don't let them back in the country!!!

First topic message reminder :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3078579/Three-British-teenage-Jihadi-brides-married-militants-Iraq-run-Isis-escaping.html

they made their bed let them lie on it.

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I don't know about that. I don't know if someone guards them once they're there or what.

well lets face it , it would be great information for people to know, especially certain people, where these groups are, so from the point of a security risk, three girls marching in then marching out is pretty crazy, on another point if they had gone through the process of getting these girls there the idea of then letting them walk off would not ring true either...

So lets ask you a simple question

Would you deny one of these girls groomed online who goes off to join ISIS, where lets just leave to one side the fact you know absolutely next to nothing about grooming and where there have then since fled such horrors and they have found Jesus from people have helped them to come back to Britain, would you then deny this girl from returning?

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I don't know about that. I don't know if someone guards them once they're there or what.

well lets face it , it would be great information for people to know, especially certain people, where these groups are, so from the point of a security risk, three girls marching in then marching out is pretty crazy, on another point if they had gone through the process of getting these girls there the idea of then letting them walk off would not ring true either...

Quite a few jihadists have come back though. One of them has a mother who complained that he didn't get enough support from the Government to get over his trauma.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-terror-fears-my-jihadist-son-returned-mentally-scarred--now-he-is-being-ignored-9986669.html

Raggamuffin wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
well lets face it , it would be great information for people to know, especially certain people, where these groups are, so from the point of a security risk, three girls marching in then marching out is pretty crazy, on another point if they had gone through the process of getting these girls there the idea of then letting them walk off would not ring true either...

Quite a few jihadists have come back though. One of them has a mother who complained that he didn't get enough support from the Government to get over his trauma.  

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-terror-fears-my-jihadist-son-returned-mentally-scarred--now-he-is-being-ignored-9986669.html

Do you think Maajid Nawaz should not have been allowed to return?

Do you know the work that he does?

Raggamuffin wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
well lets face it , it would be great information for people to know, especially certain people, where these groups are, so from the point of a security risk, three girls marching in then marching out is pretty crazy, on another point if they had gone through the process of getting these girls there the idea of then letting them walk off would not ring true either...

Quite a few jihadists have come back though. One of them has a mother who complained that he didn't get enough support from the Government to get over his trauma.  

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-terror-fears-my-jihadist-son-returned-mentally-scarred--now-he-is-being-ignored-9986669.html

that's a guy, they don't seem to get bored of young women for some reason, I was reading a story the other day of women they had taken and kept giving to terrorists as brides each time they were remarried they gave them surgery to try and restore there virginity, I am not saying the story is completely true but to be honest who knows..

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Quite a few jihadists have come back though. One of them has a mother who complained that he didn't get enough support from the Government to get over his trauma.  

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-terror-fears-my-jihadist-son-returned-mentally-scarred--now-he-is-being-ignored-9986669.html

that's a guy, they don't seem to get bored of young women for some reason, I was reading a story the other day of women they had taken and kept giving to terrorists as brides each time they were remarried they gave them surgery to try and restore there virginity, I am not saying the story is completely true but to be honest who knows..

He was fighting for ISIS though, and I have read that ISIS have killed some men who tried to leave.

Nemesis wrote:

darknessss wrote:since you are doinfg nothing but waffle  its difficult to adress any so called questions ....


so what would you have done about this???

Copout reply

I gave you points to address and now you provide feeble excuse

Pathetic mate

How do you tackle any problem where girls are vulnerable to grooming?

If you understand the problems of grooming, you should be able to answer like as asked already

so didge doesnt actually HAVE an answer....

just thinks "somebody else" should....

O h and forget your "paedophile links"...these girls were 16

even in THIS country that means they are of marriageable age (with parental consent)

kinda screws that idea doesnt it

this paedophile crap didge is throwing around is nothing but a smokescreen to cover the fact he hasnt a clue what to do....

darknessss wrote:

Nemesis wrote:


Copout reply

I gave you points to address and now you provide feeble excuse

Pathetic mate

How do you tackle any problem where girls are vulnerable to grooming?

If you understand the problems of grooming, you should be able to answer like as asked already

so didge doesnt actually HAVE an answer....

just thinks "somebody else" should....

O h and forget your "paedophile links"...these girls were 16

even in THIS country that means they are of marriageable age (with parental consent)

kinda screws that idea doesnt it

this paedophile crap didge is throwing around is nothing but a smokescreen to cover the fact he hasnt a clue what to do....

Oh behave, yet again a copout

Talk about pathetic excuses not to address my points from the very first post to you on grooming#

So opne minute you say they are children the next adults

You need to make up your mind mate

Now go back and address my questions and stop wasting my time with pathetic excuses

Last chance

Best you also learn the law Victor:

http://www.nspcc.org.uk/preventing-abuse/child-protection-system/legal-definition-child-rights-law/legal-definitions/

I dont Have to answer your so called questions ...especially since they are merely a smokescreen for your own inadequacy.

and ...since clearly I have to say it yet again...grow up and stop being so bloody arrogant

I at least can admit I really dont know WHAT should be done with em...

I know what i reckon should be done with them, but I also would admit that thats probably not fair ....

but then life is a bitch....

and actions you take can have far reaching and unfortunate and unforseen consequences....

one point of view would be that we are actually infantilizing youngsters these days...instead of making them take responsibility for their own actions

no wonder they are screwed when they become adults....

Nemesis wrote:Best you also learn the law Victor:

http://www.nspcc.org.uk/preventing-abuse/child-protection-system/legal-definition-child-rights-law/legal-definitions/

your point being???

of course according to that they should be prosecuted ...since they are over the age of criminal responsibility....

darknessss wrote:I dont Have to answer your so called questions ...especially since they are merely a smokescreen for your own inadequacy.

and ...since clearly I have to say it yet again...grow up and stop being so bloody arrogant

I at least can admit I really dont know WHAT should be done with em...

I know what i reckon should be done with them, but I also would admit that thats probably not fair ....

but then life is a bitch....

and actions you take can have far reaching and unfortunate and unforseen consequences....

one point of view would be that we are actually infantilizing youngsters these days...instead of making them take responsibility for their own actions

no wonder they are screwed when they become adults....

No what you claim as a smoke screen ios your sheer ignorance on the subject hence why you keep comiong back with pathetic excuses.

I asked some valid points here of which at every turn you failed to address.

Your views are based on your shitting your pants, so lets take this view of yours where girls have fled

1) You believe they are actually terrorists coming back to commit an act of terror based on nothing more than an assumption.

2) They were groomed as vunerable young girls, of which does happen, of which they can be many reasons they reach out to something that makes them part of something which until now they have never felt accepted.

3) If they are terrorists, what are they capable of being as they have had little time to make bombs which takes years of experince and to even handle guns, of which you definately know takes training. What is left then, a knife or someone making a bomb for them, which they have more chance of blowing themselves up of which does happen to inexperinced suicide bombers.

4) Now clearly either they have fled and want to come back or we believe like you they are a threat. Then they would be placed into the deradicalization programs and would be monitored. They are not going to leave someone they still perceive as a threat onto society, without keeping tabs on them. What clearly is the best option is deradicalization and even to turn such people to help prevent others from falling to this grooming methods.


The point is what you have first have to learn and understand is how there is vunerable girls out there who are Muslim that do not feel they are fitting into society of which this society is not helping in how I explained to you last night because they are not being seen as British and viewed with suspicion. This are an easy target for the ISIS brigade to make them feel they are welcomed into a society from one that they are feeling alien in. The fact is we should be looking out for all young girls that are vunerable and parents also have a part to play here.

They made their own informed decision to travel thousands of miles to join What they also must have know to be brutal terrorist ISIS fighters... bollocks to them!

Tommy Monk wrote:They made their own informed decision to travel thousands of miles to join What they also must have know to be brutal terrorist ISIS fighters... bollocks to them!

So any girl that makes a decision to meet a groomer to you has made their own informed decision and thus to you deserves everything they get then?
You see when you apply your illogical views to others who are groomed your views fall apart and why I really get bored at you clearly failing to grasp anything so simple to understand

Bullshit dodge, they knew exactly what they were doing.



Totally different to The child grooming that you are trying to compare it to.

According to this "jihadi bride", the girls contact ISIS, not the other way round.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jihadi-bride-glasgow-complains-new-4665481

Tommy Monk wrote:Bullshit dodge, they knew exactly what they were doing.



Totally different to The child grooming that you are trying to compare it to.

No its not bullshit because again you know bugger all what you are talking about as seen.
You are just some silly jumped up little twat who is angry at near everything in the world, like a little chihuahua  snapping at someones heels, nothing more than a mere nuisance. (apologies to any dog lovers)
Again what you fail to understand is the vulnerability of those who are groomed and until you understand this, then you talking nothing more than shite. You were clearly born in the wrong era and would have been better placed as some deranged priest of the inquisition, as that would have been a far better calling for you.
Now it is a complete waste of time ever debating you, because you are seen nothing more than a child in how you attempt to understand anything.

So I shall just leave you snapping away as nothing more than a mild nuisance.

didges definitions

groomed
having decided to rebel against what you perceive to be a rotten life you decide to be really , really naughty

deradicalisation....

spendwaste bucket loads of public money trying to get terrorists to be "nice people "

so they go along with this and then blow somewhere up when no ones watching....

bit like christians and praying for healing

they get a .00001% success rate and claim that vindicates their spending millions...

(I dont know thw actual succes rate...but didge only ever seems to be able to quote one.....)

and conflating paedophile grooming and this kinda shit is nothing but a smoke screen...

granted there are some similarities but that doesnt make them the same
indeed if you stick to didges ideas, the same argument can be made for jihadi john
since clearly, although adult, he "must" have been a "vulnerable "individual, led astray by these awful radicalisers (groomers)

patent nonsense...

and still doesnt answer(but since didge now denies he is either lefty OR liberalistic (ok so he's a "progressive" )I'll let him of this one


can some one...any one..... explain to me the lefty duality of giving the 16yo the vote

and yet howling that these are "just children"

Nemesis wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Bullshit dodge, they knew exactly what they were doing.



Totally different to The child grooming that you are trying to compare it to.

No its not bullshit because again you know bugger all what you are talking about as seen.
You are just some silly jumped up little twat who is angry at near everything in the world, like a little chihuahua  snapping at someones heels, nothing more than a mere nuisance. (apologies to any dog lovers)
Again what you fail to understand is the vulnerability of those who are groomed and until you understand this, then you talking nothing more than shite. You were clearly born in the wrong era and would have been better placed as some deranged priest of the inquisition, as that would have been a far better calling for you.
Now it is a complete waste of time ever debating you, because you are seen nothing more than a child in how you attempt to understand anything.

So I shall just leave you snapping away as nothing more than a mild nuisance.

welcome to didges world Tommy...its a lonely place let me tell you ...with only him in it.....

darknessss wrote:

Nemesis wrote:



No its not bullshit because again you know bugger all what you are talking about as seen.
You are just some silly jumped up little twat who is angry at near everything in the world, like a little chihuahua  snapping at someones heels, nothing more than a mere nuisance. (apologies to any dog lovers)
Again what you fail to understand is the vulnerability of those who are groomed and until you understand this, then you talking nothing more than shite. You were clearly born in the wrong era and would have been better placed as some deranged priest of the inquisition, as that would have been a far better calling for you.
Now it is a complete waste of time ever debating you, because you are seen nothing more than a child in how you attempt to understand anything.

So I shall just leave you snapping away as nothing more than a mild nuisance.

welcome to didges world Tommy...its a lonely place let me tell you ...with only him in it.....

Says the man who spends most of his time out doors alone

lol

You really do walk into your own gaffs

So lets give Victor some education of where he thinks if people especially the young have been indoctrinated, his view is basically fuck them
I have already shown he knows nothing about vulnerability and grooming so lets take this back a step in time so he can learn something which clearly his last post of babble was yet again just that.


So explain to me Victor what you understand about the Hitler Youth?

Explain to the forum how many young boys and girls drawn to this movement were not corrupted in their minds?

Explain they were just naughty boys as you put it?

Seriously you really know fuck all about indoctrination and radicalization Victor, you think its all about naughty boys and girls failing to understand how again where its morons like you making some in society not feel apart of this and pushing them to seek an identity which you are denying them. It is cretins like you that are actually creating these problems, as what problems did we have before 9/11 or example with Muslims?

Seriously, this is why you fail to see even not talking about Muslims, how children turn to even violence or into care because of very similar issues. Now if you want me to really educate your clear ignorance here, I am going to really make you look quite the prat.

By the way it is you and only you comparing grooming and pedophilia.

We are talking about the vulnerability of those to grooming methods of young Muslims girls, all of which feel alien in society today because of xenophobic twats like yourself


So lets have your understanding of social issues, within young children?

Your understanding of indoctrination of the Hitler Youth?

Your understanding of radicalization?

I noticed again you did not even address any of my last points but again just ignore them on threats where you shit your pants, why?

As you have little understanding don;t you old bean

What do you understand vulnerability in youngsters?

ahh...but I'm not "alone"

i have a far more intelligent companion than you can claim to be.. ..............

darknessss wrote:ahh...but I'm not "alone"

i have a far more intelligent companion than you can claim to be.. ..............

I have no doubt your teeny tiny todger has the equivalency of your low intelligence and is your best friend and companion, your dog though has no freedom, it has no understanding of what real freedom is, you have taken this from him and is no real companion but a slave to your needs of love.

Nemesis wrote:So lets give Victor some education of where he thinks if people especially the young have been indoctrinated, his view is basically fuck them
I have already shown he knows nothing about vulnerability and grooming so lets take this back a step in time so he can learn something which clearly his last post of babble was yet again just that.


So explain to me Victor what you understand about the Hitler Youth?

Explain to the forum how many young boys and girls drawn to this movement were not corrupted in their minds?

Explain they were just naughty boys as you put it?

Seriously you really know fuck all about indoctrination and radicalization Victor, you think its all about naughty boys and girls failing to understand how again where its morons like you making some in society not feel apart of this and pushing them to seek an identity which you are denying them. It is cretins like you that are actually creating these problems, as what problems did we have before 9/11 or example with Muslims?

Seriously, this is why you fail to see even not talking about Muslims, how children turn to even violence or into care because of very similar issues. Now if you want me to really educate your clear ignorance here, I am going to really make you look quite the prat.

By the way it is you and only you comparing grooming and pedophilia.

We are talking about the vulnerability of those to grooming methods of young Muslims girls, all of which feel alien in society today because of xenophobic twats like yourself


So lets have your understanding of social issues, within young children?

Your understanding of indoctrination of the Hitler Youth?

Your understanding of radicalization?

I noticed again you did not even address any of my last points but again just ignore them on threats where you shit your pants, why?

As you have little understanding don;t you old bean

What do you understand vulnerability in youngsters?

all you have done is spout your opinion...   as usual ...

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Nemesis wrote:So lets give Victor some education of where he thinks if people especially the young have been indoctrinated, his view is basically fuck them
I have already shown he knows nothing about vulnerability and grooming so lets take this back a step in time so he can learn something which clearly his last post of babble was yet again just that.


So explain to me Victor what you understand about the Hitler Youth?

Explain to the forum how many young boys and girls drawn to this movement were not corrupted in their minds?

Explain they were just naughty boys as you put it?

Seriously you really know fuck all about indoctrination and radicalization Victor, you think its all about naughty boys and girls failing to understand how again where its morons like you making some in society not feel apart of this and pushing them to seek an identity which you are denying them. It is cretins like you that are actually creating these problems, as what problems did we have before 9/11 or example with Muslims?

Seriously, this is why you fail to see even not talking about Muslims, how children turn to even violence or into care because of very similar issues. Now if you want me to really educate your clear ignorance here, I am going to really make you look quite the prat.

By the way it is you and only you comparing grooming and pedophilia.

We are talking about the vulnerability of those to grooming methods of young Muslims girls, all of which feel alien in society today because of xenophobic twats like yourself


So lets have your understanding of social issues, within young children?

Your understanding of indoctrination of the Hitler Youth?

Your understanding of radicalization?

I noticed again you did not even address any of my last points but again just ignore them on threats where you shit your pants, why?

As you have little understanding don;t you old bean

What do you understand vulnerability in youngsters?

all you have done is spout your opinion...   as usual ...

Is that why you could not address any points or answer any of them.

Stop wasting my time and go back to your prasing Jesus, at least that has a purpose for you

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Nemesis wrote:So lets give Victor some education of where he thinks if people especially the young have been indoctrinated, his view is basically fuck them
I have already shown he knows nothing about vulnerability and grooming so lets take this back a step in time so he can learn something which clearly his last post of babble was yet again just that.


So explain to me Victor what you understand about the Hitler Youth?

Explain to the forum how many young boys and girls drawn to this movement were not corrupted in their minds?

Explain they were just naughty boys as you put it?

Seriously you really know fuck all about indoctrination and radicalization Victor, you think its all about naughty boys and girls failing to understand how again where its morons like you making some in society not feel apart of this and pushing them to seek an identity which you are denying them. It is cretins like you that are actually creating these problems, as what problems did we have before 9/11 or example with Muslims?

Seriously, this is why you fail to see even not talking about Muslims, how children turn to even violence or into care because of very similar issues. Now if you want me to really educate your clear ignorance here, I am going to really make you look quite the prat.

By the way it is you and only you comparing grooming and pedophilia.

We are talking about the vulnerability of those to grooming methods of young Muslims girls, all of which feel alien in society today because of xenophobic twats like yourself


So lets have your understanding of social issues, within young children?

Your understanding of indoctrination of the Hitler Youth?

Your understanding of radicalization?

I noticed again you did not even address any of my last points but again just ignore them on threats where you shit your pants, why?

As you have little understanding don;t you old bean

What do you understand vulnerability in youngsters?

all you have done is spout your opinion...   as usual ...

you didn't raise any points, both you and the local labour candidate threw smoke up about peado's , then grooming and all sorts of excuses for the country to take back potential terrorists.

given that at the time the hitler youth was not seen by most germans as "bad"
the comparison is not valid.

those girls cannot have been in any doubt that ISIS is evil....and that most of even their society see them as such...either that or "their " society has some serious problems.

there feelings of "not being part " of "our society" is THEIR and their parents failure to "integrate"

why do you "progressives" only see the problems as a one way street??

when you go to another country to live you "do as rome does"

not try to make it a copy of the hell hole you left behind...

as for vulnerability i really dont know, seems to me this is a "modern" "progressive" ideology

It may of course be all the more real for being that...

but I cant remember any of "peer group" being particularly "vulnerable" at 16

indeed a more opinionated and obstrepulous bunch I doubt you have ever seen...but then we were brought up to be "responsible" and respectful
moreover ..if you were not going to carry on and get your further education...the world of work (down the pit) beckoned....and no prisoners were to be taken there let me tell you.....

christ, at 13 we were considered responsible and old enough to have occaisional full time care for a day of our younger siblings
(much, I must add, to our utter despair when it happened)

whats gone wrong

I'll tell you ...lefty infantilising

another 10 years and we will have our "teenagers" still sucking the tit.....

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
all you have done is spout your opinion...   as usual ...

you didn't raise any points, both you and the local labour candidate threw smoke up about peado's , then grooming and all sorts of excuses for the country to take back potential terrorists.

Boring, if Victors wants to address my points he can, you though really have not the faintest idea.

I make no excuses for terrorism at any point in my posts, which shows you did not even read it

So unless you want to address my points, I suggest you put back on your makeup and join the rest of the clowns, as they clearly are missing you


One last chance, because it really gets tedious having to answer you very tiresome lame idiotic replies, so either address the points or jog on you imbecile.

darknessss wrote:given that at the time the hitler youth was not seen by most germans as "bad"
the comparison is not valid.

those girls cannot have been in any doubt that ISIS is evil....and that most of even their society see them as such...either that or "their " society has some serious problems.

there feelings of "not being part " of "our society" is THEIR and their parents failure to "integrate"

why do you "progressives" only see the problems as a one way street??

when you go to another country to live you "do as rome does"

not try to make it a copy of the hell hole you left behind...

as for vulnerability i really dont know, seems to me this is a "modern" "progressive" ideology

It may of course be all the more real for being that...

but I cant remember any of "peer group" being particularly "vulnerable" at 16

indeed a more opinionated and obstrepulous bunch I doubt you have ever seen...but then we were brought up to be "responsible" and respectful
moreover ..if you were not going to carry on and get your further education...the world of work (down the pit) beckoned....and no prisoners were to be taken there let me tell you.....

christ, at 13 we were considered responsible and old enough to have occaisional full time care for a day of our younger siblings
(much, I must add, to our utter despair when it happened)

whats gone wrong

I'll tell you ...lefty infantilising

another 10 years and we will have our "teenagers" still sucking the tit.....

I believe hitler abolished all groups but the hitler youth, kids would be more or less press ganged, wasn't one of the recent popes ex hitler youth.

darknessss wrote:given that at the time the hitler youth was not seen by most germans as "bad"
the comparison is not valid.


those girls cannot have been in any doubt that ISIS is evil....and that most of even their society see them as such...either that or "their " society has some serious problems.

there feelings of "not being part " of "our society" is THEIR and their parents failure to "integrate"

why do you "progressives" only see the problems as a one way street??

when you go to another country to live you "do as rome does"

not try to make it a copy of the hell hole you left behind...

as for vulnerability i really dont know, seems to me this is a "modern" "progressive" ideology

It may of course be all the more real for being that...

but I cant remember any of "peer group" being particularly "vulnerable" at 16

indeed a more opinionated and obstrepulous bunch I doubt you have ever seen...but then we were brought up to be "responsible" and respectful
moreover ..if you were not going to carry on and get your further education...the world of work (down the pit) beckoned....and no prisoners were to be taken there let me tell you.....

christ, at 13 we were considered responsible and old enough to have occaisional full time care for a day of our younger siblings
(much, I must add, to our utter despair when it happened)

whats gone wrong

I'll tell you ...lefty infantilising

another 10 years and we will have our "teenagers" still sucking the tit.....

Point one. Ignorance at its best, this is not about how Germans saw the Hitler youth, this is about the Hitler youth being indoctrinated and how clearly those non-German saw the Hitler youth many being children and forced into war. Seriously this is why your understanding is utterly shambolic

Point two. So now you say that these girls cannot be in any doubt that ISIS are evil, how? To a religiously conservative or to ISIS members themselves, they do not see what they are doing as evil but is part of their ideology, the same very much as the Hitler Youth were taught, showing again how far over your head this point is. So how do you define evil Victor, for one being you yourself are making a subjective view point on how you yourself see evil, went to those mentioned above this would be seen as just notevil. This is not what even attracts them to leaving to join ISIS and shows again how before you can even answer this you fail to see what it is that does.

Point Three. So now its the parents fault? Really and only down to them on not being able to integrate and to you no part is played where as stated by the likes of such an oik like you that views them with distrust. The fact is yes some parents do play a part, but not the real part here, because they already fit within their how, which countless other Muslims do already. We already have many other Muslims not drawn, so clearly your understanding falls down again. Clearly there are fears some youngsters have and again by not fitting in around school and people in school has little to do with the parents themselves, but how others perceive them in society. So after 3 points, you have already failed to even understand what attracts them. One very much is the bad boy image. Now are you telling many young girls have not been drawn to such image over the years? This is a selling point that ISIS capitalizes on very well, where many young girls fall prey to this. Again it is about how and we see it where English girls are groomed, that they do not fit into society, which can be for many reasons, which is why I said to you that you fail to understand grooming itself. It places on those naive and those who feel they do not fit in and it is people like ISIS that play on this fear they have, offering them something that provides them with acceptance.

Point Four) I really am getting so tied and bored of your really idiotic claim of leftism, because if anything else this is something that accepts people, it is nationalism, that certainly does not, you again being part of the problem. Where you have such far right views of not accepting people because of how you yourself have this really outdated view based on Tolkien's view of Anglo Saxonism as a view to what you conceive as English. Where your view falls apart is how this antiquated concept of Englishness is how you see what England should be. In fact Tolkien would no doubt turn in his grave over your views how he himself saw the ugliness of hate and Nazism. This is another problem that you are living in a past that never even really existed and only in the realms of a book.

So at no point did you offer any understanding of radicalization.

At no point did you understand the point on the Hitler Youth

At no point did you understand vulnerability

At no point did you understand grooming

Stop fucking wasting my time with the complete an utter bullshit you keep replying with

in which case didge..if you dont like the answers ...........
actually you dont like someone disagreeing with you since you think you know it all and actually know fuck all...especially about me....

if I'm wasteing your time...I suggest you piss off somewhere else....where no doubt you will end up being caned just as much....

we have hitler youth smoke screen now, this is getting out of hand...
 we had three girls leave this country to join a well know hateful terrorist group, some seem to mention the girls were groomed, don't know the truth about that bit.
If they were not groomed, they want to come back and are a danger of being open to radicalisation and as such should not be allowed back.

if they were groomed these 3 girls, who some here are claiming are nothing more than kids have managed to escape from a terrorist gang noted for rape, beheading and various other atrocities and now these girls just want to come back to Britain.

iether way it sounds very dodgy keep them out of the country.

darknessss wrote:in which case didge..if you dont like the answers ...........
actually you dont like someone disagreeing with you since you think you know it all and actually know fuck all...especially about me....

if I'm wasteing your time...I suggest you piss off somewhere else....where no doubt you will end up being caned just as much....

Its not about liking the answers, you never answered anything which was asked of you.

What you do not like is this is an area you know fuck all about and its because you live in the realms of fantasy, that you are so fucked up in the head.
You see you know very little about psychology Victor and I know when it plays on you, because as seen you just come out with constant drivel.

So Mr lonely that graves the attention of an animal it denies its very freedom of, you have just been very schooled and what is more you bloody well know it

Now do what you do best and piss and moan and have a bloody good sulk

darknessss wrote:in which case didge..if you dont like the answers ...........
actually you dont like someone disagreeing with you since you think you know it all and actually know fuck all...especially about me....

if I'm wasteing your time...I suggest you piss off somewhere else....where no doubt you will end up being caned just as much....

He does it constantly, he asks questions then just ignores the answers or dismisses the answers as he doesn't believe them...

Oh and Victor, I had to change schools at 9 to take my sister to and from school, times have changed, its time you recognized that and how society is different today, hence why you are so out of touch understanding the problems of today of which are far different for youths. One is technology that is denying face to face communication for children, where they can properly interact, they instead use gadgets to do so and are losing the ability to understand the most important aspect of communication, body language.

Also I take on board hen your views are valid, so please spare me saying I think I know it all, when I engage in things I do know. Like last night, I do not know your knowledge on velocity with guns etc, so I ask, that is called being polite and would not even dream to dare say otherwise, or on your skills as a designer or artist, you maths, engineering or on other points. That is where we differ, you never know when you are in the lesser position to things I do know better than you.

Learn some bloody humility

Nemesis wrote:

darknessss wrote:in which case didge..if you dont like the answers ...........
actually you dont like someone disagreeing with you since you think you know it all and actually know fuck all...especially about me....

if I'm wasteing your time...I suggest you piss off somewhere else....where no doubt you will end up being caned just as much....

Its not about liking the answers, you never answered anything which was asked of you.

What you do not like is this is an area you know fuck all about and its because you live in the realms of fantasy, that you are so fucked up in the head.
You see you know very little about psychology Victor and I know when it plays on you, because as seen you just come out with constant drivel.

So Mr lonely that graves the attention of an animal it denies its very freedom of, you have just been very schooled and what is more you bloody well know it

Now do what you do best and piss and moan and have a bloody good sulk

I should stick to human psychology ducky....

and see this is your problem...everything comes down to psychobabbleology doesnt it...

and we know exactly how advanced and significantly accurate your "science" is....

i mean we all know that theories change as new discoveries are made


but psychobabble changes it socks faster than a man in a flood with only sandals changes his socks.....

answer me this then oh mighty psychobabble.....

If these "poor" girls are so alienated that going off to join this crowd of mass murderers is such a good thing.....

why arent a goodly chunk of our white youths blowing things up and killing folks...
they have little hope for work
little hope for the future
and in most ways exactly the same problems (since society has been taught to discriminate against the jobless young)

and yet...........

how many white "bus bombers" do we see.....

how many groups of white youngsters do we see preaching bomb the priviliged (the equivalent i suppose to the evil westerner)

none??
or none at all??

it may yet come to that

I dunno........

but the fact that one IS a (relatively) common happening

whilst the other doesnt seen to exist
seems to require an answer......

Nemesis wrote:Oh and Victor, I had to change schools at 9 to take my sister to and from school, times have changed, its time you recognized that and how society is different today, hence why you are so out of touch understanding the problems of today of which are far different for youths. One is technology that is denying face to face communication for children, where they can properly interact, they instead use gadgets to do so and are losing the ability to understand the most important aspect of communication, body language.

Also I take on board hen your views are valid, so please spare me saying I think I know it all, when I engage in things I do know. Like last night, I do not know your knowledge on velocity with guns etc, so I ask, that is called being polite and would not even dream to dare say otherwise, or on your skills as a designer or artist, you maths, engineering or on other points. That is where we differ, you never know when you are in the lesser position to things I do know better than you.

Learn some bloody humility

I suggest you look back at your posts to me in this thread.....

and take a good long hard look in the mirror.....

Still conflating totally separate issues I see dodge...




These girls knew exactly what they were doing and made their own intelligent and informed choice to travel thousands of miles to join a bunch of bloodthirsty barbaric terrorists.



They were not the victims here, in fact others were more likely victims of them and their chosen gang of brutal Islamic terrorists.


We do not want their kind here in The UK posing a danger to our citizens.



Dodge, you are totally outnumbered on this issue, why can't you just accept you are wrong on this?


What makes you think you are so right and everyone else wrong?

There we go, the racial argument from Victor the so called I am not racist bullshit, ousting his real hatred.

White.

Nationalism based on Anglo Saxionism

I see plenty of white people killing all the time around the world, in fact history is littered with violence from white committing genocides.

You see this is your real argument racist babble

You do realise that Arabs are o the Semitic Caucasian group do you not Victor, which means they are f the white group, so yeah, I see plenty of them doing so.

You see at every turn you end up with a self defeating argument.

So there is plenty of white bombers Victor

You see this is why your arguments are idiotic at best, you ignore violence throughout mankind history and go off recent violence, where again most of it is what we define as white.

Do you wanna try again, or have me again make you look utterly fucking stupid?

darknessss wrote:

Nemesis wrote:Oh and Victor, I had to change schools at 9 to take my sister to and from school, times have changed, its time you recognized that and how society is different today, hence why you are so out of touch understanding the problems of today of which are far different for youths. One is technology that is denying face to face communication for children, where they can properly interact, they instead use gadgets to do so and are losing the ability to understand the most important aspect of communication, body language.

Also I take on board hen your views are valid, so please spare me saying I think I know it all, when I engage in things I do know. Like last night, I do not know your knowledge on velocity with guns etc, so I ask, that is called being polite and would not even dream to dare say otherwise, or on your skills as a designer or artist, you maths, engineering or on other points. That is where we differ, you never know when you are in the lesser position to things I do know better than you.

Learn some bloody humility

I suggest you look back at your posts to me in this thread.....

and take a good long hard look in the mirror.....

Like I said, no humility and proven by that last remark

Grow the fuck up

The only person looking stupid and incredibly desperate is you dodge!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:The only person looking stupid and incredibly desperate is you dodge!!!

And tommy is back to snapping at people heels lol

and you are either deliberately being a wanker ...or actually are a wanker

ok lets make it simple for you

change white to (the general non Muslim) population....

dont conflate with other countries (since no doubt they can refer to certain happenings in the reverse...which are also wrong)


IN THIS COUNTRY.....

why is ONE group thus affected when another, similarly placed is NOT....

THAT is the point....

sorry if you are too dumb to see the point I was trying to make ....

but hey ho it made a conveniant divert....

so ....back again

why is ONE group affected in this way when others with lets face it similar problems is NOT???

you claim these Muslims are "alienated"

well i got news for you...so are a huge number of others from many diverse groups.....and IN THIS COUNTRY ...THEY dont go around joining death dealing organisations and blowing innocents up...

well ...not yet anyhow.....

darknessss wrote:and you are either deliberately being a wanker ...or actually are a wanker

ok lets make it simple for you

change white to (the general non Muslim) population....

dont conflate with other countries (since no doubt they can refer to certain happenings in the reverse...which are also wrong)


IN THIS COUNTRY.....

why is ONE group thus affected when another, similarly placed is NOT....

THAT is the point....

sorry if you are too dumb to see the point I was trying to make ....

but hey ho it made a conveniant divert....

so ....back again

why is ONE group affected in this way when others with lets face it similar problems is NOT???

you claim these Muslims are "alienated"

well i got news for you...so are a huge number of others from many diverse groups.....and IN THIS COUNTRY ...THEY dont go around joining death dealing organisations and blowing innocents up...

well ...not yet anyhow.....

PMSL so now you wantto move the goal posts then from whites to now what did you say Non-Muslim

Fucking pricless

Okay lets look at this then

1970s

• 1971, 12 January: Two bombs exploded at the house of government minister Robert Carr. This attack was one of 25 carried out by the Angry Brigade between August 1970 and August 1971. The Bomb Squad was established at Scotland Yard in January 1971 to target the group, and they were apprehended in August of that year.^[1][2]
  
• 1971, 31 October: A bomb exploded in the Post Office Tower in London causing extensive damage but no injuries. The "Kilburn Battalion" of the IRA claimed responsibility for the explosion.^[3]
  
• 1972, 22 February: The Official Irish Republican Army killed seven civilians in the Aldershot bombing.
  
• 1972, 19 September: The group Black September posted a letter bomb to the Israeli embassy in London killing an Israeli diplomat.^[4]
  
• 1973: The Provisional IRA exploded a car bomb in the street outside the Old Bailey. A shard of glass is preserved as a reminder, embedded in the wall at the top of the main stairs.
  
• 1973, 10 September: The Provisional IRA set off bombs at London's King's Cross Station and Euston Station injuring 21 people.^[5]
  
• 1974, 4 February: Eight Soldiers and 4 civilians killed by the Provisional IRA in the M62 coach bombing.
  
• 1974, 17 June: The Provisional IRA planted a bomb which exploded at the Houses of Parliament, causing extensive damage and injuring 11 people.^[6]
  
• 1974, 5 October: Guildford and Woolwich pub bombings by the Provisional IRA left 4 off duty soldiers and a civilian dead and 44 injured.
  
• 1974, 22 October: A bomb planted by the Provisional IRA explodes in London injuring 3 people.^[7]
  
• 1974, 14 November: James Patrick McDade, Lieutenant in the Birmingham Battalion, of the Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA) was killed in a premature explosion whilst planting a bomb at the Coventry telephone exchange in 1974.
  
• 1974, 21 November: The Birmingham pub bombings, 21 killed and 182 injured.
  
• 1974, 18 December: Bomb planted by IRA in the run up to Christmas in one of Bristol's most popular shopping districts explodes injuring 17 people.^[8]
  
• 1975, 8 August: IRA detonate a bomb in the Caterham Arms pub in Surrey, 400yds from the army barracks in Caterham. 25 injured and 8 seriously injured.^[9]
  
• 1975, 27 November: IRA gunmen assassinated political activist and television personality Ross McWhirter.^[10]
  
• 1975, 20 December: The Ulster Defence Association (UDA) bombed Biddy Mulligan's pub in the Kilburn area of London. Five people were injured. It said it bombed the pub because it was frequented by Irish republican sympathizers.^[11]
  
• 1978, 17 December: Another bomb planted by the IRA aimed at the Christmas shoppers in Bristol takes out the department store Maggs injuring seven people.^[12]
  
• 1979, 17 February: The Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF) bombed two pubs frequented by Catholics in Glasgow, Scotland. Both pubs were wrecked and a number of people were wounded. It said it bombed the pubs because they were used for Irish republican fundraising.^[13]
  
• 1979, 30 March: Airey Neave killed when a car bomb exploded under his car as he drove out of the Palace of Westminster car park. The Irish National Liberation Army (INLA) claimed responsibility for the killing.
  
• 1979, 27 August: In 1979, Lord Louis Mountbatten, along with three others, including his grandson Nicholas, was killed by the Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA), who had placed a bomb in his fishing boat, the Shadow V, at Mullaghmore, County Sligo, in Ireland.
  

1980s

• 1980 30 April: The Iranian Embassy siege where a six-man terrorist team held the building for six days until the hostages were rescued by a raid by the SAS which was broadcast live on TV.
  
• 1981 10 October: The IRA detonated a bomb outside the Chelsea Barracks, killing two and injuring 39.
  
• 1981 26 October: The IRA bombed a Wimpy Bar on Oxford Street, killing Kenneth Howorth, the Metropolitan Police explosives officer attempting to defuse it.
  
• 1982 14 March: The bombing of the London ANC offices (African National Congress), wounding one person who was living upstairs. General Johann Coetzee, former head of the South African Security Police, and seven other policemen, claimed responsibility for the attack and applied for amnesty before the Truth and Reconciliation Commission. Coetzee's accomplices were Craig Williamson, John McPherson, Roger Raven, Wybrand du Toit, John Adam, James Taylor and Eugene de Kock.^[14]
  
• 1982 June: Abu Nidal killed the Israeli ambassador in London.^[15]
  
• 1982 20 July: The Hyde Park and Regent's Park bombings in London by the IRA killed eleven members of the Household Cavalry and the Royal Green Jackets.
  
• 1982 30 November: A group called the Animal Rights Militia sent a letter bomb to Margaret Thatcher at 10 Downing Street, the device exploded injuring one person.^[16]
  
• 1983 17 December: Harrods was bombed by the IRA. Six were killed (including three police officers) and 90 wounded during Christmas shopping at the West London department store. (See Harrods bombing)
  
• 1984 12 October: Brighton hotel bombing, 5 killed and several injured in an attempt by the IRA to kill Margaret Thatcher.
  
• 1988 21 December: Pan Am Flight 103 (Lockerbie) blown up by a bomb in a suitcase while in flight over Scotland after taking off from Heathrow. 270 were killed.
  
• 1989 22 September: Deal barracks bombing: Eleven Royal Marines bandsmen killed and 22 injured when base in Deal, Kent, was bombed by the IRA.
  

1990s

• 1990 16 May: Wembley IRA detonated a bomb underneath a minibus killing Sgt Charles Chapman (The Queen's Regiment) and injuring another soldier.
  
• 1990 1 June: Lichfield City railway station 1 soldier killed and 2 injured in a shooting by the Provisional Irish Republican Army
  
• 1990 20 July: The IRA detonated a bomb at the London Stock Exchange causing damage to the building. Nobody was injured in the blast.^[17]
  
• 1990 30 July: Ian Gow MP killed by a car bomb planted by the IRA while at his home in Sussex.
  
• 1991 7 February: The IRA launched three mortar shells at the rear garden of 10 Downing Street.
  
• 1991 18 February: A bomb exploded at Victoria Station. One man killed and 38 people injured.
  
• 1992 28 February: A bomb exploded at London Bridge station injuring 29 people.
  
• 1992 10 April: Baltic Exchange bombing: A large bomb exploded in St Mary Axe in the City of London. The bomb was contained in a large white truck and consisted of a fertilizer device wrapped with a detonation cord made from Semtex. It killed three people: Paul Butt, 29, Baltic Exchange employee Thomas Casey, 49, and 15-year old Danielle Carter. The bomb also caused damage to surrounding buildings, many of which were also badly damaged by the Bishopsgate bombing the following year. The bomb caused £800 million worth of damage, £200 million more than the total damaged caused by the 10,000 explosions that had occurred during the Troubles in Northern Ireland up to that point.^[18]
  
• 1992 25 August: The IRA planted three fire bombs in Shrewsbury, Shropshire. Bombs were placed in Shoplatch, The Charles Darwin Centre and Shrewsbury Castle, the latter causing the most damage as the castle housed the Shropshire Regimental Museum and many priceless historical artifacts were lost and damaged by fire and smoke. No fatalities or injuries were recorded.
  
• 1992 12 October: A device exploded in the gents' toilet of the Sussex Arms public house in Covent Garden killing one person and injuring four others.
  
• 1992 16 November: IRA planted a bomb at the Canary Wharf, but was spotted by security guards. The bomb was deactivated safely.
  
• 1992 3 December: The IRA exploded two bombs in central Manchester, injuring 65 people.^[19]
  
• 1993 20 March: Warrington bomb attacks. The first attack, on a gasworks, created a huge fireball but no casualties, but the second attack on Bridge Street killed two children and injured many other people. The attacks were conducted by the IRA.
  
• 1993 24 April: IRA detonated a huge truck bomb in the City of London at Bishopsgate, It killed journalist Ed Henty, injured over 40 people, and causing approximately £1 billion worth of damage,^[18] including the destruction of St Ethelburga's church, and serious damage to Liverpool St. Tube Station. Police had received a coded warning, but were still evacuating the area at the time of the explosion. The insurance payments required were so enormous, that Lloyd's of London almost went bankrupt under the strain, and there was a crisis in the London insurance market. The area had already suffered damage from the Baltic Exchange bombing the year before. (see 1993 Bishopsgate bombing)
  
• 1994 July: A car-bomb outside the Israeli embassy in London injured fourteen.^[15]
  
• 1994 27 July: A car-bomb outside Balfour House in London, home to a Jewish charity, injuring five.^[15]
  
• 1994 13 August: 2.5 lbs of Semtex packed into a bicycle left outside Woolworths in Bognor Regis, exploded damaging 15 shops. A similar bomb found in nearby Brighton.^[20]
  
• 1995 January: A bomb at a Sikh newspaper office in London, killing the editor.^[21]
  
• 1996 9 February: The IRA bombed the South Quay area of London, killing two people. (see 1996 Docklands bombing)
  
• 1996 15 February: A 5 lb bomb placed in a telephone box disarmed by Police on the Charing Cross Road.
  
• 1996 18 February: An improvised high explosive device detonated prematurely on a bus travelling along Aldwych in central London, killing Edward O'Brien, the IRA operative transporting the device and injuring eight others.
  
• 1996 15 June: The Manchester bombing when the IRA detonated a 1500 kg bomb which heavily damaged the Arndale shopping centre and injured 206 people.
  
• 1997 March: The IRA exploded two bombs in relay boxes near Wilmslow railway station, thereby causing great disruption to rail and road services, in Wilmslow and the surrounding area.
  
• 1999 17 April, 24 April, 30 April: David Copeland set off three nail bombs in London targeting the black, Bangladeshi and gay communities respectively, killing 3 and injuring 129. Convicted of murder on 30 June 2000.
  

Refer also to the list of IRA terrorist incidents presented to Parliament between 1980 and 1994, listed halfway down the page here

2000s

Memorial in London's Hyde Park to the victims of the Islamist 7 July bombings.

• 2000 1 June: Real IRA bomb on Hammersmith Bridge, London
  
• 2000 20 September: Real IRA fired an RPG-22 at the MI6 HQ in London SIS Building
  
• 2001 4 March: The Real IRA detonated a car bomb outside the BBC's main news centre in London. One London Underground worker suffered deep cuts to his eye from flying glass and some damage was caused to the front of the building.^[22] (See 2001 BBC bombing)
  
• 2001 16 April: Hendon post office bombed by the Real IRA.
  
• 2001 6 May: The Real IRA detonated a bomb in a London postal sorting office. One person was injured.^[23]
  
• 2001 3 August: A Real IRA Bomb in Britain explodes in Ealing, West London, injuring seven people.^[24] (See 2001 Ealing bombing)
  
• 2001 4 November: Real IRA car bomb in Birmingham^[25]
  
• 2005 7 July: The 7 July 2005 London bombings conducted by four separate Islamist extremist suicide bombers, killing 56 people and injuring 700.
  
• 2007 January - February: The 2007 United Kingdom letter bombs
  
• 2007 30 June: 2007 Glasgow International Airport attack perpetrated by Islamist extremists.
  
• 2008 22 May: 2008 Exeter attempted bombing by an Islamist extremist, injuring only the perpetrator.
  

2010-present

• 2013 Pavlo Lapshyn attacks. On 29 April, Lapshyn, a Ukrainian student, stabbed Mohammed Saleem, a Birmingham resident to death. He later admitted to police that he wished to start a "race war".^[26] Lapshyn later detonated a home-made bomb outside a mosque in Walsall on 21 June. 150 homes were evacuated but no person was injured.^[26] On 28 May Lapshyn detonated a second home-made bomb near a mosque in Wolverhampton, and attacked a mosque in Tipton with an improvised explosive device containing nails on 12 July. Friday prayers were delayed that day, and so his intended victims were still inside. Laphsyn was later sentenced to serve a minimum of 40 years.^[27][28][29]
  

• 2013 22 May: A British soldier, Lee Rigby, was murdered in an attack in Woolwich by Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale, two Islamist extremists armed with a handgun and a number of bladed implements. Both men were sentenced to life imprisonment, with Adebolajo given a whole life order and Adebowale ordered to serve at least 45 years.^[30]
  

Do you want me to continue to make you look a twat?

bloody hell we have the racist smoke screen now, it would be racist of us to not allow these Muslim girls to not come back even if they are a potential risk for terrorism.

Muslim is not a race it is a religion.

Still conflating totally separate issues I see dodge...




These girls knew exactly what they were doing and made their own intelligent and informed choice to travel thousands of miles to join a bunch of bloodthirsty barbaric terrorists.



They were not the victims here, in fact others were more likely victims of them and their chosen gang of brutal Islamic terrorists.


We do not want their kind here in The UK posing a danger to our citizens.



Dodge, you are totally outnumbered on this issue, why can't you just accept you are wrong on this?


What makes you think you are so right and everyone else wrong?

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:bloody hell we have the racist smoke screen now, it would be racist of us to not allow these Muslim girls to not come back even if they are a potential risk for terrorism.

Muslim is not a race it is a religion.

You're the first to bring up race in this thread.

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:bloody hell we have the racist smoke screen now, it would be racist of us to not allow these Muslim girls to not come back even if they are a potential risk for terrorism.

Muslim is not a race it is a religion.

Nobody said it was a race, Victor went off about whites, being too ignorant to realise Arabs who commit many bombings are Caucasian and white

He realised his stupidity and then fell into making an even bigger fuck up on Non_Muslims blowing people up

Hence he should know when he is out of his depth!

Tommy Monk wrote:Still conflating totally separate issues I see dodge...




These girls knew exactly what they were doing and made their own intelligent and informed choice to travel thousands of miles to join a bunch of bloodthirsty barbaric terrorists.



They were not the victims here, in fact others were more likely victims of them and their chosen gang of brutal Islamic terrorists.


We do not want their kind here in The UK posing a danger to our citizens.



Dodge, you are totally outnumbered on this issue, why can't you just accept you are wrong on this?


What makes you think you are so right and everyone else wrong?

Can you not allow for the high possibility that, being so young, someone else manipulated them into running off to join ISIS in the first place?

Or has your country become so cowardly that you're actually shitting your pants over letting three teen girls in?

Wait, that second question has been emphatically answered in the affirmative all throughout this thread, never mind.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Still conflating totally separate issues I see dodge...




These girls knew exactly what they were doing and made their own intelligent and informed choice to travel thousands of miles to join a bunch of bloodthirsty barbaric terrorists.



They were not the victims here, in fact others were more likely victims of them and their chosen gang of brutal Islamic terrorists.


We do not want their kind here in The UK posing a danger to our citizens.



Dodge, you are totally outnumbered on this issue, why can't you just accept you are wrong on this?


What makes you think you are so right and everyone else wrong?

Can you not allow for the high possibility that, being so young, someone else manipulated them into running off to join ISIS in the first place?

Or has your country become so cowardly that you're actually shitting your pants over letting three teen girls in?

Wait, that second question has been emphatically answered in the affirmative all throughout this thread, never mind.

I am not bothering with Tommy anymore as he is angry at everything and his brain just do not compute anything as he is so filled with anger and fails to grasp anything

In fact all I picture Tommy as when I read his posts is this





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbzJp9thgvc

Nemesis wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:bloody hell we have the racist smoke screen now, it would be racist of us to not allow these Muslim girls to not come back even if they are a potential risk for terrorism.

Muslim is not a race it is a religion.

Nobody said it was a race, Victor went off about whites, being too ignorant to realise Arabs who commit many bombings are Caucasian and white

He realised his stupidity and then fell into making an even bigger fuck up on Non_Muslims blowing people up

Hence he should know when he is out of his depth!

its been about everything but what it really is about Muslim terorrists, it is never about Muslim terrorists because it is never allowed to be about Muslim terrorists, it has to be about certain extremists, grooming, peado's., poor upbringing, a one off, misunderstanding anything but about the Muslim terrorists...

please note the capital m's are not by choice but by the settings imposed by admin...seig heil...