don't let them back in the country!!!

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they made their bed let them lie on it.

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Nemesis wrote:

You do not have a point because already you fail to understand how girls are groomed. You have jumped the relevant part and gone straight to where they have already gone to join, never understanding what has enticed them to do so.
Which leads back to the point which at every turn you have failed to answer:


Do you understand the methodology behind grooming young girls?

what!!! are girls groomed to go to a foreign country , with the idea of raping them just to let them walk out again???

that is just so unreal...

Yes girls are groomed to go to another country, what did you miss in all the evidence so far pointed out to you?
Seriously, it is again you now closing your eyes and putting your fingers in your ears, going "la la la la la la"

So again

Do you understand the methodology behind grooming young girls?

This is about the 18th time I have asked

Who says these girls were "groomed" anyway? I thought nobody had any evidence of that.

Raggamuffin wrote:Who says these girls were "groomed" anyway? I thought nobody had any evidence of that.

There is plenty of evidence they are being groomed on twitter, the evidence os all there and why some where even noticed by the Police.

So again

Do you understand the methodology behind grooming young girls?

Nemesis wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Who says these girls were "groomed" anyway? I thought nobody had any evidence of that.

There is plenty of evidence they are being groomed on twitter, the evidence os all there and why some where even noticed by the Police.

So again

Do you understand the methodology behind grooming young girls?

what is the point of asking but, why did they groom these girls, though i haven't seen any evidence to support that claim, to get them to leave their country and family to go to Isis, only to let them walk out again and come back here,

How many people have walked out of ISIS?

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Nemesis wrote:

There is plenty of evidence they are being groomed on twitter, the evidence os all there and why some where even noticed by the Police.

So again

Do you understand the methodology behind grooming young girls?

what is the point of asking but, why did they groom these girls, though i haven't seen any evidence to support that claim, to get them to leave their country and family to go to Isis, only to let them walk out again and come back here,

How many people have walked out of ISIS?

You asked this already, so why are you just repeating yourself?
Seriously, how much of the evidcence posted for you did you actually read?
Or did you like I said, close your eyes and put your fingers in your ears and go "la la la la la la "?

No idea how many hnave fled Isis, but from what I understand it is many.


Now again:

Do you understand the methodology behind grooming young girls?

So these girls are offered money to go out there? Well it's their own fault for being so greedy.

Nemesis wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
what is the point of asking but, why did they groom these girls, though i haven't seen any evidence to support that claim, to get them to leave their country and family to go to Isis, only to let them walk out again and come back here,

How many people have walked out of ISIS?

You asked this already, so why are you just repeating yourself?
Seriously, how much of the evidcence posted for you did you actually read?
Or did you like I said, close your eyes and put your fingers in your ears and go "la la la la la la "?

No idea how many hnave fled Isis, but from what I understand it is many.


Now again:

Do you understand the methodology behind grooming young girls?

because your answer makes no sense, I have seen no evidence of grooming, there is no reason for ISIS to get them there then let them go, in case you have forgotten they are a terrorist group and tend to rape and kill and behead people...

Raggamuffin wrote:So these girls are offered money to go out there? Well it's their own fault for being so greedy.

Is that the only reason or are you deciding that is the case?

The think I have come to understand about you Rags is its everyone else's fault on nearly everything.

That is very telling

Now is anyone going to even attempt to answer

Do you understand the methodology behind grooming young girls?

Drugs mules are offered money to smuggle drugs - does that make them "victims"?

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Nemesis wrote:

You asked this already, so why are you just repeating yourself?
Seriously, how much of the evidcence posted for you did you actually read?
Or did you like I said, close your eyes and put your fingers in your ears and go "la la la la la la "?

No idea how many hnave fled Isis, but from what I understand it is many.


Now again:

Do you understand the methodology behind grooming young girls?

because your answer makes no sense, I have seen no evidence of grooming, there is no reason for ISIS to get them there then let them go, in case you have forgotten they are a terrorist group and tend to rape and kill and behead people...

Look its not my fault, you cannot function your brain or how you have not even clearly read all the evidence presented on this because clearly you have not by asking me again. Who says ISIS are letting them go, when many are fleeing?
You are making assumptions.

So again go back and read the evidence and

Do you understand the methodology behind grooming young girls?

Raggamuffin wrote:Drugs mules are offered money to smuggle drugs - does that make them "victims"?

excellent point but it will only end up on the magic roundabout with didge....

Raggamuffin wrote:Drugs mules are offered money to smuggle drugs - does that make them "victims"?

Are they groomed?

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Drugs mules are offered money to smuggle drugs - does that make them "victims"?

excellent point but it will only end up on the magic roundabout with didge....

Some people are also desperate when enticed to carry drugs, did you know this also?

Also we are not talking about grooning with drug carrying in regards to young girls are we?

Do you understand the methodology behind grooming young girls?

wriggle wriggle lefties

You dont see it do you

You are so blinded by your own voices that you cant see how stupid you have just made yourselves look

i mean we have just had a whole page of crap from didge about wife beaters (irrelevant...for a number of reasons)

and a whole load of psychobabble about "bad boys with guns"

and the we have sassy comparing it to paedophiles

BOTH considering these 16 yo to be "children"

RIGHT...OK they are "children"

and perhaps we should just put em on the naughty step
fat lot that will do but still
maybe, just maybe, they will have had such a vile time over there they might be "grateful" for the relative security to be found amongst all us Muslim haters

HOWEVER


THAT was NOT my point

and the left have run from it like sheep from a wolf...baaaaaaaaa!


YOU consider these people to be only "children"...presumably becasue they are only 16

SO WHY DO THE LEFT want to give 16 Yo's the vote??? if they are but children and incapable of making mature decisions

Oh I get it.....

kids are dumb and tend to be lefties by nature
and of course can be influenced by teachers whom we know to be in the amin rabid lefties

Thats the point ...more lefty dual standards and "flexibility"

all in the name of "equality mind you...not a thought of "vote rigging" there is there

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Drugs mules are offered money to smuggle drugs - does that make them "victims"?

excellent point but it will only end up on the magic roundabout with didge....

Good afternoon HF.

You are totally correct in what you say about Dodge as he just posts for the sake of posting.That's why I have him on ignore.

Dodge, they made their choice to go and join what they and everyone else knew was a brutal and barbaric Islamic regime...


They did that off their own backs.



They are the same terrorists now as those they went to join.


So bollocks to them...

Shady wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
excellent point but it will only end up on the magic roundabout with didge....

Good afternoon HF.

You are totally correct in what you say about Dodge as he just posts for the sake of posting.That's why I have him on ignore.

good afternoon captain, long time no see, fair winds and calm seas i hope...

he goes round in circles posts lots of words that say nothing, he has a career in politics that is for sure...

darknessss wrote:wriggle wriggle lefties

You dont see it do you

You are so blinded by your own voices that you cant see how stupid you have just made yourselves look

i mean we have just had a whole page of crap from didge about wife beaters (irrelevant...for a number of reasons)

and a whole load of psychobabble about "bad boys with guns"

and the we have sassy comparing it to paedophiles

BOTH considering these 16 yo to be "children"

RIGHT...OK they are "children"

and perhaps we should just put em on the naughty step    
fat lot that will do but still
maybe, just maybe, they will have had such a vile time over there they might be "grateful" for the relative security to be found amongst all us Muslim haters

HOWEVER


THAT was NOT my point

and the left have run from it like sheep from a wolf...baaaaaaaaa!


YOU consider these people to be only "children"...presumably becasue they are only 16

SO WHY DO THE LEFT want to give 16 Yo's the vote??? if they are but children and incapable of making mature decisions

Oh I get it.....

kids are dumb and tend to be lefties by nature
and of course can be influenced by teachers whom we know to be in the amin rabid lefties

Thats the point ...more lefty dual standards and "flexibility"

all in  the name of "equality mind you...not a thought of "vote rigging" there is there

Good afternoon Darkness.

Good post sir which reinforces what I said earlier.These girls knew what they were doing as they must have used the internet in one way or another to facilitate their journey to Syria.

If they have access to the internet,then no doubt they have looked the myriad of available information relating to ISIS atrocities........And they still went there.

People like them & heir families are unfit to live in a civilized society & are better off with their kind & creed in Syria.

Tommy Monk wrote:Dodge, they made their choice to go and join what they and everyone else knew was a brutal and barbaric Islamic regime...


They did that off their own backs.



They are the same terrorists now as those they went to join.


So bollocks to them...

spot on tommy

they can only be coming back to Britain to cause trouble.

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Shady wrote:

Good afternoon HF.

You are totally correct in what you say about Dodge as he just posts for the sake of posting.That's why I have him on ignore.

good afternoon captain, long time no see, fair winds and calm seas i hope...

he goes round in circles posts lots of words that say nothing, he has a career in politics that is for sure...

Yes & that career would be with the Labour party.Full of left wing idiot failures who just talk shit & shit & more shit.

He'd be perfect there.

Shady wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
good afternoon captain, long time no see, fair winds and calm seas i hope...

he goes round in circles posts lots of words that say nothing, he has a career in politics that is for sure...

Yes & that career would be with the Labour party.Full of left wing idiot failures who just talk shit & shit & more shit.

He'd be perfect there.

they certainly would not run out of shit while he was there...

Dodge said...

"...

The think I have come to understand about you Rags is its everyone else's fault on nearly everything...."





It's more like that with you defending the indefensible...!!!

darknessss wrote:wriggle wriggle lefties
Ignorance

You dont see it do you
Clearly you do not

You are so blinded by your own voices that you cant see how stupid you have just made yourselves look
Which shows your ignorance to what grooming is

i mean we have just had a whole page of crap from didge about wife beaters (irrelevant...for a number of reasons)
So all you can do is offer your complete load of bollocks in return

and a whole load of psychobabble about "bad boys with guns"
And offer nothing to refute this

and the we have sassy comparing it to paedophiles
ISIS are filled with paedophiles, are you now trying to deny this when thier ideology backs this view to have young girls


BOTH considering these 16 yo to be "children"
Yes they are children

RIGHT...OK they are "children"
Well done dumbo

and perhaps we should just put em on the naughty step    
fat lot that will do but still
maybe, just maybe, they will have had such a vile time over there they might be "grateful" for the relative security to be found amongst all us Muslim haters
So basically now according to victim we should place all vunerable teens on the naughty step, they are of course not ever having any issues, they are fully okay with their lives and Victor seems to know them all
What a twat
HOWEVER


THAT was NOT my point

and the left have run from it like sheep from a wolf...baaaaaaaaa!
Boring drivel again

YOU consider these people to be only "children"...presumably becasue they are only 16
Yes they are children

SO WHY DO THE LEFT want to give 16 Yo's the vote??? if they are but children and incapable of making mature decisions
Yet unable to buy alcohol or smokes and no I do not think they should be given the vote because they are still children

Oh I get it.....
No you grasp very little

kids are dumb and tend to be lefties by nature
and of course can be influenced by teachers whom we know to be in the amin rabid lefties
More drivel again, seriously stop talking utter shite

Thats the point ...more lefty dual standards and "flexibility"
Yes more drivel from Victor

all in  the name of "equality mind you...not a thought of "vote rigging" there is there
All in the name of your ignorance it seems

So as per usual the ignorance is complete

Lets ask the simple question here


Are you claiming they are not trying to groom young girls here because it seems your ability and hate for Islam is denying you the ability to be impartial once agin

All this bollocks about leftism has dulled your brain it seems because for one I am not left, so that can be thrown out straight to away.

So you are saying none of these girls are vulnerable in any capacity?

Lets start with these simple points which seem to elude you?

Tommy Monk wrote:Dodge said...

"...

The think I have come to understand about you Rags is its everyone else's fault on nearly everything...."





It's more like that with you defending the indefensible...!!!

that is very true...

So clearly Tommy thinks its the victims fault of grooming and yet still cannot answer some simple questions

Do you understand the methodology behind grooming young girls?

He also thinks its amusing as well to laugh about such things where such young girls are abuse

That is a tad worrying really

Nemesis wrote:So clearly Tommy thinks its the victims fault of grooming and yet still cannot answer some simple questions

Do you understand the methodology behind grooming young girls?

He also thinks its amusing as well to laugh about such things where such young girls are abuse

That is a tad worrying really

what grooming??

how did they escape to try to get back??

Tommy Monk wrote:Dodge said...

"...

The think I have come to understand about you Rags is its everyone else's fault on nearly everything...."





It's more like that with you defending the indefensible...!!!

That came from someone who tries to blame everyone except the person who committed the crime.

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Nemesis wrote:So clearly Tommy thinks its the victims fault of grooming and yet still cannot answer some simple questions

Do you understand the methodology behind grooming young girls?

He also thinks its amusing as well to laugh about such things where such young girls are abuse

That is a tad worrying really

what grooming??

how did they escape to try to get back??

How do any girls groomed escape from where they are to meet groomers?

Again

Do you understand the methodology behind grooming young girls?


Now you have so much evidence placed before you and at every turn ignore it and why, because you do not like the truth, you would rather have young girls have been groomed and gone to ISIS then seen the nightmare they are in, flee and you would deny them coming back, why?

Do you hate young girls that have fallen prey to grooming?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Dodge said...

"...

The think I have come to understand about you Rags is its everyone else's fault on nearly everything...."





It's more like that with you defending the indefensible...!!!

That came from someone who tries to blame everyone except the person who committed the crime.

Yes because as seen you are excusing the groomers of the crime and making the victims guilty of a crime and then smile about it.

Quite sick really, as imagine these were Christian girls groomed and turned to Islam by their grooming and then realise the horror of their mistake, would you deny these Christian girls back here?

Has anyone explained what this "grooming" consists of yet? I've read that the girls are offered money to go to Syria, but that's not grooming. They could just get a Saturday job if they want to earn money.

Raggamuffin wrote:Has anyone explained what this "grooming" consists of yet? I've read that the girls are offered money to go to Syria, but that's not grooming. They could just get a Saturday job if they want to earn money.

Plenty of links on this thread, may I suggest you read them

Even the daily mail gets it right


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2966116/How-British-jihadi-brides-groomed-ISIS-using-phone-messaging-app-brainwashing-Twitter.html

ISlam is full of peados as they think it is right to follow the example of their peado prophet Mohammed...




Bollocks to those girls, they made their beds now they can lay in them!



They went there knowig exactly what it was they were doing.


They were grade a students so quite intelligent enough to know the reality and brutality of the ISIS terrorists min they willingly sought out and travelled thousands of miles to join.


I'd rather see them dead than back in this country... they are traitors and not one British person should be put at risk by their return.

AHHH...So you DONT think 16 yo should be given the vote....

odd but there you are

one could say in that case ...if the cap fits wear it...if it dont at least try to read wht the other guy is saying...

see...my problem was ...all along..... the duality of thought that allows the lefty to inhabit two places at once...

however you ARE a liberalist

and as such i do note that you have NO IDEA what should be done with these gonks.....

I can only assume from your lack of solution that the only thing you would do is let em back in and then forget about them...maybe give them a shed load of expensive "help" (paid for of course at the expense of the poor of this nation)

I certainly dont know what we could sensibly do....
but I dont liken them to the victims of paedophiles
It is just not that simple....

I truely hope they had a really vile time of it whilst out there

THAT may just remind them that "here " is actally not such a bad place after all.

darknessss wrote:AHHH...So you DONT think 16 yo should be given the vote....
Nope

odd but there you are
Yep bang goes your argument

one could say in that case ...if the cap fits wear it...if it dont at least try to read wht the other guy is saying...
Boring

see...my problem was ...all along..... the duality of thought that allows the lefty to inhabit two places at once...
Who says all left agree with the vote at that age, hence the absurdity of your claim

however you ARE a liberalist
No center right, showing again how you have the cheek to decide what I am and yet bemoan others getting you wrong

and as such i do note that you have NO IDEA what should be done with these gonks.....
Really based on your drivel?

I can only assume from your lack of solution that the only thing you would do is let em back in and then forget about them...maybe give them a shed load of expensive "help" (paid for of course at the expense of the poor of this nation)
Again nothing to actually answer my points but more drivel

I certainly dont know what we could sensibly do....
but I dont liken them to the victims of paedophiles
It is just not that simple....
Well then you fail to understand the fact that ISIS ideology backs sex with young girls

I truely hope they had a really vile time of it whilst out there
So young vulnerable girls groomed who are victims of grooming suffer even more than other victims o grooming>

THAT may just remind them that "here " is actally not such a bad place after all.

Maybe next time you could actually address the questions

What about this tweet that one of the girls from Bethnal Green allegedly posted? Does anyone think it was fake, or that it wasn't her?

Tommy Monk wrote:ISlam is full of peados as they think it is right to follow the example of their peado prophet Mohammed...




Bollocks to those girls, they made their beds now they can lay in them!



They went there knowig exactly what it was they were doing.


They were grade a students so quite intelligent enough to know the reality and brutality of the ISIS terrorists min they willingly sought out and travelled thousands of miles to join.


I'd rather see them dead than back in this country... they are traitors and not one British person should be put at risk by their return.

There you have it, Tommy does not care for any girls who are groomed by grooming of which ISIS are paedo's, so he finds some peado's okay to commit abuse to young girls, being as ISIS are raping countless young girls.
Nobody in their right mind would wish any girl to be a victim to them, except Tommy of course

Even the daily Mail disagrees with you

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2966116/How-British-jihadi-brides-groomed-ISIS-using-phone-messaging-app-brainwashing-Twitter.html

since you are doinfg nothing but waffle its difficult to adress any so called questions ....


so what would you have done about this???

darknessss wrote:since you are doinfg nothing but waffle  its difficult to adress any so called questions ....


so what would you have done about this???

Copout reply

I gave you points to address and now you provide feeble excuse

Pathetic mate

How do you tackle any problem where girls are vulnerable to grooming?

If you understand the problems of grooming, you should be able to answer like as asked already

what bloody grooming????????

if they were groomed and talked in to going to another country, they sent messages to say they got there and it was ok, so how did ISIS that groomed them just let them walk away, I assume they wanted them for a reason...

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:what bloody grooming????????

if they were groomed and talked in to going to another country, they sent messages to say they got there and it was ok, so how did ISIS that groomed them just let them walk away, I assume they wanted them for a reason...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2966116/How-British-jihadi-brides-groomed-ISIS-using-phone-messaging-app-brainwashing-Twitter.html

I don't believe those girls could have been "groomed" to do something they didn't want to do. They treated their families very badly and went half way across the world to hook up with some blokes.

Raggamuffin wrote:I don't believe those girls could have been "groomed" to do something they didn't want to do. They treated their families very badly and went half way across the world to hook up with some blokes.

I cannot believe they just walked away if they got to ISIS, it makes no sense..

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:I don't believe those girls could have been "groomed" to do something they didn't want to do. They treated their families very badly and went half way across the world to hook up with some blokes.

I cannot believe they just walked away if they got to ISIS, it makes no sense..

I don't know about that. I don't know if someone guards them once they're there or what.

Raggamuffin wrote:I don't believe those girls could have been "groomed" to do something they didn't want to do. They treated their families very badly and went half way across the world to hook up with some blokes.

Of course you do not want to believe.
How many other young girls vulnerable to grooming keep hidden what terrible events are going on in their lives?
Do you understand anything in regards to vulnerable girls, those in care, who are crying out?
Do you not realise many are naive?
Do these facts escape you?

Here this will help you

http://www.nspcc.org.uk/preventing-abuse/child-abuse-and-neglect/child-sexual-exploitation/research-and-resources/

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:I don't believe those girls could have been "groomed" to do something they didn't want to do. They treated their families very badly and went half way across the world to hook up with some blokes.

I cannot believe they just walked away if they got to ISIS, it makes no sense..

How can you believe anything in this story? You weren't there, after all.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
I cannot believe they just walked away if they got to ISIS, it makes no sense..

How can you believe anything in this story? You weren't there, after all.

I was working on logic , I can understand why that concept seems alien to you...

Raggamuffin wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
I cannot believe they just walked away if they got to ISIS, it makes no sense..

I don't know about that. I don't know if someone guards them once they're there or what.

well lets face it , it would be great information for people to know, especially certain people, where these groups are, so from the point of a security risk, three girls marching in then marching out is pretty crazy, on another point if they had gone through the process of getting these girls there the idea of then letting them walk off would not ring true either...

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
I cannot believe they just walked away if they got to ISIS, it makes no sense..

How can you believe anything in this story? You weren't there, after all.

I was working on logic , I can understand why that concept seems alien to you...

You don't accept any other logical argument for scientific claims; why would you take some logical argument in this?

Oh, wait -- because this tells you what you already want to believe. Got it in one!