Growth of ethnic minorities 'could undermine English identity'

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Almost one in three people in Britain will be from an ethnic minority within a generation, a report suggests.

Non-white people will make up between 20 and 30 per cent of the population by 2050, Policy Exchange says. The current share is around 14 per cent.

The report could also raise questions about the future of the English national identity, which it found is primarily adopted by white people. The think tank, which has close links to the Conservative Party leadership, also highlights differences in the political leanings of different ethnic groups, advising politicians not to treat minority voters as a bloc.

The expected growth in the non-white population is largely attributed to a higher birth rate among ethnic minority Britons. A quarter of children aged under 10 in the UK are from ethnic minorities. By contrast, 95 per cent of people aged over 60 are white.

Over the past decade, the white population has remained roughly the same while the minority population has almost doubled, accounting for 80 per cent of population growth, it adds.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10809481/Non-white-people-almost-30-per-cent-of-population-by-2050.html

Funny, I'm sure I remember reading a couple of years back that the percentage of minorities would be 25% at most by 2050. Looks like the figures are changing every year. Even taking these figures and the difference in birth rates, it would appear that it's the indigenous English who'll be in the minority in the not too distant future.

Half the things people claim what make them English have died out with many...afternoon tea, Morris dancing etc...

Let's stop pretending ethnic minorities have stopped ppEnglish people doing that for goodness sake,,,


That's the thing with some,too quick to blame others for their own failures and misery.

smelly_bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:


No you were exposed as prejudiced when you denied people who are black and Asian of being part of this nation, even though they have been here for centuries, so it is obvious your reasons are racial, not anything genuine

so you are approving of slavery then??

Nope.....

How does that show I approve of slavery?

Hilarious, it shows blacks have been here since the Roman times as auxiliary soldiers.

Some have been brought here against their wish, others were not, again showing what little you know of the history of this nation.

Anything else idiotic you wish to embarrass yourself with?

Dodge you show me a black or asian who has lived here for centuries and I will show you a million who arrived in recent years.
We don't want or need .any more immigrants.

Tommy Monk wrote:Dodge you show me a black or asian who has lived here for centuries and I will show you a million who arrived in recent years.
We don't want or need .any more immigrants.

I have posted countless times the history this proves more than anything you wish to deny history or are just plain ignorant, so which is it.
You have been exposed for producing racial arguments, denying people a right to be a part of this nation as you think they can only be white.
We will always need more immigrants, because we have skill shortages, it just needs to be controlled the level that comes

Tommy Monk wrote:Dodge you show me a black or asian who has lived here for centuries and I will show you a million who arrived in recent years.
We don't want or need .any more immigrants.

You show me a black or asian who has lived there for centuries and I'll show you a Highlander.

People of African origin have lived in Britain for centuries, according to genetic evidence.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6293333.stm

Only a few dodge in comparison.
We don't want or need any more immigrants.

Tommy Monk wrote:Only a few dodge in comparison.
We don't want or need any more immigrants.

PMSL, but some have been here thus negating any argument claiming identity of white only for this nation

So because a few lived here years ago, that means we have to have mass immigration here now?



Wow! Your leftie logic is unbelievable!

Tommy Monk wrote:So because a few lived here years ago, that means we have to have mass immigration here now?



Wow! Your leftie logic is unbelievable!

No that point was you on you trying to deny Blacks and Asians nationhood here.

I love how you poorly try to get out of looking an idiot.

Again you are a prejudice idiot and such views do not hold up to scrutiny or how you never deny mass amounts of Brits going to Spain, Australia or France, you cannot have it both ways

Point remains, Spain welcome wealthy retired British, Australia are desperate for skilled workers to go there, we don't want or need any more immigrants.

Didge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

so you are approving of slavery then??

Nope.....

How does that show I approve of slavery?

Hilarious, it shows blacks have been here since the Roman times as auxiliary soldiers.

Some have been brought here against their wish, others were not, again showing what little you know of the history of this nation.

Anything else idiotic you wish to embarrass yourself with?

Think about it didge

Spindleshanks wrote:

Shady wrote:

Intregration was working here fine & has been for centuries......Didn't you know that as we all did?

I keep trying to tell you.....it's invasion that we can't stomach.

Have a chat with Didge & he'll clue you in on how we Brits have been multicultural for a long long time.

What invasion?

Why don't you just say that you want to go round in circles thus avoiding addressing the situation?

smelly_bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:


Nope.....

How does that show I approve of slavery?

Hilarious, it shows blacks have been here since the Roman times as auxiliary soldiers.

Some have been brought here against their wish, others were not, again showing what little you know of the history of this nation.

Anything else idiotic you wish to embarrass yourself with?

Think about it didge

Don't be so daft Smelly,he's incapable of thinking.......He's a copy & paste man & that's his limit.

Tommy Monk wrote:Point remains, Spain welcome wealthy retired British, Australia are desperate for skilled workers to go there, we don't want or need any more immigrants.

Yep Constant Economic growth caused by Immigration does that   


And you Definitely need someone    your economies is shit house cause of the lack of entrepreneurs, innovation, lack of change and development, inefficient traditions, old money, stagnant culture, stagnant populace.
You need something to kick it up the ass and get it moving again. Apparently the EU isn't doing it (you Europeans are all a bit silly old world about it, can't get along and work together for mutual gain) so you will need something. You want access to the new markets, well who do you think opens the Door? it is the immigrants that have the connections to help broker the deals, and that create the perceptions of your nation in the new market. (i.e if your Immigrants go home saying Brits are a bunch of racist twats, they anit gonna want to sign multi million dollar trade agreements now are they   )


And if an Englishman has a good idea...   it is to move to Australia    so you got no good ideas left         

veya_victaous wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Point remains, Spain welcome wealthy retired British, Australia are desperate for skilled workers to go there, we don't want or need any more immigrants.

Yep Constant Economic growth caused by Immigration does that   


And you Definitely need someone    your economies is shit house cause of the lack of entrepreneurs, innovation, lack of change and development, inefficient traditions, old money, stagnant culture, stagnant populace.
You need something to kick it up the ass and get it moving again. Apparently the EU isn't doing it (you Europeans are all a bit silly old world about it, can't get along and work together for mutual gain) so you will need something.  You want access to the new markets, well who do you think opens the Door? it is the immigrants that have the connections to help broker the deals, and that create the perceptions of your nation in the new market. (i.e if your Immigrants go home saying Brits are a bunch of racist twats, they anit gonna want to sign multi million dollar trade agreements now are they   )


And if an Englishman has a good idea...   it is to move to Australia    so you got no good ideas left         

Have you dummys found that plane yet?

Shady wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Point remains, Spain welcome wealthy retired British, Australia are desperate for skilled workers to go there, we don't want or need any more immigrants.

Yep Constant Economic growth caused by Immigration does that   


And you Definitely need someone    your economies is shit house cause of the lack of entrepreneurs, innovation, lack of change and development, inefficient traditions, old money, stagnant culture, stagnant populace.
You need something to kick it up the ass and get it moving again. Apparently the EU isn't doing it (you Europeans are all a bit silly old world about it, can't get along and work together for mutual gain) so you will need something.  You want access to the new markets, well who do you think opens the Door? it is the immigrants that have the connections to help broker the deals, and that create the perceptions of your nation in the new market. (i.e if your Immigrants go home saying Brits are a bunch of racist twats, they anit gonna want to sign multi million dollar trade agreements now are they   )


And if an Englishman has a good idea...   it is to move to Australia    so you got no good ideas left         

Have you dummys found that plane yet?

Sorry Shady what was that           
I couldn't hear you over the sound of our Roaring Economy       

veya_victaous wrote:

Shady wrote:

Have you dummys found that plane yet?

Sorry Shady what was that           
I couldn't hear you over the sound of our Roaring Economy       

Roaring economy? Yours is fucked like the rest of us.Don't give me that bollocks.

umm no  ::D::  we haven't had a recession for over 20 years, triple A credit rating unemployment peaked a 6% during GFC back down to 5% now. we have gone from the 17th largest economy to 11th largest economy. gone from 20th richest per capita to 10th richest per capita.

http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/commission-of-audit-report-paints-bleak-picture-of-the-australian-economy/story-fn84fgcm-1226903266307

Australia has remained recession free for 22 years, with inflation at 2.9 per cent and unemployment at 6 per cent.

Professor Junankar said it also has a low debt to GDP ratio when compared with its OECD counterparts.

“And yet if you listen to some politicians they believe that Australia is in debt crisis — but actually, Australia is in a far better situation than pretty much every other country. Until the population start listening to some of the facts, rather than myths about the economy, the negative stories will dominate rather than reality.”

CommSec chief economist Craig James agrees there’s no doubt the Australian economy is faring well.

“Any Reserve Bank minutes show it becomes very clear the Australian economy is in good shape. We’ve continued to grow, we seem to be managing a once in a generation spike in commodity prices,” he said.

The country has also managed to pull off a “remarkable transition” from mining to construction without a massive boom and bust. Unemployment is also relatively low, inflation is under control and the level of budget deficit is low compared to other nations.

AMP Capital economist Shane Oliver said Australia is nowhere near the emergency status seen in other economies.

“I don’t believe the debt is at a level that it poses a risk to Australia. It’s a million miles away from Greece, Italy, Spain, if we think we’ve got problems we’re kidding ourselves.”

The scaredy-cat brigade desperately wants to believe that diversity will be the death of any country that embraces it.

You guys just keep wishing and praying that change doesn't come, see where it gets you. A hint -- residence in a moldy old out-of-touch country that might hang onto a tourism economy, as people are always interested in learning about ancient history

The tragedy of it all is that you guys have people who really don't deserve the pain that your misguided, and seemingly sure-to-succeed, act of planting your heads into the sand is going to bring. And of course, that as a modern crossroads between East and West, you had the opportunity to dial back the animosity, yet so many of you choose to make it worse, thus basically assuring that a lot of people are going to die in a stupid conflict.

I still await the news reports that the anti-immigration bunch has decided to fight back and take up arms against this invasion you imagine, rather than the oh-so-useful option of crying like babies on the Internet about it.

Meanwhile, countries like the U.S. and Australia (not to mention the whole of South America and many other places like it) will continue to take the good with the bad and let the good carry us to superior competitiveness   

Shady wrote:

Spindleshanks wrote:

What invasion?

Why don't you just say that you want to go round in circles thus avoiding addressing the situation?

Do not worry, poor shady has about as much sense as a man trying to push a door open with a pull sign.

smelly_bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:


Nope.....

How does that show I approve of slavery?

Hilarious, it shows blacks have been here since the Roman times as auxiliary soldiers.

Some have been brought here against their wish, others were not, again showing what little you know of the history of this nation.

Anything else idiotic you wish to embarrass yourself with?

Think about it didge

Nothing to think about as I am against slavery

Ben_Reilly wrote:The scaredy-cat brigade desperately wants to believe that diversity will be the death of any country that embraces it.

You guys just keep wishing and praying that change doesn't come, see where it gets you. A hint -- residence in a moldy old out-of-touch country that might hang onto a tourism economy, as people are always interested in learning about ancient history

The tragedy of it all is that you guys have people who really don't deserve the pain that your misguided, and seemingly sure-to-succeed, act of planting your heads into the sand is going to bring. And of course, that as a modern crossroads between East and West, you had the opportunity to dial back the animosity, yet so many of you choose to make it worse, thus basically assuring that a lot of people are going to die in a stupid conflict.

I still await the news reports that the anti-immigration bunch has decided to fight back and take up arms against this invasion you imagine, rather than the oh-so-useful option of crying like babies on the Internet about it.

Meanwhile, countries like the U.S. and Australia (not to mention the whole of South America and many other places like it) will continue to take the good with the bad and let the good carry us to superior competitiveness   

Bang on the money, there are always some who come that do not integrate but it is those opposed to immigration that are the real problems for integration, prejudice based upon a poor belief they own a country, when they are thus only part of a nation, thinking they can dictate where people can come to live, even though they were lucky to have been born within that nation. That is nothing short of some people being spoilt brats.

Didge wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:The scaredy-cat brigade desperately wants to believe that diversity will be the death of any country that embraces it.

You guys just keep wishing and praying that change doesn't come, see where it gets you. A hint -- residence in a moldy old out-of-touch country that might hang onto a tourism economy, as people are always interested in learning about ancient history

The tragedy of it all is that you guys have people who really don't deserve the pain that your misguided, and seemingly sure-to-succeed, act of planting your heads into the sand is going to bring. And of course, that as a modern crossroads between East and West, you had the opportunity to dial back the animosity, yet so many of you choose to make it worse, thus basically assuring that a lot of people are going to die in a stupid conflict.

I still await the news reports that the anti-immigration bunch has decided to fight back and take up arms against this invasion you imagine, rather than the oh-so-useful option of crying like babies on the Internet about it.

Meanwhile, countries like the U.S. and Australia (not to mention the whole of South America and many other places like it) will continue to take the good with the bad and let the good carry us to superior competitiveness   

Bang on the money, there are always some who come that do not integrate but it is those opposed to immigration that are the real problems for integration, prejudice based upon a poor belief they own a country, when they are thus only part of a nation, thinking they can dictate where people can come to live, even though they were lucky to have been born within that nation. That is nothing short of some people being spoilt brats.

Agreed, and I don't mean to come of as anti-British here. There's a way to preserve the best of what your country is about while embracing new contributors to your society as well.

The problem is when people start reading the crime blotter and decide that every person with a "funny-sounding" name must be behind everything bad that happens in their neighborhood. It's a childish way of viewing the world that speaks to low intelligence and a very sheltered upbringing, or at the very least, a mental rigidity that never helps people and always stands in the way of bigger and better things.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Didge wrote:



Bang on the money, there are always some who come that do not integrate but it is those opposed to immigration that are the real problems for integration, prejudice based upon a poor belief they own a country, when they are thus only part of a nation, thinking they can dictate where people can come to live, even though they were lucky to have been born within that nation. That is nothing short of some people being spoilt brats.

Agreed, and I don't mean to come of as anti-British here. There's a way to preserve the best of what your country is about while embracing new contributors to your society as well.

The problem is when people start reading the crime blotter and decide that every person with a "funny-sounding" name must be behind everything bad that happens in their neighborhood. It's a childish way of viewing the world that speaks to low intelligence and a very sheltered upbringing, or at the very least, a mental rigidity that never helps people and always stands in the way of bigger and better things.

Indeed Ben, they lose any logic and sound reasoning, because prejudice views supersede any they may have had on a matter. To be honest I would not take the view based on some posters here, I actually think the UK is one of the most tolerant nations you will find and even if you look at people drawn to UKIP it has come about through scare stories. Though as the economy continues to become better people have less to blame or point the finger at others for, and that is the rub of it. Through hard times and recessions, prejudice parties gain popularity, they also lose popularity as stated when things improve, showing these parties play upon scare tactics to win votes.

Didge wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Didge wrote:



Bang on the money, there are always some who come that do not integrate but it is those opposed to immigration that are the real problems for integration, prejudice based upon a poor belief they own a country, when they are thus only part of a nation, thinking they can dictate where people can come to live, even though they were lucky to have been born within that nation. That is nothing short of some people being spoilt brats.

Agreed, and I don't mean to come of as anti-British here. There's a way to preserve the best of what your country is about while embracing new contributors to your society as well.

The problem is when people start reading the crime blotter and decide that every person with a "funny-sounding" name must be behind everything bad that happens in their neighborhood. It's a childish way of viewing the world that speaks to low intelligence and a very sheltered upbringing, or at the very least, a mental rigidity that never helps people and always stands in the way of bigger and better things.

Indeed Ben, they lose any logic and sound reasoning, because prejudice views supersede any they may have had on a matter. To be honest I would not take the view based on some posters here, I actually think the UK is one of the most tolerant nations you will find and even if you look at people drawn to UKIP it has come about through scare stories. Though as the economy continues to become better people have less to blame or point the finger at others for, and that is the rub of it. Through hard times and recessions, prejudice parties gain popularity, they also lose popularity as stated when things improve, showing these parties play upon scare tactics to win votes.

They certainly do, I feel bad for those who fall for their scare tactics.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Didge wrote:

Indeed Ben, they lose any logic and sound reasoning, because prejudice views supersede any they may have had on a matter. To be honest I would not take the view based on some posters here, I actually think the UK is one of the most tolerant nations you will find and even if you look at people drawn to UKIP it has come about through scare stories. Though as the economy continues to become better people have less to blame or point the finger at others for, and that is the rub of it. Through hard times and recessions, prejudice parties gain popularity, they also lose popularity as stated when things improve, showing these parties play upon scare tactics to win votes.

They certainly do, I feel bad for those who fall for their scare tactics.

  

This is well worth a read on this actual report:




A report shows that non-white people will soon make up a third of the population. Far from this being a threat to our identity, says Simon Kelner, the patriotism shown by those with ethnic backgrounds offers fresh hope for the future

It is richly ironic that a right-wing think-tank should author a report that creates such a positive impression about immigration, ethnic integration and this polyglot nation. Positivity may be in the eye of the beholder and I accept that there are some people who will be alarmed by the findings of this Policy Exchange document, notably the headline conclusion that, by midway through this century, non-white people could make up a third of the British population.

But the picture presented in the report – a comprehensive study of Britain's black and ethnic minority groups – is one, I believe, that offers hope for a future in which racial and ethnic tensions become increasingly rare. For example, there is the welcome trend towards integration between minority groups themselves – illustrated by the fact that one in eight multi-person households includes representatives of more than one ethnicity – and plenty of evidence that people from ethnic backgrounds are more likely to associate themselves with Britain, or what they perceive to be British values, than the white population.

Even The Daily Telegraph found the report cheering. "It is a reminder what a unifying concept Britain is," it said in a leading article. "Britain is a nation that so many of its newest citizens are proud to call their own."

I'm not in the habit of quoting other organs but this is highly indicative of a changing attitude from those who would traditionally see hazard in the report's findings and would bemoan the loss of British identity as a result of these seismic demographic changes. By 2050, Britain will have a young, educated, and, in the main, motivated workforce – for instance, the average British Bangladeshi is 22 years old, compared with an average age of 39 for a white Briton – and, in a highly competitive global market, this is more likely to give the UK an edge than a knowledge of Morris dancing.

English – rather than British – identity is seen as the province of white people. Of those polled, 64 per cent of white people described their sole nationality as English and only 14 per cent felt that their nationality was British. These are significant figures, and a new English nationalism has been fed largely by a disenfranchised white working class that, understandably, feels insecure about the changes it sees around it. English nationalism is a force that could yet undermine social harmony, and would explain why some of us feel uncomfortable about the increasing preponderance of the flag of St George (something we're going to see rather a lot of throughout the month of June).

I have always, however, found the idea of a homogenous English, or indeed British, identity rather moot. And on the day when statistics show that parts of the UK are poorer than rural Poland, while London is the richest city in Europe with an average spending power per capita of £71,000, the belief that we are one nation, unified by a love of cricket, warm beer, and Morecambe and Wise is outdated in the extreme. The social and economic inequality in Britain is such that we are a massively divided nation. We should be thankful that at least our ethnic minorities have a more holistic view of our country.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/features/why-our-rainbow-nation-offers-hope-for-the-future-9328338.html

stardesk wrote:
Hi Spindle. Yes indeed we've had migrations over the centuries, the Romans, Saxons, Normans, Danes, and although some were worshippers of other Gods and Goddesses, they eventually adopted Christianity. More on that in a minute. These different races were white, like the indigenous British people. But, they eventually became Christian, and this is what our heritage and traditions are based on. Nearly 2,000 years of Christian modes of life and morals, such as the Commandments. These attributes forged the way we are, and indeed still are, although these days we are seeing that long tradition being watered down, and our way of life being interfered with and altered by foriegn cultures..............

No Spindle, I'm not racist, just trying to be logical and factual.

  

"Factual..", star' ?!?

In a pig's eye are you being "factual" on this topic..

Ignore the Saracens and the Ottamans.
Don't worry that the first Jews and Muslims would have appeared over there several hundreds of years ago..

AS for "traditions" ~ seems to be that those good ol' English "traditions" are forever changing and evolving, to cope with over 2,000 years of inward migrations...
And while the idea may be unpopular with the likes of you, Tess, Baggs', L'ilAndy and Smelly, the real fact is that the "English" do in fact remain one of the most 'mongrelised' and outbred peoples on the planet !   

Lone Wolf wrote:

stardesk wrote:
Hi Spindle. Yes indeed we've had migrations over the centuries, the Romans, Saxons, Normans, Danes, and although some were worshippers of other Gods and Goddesses, they eventually adopted Christianity. More on that in a minute. These different races were white, like the indigenous British people. But, they eventually became Christian, and this is what our heritage and traditions are based on. Nearly 2,000 years of Christian modes of life and morals, such as the Commandments. These attributes forged the way we are, and indeed still are, although these days we are seeing that long tradition being watered down, and our way of life being interfered with and altered by foriegn cultures..............

No Spindle, I'm not racist, just trying to be logical and factual.

  

"Factual..", star' ?!?

In a pig's eye are you being "factual" on this topic..

Ignore the Saracens and the Ottamans.
Don't worry that the first Jews and Muslims would have appeared over there several hundreds of years ago..

AS for "traditions" ~ seems to be that those good ol' English "traditions" are forever changing and evolving, to cope with over 2,000 years of internal migrations...
And while the idea may be unpopular with the likes of you, Tess, Baggs', L'ilAndy and Smelly, the real fact is that the "English" do in fact remain one of the most 'mongrelised' and outbred peoples on the planet !    

Well I'd rather be outbred than inbred.

Tesstacious wrote:

Lone Wolf wrote:

stardesk wrote:
Hi Spindle. Yes indeed we've had migrations over the centuries, the Romans, Saxons, Normans, Danes, and although some were worshippers of other Gods and Goddesses, they eventually adopted Christianity. More on that in a minute. These different races were white, like the indigenous British people. But, they eventually became Christian, and this is what our heritage and traditions are based on. Nearly 2,000 years of Christian modes of life and morals, such as the Commandments. These attributes forged the way we are, and indeed still are, although these days we are seeing that long tradition being watered down, and our way of life being interfered with and altered by foriegn cultures..............

No Spindle, I'm not racist, just trying to be logical and factual.

  

"Factual..", star' ?!?

In a pig's eye are you being "factual" on this topic..

Ignore the Saracens and the Ottamans.
Don't worry that the first Jews and Muslims would have appeared over there several hundreds of years ago..

AS for "traditions" ~ seems to be that those good ol' English "traditions" are forever changing and evolving, to cope with over 2,000 years of internal migrations...
And while the idea may be unpopular with the likes of you, Tess, Baggs', L'ilAndy and Smelly, the real fact is that the "English" do in fact remain one of the most 'mongrelised' and outbred peoples on the planet !    

Well I'd rather be outbred than inbred.

ummmm what do you think happens if only English people live in England......    You are all related to one another   

we got every color of the cultural rainbow        

I guess Wolf is almost old enough to be born under white Australia policy    You're not originally from Tasmania are you wolf     

veya_victaous wrote:

Tesstacious wrote:

Well I'd rather be outbred than inbred.

ummmm what do you think  happens if only English people live in England......    You are all related to one another   

we got every color of the cultural rainbow        

I guess Wolf is almost old enough to be born under white Australia policy    You're not originally from Tasmania are you wolf     

ummmm the English tend not to marry and breed with their first cousins, and I'm not being racist, statistics show this is very common in Muslim communities.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/250164/

Tesstacious wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Tesstacious wrote:

Well I'd rather be outbred than inbred.

ummmm what do you think  happens if only English people live in England......    You are all related to one another   

we got every color of the cultural rainbow        

I guess Wolf is almost old enough to be born under white Australia policy    You're not originally from Tasmania are you wolf     

ummmm the English tend not to marry and breed with their first cousins, and I'm not being racist, statistics show this is very common in Muslim communities.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/250164/

That's why you guys need to marry them.....   

even with not marrying your 1st cousins with such a limited gene pool those genes will become stagnant   

Lone Wolf wrote:

stardesk wrote:
Hi Spindle. Yes indeed we've had migrations over the centuries, the Romans, Saxons, Normans, Danes, and although some were worshippers of other Gods and Goddesses, they eventually adopted Christianity. More on that in a minute. These different races were white, like the indigenous British people. But, they eventually became Christian, and this is what our heritage and traditions are based on. Nearly 2,000 years of Christian modes of life and morals, such as the Commandments. These attributes forged the way we are, and indeed still are, although these days we are seeing that long tradition being watered down, and our way of life being interfered with and altered by foriegn cultures..............

No Spindle, I'm not racist, just trying to be logical and factual.

  

"Factual..", star' ?!?

In a pig's eye are you being "factual" on this topic..

Ignore the Saracens and the Ottamans.
Don't worry that the first Jews and Muslims would have appeared over there several hundreds of years ago..

AS for "traditions" ~ seems to be that those good ol' English "traditions" are forever changing and evolving, to cope with over 2,000 years of inward migrations...
And while the idea may be unpopular with the likes of you, Tess, Baggs', L'ilAndy and Smelly, the real fact is that the "English" do in fact remain one of the most 'mongrelised' and outbred peoples on the planet !   

I find that very Racist to suggest that the English are not pure because they do not interbreed.

you seem to be suggesting that other cultures are pure because they inbreed within their own culture/religion/family.

We already have enough 'diversity'.

There's a school in Brent where 42 different languages are spoken by the kids there.


We don't want or need any more immigrants.


There is no more room at the inn.


We are full.

stardesk wrote:
Hi Spindle. Yes indeed we've had migrations over the centuries, the Romans, Saxons, Normans, Danes, and although some were worshippers of other Gods and Goddesses, they eventually adopted Christianity. More on that in a minute. These different races were white, like the indigenous British people. But, they eventually became Christian, and this is what our heritage and traditions are based on. Nearly 2,000 years of Christian modes of life and morals, such as the Commandments. These attributes forged the way we are, and indeed still are, although these days we are seeing that long tradition being watered down, and our way of life being interfered with and altered by foriegn cultures..............

One small example is the Subway shops. 200 of them, nationally, are stopping selling any pork menus, ie. bacon etc. Is that the start of Halal foods making our own traditional food illegal? Where will it end? When we are the minority? When Muslim MPs outnumber our own, and alter our laws and everything else?


No Spindle, I'm not racist, just trying to be logical and factual.

HI Stardesk

But that really is not quite true is it? If anything  the Romano Britons had adapted Celtic Christianity as well as the Catholic version and again most of the saints were adapted from pagan worship and sites to build churches on, which helped convert people to where they originally worshiped a local deity to then become a saint. This shows nothing more than a merging of faiths, just as we see happen itself with happening with Mithras, one of the clever actions by Constantine to make the birthday of Jesus to fall on Mithra's birthday of 25th December, again helping two religions to adapt Christian view as predominant. It is also not 2000 years of Christian traditions, as it began here in Britain in the third century AD and you can hardly call some of the conversion with the Vikings peaceful more like forced to convert or die. For centuries like many European nations Christianity were based upon the old testament to the point of people being butchered for heresy, witchcraft and then later Catholicism, where we also know of much persecution throughout the ages to Jews. So you can hardly call that a moral or wonderful history based upon the views where Christianity held reign for centuries by those that still do the same within Islam today, of which is the problem people ruling as if they speak for their deity. It was people enlightened that broke away from the dogma of Christian Church where again it was the Church here that has always tried to hold back many things from evolution, to women having the vote, in fact the Church has been the greatest opponent basing their views on Cultural pessimism, so much that this is still apparent today, with women still not seen equally within the Church and again as recently wanting to deny homosexuals equality with Marriage. If anything it has been those who profess to follow Christianity that has held back any form of equality or morals. This country is steeped in discrimination and persecution because of the interpretations of the Christian Church.

So I would not hold any view that this country was forged upon Christian values, if anything it broke away from Christian Dogma and still is to the point atheism is rising to be the biggest belief or no belief system, as you may want to call it. What our history shows us is that like today where religion is in charge and has power many bad things happen and it constrains society from progression. A nation is made by its people and this nation has seen throughout history an influx of different ethnic groups, people bemoan about the mass migration today but it would have paled in comparison, to when the Romans first came, to then the Saxons and Vikings came. All would have come with with what would have seemed freighting to a very small widespread sparsely populated Britain, during the Roman times around 4 million and drops to around 2 at the end of the Roman Empire. I mean during the Roman Empire the population of London was no more than 10,000 which did not significantly grow to around 40,000 until the 11th century. Seriously what would have 10,000 people in London have felt faced with just an invading force of 5,000? Britain certainly fought back against the  Saxon invaders as they did against the Romans, to the extent the Romans never fully conquered the whole Island. All we find with most arguments on immigration, where they are not invasions, but where we ourselves have conquered and populated and altered the continents so much so around the world with other European nations to majority white populations, is that we now fear as if sharing our nation to other peoples from around the world is wrong, considering our own history changed the demographics as stated of whole continents. Does seem a silly argument to make, when again if we had never had an Empire, would many of these immigrants have wanted to come here in the first place, being as many are from former nations under the Empire?

So you left out many facts and just because Christianity dominated, it certainly was not a happy time when ruled by an iron fist of the monarchies and the Church for those who did not believe. The whole point is what are people fearing here? Is it now that are country is becoming more diverse with more Blacks and Asians, who have been on these shores for centuries and that people are thinking in terms of skin colour or is it again about how many different ethnic people like we see in America can make a nation through an identity of that nation and still be proud of their roots? We progressed in the 20 century by standing up to the religious dogma of the Church

Tesstacious wrote: Almost one in three people in Britain will be from an ethnic minority within a generation, a report suggests.

Non-white people will make up between 20 and 30 per cent of the population by 2050, Policy Exchange says. The current share is around 14 per cent.

The report could also raise questions about the future of the English national identity, which it found is primarily adopted by white people. The think tank, which has close links to the Conservative Party leadership, also highlights differences in the political leanings of different ethnic groups, advising politicians not to treat minority voters as a bloc.

The expected growth in the non-white population is largely attributed to a higher birth rate among ethnic minority Britons. A quarter of children aged under 10 in the UK are from ethnic minorities. By contrast, 95 per cent of people aged over 60 are white.

Over the past decade, the white population has remained roughly the same while the minority population has almost doubled, accounting for 80 per cent of population growth, it adds.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10809481/Non-white-people-almost-30-per-cent-of-population-by-2050.html

Funny, I'm sure I remember reading a couple of years back that the percentage of minorities would be 25% at most by 2050.  Looks like the figures are changing every year.  Even taking these figures and the difference in birth rates, it would appear that it's the indigenous English who'll be in the minority in the not too distant future.

And?

So?

The point being?We are all people aren't we, just have different colour skin,eye colour,hair colour etc.We are all human,it's just window dressing.

I am bored of this rubbish and losing patience. Who cares about this bigotry.I'm PROUD to be part of a mulicultural Britain which accepts other creeds,colours and religions thanks.  

FluffyBunny wrote:

Tesstacious wrote: Almost one in three people in Britain will be from an ethnic minority within a generation, a report suggests.

Non-white people will make up between 20 and 30 per cent of the population by 2050, Policy Exchange says. The current share is around 14 per cent.

The report could also raise questions about the future of the English national identity, which it found is primarily adopted by white people. The think tank, which has close links to the Conservative Party leadership, also highlights differences in the political leanings of different ethnic groups, advising politicians not to treat minority voters as a bloc.

The expected growth in the non-white population is largely attributed to a higher birth rate among ethnic minority Britons. A quarter of children aged under 10 in the UK are from ethnic minorities. By contrast, 95 per cent of people aged over 60 are white.

Over the past decade, the white population has remained roughly the same while the minority population has almost doubled, accounting for 80 per cent of population growth, it adds.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10809481/Non-white-people-almost-30-per-cent-of-population-by-2050.html

Funny, I'm sure I remember reading a couple of years back that the percentage of minorities would be 25% at most by 2050.  Looks like the figures are changing every year.  Even taking these figures and the difference in birth rates, it would appear that it's the indigenous English who'll be in the minority in the not too distant future.

And?

So?

The point being?We are all people aren't we, just have different colour skin,eye colour,hair colour etc.We are all human,it's just window dressing.

I am bored of this rubbish and losing patience. Who cares about this bigotry.I'm PROUD to be part of a  mulicultural Britain which accepts other creeds,colours and religions thanks.  

So our children whilst having lunch, prisoners and many of Subway's clientele have to eat Halal meat.

The Chinese don't force dumplings on us, the Japenese don't insist only Sushi can be eaten........Even vegetarians allow meat in an area next to the lettuce...............

The mutliculture only seems to be going one way..................... Their way... the fundamentalist Muslims

Shopping on a Friday will be the next on their shopping list to attack

FluffyBunny wrote:

Tesstacious wrote: Almost one in three people in Britain will be from an ethnic minority within a generation, a report suggests.

Non-white people will make up between 20 and 30 per cent of the population by 2050, Policy Exchange says. The current share is around 14 per cent.

The report could also raise questions about the future of the English national identity, which it found is primarily adopted by white people. The think tank, which has close links to the Conservative Party leadership, also highlights differences in the political leanings of different ethnic groups, advising politicians not to treat minority voters as a bloc.

The expected growth in the non-white population is largely attributed to a higher birth rate among ethnic minority Britons. A quarter of children aged under 10 in the UK are from ethnic minorities. By contrast, 95 per cent of people aged over 60 are white.

Over the past decade, the white population has remained roughly the same while the minority population has almost doubled, accounting for 80 per cent of population growth, it adds.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10809481/Non-white-people-almost-30-per-cent-of-population-by-2050.html

Funny, I'm sure I remember reading a couple of years back that the percentage of minorities would be 25% at most by 2050.  Looks like the figures are changing every year.  Even taking these figures and the difference in birth rates, it would appear that it's the indigenous English who'll be in the minority in the not too distant future.

And?

So?

The point being?We are all people aren't we, just have different colour skin,eye colour,hair colour etc.We are all human,it's just window dressing.

I am bored of this rubbish and losing patience. Who cares about this bigotry.I'm PROUD to be part of a  mulicultural Britain which accepts other creeds,colours and religions thanks.  

Rubbish? Reality check here:

Anger of mother who has to home-school her daughter after NINE different schools rejected her four-year-old

Estelle Perrons, four, supposed to start primary school last September
She was hoping to attend nearby school with her two sisters
However school told single-mother Emily, 26, there was no space
Another nine schools in the local area have also said they are full up

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2621763/Anger-mother-home-school-daughter-NINE-different-schools-rejected-four-year-old.html#ixzz312cOmPAk

Notice the last sentence? The schools are FULL UP. This what flooding the country with millions of extra people has caused. Wake up ffs!

'Embrace diversity' - double speak for allow continued mass immigration.

Didge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

Think about it didge

Nothing to think about as I am against slavery

Are you really?

Your comments suggest otherwise

What's the matter didge?? Your little brain in overload thinking about what I mean??

veya_victaous wrote:umm no  ::D::  we haven't had a recession for over 20 years, triple A credit rating unemployment peaked a 6% during GFC back down to 5% now. we have gone from the 17th largest economy to 11th largest economy. gone from 20th richest per capita to 10th richest per capita.

http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/commission-of-audit-report-paints-bleak-picture-of-the-australian-economy/story-fn84fgcm-1226903266307

Australia has remained recession free for 22 years, with inflation at 2.9 per cent and unemployment at 6 per cent.

Professor Junankar said it also has a low debt to GDP ratio when compared with its OECD counterparts.

“And yet if you listen to some politicians they believe that Australia is in debt crisis — but actually, Australia is in a far better situation than pretty much every other country. Until the population start listening to some of the facts, rather than myths about the economy, the negative stories will dominate rather than reality.”

CommSec chief economist Craig James agrees there’s no doubt the Australian economy is faring well.

“Any Reserve Bank minutes show it becomes very clear the Australian economy is in good shape. We’ve continued to grow, we seem to be managing a once in a generation spike in commodity prices,” he said.

The country has also managed to pull off a “remarkable transition” from mining to construction without a massive boom and bust. Unemployment is also relatively low, inflation is under control and the level of budget deficit is low compared to other nations.

AMP Capital economist Shane Oliver said Australia is nowhere near the emergency status seen in other economies.

“I don’t believe the debt is at a level that it poses a risk to Australia. It’s a million miles away from Greece, Italy, Spain, if we think we’ve got problems we’re kidding ourselves.”

Yeah sure Veya.The land of milk & honey......which is fucked liked the rest of the world.

You go on pretending sunshine & I'll keep on laughing.

smelly_bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:



Nothing to think about as I am against slavery

Are you really?

Your comments suggest otherwise

What's the matter didge?? Your little brain in overload thinking about what I mean??

Yes I am smelly being as I already am dying for you to make another monumental fuck up.

So you want to take me on in history please do and then lets then see you squirm away looking stupid

Over to you

gerber wrote:

FluffyBunny wrote:

And?

So?

The point being?We are all people aren't we, just have different colour skin,eye colour,hair colour etc.We are all human,it's just window dressing.

I am bored of this rubbish and losing patience. Who cares about this bigotry.I'm PROUD to be part of a  mulicultural Britain which accepts other creeds,colours and religions thanks.  

So our children whilst having lunch, prisoners and many of Subway's clientele have to eat Halal meat.  

The Chinese don't force dumplings on us, the Japenese don't insist only Sushi can be eaten........Even vegetarians allow meat in an area next to the lettuce...............

The mutliculture only seems to be going one way.....................  Their way...  the fundamentalist Muslims

Shopping on a Friday will be the next on their shopping list to attack

Why do you have to eat Halal Gerber when it is only served in 12% of their stores in mainly high Muslim populations, that is rather a silly view point where again it is also stated which ones, so you again have a choice and are using a view where Subway has decided to have certain stores that do.
I fail to see again how you use Halal as an argument when and if you eat meat in the firt place as stated plenty of times it is a no brainer if you are happy for animals to be slaughtered in the first place to accommodate the needs of your stomach

Tesstacious wrote:

Lone Wolf wrote:
   "Factual..", star' ?!?
...............................

And while the idea may be unpopular with the likes of you, Tess, Baggs', L'ilAndy and Smelly, the real fact is that the "English" do in fact remain one of the most 'mongrelised' and outbred peoples on the planet !    

Well I'd rather be outbred than inbred.

  

MY FOREBEARS tended to agree with you on that point, Tess' !!!

THAT'S shown in my own family ancestry =  1/8 English, 2/8 Scottish, 3/8 Irish, and 1/8 Aboriginal..
I seem to be just as well 'hybridised' as the best of you !   

Shady wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:umm no  ::D::  we haven't had a recession for over 20 years, triple A credit rating unemployment peaked a 6% during GFC back down to 5% now. we have gone from the 17th largest economy to 11th largest economy. gone from 20th richest per capita to 10th richest per capita.

http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/commission-of-audit-report-paints-bleak-picture-of-the-australian-economy/story-fn84fgcm-1226903266307

Yeah sure Veya.The land of milk & honey......which is fucked liked the rest of the world.

You go on pretending sunshine & I'll keep on laughing.

That shows you know very little about the natural resources of Australia, so I think many of us will go on laughing at the many islly posts you keep making because Veya just made you look a right wally

Lone Wolf wrote:

Tesstacious wrote:
Well I'd rather be outbred than inbred.

  
MY FOREBEARS tended to agree with you on that point, Tess' !!!
THAT'S shown in my own family ancestry =  1/8 English, 2/8 Scottish, 3/8 Irish, and 1/8 Aboriginal..
I seem to be just as well 'hybridised' as the best of you !   

That only adds up to 7/8....!

Lone Wolf wrote:

Tesstacious wrote:

Well I'd rather be outbred than inbred.

  

MY FOREBEARS tended to agree with you on that point, Tess' !!!

THAT'S shown in my own family ancestry =  1/8 English, 2/8 Scottish, 3/8 Irish, and 1/8 Aboriginal..
I seem to be just as well 'hybridised' as the best of you !   

And the other 1/8 What ?

Probably made up, just like a load of his other waffle.....

the remaining 1/8 is twat.....and unfortunately appears to be dominant