorists... well that does fit with the koran and muhammeds habits..

they left to join a terrorist group simple as, they are not safe to let back in to the country, how do you think three girls escaped isis, it is not a play group they behead people for shits and giggles, they idea these girls walked in then walked out when they felt like it is ludicrous, if they were groomed how did they escape.

they have obviously returned to either cause terrorist attacks to encourage others to join.

ISIS are very much paedos, what have you missed about them raping young girls?
What have you missed about them trying to claim it is accetable to marry young girls and enslave young girls?
Seriously what planet have you been on?

So again I will ask again:

Do you understand the methodology behind grooming young girls?

do they usually send them back home unharmed ??? are isis in the habit of returning anyone they have taken captive????
so how has three young girls walked out unharmed from under their noses...??

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Nemesis wrote:

ISIS are very much paedos, what have you missed about them raping young girls?
What have you missed about them trying to claim it is accetable to marry young girls and enslave young girls?
Seriously what planet have you been on?

So again I will ask again:

Do you understand the methodology behind grooming young girls?

do they usually send them back home unharmed ??? are isis in the habit of returning anyone they have taken captive????
so how has three young girls walked out unharmed from under their noses...??

Whay are people fleeing them who have been groomed to join?
That is a telling point for you, how vunerable girls have been groomed.

So again

Do you understand the methodology behind grooming young girls?

I think it all depends on how you see these girls - as victims, or terrorists/terrorist supporters. I see them as the latter. Perhaps the phrase, "jihadi bride", suggests to some people that they're not actually taking part in murder and terrorism, but even if they're not, they are actively supporting and condoning it, and presumably the idea is for them to have children they will bring up to become terrorists and murderers.

I doubt the went off because some bloke offered to buy them some beer or whatever. If they were "groomed" via the internet, they will also have done their research into ISIS on the internet and found out exactly what they are and what they do.

Raggamuffin wrote:I think it all depends on how you see these girls - as victims, or terrorists/terrorist supporters. I see them as the latter. Perhaps the phrase, "jihadi bride", suggests to some people that they're not actually taking part in murder and terrorism, but even if they're not, they are actively supporting and condoning it, and presumably the idea is for them to have children they will bring up to become terrorists and murderers.

I doubt the went off because some bloke offered to buy them some beer or whatever. If they were "groomed" via the internet, they will also have done their research into ISIS on the internet and found out exactly what they are and what they do.

That is because you are already failing to understand how they are easily groomed.
As you hold a view of the situation it makes you unable to be impartial at looking at the problem. This is why I have given other examples of where girls have been groomed before with other religious extremists.

So again

Do you understand the methodology behind grooming young girls?

Nemesis wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
do they usually send them back home unharmed ??? are isis in the habit of returning anyone they have taken captive????
so how has three young girls walked out unharmed from under their noses...??

Whay are people fleeing them who have been groomed to join?
That is a telling point for you, how vunerable girls have been groomed.

So again

Do you understand the methodology behind grooming young girls?

that is not my point at all, my point is how did these three young girls wander in to isis and simply wander back out, if they were groomed and arrived at there destination, why were they allowed to leave unharmed, they went to all that trouble to get them to leave their homes and families, why send them home, how did they get home, did they take air fare to come home and if they did how covinced to stay could they have been if they have planned to come home, it makes no sense unless they are coming back on a mission for ISIS.

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Nemesis wrote:


Whay are people fleeing them who have been groomed to join?
That is a telling point for you, how vunerable girls have been groomed.

So again

Do you understand the methodology behind grooming young girls?

that is not my point at all, my point is how did these three young girls wander in to isis and simply wander back out, if they were groomed and arrived at there destination, why were they allowed to leave unharmed, they went to all that trouble to get them to leave their homes and families, why send them home, how did they get home, did they take air fare to come home and if they did how covinced to stay could they have been if they have planned to come home, it makes no sense unless they are coming back on a mission for ISIS.

You do not have a point because already you fail to understand how girls are groomed. You have jumped the relevant part and gone straight to where they have already gone to join, never understanding what has enticed them to do so.
Which leads back to the point which at every turn you have failed to answer:


Do you understand the methodology behind grooming young girls?

Nemesis wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
that is not my point at all, my point is how did these three young girls wander in to isis and simply wander back out, if they were groomed and arrived at there destination, why were they allowed to leave unharmed, they went to all that trouble to get them to leave their homes and families, why send them home, how did they get home, did they take air fare to come home and if they did how covinced to stay could they have been if they have planned to come home, it makes no sense unless they are coming back on a mission for ISIS.

You do not have a point because already you fail to understand how girls are groomed. You have jumped the relevant part and gone straight to where they have already gone to join, never understanding what has enticed them to do so.
Which leads back to the point which at every turn you have failed to answer:


Do you understand the methodology behind grooming young girls?

what!!! are girls groomed to go to a foreign country , with the idea of raping them just to let them walk out again???

that is just so unreal...

Even if they say they were "groomed", and they come back and say sorry, how can anyone believe them? They fooled their families by all accounts, so they're good liars. They can't simply walk back in and be ignored - they just might be a security risk to this country.