Growth of ethnic minorities 'could undermine English identity'

by Guest Tue May 06, 2014 12:01 pm

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Almost one in three people in Britain will be from an ethnic minority within a generation, a report suggests.

Non-white people will make up between 20 and 30 per cent of the population by 2050, Policy Exchange says. The current share is around 14 per cent.

The report could also raise questions about the future of the English national identity, which it found is primarily adopted by white people. The think tank, which has close links to the Conservative Party leadership, also highlights differences in the political leanings of different ethnic groups, advising politicians not to treat minority voters as a bloc.

The expected growth in the non-white population is largely attributed to a higher birth rate among ethnic minority Britons. A quarter of children aged under 10 in the UK are from ethnic minorities. By contrast, 95 per cent of people aged over 60 are white.

Over the past decade, the white population has remained roughly the same while the minority population has almost doubled, accounting for 80 per cent of population growth, it adds.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10809481/Non-white-people-almost-30-per-cent-of-population-by-2050.html

Funny, I'm sure I remember reading a couple of years back that the percentage of minorities would be 25% at most by 2050. Looks like the figures are changing every year. Even taking these figures and the difference in birth rates, it would appear that it's the indigenous English who'll be in the minority in the not too distant future.

by Guest Thu May 08, 2014 11:42 am

could he just be crap at math or is he hiding the fact he's 1/8 Dingo and has the ability to lick his own balls.

by Raggamuffin Thu May 08, 2014 11:46 am

Oh well, as long as we still have nice little local cricket matches ... Laughing

I think all these attitudes depend on where you grew up really. If you grew up in an area where people were white, local activities centred around the church, and people made jam or joined the WI or whatever, you're going to think that's the English way.

If you grew up in a multiracial area, you're not going to think that.

by Guest Thu May 08, 2014 4:43 pm

London school bus 2050

Growth of ethnic minorities 'could undermine English identity' - Page 4 School10

by Guest Thu May 08, 2014 4:46 pm

Tesstacious wrote:London school bus 2050

Would love for you to explain how London one of the economic power houses of the world is going to lose its wealth and transport systems Tess?
Are you just being an ignorant prejudice wally as per usual?

by veya_victaous Thu May 08, 2014 11:40 pm

Didge wrote:
Tesstacious wrote:London school bus 2050

Would love for you to explain how London one of the economic power houses of the world is going to lose its wealth and transport systems Tess?
Are you just being an ignorant prejudice wally as per usual?

Well didge :::grouch:: the UK fails to properly embrace the Modern World and slowly but surely slips back to a 3rd world like state ruled by fear and superstition.

by Tommy Monk Fri May 09, 2014 12:35 am

The indigenous UK love the modern world, but with the massive immigration of 3rd world people that's been going on...........!!!!!!!

What do you think we're complaining about??????

by veya_victaous Fri May 09, 2014 1:18 am

@TM
no, you guys are 30-40 years behind the modern world
YOU did love the modern world, the problem is you still love the same one.... from 50 years ago
Wink

by Tommy Monk Fri May 09, 2014 2:04 am

Make your mind up, slipping back or already 40 years behind???

And please tell us what technical advances you Aussies have added to this development of this modern world you talk of, and what you think you have extra that we don't or makes us 40 years behind????

Although I admit we might be slipping, there is a direct correlation in 3rd world immigration and leftie dumbing down of education standards.

by stardesk Fri May 09, 2014 9:19 pm

Good evening Veya. It's not so much as 'slipping back' as you put it, but remembering how it used to be. We didn't have minority migrants making their voice heard and screaming racial abuse, or running to the court of Human Rights for no logical justification, only to get their own way. We didn't have the problem we are now facing over the sale of Halal meats in our own traditional shops. We didn't have gangs of migrants going around stealing and/or raping. In my own town recently, a gang of EU migrants were knocking children off their bikes and stealing them. In my local newspaper every week there is a list of court cases, 30% were foreigners/migrants. We didn't have over 200 schools in which the majority of teachers were Muslims, who treated girl pupils and female staff abominably.

I could go on and on, but who will listen? I despair of our country. It aint what it used to be. And people ask: 'Why are you voting UKIP?' It isn't surprising is it.

by Guest Fri May 09, 2014 9:23 pm

Didge wrote:
stardesk wrote:
Hi Spindle. Yes indeed we've had migrations over the centuries, the Romans, Saxons, Normans, Danes, and although some were worshippers of other Gods and Goddesses, they eventually adopted Christianity. More on that in a minute. These different races were white, like the indigenous British people. But, they eventually became Christian, and this is what our heritage and traditions are based on. Nearly 2,000 years of Christian modes of life and morals, such as the Commandments. These attributes forged the way we are, and indeed still are, although these days we are seeing that long tradition being watered down, and our way of life being interfered with and altered by foriegn cultures..............

One small example is the Subway shops. 200 of them, nationally, are stopping selling any pork menus, ie. bacon etc. Is that the start of Halal foods making our own traditional food illegal? Where will it end? When we are the minority? When Muslim MPs outnumber our own, and alter our laws and everything else?

No Spindle, I'm not racist, just trying to be logical and factual.

HI Stardesk

But that really is not quite true is it? If anything the Romano Britons had adapted Celtic Christianity as well as the Catholic version and again most of the saints were adapted from pagan worship and sites to build churches on, which helped convert people to where they originally worshiped a local deity to then become a saint. This shows nothing more than a merging of faiths, just as we see happen itself with happening with Mithras, one of the clever actions by Constantine to make the birthday of Jesus to fall on Mithra's birthday of 25th December, again helping two religions to adapt Christian view as predominant. It is also not 2000 years of Christian traditions, as it began here in Britain in the third century AD and you can hardly call some of the conversion with the Vikings peaceful more like forced to convert or die. For centuries like many European nations Christianity were based upon the old testament to the point of people being butchered for heresy, witchcraft and then later Catholicism, where we also know of much persecution throughout the ages to Jews. So you can hardly call that a moral or wonderful history based upon the views where Christianity held reign for centuries by those that still do the same within Islam today, of which is the problem people ruling as if they speak for their deity. It was people enlightened that broke away from the dogma of Christian Church where again it was the Church here that has always tried to hold back many things from evolution, to women having the vote, in fact the Church has been the greatest opponent basing their views on Cultural pessimism, so much that this is still apparent today, with women still not seen equally within the Church and again as recently wanting to deny homosexuals equality with Marriage. If anything it has been those who profess to follow Christianity that has held back any form of equality or morals. This country is steeped in discrimination and persecution because of the interpretations of the Christian Church.

So I would not hold any view that this country was forged upon Christian values, if anything it broke away from Christian Dogma and still is to the point atheism is rising to be the biggest belief or no belief system, as you may want to call it. What our history shows us is that like today where religion is in charge and has power many bad things happen and it constrains society from progression. A nation is made by its people and this nation has seen throughout history an influx of different ethnic groups, people bemoan about the mass migration today but it would have paled in comparison, to when the Romans first came, to then the Saxons and Vikings came. All would have come with with what would have seemed freighting to a very small widespread sparsely populated Britain, during the Roman times around 4 million and drops to around 2 at the end of the Roman Empire. I mean during the Roman Empire the population of London was no more than 10,000 which did not significantly grow to around 40,000 until the 11th century. Seriously what would have 10,000 people in London have felt faced with just an invading force of 5,000? Britain certainly fought back against the Saxon invaders as they did against the Romans, to the extent the Romans never fully conquered the whole Island. All we find with most arguments on immigration, where they are not invasions, but where we ourselves have conquered and populated and altered the continents so much so around the world with other European nations to majority white populations, is that we now fear as if sharing our nation to other peoples from around the world is wrong, considering our own history changed the demographics as stated of whole continents. Does seem a silly argument to make, when again if we had never had an Empire, would many of these immigrants have wanted to come here in the first place, being as many are from former nations under the Empire?

So you left out many facts and just because Christianity dominated, it certainly was not a happy time when ruled by an iron fist of the monarchies and the Church for those who did not believe. The whole point is what are people fearing here? Is it now that are country is becoming more diverse with more Blacks and Asians, who have been on these shores for centuries and that people are thinking in terms of skin colour or is it again about how many different ethnic people like we see in America can make a nation through an identity of that nation and still be proud of their roots? We progressed in the 20 century by standing up to the religious dogma of the Church

Stardesk?????

by Guest Fri May 09, 2014 9:29 pm

stardesk wrote:Good evening Veya. It's not so much as 'slipping back' as you put it, but remembering how it used to be. We didn't have minority migrants making their voice heard and screaming racial abuse, or running to the court of Human Rights for no logical justification, only to get their own way. We didn't have the problem we are now facing over the sale of Halal meats in our own traditional shops. We didn't have gangs of migrants going around stealing and/or raping. In my own town recently, a gang of EU migrants were knocking children off their bikes and stealing them. In my local newspaper every week there is a list of court cases, 30% were foreigners/migrants. We didn't have over 200 schools in which the majority of teachers were Muslims, who treated girl pupils and female staff abominably.

I could go on and on, but who will listen? I despair of our country. It aint what it used to be. And people ask: 'Why are you voting UKIP?' It isn't surprising is it.

Dear me another one defending people having the right for others to be hateful.
Do you know what the only problem you face stardesk is?
Your own prejudice, if you allow yourself to see past what you fear, then you will be at peace, because you make your own problems and use the excuse to blame others for these problems as a means to make you think it makes you feel better, but is that the reality of the situation?
No, it makes you feel good for a second, because unless you deal with the problems you have created yourself and understand you have, then you will see that the real issue is within yourself.
If you use poor views to claim you should not get along with people based again off associations to a set group, then you are not treating people as equals. This does not mean some do not come here and integrate, but by the same token you do not integrate to many others off the same principle, which in both cases is wrong.
Britain is great now because it is tolerant, ir you want to go back to how it once was with intolerance then I am ashamed to be called British

by Guest Fri May 09, 2014 9:30 pm

Stardesk, I'm going to repeat a post I put on another thread, because I know you are an intelligent man, and for the life of me, I do not understand why intelligent people are allowing themselves to be conned by the hysteria in the media about halal meat:

Tess, you don't eat meat, so that means you are not hypocritical about it. However, most people do, and it doesn't matter how the animal is killed, it's never pleasant and can't be. The heart has to pump to eject the blood, so the animal is never dead when the throat is slit. A tiny percentage of halal is not pre-stunned. Now I happen to think this is a bad thing, because I am absolutely convinced that the fastest, most humane way, however horrible it might look, is halal without prestunning. I think the pre-stunning distresses the animal even more, and it has been shown that the pain receptors in their brain is still working after it, even though they are unconscious. With the one cut of halal and kosher the brains receptors cease functioning after 2-3 seconds.

If people don't like the thought of animals dying, they have the choice to be veggies. If they are going to eat meat, they have got to come to terms with the fact that there is NO nice way to kill an animal for meat, they all have their throats cut while the heart is still pumping, and that has to happen. And all the whinging and wailing about halal is totally misplaced, because it is pre-stunned and Muslims have adapted to us by doing it. The jewish faith won't. And they are the facts, without the hysteria.

I would add, 88% of halal is pre-stunned. The percentage that isn't is sent to specialist halal shops, where people know what they are buying. Every single animal killed by the kosher method has the bottom half of the animal sent to the meat markets, classed has non kosher, because they don't believe the bottom half is kosher, and goes into the normal meat chain, even though the animal is NOT pre-stunned, when the halal is. That has been going on for donkey's years.

Both Muslim and Jewish religious leaders have called for a labelling system.

by Tommy Monk Fri May 09, 2014 11:16 pm

No problem with tolerance, but what is happening is pushing even the most tolerant to despair.

And if everyone is calling for a labelling system, why is it not happening and things are increasingly going more halal to please what is essentially a minority group of immigrants in our country?

by Lone Wolf Sat May 10, 2014 9:33 am

victorisnotamused wrote:
the remaining 1/8 is twat.....and unfortunately appears to be dominant

STICK a sock in it, you senile old racist prick...

by Lone Wolf Sat May 10, 2014 9:47 am

Phillipa wrote:

could he just be crap at math or is he hiding the fact he's 1/8 Dingo and has the ability to lick his own balls.

"Phillipa" ??? scratch

SO, which recycled racist fool sporting a new name are you, then..

AS for your puerile attempts at insults today - all I can say is that jealousy is a curse with you clods !

AND, as for the missing 1/8 ~ one of my grandfathers left home and "hit the road" at 14 years of age,
to avoid a violent stepfather and look for work on neighbouring farms..

HE cut a few ties with his extended family after that, meaning the 'missing' 1/8 will always remain unknown to future generations...
HOWEVER, that also left his descendants with "a bit of the mongrel" among some of us ! ::-3::

by Guest Sat May 10, 2014 9:55 am

Lone Wolf wrote:
Phillipa wrote:

could he just be crap at math or is he hiding the fact he's 1/8 Dingo and has the ability to lick his own balls.

"Phillipa" ???

SO, which recycled racist fool sporting a new name are you, then..

AS for your puerile attempts at insults today - all I can say is that jealousy is a curse with you clods !

AND, as for the missing 1/8 ~ one of my grandfathers left home and "hit the road" at 14 years of age,
to avoid a violent stepfather and look for work on neighbouring farms..

HE cut a few ties with his extended family after that, meaning the 'missing' 1/8 will always remain unknown to future generations...
HOWEVER, that also left his descendants with "a bit of the mongrel" among some of us ! ::-3::

Do you always abuse new posters Lone Wolf?

I think a couple of people jumped on somebody for that the other day - and accused said poster of being a RACIST!

by scrat Sat May 10, 2014 12:02 pm

veya_victaous wrote:@TM
no, you guys are 30-40 years behind the modern world
YOU did love the modern world, the problem is you still love the same one.... from 50 years ago

A tad harsh, Great Britain is and always will be ahead of the curve, perhaps it's because we have 30 world class universities, 3 in the top ten.

Personally I think it's our diversity and mish mash of cultures that makes Britain great.

by Guest Sat May 10, 2014 12:16 pm

"We have 50 million Muslims in Europe. There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe—without swords, without guns, without conquest—will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades."

Muammar Gaddafi

by Guest Sat May 10, 2014 12:42 pm

And look what happened to him Tess Rolling Eyes

by stardesk Sat May 10, 2014 3:56 pm

Good afternoon folks. Didge, I, and I’m sure other members, applaud your altruistic and humane attitude towards people of different races, colour and creeds. We must agree that we are all human, and as such, are entitled to sustenance, security, and comfort, in a safe environment. We can’t argue with that. But consider our nation’s problems from a slightly different viewpoint: If our country was a boat, by continually filling it up, it would reach a point when it would be insecure and unsafe. Eventually, due to being over loaded it will capsize, and tragedy will be the result. I’m not being overly melodramatic when I say that is just what is happening here. We are fast becoming overloaded and consequently there will be trouble from one quarter or another, unless someone has the courage to say ‘enough is enough.’

by Guest Sat May 10, 2014 3:59 pm

Sorry Stardesk, no we are not, if we were, 54 other countries in the world that are fuller than we are would have sunk a long time ago. And I don't know one person or one party that advocates unlimited immigration. I do however, know of parties that are stirring up racial hatred on purpose to try and get elected, and people that are falling for it. That I think it is extremely sad and panders to the worst in the British psyche.

by Guest Sat May 10, 2014 4:00 pm

stardesk wrote:Good afternoon folks. Didge, I, and I’m sure other members, applaud your altruistic and humane attitude towards people of different races, colour and creeds. We must agree that we are all human, and as such, are entitled to sustenance, security, and comfort, in a safe environment. We can’t argue with that. But consider our nation’s problems from a slightly different viewpoint: If our country was a boat, by continually filling it up, it would reach a point when it would be insecure and unsafe. Eventually, due to being over loaded it will capsize, and tragedy will be the result. I’m not being overly melodramatic when I say that is just what is happening here. We are fast becoming overloaded and consequently there will be trouble from one quarter or another, unless someone has the courage to say ‘enough is enough.’

yes but you are basing a view of safety on unsubstantiated grounds Stardesk, one of fear, an underground fear.

Well as this boat is only 7% full, being as that is all that is urbanized, I would say this boat is doing very fine and what are you going to do about the world issue of growing populations, ignore them and just hope it goes away? Stating lets look after are own jack attitude is how others could take the same view, when we are not able to have enough resources to keep going , even without every foreigner here, we have for years been dependent on others for resources.

So we are no where near overloaded.

by Guest Sat May 10, 2014 4:03 pm

I should add Stardesk, you need to look at the world picture, not just the land you live on, because more and more many nations are very reliant on each other and without cooperation things will get bad very fast.

by Tommy Monk Sat May 10, 2014 5:39 pm

Nobody is against cooperation, they are against masses of people from all over the world keep coming here.

by Guest Sat May 10, 2014 5:40 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Nobody is against cooperation, they are against masses of people from all over the world keep coming here.

Yet masses of British people live abroad (6 million) and countless millions more are descended from people from these shores, odd that eh?

by Tommy Monk Sat May 10, 2014 6:02 pm

So 10% of British people live abroad and we have over 10% of people here being foreign.

Sounds like we have more than enough then already now.

Another reason why we don't need any more.

by Guest Sat May 10, 2014 6:08 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:So 10% of British people live abroad and we have over 10% of people here being foreign.

Sounds like we have more than enough then already now.

Another reason why we don't need any more.

Well you look at the British in New Zealand ect amounting to 5% of a population there, yet in this country no one nation has even matched that amount who has come here.
We need more people but again controlled because of skills, because the age disparity is going to be an issue in years soon to come. So we will always need more, but controlled to a reasonable level

by scrat Sat May 10, 2014 6:21 pm

Tesstacious wrote:"We have 50 million Muslims in Europe. There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe—without swords, without guns, without conquest—will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades."

Muammar Gaddafi

Tess, you're talking bollocks, those that come here are needed to keep an ageing population alive and supplied, the longer we live, the more immigrants will be required to provide the Labour and fuel the economy to keep up with the demand.

Immigrants will integrate, the British culture is the most easily adaptable culture in which to integrate, our language is universal and our customs are relatively benign.

I would worry less about immigrants and more about tax evasion!

by Tommy Monk Sat May 10, 2014 6:27 pm

Bullshit!
Pure and simple.

by Guest Sat May 10, 2014 6:33 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Bullshit!
Pure and simple.

Really so the population is not going to have 1 in 4 people over 65 by 2050 then?

by scrat Sat May 10, 2014 6:38 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Bullshit!
Pure and simple.

Heimat chap,

You've been fed a lie, there cannot be order, you being right wing crave for dictatorial order, for someone to tell you how to live your life, you despair at all the progress because you simply cannot keep up, and thus you've given in, and now you sit around moping and mumbling garbage, whilst looking for someone else to blame.

You're drawn like sheep to the slaughter.

by Tommy Monk Sat May 10, 2014 7:02 pm

Wrong Scrat.

by stardesk Sun May 11, 2014 2:36 pm

Scrat, quoting you: 'Immigrants will integrate, the British culture is the most easily adaptable culture in which to integrate, our language is universal and our customs are relatively benign.'

Do you honestly believe, for one second, that thousands of devote Muslims are going to fully integrate and adopt our way of life? People like Tommy and myself are being accused of living in the past, or a dream world, but I assure you, we are most certainly not. It's a case of having the ability to look around ourselves at the true picture, the state of our country, and what it will become like.
Yes, English are an easy going people, but unfortunately foreigners are taking advantage of that, at our cultural expence.

Saying these things doesn't make us racists, just concerned about our homeland and what it might become.

by Tommy Monk Sun May 11, 2014 3:13 pm

Bang on stardesk!

And Scrat I don't like you lefties telling me what to do, what to think etc all the time so I am hardly likely to want rid of you and then want some other nob telling me what to do!

There are people who will be honest and outspoken enough to tell the truth about things and others who wish to deny it all, shout down anything with SIXHIRB style bullshit, and then keep adding to the problems.

by Guest Sun May 11, 2014 5:01 pm

stardesk wrote:Scrat, quoting you: 'Immigrants will integrate, the British culture is the most easily adaptable culture in which to integrate, our language is universal and our customs are relatively benign.'

Do you honestly believe, for one second, that thousands of devote Muslims are going to fully integrate and adopt our way of life? People like Tommy and myself are being accused of living in the past, or a dream world, but I assure you, we are most certainly not. It's a case of having the ability to look around ourselves at the true picture, the state of our country, and what it will become like.
Yes, English are an easy going people, but unfortunately foreigners are taking advantage of that, at our cultural expence.

Saying these things doesn't make us racists, just concerned about our homeland and what it might become.

Poor reflection made off all Muslims here, as what do you call integration in regards to what you view as integration yourself Stardesk?
Again vastly many Muslims have integrated in this country and to use those who do not as a means to define people not integrating is a poor argument and one based again using fear.
It may not make you racist to say such things but to say such things is completely a poor reflection to the true situation where many have integrated, these though are ignored to make as stated a poor fear argument

by scrat Sun May 11, 2014 10:14 pm

stardesk wrote:Scrat, quoting you: 'Immigrants will integrate, the British culture is the most easily adaptable culture in which to integrate, our language is universal and our customs are relatively benign.'

Do you honestly believe, for one second, that thousands of devote Muslims are going to fully integrate and adopt our way of life? People like Tommy and myself are being accused of living in the past, or a dream world, but I assure you, we are most certainly not. It's a case of having the ability to look around ourselves at the true picture, the state of our country, and what it will become like.
Yes, English are an easy going people, but unfortunately foreigners are taking advantage of that, at our cultural expence.

Saying these things doesn't make us racists, just concerned about our homeland and what it might become.

Good evening Stardesk,

Obviously you're not racist for simply showing concern, but what is your real concern?

That there are too many immigrants? that there are too many Muslims? the wrong type of immigrant? The wrong type of Muslim?

Such is capitalism I'm afraid!, none of us know much better and whether you vote tory, libdem or Labour not much will change, they all want immigrants for cheap labour.

I said earlier that we need them to work here in order to look after and fund the growing multitude of elderly folk, I'm getting there so I understand the requirements and such are the requirements to maintain a growing elderly population, that you must ask the question, can 30million workers keep 15million pensioners in a fashion they deserve?

UKIP have a golden opportunity to place themselves at the foot of the greasy pole, if they get more than 10 seats at the next general election they will quickly sell out on principle to the reality and slavery of capitalism.

If you do not want immigrants to look after the elderly then you will have to pay British workers a living wage, do you think the establishment will honestly accept that?

Are you prepared to witness (as has been foretold) the great and wealthy flee these islands in their droves.

by Guest Sun May 11, 2014 11:00 pm

scrat wrote:
stardesk wrote:Scrat, quoting you: 'Immigrants will integrate, the British culture is the most easily adaptable culture in which to integrate, our language is universal and our customs are relatively benign.'

Do you honestly believe, for one second, that thousands of devote Muslims are going to fully integrate and adopt our way of life? People like Tommy and myself are being accused of living in the past, or a dream world, but I assure you, we are most certainly not. It's a case of having the ability to look around ourselves at the true picture, the state of our country, and what it will become like.
Yes, English are an easy going people, but unfortunately foreigners are taking advantage of that, at our cultural expence.

Saying these things doesn't make us racists, just concerned about our homeland and what it might become.
Good evening Stardesk,

Obviously you're not racist for simply showing concern, but what is your real concern?

That there are too many immigrants? that there are too many Muslims? the wrong type of immigrant? The wrong type of Muslim?

Such is capitalism I'm afraid!, none of us know much better and whether you vote tory, libdem or Labour not much will change, they all want immigrants for cheap labour.

I said earlier that we need them to work here in order to look after and fund the growing multitude of elderly folk, I'm getting there so I understand the requirements and such are the requirements to maintain a growing elderly population, that you must ask the question, can 30million workers keep 15million pensioners in a fashion they deserve?

UKIP have a golden opportunity to place themselves at the foot of the greasy pole, if they get more than 10 seats at the next general election they will quickly sell out on principle to the reality and slavery of capitalism.

If you do not want immigrants to look after the elderly then you will have to pay British workers a living wage, do you think the establishment will honestly accept that?

Are you prepared to witness (as has been foretold) the great and wealthy flee these islands in their droves.

A very good post Scrat..and as you say, if we had no immigrants, Brits in general , run of the milk jobs would have to be laid a LIVING wage..,

Im just wondering how much that would be?...ten quid an hour with no taxes?

£15 an hour with taxes?

Fairly arguable...some on the aright would say that is way too much and how they once survived on a quid an hour...

But your dead right Scrat, well said Sir.

by scrat Sun May 11, 2014 11:13 pm

Joy Division wrote:
scrat wrote:
Good evening Stardesk,

Obviously you're not racist for simply showing concern, but what is your real concern?

That there are too many immigrants? that there are too many Muslims? the wrong type of immigrant? The wrong type of Muslim?

Such is capitalism I'm afraid!, none of us know much better and whether you vote tory, libdem or Labour not much will change, they all want immigrants for cheap labour.

I said earlier that we need them to work here in order to look after and fund the growing multitude of elderly folk, I'm getting there so I understand the requirements and such are the requirements to maintain a growing elderly population, that you must ask the question, can 30million workers keep 15million pensioners in a fashion they deserve?

UKIP have a golden opportunity to place themselves at the foot of the greasy pole, if they get more than 10 seats at the next general election they will quickly sell out on principle to the reality and slavery of capitalism.

If you do not want immigrants to look after the elderly then you will have to pay British workers a living wage, do you think the establishment will honestly accept that?

Are you prepared to witness (as has been foretold) the great and wealthy flee these islands in their droves.

A very good post Scrat..and as you say, if we had no immigrants, Brits in general , run of the milk jobs would have to be laid a LIVING wage..,

Im just wondering how much that would be?...ten quid an hour with no taxes?

£15 an hour with taxes?

Fairly arguable...some on the aright would say that is way too much and how they once survived on a quid an hour...

But your dead right Scrat, well said Sir.

Mention increased taxation for the rich and paying the British worker a living wage,,,,they'd open up the borders to Al Qaeda.

by Tommy Monk Sun May 11, 2014 11:15 pm

If we didn't have so many immigrants, the cost of living wouldn't be so high, and wages wouldn't be so driven down by over availability of cheap labour.

by Guest Sun May 11, 2014 11:17 pm

scrat wrote:
Joy Division wrote:

A very good post Scrat..and as you say, if we had no immigrants, Brits in general , run of the milk jobs would have to be laid a LIVING wage..,

Im just wondering how much that would be?...ten quid an hour with no taxes?

£15 an hour with taxes?

Fairly arguable...some on the aright would say that is way too much and how they once survived on a quid an hour...

But your dead right Scrat, well said Sir.
Mention increased taxation for the rich and paying the British worker a living wage,,,,they'd open up the borders to Al Qaeda.

..they would indeed Scrat, anything than seeing rather poor earn some money to actually live off without huge struggles...
Tax the mega rich at 65% Laughing

by Guest Sun May 11, 2014 11:22 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:If we didn't have so many immigrants, the cost of living wouldn't be so high, and wages wouldn't be so driven down by over availability of cheap labour.

Bit their would still be some lazy white Brits unwilling to work these jobs Tommy. There are may jobs who Brits just won't stick to ..someone see will fill their shoes...but only briefly until the next..all the while people are signing on again

And I struggle to believe that because of immigrants that the actual cost of living goes up...sure there are immigrants on benefits, but I just don't see why that would put our gas, electric , food and clothing prices up Tommy...these things are the major things that make up our cost of living.

by Tommy Monk Sun May 11, 2014 11:43 pm

Funny you assume quite wrongly that it is all white British who are on the dole..... black youth unemployment is around 50%.

Plus cost of living is measured on many levels, housing costs/rents are massive, food and other costs have been on the rise for years, taxes/council tax etc too.

The housing benefit bill alone has doubled in recent years.

Plus all the extra strain on services costs billions too.

Higher costs of living means higher wages are needed to pay these living costs, which businesses in many cases simply cannot afford to remain competitive, along with all the other costs they face with massive amounts of EU regulation to pay for.

Which has resulted in mostly everyone being poorer.

by Guest Sun May 11, 2014 11:47 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Funny you assume quite wrongly that it is all white British who are on the dole..... black youth unemployment is around 50%.

Plus cost of living is measured on many levels, housing costs/rents are massive, food and other costs have been on the rise for years, taxes/council tax etc too.

The housing benefit bill alone has doubled in recent years.

Plus all the extra strain on services costs billions too.

Higher costs of living means higher wages are needed to pay these living costs, which businesses in many cases simply cannot afford to remain competitive, along with all the other costs they face with massive amounts of EU regulation to pay for.

Which has resulted in mostly everyone being poorer.

...I never said it's all white British on the dole Tommy..

You mention EU regulation , do you not agree that the EU should have say or regulate what should be a fair living wage in comparison to the cost of living for generally poor working people in each EU member country?

by Tommy Monk Sun May 11, 2014 11:53 pm

"...Bit their would still be some lazy white Brits unwilling to work these jobs Tommy. There are may jobs who Brits just won't stick to ..someone see will fill their shoes...but only briefly until the next..all the while people are signing on again..."

And no, I don't think the EU is legitimate, and should have no authority on any sovereign nations domestic affairs. It has only been given British peoples backing to be a simple trade arrangement as it was, the EEC. The EU is a federalist dictatorship and needs to be disbanded.

Now how about addressing my points???

by veya_victaous Sun May 11, 2014 11:55 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Make your mind up, slipping back or already 40 years behind???

And please tell us what technical advances you Aussies have added to this development of this modern world you talk of, and what you think you have extra that we don't or makes us 40 years behind????

Although I admit we might be slipping, there is a direct correlation in 3rd world immigration and leftie dumbing down of education standards.

Wi-Fi is an Aussie invention.

Industrial Farming on a scale not seen else where.

and You have to consider at least 40% old Sydney is less than 40 years old (as in was bush or paddocks before) You view the world politically and economically as it was 40 years ago your still looking at that and saying "look we're modern" when you were world leaders you are now pretty average. rested on your laurels for 40 years, may be a better way to put it.

And we have had double the amount of 3rd world migration Rolling Eyes

by scrat Sun May 11, 2014 11:55 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Funny you assume quite wrongly that it is all white British who are on the dole..... black youth unemployment is around 50%.

Plus cost of living is measured on many levels, housing costs/rents are massive, food and other costs have been on the rise for years, taxes/council tax etc too.

The housing benefit bill alone has doubled in recent years.

Plus all the extra strain on services costs billions too.

Higher costs of living means higher wages are needed to pay these living costs, which businesses in many cases simply cannot afford to remain competitive, along with all the other costs they face with massive amounts of EU regulation to pay for.

Which has resulted in mostly everyone being poorer.

"higher costs of living means higher wages are needed to pay these living costs, which businesses in many cases simply cannot afford to remain competitive," 'twas bleated.

Translated, I'm gonna find me a "n---er" to work for fuck all!

by Tommy Monk Mon May 12, 2014 12:03 am

So, wi-fi and some farming......

And how are your rivers doing with all the water taken out for this farming?

And Scrat, isn't that what is happening with the mass importation of cheap labour?

But it is not the solution, in The long term it only exacerbates the problem!!!!

by veya_victaous Mon May 12, 2014 12:03 am

stardesk wrote:Scrat, quoting you: 'Immigrants will integrate, the British culture is the most easily adaptable culture in which to integrate, our language is universal and our customs are relatively benign.'

Do you honestly believe, for one second, that thousands of devote Muslims are going to fully integrate and adopt our way of life? People like Tommy and myself are being accused of living in the past, or a dream world, but I assure you, we are most certainly not. It's a case of having the ability to look around ourselves at the true picture, the state of our country, and what it will become like.
Yes, English are an easy going people, but unfortunately foreigners are taking advantage of that, at our cultural expence.

Saying these things doesn't make us racists, just concerned about our homeland and what it might become.

Well maybe they would.... if it was a good as the Aussie way of life Rolling Eyes

Growth of ethnic minorities 'could undermine English identity' - Page 4 Aussie-Muslims-Reflect-on-Integration

Growth of ethnic minorities 'could undermine English identity' - Page 4 1706_spotrs%20for%20women

by Tommy Monk Mon May 12, 2014 12:07 am

And Scrat, you missed the bit about all the extra costs imposed on business due to enormous and unnecessary EU regulations and red tape.

by scrat Mon May 12, 2014 12:11 am

Tommy Monk wrote:And Scrat, you missed the bit about all the extra costs imposed on business due to enormous and unnecessary EU regulations and red tape.

Hey the omnishambles of the "nasty party" signed us on and in (for greed), they even signed the Maastricht treaty to tell Johnny foriegner, welcome to Britain, exploit us!

Ffs Heimat chap, get a fucking grip.

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