don't let them back in the country!!!

First topic message reminder :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3078579/Three-British-teenage-Jihadi-brides-married-militants-Iraq-run-Isis-escaping.html

they made their bed let them lie on it.

eddie wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:In other words, you can't judge all UK teens by these three or by the three brightest, either.

I'm not bragging here, but my nearly 14 year old son is very knowledge about politics (his own research, debate with us parents, school, love of history  etc etc) so by the time he's 18 he will be a valid voter IMO

So at 16, he'd probably be ok too.

So I agree Ben, you can't judge someone purely by age ALTHOUGH I did read somewhere that a person's decision-making tool thingy in their brain isn't fully developed until the age of 21?

you sadly miss the point like everyone else

its really quite simple

either you can vote (and are therefore an adult and should be treated in ALL respects as an adult, with NO allowance for being "only 16" ...or whatever)

or you are a child (and therefore NOT entitled to vote and gain the advantage of being held to slightly lesser levels of responsibility and standards)

THAT is the point eddie....


I am NOT argueing either for or against the age of voting

just that the ability to vote carries with it the automatic rights AND responsibilities of adulthood

no iff no but and no "maybe's"

Nemesis wrote:

darknessss wrote:ok... the left...in the form of labour consider that 16yo should have the vote
now you have to be adult to vote....
clearly only adults can be allowed to vote for a number of reasons...
also as a voter you are (being an adult) subject to the rights and responsibilities of adult hood (and also the penalties for failure to adhere to those responsibilities
so in that case
why are the left now crying that these are just "children"
either they are children (and thus not subject to the same degree of responsibility ) and therefore should NOT be allowed to vote
OR they are mature enough to vote (and thus subject to the same harshness of law, since they are NOT children)
you cannot have it both ways....

I have answered this already

What I need to understand from you is if you apply the same methodology of what you claim to knowingly go into something which in this case they are children.

So why are some women drawn to abusive me?
Do you blame them for this?
The same with men drawn to abusive women?
Do you blame them for this?


You see this is a very important factor here which sadly and in this example women fall prey to, let alone where you still fail to grasp how many people are pushing Muslims into an all Muslim identity because of the 9/11? What Muslims were not integrating before 9/11? Since the terrorist act that killed thousands, Muslims have seen been seen and viewed with being non-compatible with western society and yet never were before this atrocity. It is society which as shown where people push an isolate a group due to acts committed by some of that group, of which a prime example I showed to you earlier was the Irish, when the IRA was at its height. Irish terrorists also lived amongst us back then as well and were a major issue of which Irish of which I experienced were being pushed away from having any identity with this country. You fil to see how the acts of a substantial part of this nation can alienate groups like it did with the Irish and now how it does with Muslims. You are thus in fact creating far more Muslims vulnerable to turn be radicalized into terrorism, because they are being denied an identity here, which is replicated throughout Europe for example. The Israeli's do not have the same problem with Israeli Arabs, because they do not treat them with the same suspicion, which should be a good example of where providing an identity and making a people a part of a nation denies and decreases the chances of people being isolated in a society and drawn to terrorism. Where they screw up is in the settlements and Jerusalem, which leads to the opposite effect. So we by are very actions and who we view a group are in fact increasing the chances of Muslims drawn to extremism, where being denied an identity of which many do leaves them with the only other identities they know, their former ethnicity or what makes a major part of their lie, religion.

So lets return to what I was saying about those drawn to domestic violence:


However, like any women who has been attracted to an abusive man will know; how they first appear is completely different to who they later become. This is like any other kind of trap that is used to entice someone or something. It has to be appealing and gratifying or it wouldn’t work. And although this man could come across as being a certain way, there is going to many ways that this comes across. It could be that the man is: confident, self assured, funny, supportive, charming, kind or intelligent and many other ways. Together these traits can be powerful, but just one of these traits can be enough to attract a women.

http://www.transformationalwriting.co.uk/blog/relationships-why-are-some-women-attracted-to-abusive-men


Women are attracted to abusive men and one problem many parents actually fear is their child being drawn to the bad boy image, what we have here is the ultimate bad boy image that of ISIS extremists. Its no good thinking they should see how evil these people are, they do not because these same evil people convince them that what they are doing is right and back by religious text. They manipulate girls already not fitting in with society, of which this society is creating, or their parents help create, but what you fail to see is how they are manipulated by some men and the tactics they use:


Shamima Begum, Amira Abase and Kadiza Sultana were just like me: young, Muslim students from east London. They were part of my community, but sadly they were led astray by people with no morals. They fell prey to a form of virus spreading through the internet, brainwashing young women and men in the name of religion, directed by a bunch of radicals working in the human resources department for Isis. They lure young women with talk of companionship and heaven, a promise that makes me wonder if they really know much about their religion: when did killing innocent beings ever get anyone into heaven?
UK police launch hunt for London schoolgirls feared to have fled to Syria It’s either ignorance at its finest or just utter evil, I can’t decide. But what I am sure of is that they’re twisting and bombarding teenage girls in my community with Isis propaganda – distributed via state-of-the-art Silicon Valley software, while railing against westernisation. They advertise Syria like Disneyland, offering teenagers a chance to be “princesses” of the Islamic state, promising love and fun, leaving the victims with two choices: a plane ride to Syria and heaven, or the western world and hell.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/feb/24/Muslim-girls-isis-teenage-east-london

This phenomenon is widespread and not confined to fanatic Islam. Women and girls throughout history have been fatally attracted to fascists, communists, revolutionary armies and serial killers. Sometimes it is the cause that consumes them. I have just returned from Vietnam where, during the many wars that have beset that lovely country, beautiful, innocent young girls volunteered to fight with guerrilla forces and to die.  In Cuba, similarly, teenage girls rushed to join the resistance armies. Much is made of their “beautiful sacrifice”. But did they even understand what they were signing up to? In her book, Women and Guerrilla Movements (2002), Karen Kampwirth suggests that some of the youthful volunteers “want to escape the tedium of their homes, to join another sort of family, start life anew”.


http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-jihadi-girls-are-just-part-of-a-long-line-attracted-to-mad-bad-men-10062909.html




If you understand anything about attraction and how people manipulate others, then any views made by people here about claiming these girls who were groomed and manipulated by ISIS, as to being terrorists, fails to understand anything about vulnerability, alienation, manipulation, attraction and grooming.

So going back to my point, is it tough to you, when women fall for bad men?

Are people manipulated out of money their own fault?

Those who enter a marriage thinking it is out of love, to only be used and manipulated for their money?

Girls and men that have been manipulated into relationships by those who commit domestic violence?

Does anyone here blame any of these people?

If you do blame any of these I just mentioned I would like to hear your reasons why?

If you do not blame any of these I mentioned here, please explain also why?

and if YOU had an ounce of common sense you would have seen that I posted that in response to a request by IRN

darknessss wrote:

Nemesis wrote:


I have answered this already

What I need to understand from you is if you apply the same methodology of what you claim to knowingly go into something which in this case they are children.

So why are some women drawn to abusive me?
Do you blame them for this?
The same with men drawn to abusive women?
Do you blame them for this?


You see this is a very important factor here which sadly and in this example women fall prey to, let alone where you still fail to grasp how many people are pushing Muslims into an all Muslim identity because of the 9/11? What Muslims were not integrating before 9/11? Since the terrorist act that killed thousands, Muslims have seen been seen and viewed with being non-compatible with western society and yet never were before this atrocity. It is society which as shown where people push an isolate a group due to acts committed by some of that group, of which a prime example I showed to you earlier was the Irish, when the IRA was at its height. Irish terrorists also lived amongst us back then as well and were a major issue of which Irish of which I experienced were being pushed away from having any identity with this country. You fil to see how the acts of a substantial part of this nation can alienate groups like it did with the Irish and now how it does with Muslims. You are thus in fact creating far more Muslims vulnerable to turn be radicalized into terrorism, because they are being denied an identity here, which is replicated throughout Europe for example. The Israeli's do not have the same problem with Israeli Arabs, because they do not treat them with the same suspicion, which should be a good example of where providing an identity and making a people a part of a nation denies and decreases the chances of people being isolated in a society and drawn to terrorism. Where they screw up is in the settlements and Jerusalem, which leads to the opposite effect. So we by are very actions and who we view a group are in fact increasing the chances of Muslims drawn to extremism, where being denied an identity of which many do leaves them with the only other identities they know, their former ethnicity or what makes a major part of their lie, religion.

So lets return to what I was saying about those drawn to domestic violence:


However, like any women who has been attracted to an abusive man will know; how they first appear is completely different to who they later become. This is like any other kind of trap that is used to entice someone or something. It has to be appealing and gratifying or it wouldn’t work. And although this man could come across as being a certain way, there is going to many ways that this comes across. It could be that the man is: confident, self assured, funny, supportive, charming, kind or intelligent and many other ways. Together these traits can be powerful, but just one of these traits can be enough to attract a women.

http://www.transformationalwriting.co.uk/blog/relationships-why-are-some-women-attracted-to-abusive-men


Women are attracted to abusive men and one problem many parents actually fear is their child being drawn to the bad boy image, what we have here is the ultimate bad boy image that of ISIS extremists. Its no good thinking they should see how evil these people are, they do not because these same evil people convince them that what they are doing is right and back by religious text. They manipulate girls already not fitting in with society, of which this society is creating, or their parents help create, but what you fail to see is how they are manipulated by some men and the tactics they use:


Shamima Begum, Amira Abase and Kadiza Sultana were just like me: young, Muslim students from east London. They were part of my community, but sadly they were led astray by people with no morals. They fell prey to a form of virus spreading through the internet, brainwashing young women and men in the name of religion, directed by a bunch of radicals working in the human resources department for Isis. They lure young women with talk of companionship and heaven, a promise that makes me wonder if they really know much about their religion: when did killing innocent beings ever get anyone into heaven?
UK police launch hunt for London schoolgirls feared to have fled to Syria It’s either ignorance at its finest or just utter evil, I can’t decide. But what I am sure of is that they’re twisting and bombarding teenage girls in my community with Isis propaganda – distributed via state-of-the-art Silicon Valley software, while railing against westernisation. They advertise Syria like Disneyland, offering teenagers a chance to be “princesses” of the Islamic state, promising love and fun, leaving the victims with two choices: a plane ride to Syria and heaven, or the western world and hell.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/feb/24/Muslim-girls-isis-teenage-east-london

This phenomenon is widespread and not confined to fanatic Islam. Women and girls throughout history have been fatally attracted to fascists, communists, revolutionary armies and serial killers. Sometimes it is the cause that consumes them. I have just returned from Vietnam where, during the many wars that have beset that lovely country, beautiful, innocent young girls volunteered to fight with guerrilla forces and to die.  In Cuba, similarly, teenage girls rushed to join the resistance armies. Much is made of their “beautiful sacrifice”. But did they even understand what they were signing up to? In her book, Women and Guerrilla Movements (2002), Karen Kampwirth suggests that some of the youthful volunteers “want to escape the tedium of their homes, to join another sort of family, start life anew”.


http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-jihadi-girls-are-just-part-of-a-long-line-attracted-to-mad-bad-men-10062909.html




If you understand anything about attraction and how people manipulate others, then any views made by people here about claiming these girls who were groomed and manipulated by ISIS, as to being terrorists, fails to understand anything about vulnerability, alienation, manipulation, attraction and grooming.

So going back to my point, is it tough to you, when women fall for bad men?

Are people manipulated out of money their own fault?

Those who enter a marriage thinking it is out of love, to only be used and manipulated for their money?

Girls and men that have been manipulated into relationships by those who commit domestic violence?

Does anyone here blame any of these people?

If you do blame any of these I just mentioned I would like to hear your reasons why?

If you do not blame any of these I mentioned here, please explain also why?

and if YOU had an ounce of common sense you would have seen that I posted that in response to a request by IRN

So what, your point is redundent and is only viable to any leftist person that backs the view to votes for 16 year olds, hence your lack of any sense on this.
In other words utterly moot

darknessss wrote:

eddie wrote:

I'm not bragging here, but my nearly 14 year old son is very knowledge about politics (his own research, debate with us parents, school, love of history  etc etc) so by the time he's 18 he will be a valid voter IMO

So at 16, he'd probably be ok too.

So I agree Ben, you can't judge someone purely by age ALTHOUGH I did read somewhere that a person's decision-making tool thingy in their brain isn't fully developed until the age of 21?

you sadly miss the point like everyone else

its really quite simple

either you can vote (and are therefore an adult and should be treated in ALL respects as an adult, with NO allowance for being "only 16" ...or whatever)

or you are a child (and therefore NOT entitled to vote and gain the advantage of being held to slightly lesser levels of responsibility and standards)

THAT is the point eddie....


I am NOT argueing either for or against the age of voting

just that the ability to vote carries with it the automatic rights AND responsibilities of adulthood

no iff no but and no "maybe's"

No you are seriously clutching at straws to only people that would view children being adult enough to decide to vote, when as seen their minds do not fully develope until their mid-20's
So what are you even attempting here?
Not much other than you can make the smallest point if some do.

Big deal, give yourself a pat on the back

except didge, the left (as exemplified by labour) have exactly this in mind....

and without exceptions THEIR supporters have run from this question

darknessss wrote:except didge, the left (as exemplified by labour) have exactly this in mind....

and without exceptions THEIR supporters have run from this question

The Labour party of which again not all would agree.
So your argument is based on the views of some people and not even the majority of people. So how even using your argument does this in any way take into context the countless other points made? All you seem to be suggesting is if some agre with lowering the age, this to you makes the child adult to some people or of sound mind to the decision they have made, ignoring again everything stated.

no didge I'm not suggesting lowering the voteing age suddenly makes them an adult (except in LAW) or magically gives em better judgement

what I am saying is that the left (as EXEMPLIFIED by labour) are proposing to allow CHILDREN to vote

which is wrong and is an attempt at gerrymandering the system in their favour.
it smacks of utter desperation....


however ...

back to the point of the OP....

what to do with em


like I said dunno....

mixed feelings

yeah they are living proof that intelligence is not an indicator of good sense

straight A students and they act like this

perhaps we had better spend less time "educating" and more time terrifying our young?

perhaps build a few real dismal dungeons where really bad people are chained to the wall 24/7 and fed gruel

and then show em that this is what awaits the "traitor"

(that was not a serious suggestion BTW.....just in case)

what worries me though is how much they and the rest of these idiots are going to end up costing

a life time of tags and surveillance

they can never again be trusted
nor could they ever do or say anything that would rebuild the trust THEY have destroyed...

Well I back you in that I also think it is wrong for children to vote.

Do not agree on  terrifying our young, as you fail to have a balance and go from either being to soft to being too harsh, one will always negate the other and bring about problems. This is not ancient Sparta you know as how extreme in terrifying our young do you wanna be? In you instill harsh discipline, there is always those who will rebel against this and it will only work to a certain degree. There clearly needs balance, but again when you are looking at their actions, to me you do not take into account all that is a factor that has led to their naive decision.

I understand your reservations, today there is news on how those who have actually been involved out there haev returned and are a serious threat, of which I am talking about actual fighters, not some naive young girls manipulated to join. So yes this is a concern and to me we are taking the wrong approach. If over 21 and they want to leave for one of these terrorist organisations, then fine. They already tend to burn their passports once there in a show of defiance, so make it law if they wish to leave, you make a call to any that want to that they can who are over the age of 21. However, they will sign to release them fromk their citizenship on the UK. They cease to have rights if they decide they wish to join ISIS and are no longer British citizens. Their wish is to join and at this age to me they are of sound mind to do so. Then you have as many extremists and terrorists in an area where they can have their ultimate dream, one of martydom and with any luck the vast majority of them will be killed out there. Why attempt to spend a fortune on those who are going to attempt to go anyway of sound age? Make it public they can leave under this condition and then we rid the country of those who have no wish to conform to our society.

Simple..

Bollocks to them... They knew what they were doing and knew who they were going to join.


They are now terrorists.


Bollocks to them.


I would rather see them dead than back in the country.

Tommy Monk wrote:Bollocks to them... They knew what they were doing and knew who they were going to join.
They are now terrorists.
Bollocks to them.
I would rather see them dead than back in the country.

I see you failed yet again to counter a single point or even prove these naive young girls are terrorists.
Pathetic.

You sound like this idiot from the past:

You join terrorists then you are a terrorist... it's not difficult dodge...

Tommy Monk wrote:You join terrorists then you are a terrorist... it's not difficult dodge...

Dear me, go back and respond to my earlier post where you failed to answer and you now want to make children guilty as being terrorist for no known terrorist act they have committed of which you invent. You also want to make children guilty for being naive and that they were manipulated by ISIS.
Seriously like I said you are this idiot here

You join known TERRORISTS then you are a TERRORIST... SIMPLE!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:You join known TERRORISTS then you are a TERRORIST... SIMPLE!!!

So marrying a terrorist makes you a terrorist by law then does it?

Travelling thousands of miles to join known terrorists makes you a terrorist!



Simple fact dodge...

Tommy Monk wrote:Travelling thousands of miles to join known terrorists makes you a terrorist!



Simple fact dodge...

No facts, you just cannot answer simple questions yet again

they should be locked up and never be released again we can't be sure what they have planned

Tommy Monk wrote:Bollocks to them... They knew what they were doing and knew who they were going to join.


They are now terrorists.


Bollocks to them.


I would rather see them dead than back in the country.

you have a point for sure they are dangerous and cannot be trusted .

Vicar of Dibley wrote:they should be locked up and never be released again we can't be sure what they have planned

So much for Christian forgiveness then for children?
So after they had fled and they convert to Christianity whilst returning would you treat them the same or different?

I asked this once already and you went very quite

they should be locked away and the key thrown away they are dangerous we need to protect innocent people from terrorists

Vicar of Dibley wrote:they should be locked away and the key thrown away they are dangerous we need to protect innocent people from terrorists

So much for Christian forgiveness then for children?
So after they had fled and they convert to Christianity whilst returning would you treat them the same or different?

Third time asking.

Vicar of Dibley wrote:they should be locked away and the key thrown away they are dangerous we need to protect innocent people from terrorists

yep agree totally

They are not innocent and neither are They children...



They are dangerous terrorists.

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:they should be locked away and the key thrown away they are dangerous we need to protect innocent people from terrorists

yep agree totally

So much for Christian forgiveness then for children?
So after they had fled and they convert to Christianity whilst returning would you treat them the same or different?

Second time asking, as you were asked yesterday


It is interesting as you both claims to adhere to the Christian faith.

From what I read they are both pregnant, who will pay for the births and after care? Will they get a flat and other freebee's. Will ISIS pay the bill?

Tommy Monk wrote:They are not innocent and neither are They children...



They are dangerous terrorists.

No they are not known terrorists, which shows you do not even know what a terrorist is, as what terrorist act did they commit?
How many as well that returned from the conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq who did actually fight with the Taliban and the insurgents in Iraq have committed terrorist acts in the West let alone the UK? In fact we have had many return, so you should be able to post countless examples?
In this case all we have here is 3 young naive vulnerable girls that were lured and groomed to join ISIS with indoctrination, which only makes them terrorist sympathizers if we are to believe your assumptions, of which they are just that assumptions

Which leads back to my other points below:

1) You believe they are actually terrorists coming back to commit an act of terror based on nothing more than an assumption.

2) They were groomed as vulnerable young girls, of which does happen, of which they can be many reasons they reach out to something that makes them part of something which until now they have never felt accepted.

3) If they are terrorists, what are they capable of being as they have had little time to make bombs which takes years of experience and to even handle guns, of which takes training. What is left then, a knife or someone making a bomb for them, which they have more chance of blowing themselves up of which does happen to inexperienced suicide bombers.

4) Now clearly either they have fled and want to come back or we believe like you they are a threat. Then they would be placed into the deradicalization programs and would be monitored. They are not going to leave someone they still perceive as a threat onto society, without keeping tabs on them. What clearly is the best option is deradicalization and even to turn such people to help prevent others from falling to this grooming methods.

The point is what you have first have to learn and understand is how there is vulnerable girls out there who are Muslim that do not feel they are fitting into society of which this society is not helping in how I explained to you last night because they are not being seen as British and viewed with suspicion. This are an easy target for the ISIS brigade to make them feel they are welcomed into a society from one that they are feeling alien in. The fact is we should be looking out for all young girls that are vulnerable and parents also have a part to play here.

nicko wrote:From what I read they are both pregnant,  who will pay for the births and after care?  Will they get a flat and  other freebee's. Will ISIS  pay the bill?  

Are you having a bubble bath, so now the babies are guilty also?

nicko wrote:From what I read they are both pregnant,  who will pay for the births and after care?  Will they get a flat and  other freebee's. Will ISIS  pay the bill?  

the stupid country will of course they are not children they are common whores

Nemesis wrote:

nicko wrote:From what I read they are both pregnant,  who will pay for the births and after care?  Will they get a flat and  other freebee's. Will ISIS  pay the bill?  

Are you having a bubble bath, so now the babies are guilty also?

common whores

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

nicko wrote:From what I read they are both pregnant,  who will pay for the births and after care?  Will they get a flat and  other freebee's. Will ISIS  pay the bill?  

the stupid country will of course they are not children they are common whores

So much for Christian forgiveness then for children?
So after they had fled and they convert to Christianity whilst returning would you treat them the same or different?

Fourth time asking.

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

Nemesis wrote:


Are you having a bubble bath, so now the babies are guilty also?

common whores

Is that how Jesus spoke to children then?

they don't believe in Jesus so it doesn't matter you silly moo they are common whores of islam

New born babies are always innocent, the Mothers aren't. Will you pay for their up bringing?

they are not children they are over 16 and now pregnant common whores

Vicar of Dibley wrote:they don't believe in Jesus so it doesn't matter you silly moo they are common whores of islam

Actually Muslims do believe in Jesus, in fact he is very much revered in Islam.

So again

So much for Christian forgiveness then for children?
So after they had fled and they convert to Christianity whilst returning would you treat them the same or different?

Fifth time asking.

Vicar of Dibley wrote:they are not children they are over 16 and now pregnant   common whores

Legally they still are children

http://www.nspcc.org.uk/preventing-abuse/child-protection-system/legal-definition-child-rights-law/legal-definitions/

When you travel thousands of miles to join ISIS who are known terrorists then you are a terrorist.



Next we'll have dodge telling us their terrorist husbands will have to be allowed to come here to UK too, as they have a right to a family life...

Tommy Monk wrote:When you travel thousands of miles to join ISIS who are known terrorists then you are a terrorist.



Next we'll have dodge telling us their terrorist husbands will have to be allowed to come here to UK too, as they have a right to a family life...

Try again as inventing bullshit and not reading my reply to victor shows you are losing the plot:


No they are not known terrorists, which shows you do not even know what a terrorist is, as what terrorist act did they commit?
How many as well that returned from the conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq who did actually fight with the Taliban and the insurgents in Iraq have committed terrorist acts in the West let alone the UK? In fact we have had many return, so you should be able to post countless examples?
In this case all we have here is 3 young naive vulnerable girls that were lured and groomed to join ISIS with indoctrination, which only makes them terrorist sympathizers if we are to believe your assumptions, of which they are just that assumptions

Which leads back to my other points below:

1) You believe they are actually terrorists coming back to commit an act of terror based on nothing more than an assumption.

2) They were groomed as vulnerable young girls, of which does happen, of which they can be many reasons they reach out to something that makes them part of something which until now they have never felt accepted.

3) If they are terrorists, what are they capable of being as they have had little time to make bombs which takes years of experience and to even handle guns, of which takes training. What is left then, a knife or someone making a bomb for them, which they have more chance of blowing themselves up of which does happen to inexperienced suicide bombers.

4) Now clearly either they have fled and want to come back or we believe like you they are a threat. Then they would be placed into the deradicalization programs and would be monitored. They are not going to leave someone they still perceive as a threat onto society, without keeping tabs on them. What clearly is the best option is deradicalization and even to turn such people to help prevent others from falling to this grooming methods.

The point is what you have first have to learn and understand is how there is vulnerable girls out there who are Muslim that do not feel they are fitting into society of which this society is not helping in how I explained to you last night because they are not being seen as British and viewed with suspicion. This are an easy target for the ISIS brigade to make them feel they are welcomed into a society from one that they are feeling alien in. The fact is we should be looking out for all young girls that are vulnerable and parents also have a part to play here.

Didge, you would be totally useless as a soldier in a war, your too soft.

Tommy Monk wrote:When you travel thousands of miles to join ISIS who are known terrorists then you are a terrorist.



Next we'll have dodge telling us their terrorist husbands will have to be allowed to come here to UK too, as they have a right to a family life...

personally i think they should have been banned from coming back they decided to go maybe they came back because they are pregnant and know that the only place they will get help is this country .

nicko wrote:Didge, you would be totally useless as a soldier in a war,  your too soft.

On killing girls?
Glad I would never have to make such a choice Nicko, as we are talking about girls here. We are not talking here like some of the nutter extremists out there, older women, adults carrying kalashnikovs willing to use them. You can shoot them and I would not bat an eyelid, but children here who were uttely naive nicko, different story altogether and you know it. Many soldiers would also refrain from killing children and have read many accounts on this. For example Russians would not take any Waffen SS prisoners, though if under 18, they tended to not execute them and why?
Because they were still children and that conflict was full of barbarity.

Catch you later

Bollocks to them.

Tommy Monk wrote:Bollocks to them.

yep

According to Scotland Yard source, number of terror-related arrests made in the United Kingdom has reached record levels in the past 12 months.

UK Police Arrest Slough Man on Suspicion of Terrorism Financing
MOSCOW (Sputnik) – The number of terror-related arrests made in the United Kingdom has reached record levels in the past 12 months, with 338 persons detained on suspicion of terrorist activities, a top Scotland Yard source said Thursday.
"We are talking about an arrest a day… That is extraordinary," Scotland Yard Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley said, as quoted by the Evening Standard.
The total figure for the past year marks a 33 percent increase on the 254 terrorism-related arrests recorded in the 12 months ending in April 2014.
About half of the arrests in the past year were directly linked to the Syrian conflict.

Tommy Monk wrote:According to Scotland Yard source, number of terror-related arrests made in the United Kingdom has reached record levels in the past 12 months.

UK Police Arrest Slough Man on Suspicion of Terrorism Financing
MOSCOW (Sputnik) – The number of terror-related arrests made in the United Kingdom has reached record levels in the past 12 months, with 338 persons detained on suspicion of terrorist activities, a top Scotland Yard source said Thursday.
"We are talking about an arrest a day… That is extraordinary," Scotland Yard Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley said, as quoted by the Evening Standard.
The total figure for the past year marks a 33 percent increase on the 254 terrorism-related arrests recorded in the 12 months ending in April 2014.
About half of the arrests in the past year were directly linked to the Syrian conflict.

One of them is a 16-year old girl.

Not another innocent and vulnerable young child who has absolutely no control or responsibility for her actions...!?

What's the latest on these girls? Are they still alive? Have they been captured.