Growth of ethnic minorities 'could undermine English identity'

stardesk wrote:Mention has been made of Australia and America being populated by migrants. But please consider, apart from the indigenous peoples, just 500 years ago, (with America) they were new worlds, to be explored and populated by mostly Brits and Europeans, with the hopes of a better life, then later blacks and other nations. Whereas Britain started to be populated as far back as 10,000 years ago, when it was still attached to Europe.

We've had a long, long time in which to cultivate a national identity, a heritage, traditions and etc etc. We are a nation that is now losing those traditions and heritage, being watered down. We are losing our identity. I'm British through and through, and don't like what I see around me, my country aint what it used to be. And no, it isn't a racist attitude, or living in the past. It's seeing my way of life being destroyed. Like an animal defending its patch, I want to do the same.

There, I've bared my heart and soul from a nostalgic point of view. Make of it what you will and throw the muck around.

Shady wrote:

stardesk wrote:Mention has been made of Australia and America being populated by migrants. But please consider, apart from the indigenous peoples, just 500 years ago, (with America) they were new worlds, to be explored and populated by mostly Brits and Europeans, with the hopes of a better life, then later blacks and other nations. Whereas Britain started to be populated as far back as 10,000 years ago, when it was still attached to Europe.

We've had a long, long time in which to cultivate a national identity, a heritage, traditions and etc etc. We are a nation that is now losing those traditions and heritage, being watered down. We are losing our identity. I'm British through and through, and don't like what I see around me, my country aint what it used to be. And no, it isn't a racist attitude, or living in the past. It's seeing my way of life being destroyed. Like an animal defending its patch, I want to do the same.

There, I've bared my heart and soul from a nostalgic point of view. Make of it what you will and throw the muck around.

Good afternoon Stardesk.

But the problem is,you are speaking the truth which makes you a bigot.....in the eyes of a real bigot.

In relation to what you say about how we are being destroyed/changed I'll say this again.....This country is a ticking time bomb.

Tesstacious wrote:

Shady wrote:

Good afternoon Stardesk.

But the problem is,you are speaking the truth which makes you a bigot.....in the eyes of a real bigot.

In relation to what you say about how we are being destroyed/changed I'll say this again.....This country is a ticking time bomb.

Not just this country though...

A story in the Bild magazine on the development was headlined: “We are the last 3 German children in our German school."   Kreuzberg in Berlin has long been a destination for Turkish immigration into the German capital, and now the inevitable point has been reached where Germans have been ethnically cleansed from that part of the city.  In the playground Talina (11), Svenja (11) and Jason (9) can’t understand a word. Because, here, their classmates only speak Turkish and Arabic, the Bild article continued.  Here 99 percent of the 313 pupils have an immigrant (Muslim) background. For 285 of those, the parents receive financial support from the state.

The German children are teased about being ‘pork eaters’. Her classmate Svenja: “I wish there were more pupils who could speak my language.” Jason’s mother says: “It’s not good that there are so few German children at the school.”

According to Berlin government statistics, 90 percent of the inhabitants of certain areas of Kreuzberg live below the poverty level and subsist on taxpayer handouts—making a mockery of the liberal claim that immigration into Europe is needed to “keep the pension system and economy running.”

http://newobserveronline.com/the-extermination-of-whites-in-europe-we-are-the-last-3-german-children-in-our-school/

stardesk wrote:Mention has been made of Australia and America being populated by migrants. But please consider, apart from the indigenous peoples, just 500 years ago, (with America) they were new worlds, to be explored and populated by mostly Brits and Europeans, with the hopes of a better life, then later blacks and other nations. Whereas Britain started to be populated as far back as 10,000 years ago, when it was still attached to Europe.

We've had a long, long time in which to cultivate a national identity, a heritage, traditions and etc etc. We are a nation that is now losing those traditions and heritage, being watered down. We are losing our identity. I'm British through and through, and don't like what I see around me, my country aint what it used to be. And no, it isn't a racist attitude, or living in the past. It's seeing my way of life being destroyed. Like an animal defending its patch, I want to do the same.

There, I've bared my heart and soul from a nostalgic point of view. Make of it what you will and throw the muck around.

Tommy Monk wrote:Define what you mean by 'small group'?

victorisnotamused wrote:what a load of crap..

cultural pessimism....the new progressives "idea" to use as an argument...a straw man which has no demonstrable actuality.
That shows you again know little of history, it has been a concept for well over a hundred years and is found throughout centuries of British and English history, hey you might want to look at something we advocate called evolution, which was seen back then as view that would bring moral decline to the British Empire, promoted of course by the Church.

even if its only ONE school...its one too many...what is it about "if you move to another country you speak the host countries language" yo fail to understand???  Oh and BEFORE you bring up the crap about british ex pats...they are just as wrong...
Again poor argument many do come here and speak the language very well, it is a minority that do not and of those more tend to be at home housewives, arranged marriages from abroad. So again you use a very weak point to make a claim of moral cultural decline of the UK, when it has been the English language, which again is the business language of the world, so to claim that is in decline is completely absurd and in no way going to affect the future of this country

and MORE crap of the "we were bad in the past so we deserve everything and anything that gets thrown at us"
Who stated that? We have done wrongs in the past and the advantages you have today were born out of this nation being able to advance out of the wealth it plundered through slavery, colonies etc, for a start the Industrial revolution was kicked started from the plunder of wealth from India. All this money allowed the elite within society to take time have the money to advance science and also one good thing to come from this, humane views, though this has taken a long slow step. But your advantaged position comes from the fact the nations under the British Empire were nothing more than money making factories, destroying skills many local people had to work in industries created by the British to fund this country and we would have never have advanced as we did without subjugating many nations, again because of the wealth. What we did though is leave many of these nations with only an elite educated and little skills so much so these nations had to basically start from scratch and under the elite educated who ruled as the British had once done, by taking the majority for themselves. So there is a valid point that your advantage is basically down to years of subjugation under the British Empire. It does not mean the people today deserve anything bad to them, but they certainly owe at least something to the advantage they have from our own history

AND YET MORE diversionary crap....Star makes an allusion to being like an animal defending its patch...so what does didge do...turns it into a debate on animal rights
Because it was just about the worst argument of fear used, as again we do not own the whole nation ourselves, we are as one as a nation, though with different views. He may want to defend his tiny garden which he bought as part of his house. Basically all you and Stardesk are saying is you wish to preserve our identity of which neither of you can actually identify, I here poor excuses of claims to racism, when none have been stated, you cannot even identify what it is you fear to lose. The fact that both of you offer nothing short of extreme examples to justify your cultural pessimism, shows in fact that you are both part of the problem, both of you would have been the Church in the past denying women the vote and trying to stop the progression of evolution being taught, that is the reality of your pessimism, you both are unable to adapt and change. No problem we have seen this countless times in history and in fact people do mainly change, some stay bitter and do not move on and good luck to those that do not

thats what they do you know, these progressives ...They DELIBERATELY fail to understand allusion and rhetorical statements so they can use them as a diversionary tactict..
stars reference to being like an animal defending its patch has got NOTHING to do with "extinctions, mans actions in nature or anything else of that ilk...
That shows again you know nothing of the history of progression in this country from providing equal rights, to Homosexuals, women, minorities etc all though having to fight tooth and nail to get progression in the first place from many people who were cultural pessimists saying the exact same thing you are doing now, claiming the cultural and civilization decline of Britain because we progress to provide equal rights to many.
Basically your arguments are not new, they are just based on different groups of people and using the same unsubstantiated arguments

Its progressive "new speak" you may only discuss something in the narrow and intellectually restrictive framework of the language and expression THEY allow....
No its progression that has made Britain the tolerant nation it is today, where sadly some linger of a view off the past an imperial world view of Britain something very much now in the past with both good and bad from it, and you need to read your history to see this nation is full of progression, of which again there is countless examples, why though now do you fear today? Because you are led by fear


If I said an event was occuring as regular as a london bus, the event (if uncomfortable for the progressive) would be buried in an avalanche of shit explaining why london busses were not in fact all that regular

Joy Division wrote:

Nems wrote:
Is that because so many Brits emigrated to Australia?

..many were put on boats and given something like a tenner , and told make a life over there...years ago like.

...cost the best oat of £900 for an Oz return ticket now on Quantas!

veya_victaous wrote:

scrat wrote:Australia has a fantastic future, it is in an ideal position to exploit the Far East, the future is bright.

Of course Great Britain is in a different league altogether and despite some on the left and many on the right running this great nation down, we're still the reigning champions of the "state of the art", this is where it is at, more innovation is created here, more global culture establishes itself here and more inward investment comes here than any other country in Europe.

I will concede that    out of Europe I think only the Germans are really matching the British. Maybe that is part of your problem too your looking at Europe.. but that isn't going that well so... your fast in a field of slow horses.

scrat wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

scrat wrote:Australia has a fantastic future, it is in an ideal position to exploit the Far East, the future is bright.

Of course Great Britain is in a different league altogether and despite some on the left and many on the right running this great nation down, we're still the reigning champions of the "state of the art", this is where it is at, more innovation is created here, more global culture establishes itself here and more inward investment comes here than any other country in Europe.

I will concede that    out of Europe I think only the Germans are really matching the British. Maybe that is part of your problem too your looking at Europe.. but that isn't going that well so... your fast in a field of slow horses.

Australia is in a prime position to do well, Britain had the opportunity to trade link with English speaking nations years ago, the EU was at that time the growing powerhouse and good old Maggie milk snatch and co were herding us in.

No point crying over spilt milk! we can still seek to establish a trading block of English speaking nations and the commonwealth, countries like India, Nigeria, and Southern Africa, are linked by common tongue to countries like the US, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand.

Strong links to Africa will provide the bread basket, and if you antipodeans carry the baton for the future, then us Brits will find a way to cream off the profit to keep our olds in a fashion they deserve.

The engine of capitalism needs fuel, one day we'll be fighting over immigrants, begging them to come here.

Lone Wolf wrote:

Joy Division wrote:

..many were put on boats and given something like a tenner , and told make a life over there...years ago like.

...cost the best oat of £900 for an Oz return ticket now on Quantas!

   THE infamous "Ten Pound Poms !" immigration programme began before and re-started from just after WWII and carried on through to the early '60's (during a time of rapid economic expansion, especially industrial..), brought thousands of British "new settlers" out here to join the influx of Italian, Yugoslav, Polish, Dutch, French, Russian and Ukrainian war refugees...

Some of their "first generation Aussies" offspring, as well as those who came across as babes and toddlers with their parents, were among my fellow students at school and Uni' during the latter 1960s and through the 1970s ~ sometimes making up to 25-30% in some places..    

THAT'S on top of "First [European] Settlers" programmes from the earlier days ~ the first convict settlements in 1788, and the first "Free Settlers" following shortly after, where many of them received land "grants" up until the mid-19th century, to help their farming endeavours along.    
(Some of my ancestors came from both sides of that equation here; whilst the most recent 'immigrant' in my family was one of my great-grandmothers who came fr. County Cork with her parents at the very beginning of the 20th century..).

AMONG the "innovators" of that era, the Scottish seemed to often be over-represented in the Engineering and Medical ranks, while their Irish cousins often seemed to lead the way in the Agricultural and animal husbandry fields..  

Joy Division wrote:

Lone Wolf wrote:

Joy Division wrote:

..many were put on boats and given something like a tenner , and told make a life over there...years ago like.

...cost the best oat of £900 for an Oz return ticket now on Quantas!

   THE infamous "Ten Pound Poms !" immigration programme began before and re-started from just after WWII and carried on through to the early '60's (during a time of rapid economic expansion, especially industrial..), brought thousands of British "new settlers" out here to join the influx of Italian, Yugoslav, Polish, Dutch, French, Russian and Ukrainian war refugees...

Some of their "first generation Aussies" offspring, as well as those who came across as babes and toddlers with their parents, were among my fellow students at school and Uni' during the latter 1960s and through the 1970s ~ sometimes making up to 25-30% in some places..    

THAT'S on top of "First [European] Settlers" programmes from the earlier days ~ the first convict settlements in 1788, and the first "Free Settlers" following shortly after, where many of them received land "grants" up until the mid-19th century, to help their farming endeavours along.    
(Some of my ancestors came from both sides of that equation here; whilst the most recent 'immigrant' in my family was one of my great-grandmothers who came fr. County Cork with her parents at the very beginning of the 20th century..).

AMONG the "innovators" of that era, the Scottish seemed to often be over-represented in the Engineering and Medical ranks, while their Irish cousins often seemed to lead the way in the Agricultural and animal husbandry fields..  

Fascinating stuff Bee, I only heard the ten quid poms thing years back..but knew very little about it, I think it's good how you remember so much and have some take on figures an stats Bee..

There may have been some bad feeling even years back in Oz regards to immigrants Bee, as every country has some like that,but I still think Britain is the worst for it, at least one of the worse,,,

I bet you don't remember bad feeling back then as on the scale it is today?, or in comparison with Brits Bee?