Growth of ethnic minorities 'could undermine English identity'

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Almost one in three people in Britain will be from an ethnic minority within a generation, a report suggests.

Non-white people will make up between 20 and 30 per cent of the population by 2050, Policy Exchange says. The current share is around 14 per cent.

The report could also raise questions about the future of the English national identity, which it found is primarily adopted by white people. The think tank, which has close links to the Conservative Party leadership, also highlights differences in the political leanings of different ethnic groups, advising politicians not to treat minority voters as a bloc.

The expected growth in the non-white population is largely attributed to a higher birth rate among ethnic minority Britons. A quarter of children aged under 10 in the UK are from ethnic minorities. By contrast, 95 per cent of people aged over 60 are white.

Over the past decade, the white population has remained roughly the same while the minority population has almost doubled, accounting for 80 per cent of population growth, it adds.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10809481/Non-white-people-almost-30-per-cent-of-population-by-2050.html

Funny, I'm sure I remember reading a couple of years back that the percentage of minorities would be 25% at most by 2050. Looks like the figures are changing every year. Even taking these figures and the difference in birth rates, it would appear that it's the indigenous English who'll be in the minority in the not too distant future.

Tommy Monk wrote:So, wi-fi and some farming......


And how are your rivers doing with all the water taken out for this farming?






And Scrat, isn't that what is happening with the mass importation of cheap labour?


But it is not the solution, in The long term it only exacerbates the problem!!!!

Rivers are getting better now that most of the Farmers using Old fashioned (European) ways are leaving the land.

I do advocate national investment in water moving infrastructure... the real issue is drought in one place flood in another    if we could move it where we needed it we could produce even more.

And we played this Game with Quill already Aussie beat you per capita for inventions in the last 50 years       

You started it, just asked you to back up your claims, and still waiting.....

veya_victaous wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:So, wi-fi and some farming......


And how are your rivers doing with all the water taken out for this farming?






And Scrat, isn't that what is happening with the mass importation of cheap labour?


But it is not the solution, in The long term it only exacerbates the problem!!!!

Rivers are getting better now that most of the Farmers using Old fashioned (European) ways are leaving the land.

I do advocate national investment in water moving infrastructure... the real issue is drought in one place flood in another    if we could move it where we needed it we could produce even more.

And we played this Game with Quill already Aussie beat you per capita for inventions in the last 50 years       

We certainly did, i think America came last lol

veya_victaous wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:So, wi-fi and some farming......


And how are your rivers doing with all the water taken out for this farming?






And Scrat, isn't that what is happening with the mass importation of cheap labour?


But it is not the solution, in The long term it only exacerbates the problem!!!!

Rivers are getting better now that most of the Farmers using Old fashioned (European) ways are leaving the land.

I do advocate national investment in water moving infrastructure... the real issue is drought in one place flood in another    if we could move it where we needed it we could produce even more.

And we played this Game with Quill already Aussie beat you per capita for inventions in the last 50 years       

I reckons you'd be licking too many toads.

Britain is at the forefront of events, hence the reason you worship us with our flag.

Sassy wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:So, wi-fi and some farming......


And how are your rivers doing with all the water taken out for this farming?






And Scrat, isn't that what is happening with the mass importation of cheap labour?


But it is not the solution, in The long term it only exacerbates the problem!!!!

Rivers are getting better now that most of the Farmers using Old fashioned (European) ways are leaving the land.

I do advocate national investment in water moving infrastructure... the real issue is drought in one place flood in another    if we could move it where we needed it we could produce even more.

And we played this Game with Quill already Aussie beat you per capita for inventions in the last 50 years       

We certainly did, i think America came last lol

yes they did       but Quill consoled himself that California, if it were an independent nation would have done better. ::D::

veya_victaous wrote:

Sassy wrote:

We certainly did, i think America came last lol

yes they did        but Quill consoled himself that California, if it were an independent nation would have done better.   ::D::

Yea well, he's got to console himself with something!   

scrat wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:So, wi-fi and some farming......


And how are your rivers doing with all the water taken out for this farming?






And Scrat, isn't that what is happening with the mass importation of cheap labour?


But it is not the solution, in The long term it only exacerbates the problem!!!!

Rivers are getting better now that most of the Farmers using Old fashioned (European) ways are leaving the land.

I do advocate national investment in water moving infrastructure... the real issue is drought in one place flood in another    if we could move it where we needed it we could produce even more.

And we played this Game with Quill already Aussie beat you per capita for inventions in the last 50 years       

I reckons you'd be licking too many toads.

Britain is at the forefront of events, hence the reason you worship us with our flag.

this would be prettier       

You started it, I only asked you to back up your claim.....



And so far you have only come up with two things.



Farming is not an Australian invention, and neither is industrial farming.



And wi-fi?????



Really?????



Firstly, is that all you can come up with????



Secondly.....


"...There is so much controversy about who invented Wi- Fi. If the basis is being patented, the credit of inventing Wi-Fi goes to the Australians. However, the precursor of Wi- Fi was invented by NCR Corporation together with the AT&T Corporation, which are American companies..."





Why didn't you just go for the safe option..........












And maybe you should go for a flag with less stars and a crescent moon added.....???!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:You started it, I only asked you to back up your claim.....



And so far you have only come up with two things.



Farming is not an Australian invention, and neither is industrial farming.



And wi-fi?????



Really?????



Firstly, is that all you can come up with????



Secondly.....


"...There is so much controversy about who invented Wi- Fi. If the basis is being patented, the credit of inventing Wi-Fi goes to the Australians. However, the precursor of Wi- Fi was invented by NCR Corporation together with the AT&T Corporation, which are American companies..."





Why didn't you just go for the safe option..........












And maybe you should go for a flag with less stars and a crescent moon added.....???!!!

Oh do shut Tommy, we have done the lists before, and I can assure you the Aussies did as well if not better than us. And they are a much more integrated and happy country than this bloody place will ever be, with all the whingers and whiners there are.

Tommy Monk wrote:You started it, I only asked you to back up your claim.....



And so far you have only come up with two things.



Farming is not an Australian invention, and neither is industrial farming.



And wi-fi?????



Really?????



Firstly, is that all you can come up with????



Secondly.....


"...There is so much controversy about who invented Wi- Fi. If the basis is being patented, the credit of inventing Wi-Fi goes to the Australians. However, the precursor of Wi- Fi was invented by NCR Corporation together with the AT&T Corporation, which are American companies..."





Why didn't you just go for the safe option..........












And maybe you should go for a flag with less stars and a crescent moon added.....???!!!

The Union Jack is replaced with the Aboriginal flag           

AND make me look it up again, you better come up with a list too Tommy               

http://australia.gov.au/about-australia/australian-story/austn-inventions
http://www.australiangeographic.com.au/topics/history-culture/2010/06/world-changing-aussie-inventions

in-vitro fertilisation
In 1984, the first frozen in-vitro fertilisation24 baby was born in Melbourne, Australia, using a technique developed by Dr Alan Trounson and Dr Linda Mohr. Since then, many thousands of couples around the world have been born to couple who were previously thought infertile, thanks to this amazing technology.

Dr Fiona Stanley21, Australian of the Year in 2003, was part of a team of scientists who discovered the benefits of taking folate prior to and during early pregnancy. Her discovery has meant that there are far fewer babies born in the world today who suffer from spina bifida22. Her research has meant that a very simple and low-cost prevention is available for most cases of this terrible condition - pregnant mothers need to ensure they eat a diet with plenty of folate-rich foods or simply take a vitamin pill each day.

Recent developments in nanotechnology by Australian scientists include a tiny machine (just 1.5 billionths of a metre in size) with moving parts only several molecules wide, which has been developed by a team of researchers at the Cooperative Research Centre for Molecular Engineering and Technology in Sydney. This nanomachine25 can be placed inside our bodies by doctors wanting to detect drugs or viruses in the blood, or to identify gene sequences for diagnosing genetic disorders.

Melbournian Dr Graeme Clark19 pioneered the development of the world's first bionic ear20 – a miraculous device that literally lets deaf people hear. Dr Clark's work has brought an extra dimension to and vastly improved the quality of life of over 50,000 people in 120 countries.


Black box flight recorder (but technically that is 53 years ago)

Spray-on skin
In 1999 Professor Fiona Wood patented her spray-on skin technique. The innovation involves taking a small patch of the victim's healthy skin and using it to grow new skin cells in a laboratory

Polymer bank notes
Plastic bank notes were developed in a combined effort by the Reserve Bank of Australia and CSIRO. The polymer material of the bank notes makes them very durable and counterfeit resistant. The bank notes first circulated in Australia in 1988.

Permaculture
In 1972 Bill Mollison had the epiphany which led to the development of permaculture, a concept that uses a natural approach to designing self-sufficient human settlements and agricultural systems. Today permaculture is an alternative to chemical-based agriculture which can be harmful to humans and the environment

Ultrasound scanner
In 1976 Ausonics commercialised the ultrasound scanner. While studying ultrasound technology, CSIRO's Ultrasonic Research Centre discovered a way to differentiate ultrasound echoes bouncing off soft tissue in the body and converting them to TV images

Gardasil and Cervarix cancer vaccines
In 2006 Professor Ian Frazer discovered how to create a vaccination for cervical cancer. The commercial application, Gardasil, is a vaccine to prevent certain types of human papillomavirus (HPV)

Frazier lens
In 1993 Jim Frazier's deep-focus lens was patented in the United States. His innovative lens allowed for both the subject and background to be focused on at the same time. It also has the ability to rotate without the movement of the camera

Tank-bred tuna system
In 2008 Hagen Stehr may have saved the southern blue fin tuna from extinction. The clean-seas system fools the tuna in a tank into thinking they are swimming out of the Australian Bight and into their breeding grounds.



And the only controversy with Wi Fi was they were trying to steal it, Once it was taken to international courts it was declared we invented it and we get the royalties.     

You might be right with your last point Sassy, as Australia is a nation made of immigrants, with strict controls on who is allowed to enter there.
The indigenous population however are not so happy on things.......
While here we have largely open door and uncontrolled immigration, masses of people flooding in from all over the world, into our tiny island, and an infrastructure that has gone beyond creaking under the strain to ready to collapse.
Just a thought.....

Veya, we have all the technologies too!



Your claim was about us being 40 years behind and no longer modern, not about bragging rights on inventions in (only) the last 50 years.....




So tell us what you got that we don't to make us 40 years behind!!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:Veya, we have all the technologies too!



Your claim was about us being 40 years behind and no longer modern, not about bragging rights on inventions in (only) the last 50 years.....




So tell us what you got that we don't to make us 40 years behind!!!!

It is what you got that makes you behind.
Your Attitude   

You seem to have misinterpreted my point, Your attitude is 40 years behind, I even Qualified what I said already and Pointed out "that out You think everyone else is behind but now were are all slightly in front." Europe no longer has better infrastructure or health care and education. You have sat on your laurels for too long now everyone else is running past you. (all of Europe is like this)
Your mono cultural have virtual no understanding of the globalised world, too low immigration. not enough innovation. still use Traditional inefficient methods for public maintenance. Unable to face challenges unable to meet modern changes and pressures. Insular trade, all your industries only survive because of tariffs. expensive production. old fashioned 'traditional' agriculture. inefficient Traditional Industries, low technology pick up and integration.

But you even displayed the English Attitude   
It doesn't matter that Aussies(or others) invented it as long as you get to use it right ? Glad you think like that and can keep paying royalties to the CSIRO, so it can invent some more things for Aussie taxpayers.

Australia has a fantastic future, it is in an ideal position to exploit the Far East, the future is bright.

Of course Great Britain is in a different league altogether and despite some on the left and many on the right running this great nation down, we're still the reigning champions of the "state of the art", this is where it is at, more innovation is created here, more global culture establishes itself here and more inward investment comes here than any other country in Europe.

scrat wrote:Australia has a fantastic future, it is in an ideal position to exploit the Far East, the future is bright.

Of course Great Britain is in a different league altogether and despite some on the left and many on the right running this great nation down, we're still the reigning champions of the "state of the art", this is where it is at, more innovation is created here, more global culture establishes itself here and more inward investment comes here than any other country in Europe.

Still can't win Eurovision though

smelly_bandit wrote:

scrat wrote:Australia has a fantastic future, it is in an ideal position to exploit the Far East, the future is bright.

Of course Great Britain is in a different league altogether and despite some on the left and many on the right running this great nation down, we're still the reigning champions of the "state of the art", this is where it is at, more innovation is created here, more global culture establishes itself here and more inward investment comes here than any other country in Europe.

Still can't win Eurovision though

Hi Smelly, it's the taking part that counts,,,,,

"The win was also a victory for all people who believe in the future of peace and love and tolerance," said Wurst after the live broadcast, where she cried in front of the cameras.


In fact, for viewers in Russia, Conchita Wurst was the third favourite in the text voting.

Others emphasised the message of tolerance Eurovision was sending to its viewers.

"I think it's important that she won because she represents a different part of society that not everyone accepts," said Fidan Aliyeva from Azerbaijan, who recently finished her studies in Austria.

"She proved that in Europe everyone is accepted," she added.

scrat wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

Still can't win Eurovision though

Hi Smelly, it's the taking part that counts,,,,,

"The win was also a victory for all people who believe in the future of peace and love and tolerance," said Wurst after the live broadcast, where she cried in front of the cameras.


In fact, for viewers in Russia, Conchita Wurst was the third favourite in the text voting.

Others emphasised the message of tolerance Eurovision was sending to its viewers.

"I think it's important that she won because she represents a different part of society that not everyone accepts," said Fidan Aliyeva from Azerbaijan, who recently finished her studies in Austria.

"She proved that in Europe everyone is accepted," she added.

Does Conchita mean that it wasn't the actual song that people liked?

Raggamuffin wrote:

scrat wrote:
Hi Smelly, it's the taking part that counts,,,,,

"The win was also a victory for all people who believe in the future of peace and love and tolerance," said Wurst after the live broadcast, where she cried in front of the cameras.


In fact, for viewers in Russia, Conchita Wurst was the third favourite in the text voting.

Others emphasised the message of tolerance Eurovision was sending to its viewers.

"I think it's important that she won because she represents a different part of society that not everyone accepts," said Fidan Aliyeva from Azerbaijan, who recently finished her studies in Austria.

"She proved that in Europe everyone is accepted," she added.

Does Conchita mean that it wasn't the actual song that people liked?

Probably a bit of both, if the ruskies put it in 3rd place then it must have appealed to many on various levels other than the attraction of just being seen as tolerant.

scrat wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Does Conchita mean that it wasn't the actual song that people liked?

Probably a bit of both, if the ruskies put it in 3rd place then it must have appealed to many on various levels other than the attraction of just being seen as tolerant.

Yeah. Vladimir Zhirinovsky didn't agree though.

There’s no limit to our outrage.

 

Raggamuffin wrote:

scrat wrote:
Probably a bit of both, if the ruskies put it in 3rd place then it must have appealed to many on various levels other than the attraction of just being seen as tolerant.

Yeah. Vladimir Zhirinovsky didn't agree though.

There’s no limit to our outrage.

 

I guess that was due to all the booing!

scrat wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Yeah. Vladimir Zhirinovsky didn't agree though.



 

I guess that was due to all the booing!

He should have been talking about that, but he wasn't.

The booing was horrible - just shows how ignorant people can be.

Raggamuffin wrote:

scrat wrote:
I guess that was due to all the booing!

He should have been talking about that, but he wasn't.

The booing was horrible - just shows how ignorant people can be.

I agree, however with over 130 million viewers, the result proves that for the majority of Europeans, tolerance is cherished.

scrat wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

He should have been talking about that, but he wasn't.

The booing was horrible - just shows how ignorant people can be.

I agree, however with over 130 million viewers, the result proves that for the majority of Europeans, tolerance is cherished.

Maybe they just liked the song. After all, that's what it's supposed to be about.

veya_victaous wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:So, wi-fi and some farming......


And how are your rivers doing with all the water taken out for this farming?






And Scrat, isn't that what is happening with the mass importation of cheap labour?


But it is not the solution, in The long term it only exacerbates the problem!!!!

Rivers are getting better now that most of the Farmers using Old fashioned (European) ways are leaving the land.

I do advocate national investment in water moving infrastructure... the real issue is drought in one place flood in another    if we could move it where we needed it we could produce even more.

And we played this Game with Quill already Aussie beat you per capita for inventions in the last 50 years       

Is that because so many Brits emigrated to Australia?

BigAndy9 wrote:

Lone Wolf wrote:   "Phillipa"  ???    

SO, which recycled racist fool sporting a new name are you, then..

AS for your puerile attempts at insults today - all I can say is that jealousy is a curse with you clods !
.......HOWEVER, that also left his descendants with "a bit of the mongrel" among some of us !   ::-3::

Do you always abuse new posters Lone Wolf?

I think a couple of people jumped on somebody for that the other day - and accused said poster of being a RACIST!

   FIRST OFF, ANDY, "Phillipa" is initially openly abusing me above ~ twice in the same sentence, even...  All that I did was post a reply to "her" arrogant nonsense..

I DON'T see a "new" poster honestly doing that before they even get to know who I am - do you !!

That's why I believe that "Phillipa" is somebody (like Drinky, for example - as the poor grammar and sentence construction certainly matches !) who I've already had a run-in with before, under a new name.


I don't know what your second topic here is about, frankly, though..

AS for labelling people as "racist", "xenophobic" or in any way bigotted ~ whenever I have done that myself, there is always a clear example of their bigotted bulldust there for me to use against them..   

Nems wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Rivers are getting better now that most of the Farmers using Old fashioned (European) ways are leaving the land.

I do advocate national investment in water moving infrastructure... the real issue is drought in one place flood in another    if we could move it where we needed it we could produce even more.

And we played this Game with Quill already Aussie beat you per capita for inventions in the last 50 years       

Is that because so many Brits emigrated to Australia?

..many were put on boats and given something like a tenner , and told make a life over there...years ago like.


...cost the best oat of £900 for an Oz return ticket now on Quantas!

veya_victaous wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Veya, we have all the technologies too!
Your claim was about us being 40 years behind and no longer modern, not about bragging rights on inventions in (only) the last 50 years.....
So tell us what you got that we don't to make us 40 years behind!!!!

It is what you got that makes you behind.
Your Attitude   
You seem to have misinterpreted my point, Your attitude is 40 years behind, I even Qualified what I said already and Pointed out "that out You think everyone else is behind but now were are all slightly in front." Europe no longer has better infrastructure or health care and education. You have sat on your laurels for too long now everyone else is running past you. (all of Europe is like this)
Your mono cultural have virtual no understanding of the globalised world, too low immigration. not enough innovation. still use Traditional inefficient methods for public maintenance. Unable to face challenges unable to meet modern changes and pressures. Insular trade, all your industries only survive because of tariffs. expensive production. old fashioned 'traditional' agriculture. inefficient Traditional Industries, low technology pick up and integration.
But you even displayed the English Attitude   
It doesn't matter that Aussies(or others) invented it as long as you get to use it right ? Glad you think like that and can keep paying royalties to the CSIRO, so it can invent some more things for Aussie taxpayers.

So now it's just our attitude that is 40 years behind?


Your arguments are confused and unfounded, and that sounds more like a rant to me.

scrat wrote:Australia has a fantastic future, it is in an ideal position to exploit the Far East, the future is bright.

Of course Great Britain is in a different league altogether and despite some on the left and many on the right running this great nation down, we're still the reigning champions of the "state of the art", this is where it is at, more innovation is created here, more global culture establishes itself here and more inward investment comes here than any other country in Europe.

I will concede that    out of Europe I think only the Germans are really matching the British. Maybe that is part of your problem too your looking at Europe.. but that isn't going that well so... your fast in a field of slow horses.

scrat wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

Still can't win Eurovision though

Hi Smelly, it's the taking part that counts,,,,,

"The win was also a victory for all people who believe in the future of peace and love and tolerance," said Wurst after the live broadcast, where she cried in front of the cameras.


In fact, for viewers in Russia, Conchita Wurst was the third favourite in the text voting.

Others emphasised the message of tolerance Eurovision was sending to its viewers.

"I think it's important that she won because she represents a different part of society that not everyone accepts," said Fidan Aliyeva from Azerbaijan, who recently finished her studies in Austria.

"She proved that in Europe everyone is accepted," she added.

Tolerance??

You mean like booing the Russian contestants??

And that freak is not a "she", he is a HE with long hair and makeup, johnny depp did a similar thing in the pirates series

Tommy Monk wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Veya, we have all the technologies too!
Your claim was about us being 40 years behind and no longer modern, not about bragging rights on inventions in (only) the last 50 years.....
So tell us what you got that we don't to make us 40 years behind!!!!

It is what you got that makes you behind.
Your Attitude   
You seem to have misinterpreted my point, Your attitude is 40 years behind, I even Qualified what I said already and Pointed out "that out You think everyone else is behind but now were are all slightly in front." Europe no longer has better infrastructure or health care and education. You have sat on your laurels for too long now everyone else is running past you. (all of Europe is like this)
Your mono cultural have virtual no understanding of the globalised world, too low immigration. not enough innovation. still use Traditional inefficient methods for public maintenance. Unable to face challenges unable to meet modern changes and pressures. Insular trade, all your industries only survive because of tariffs. expensive production. old fashioned 'traditional' agriculture. inefficient Traditional Industries, low technology pick up and integration.
But you even displayed the English Attitude   
It doesn't matter that Aussies(or others) invented it as long as you get to use it right ? Glad you think like that and can keep paying royalties to the CSIRO, so it can invent some more things for Aussie taxpayers.

So now it's just our attitude that is 40 years behind?


Your arguments are confused and unfounded, and that sounds more like a rant to me.

Your attitude, that has let your infrastructure and social systems get 40 years behind (probably not quite 40 years maybe 20   ) your not the home of inventors any more, we don't see any new industries being set-up in Britain. More worried about Preserving traditions than adapting to new circumstances.

I think this is something that affects many nation that had empires, I know Turkey suffered from that attitude but seems to have turned it around and so did China and if anything they are an example of letting it self get massively behind and then getting attacked by other nations (European and Japan) that it should have been stronger than. IT took full scale revolution and chairman Mao to get it re-started/reinvigorated. I don't think UK is at the point of revolution yet but your definitely letting yourselves slip.

smelly_bandit wrote:

scrat wrote:Australia has a fantastic future, it is in an ideal position to exploit the Far East, the future is bright.

Of course Great Britain is in a different league altogether and despite some on the left and many on the right running this great nation down, we're still the reigning champions of the "state of the art", this is where it is at, more innovation is created here, more global culture establishes itself here and more inward investment comes here than any other country in Europe.

Still can't win Eurovision though

No but the PAID performers come from downunder

Maybe we should invade England so we can compete in Eurovision  :\\:[: :\\:[: :\\:[: :\\:[: 

veya_victaous wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

Still can't win Eurovision though

No but the PAID performers come from downunder

Maybe we should invade England so we can compete in Eurovision  :\\:[: :\\:[: :\\:[: :\\:[: 

Invade England??

Bloody marvellous, will you be bringing your love of BBQs and delightfully tough immigration a laws with you??

This country can do with a bit of backbone

smelly_bandit wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:



No but the PAID performers come from downunder

Maybe we should invade England so we can compete in Eurovision  :\\:[: :\\:[: :\\:[: :\\:[: 

Invade England??

Bloody marvellous, will you be bringing your love of BBQs  and delightfully tough immigration a laws with you??

This country can do with a bit of backbone

There's nowt like a braai Smelly B,,,,but you've got to ask yourself one question, would those laws have let you in?

veya_victaous wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:
So now it's just our attitude that is 40 years behind?
Your arguments are confused and unfounded, and that sounds more like a rant to me.

Your attitude, that has let your infrastructure and social systems get 40 years behind (probably not quite 40 years maybe 20   ) your not the home of inventors any more, we don't see any new industries being set-up in Britain. More worried about Preserving traditions than adapting to new circumstances.
I think this is something that affects many nation that had empires, I know Turkey suffered from that attitude but seems to have turned it around and so did China and if anything they are an example of letting it self get massively behind and then getting attacked by other nations (European and Japan) that it should have been stronger than. IT took full scale revolution and chairman Mao to get it re-started/reinvigorated. I don't think UK is at the point of revolution yet but your definitely letting yourselves slip.

You keep moving the goal posts!!!


You started off saying we are 40 years behind the modern world technologically, then changed to it's our attitude being behind, now it's not 40 years but only 20!!!???


Then it's about technology and inventions again, then it's about industry.



And then you go on to say it's more about preserving traditions and being unable to adapt to new circumstances.




Your arguments are confused.



Bordering on waffle and just an overall dig at English people, bereft of substance, and not in a helpful way with constructive criticism, but more down to some sort of general racism against the English.







Also I notice that all your inventions listed were by people with white British and other European sounding names....

@TM
No I said your behind 40 years
You made up this shit about Technology, I said MODERN WORLD where more than one race lives in a country and people going on about Ancient traditions being carried on today are told the commercialise it or STFU.

I read this OP title and Think "One can fucking hope so", look your whole argument with me proves my point You are so caught up in the idea that England is decent when it is not.. Fine what ever Slip further behind because you cant believe that nations of immigrants ARE kicking your arse.

Again YOUR nation has gone from 9th to 23rd Mine has gone from 17th to 10th. So Were obviously doing something right And You are NOT.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29_per_capita


I Don't give a Shit I'm an Aussie We move Forward ONLY
that's why our emblem is the red kangaroo (Macropus rufus) and the emu (Dromaius novaehollandiae).

It is thought the kangaroo and emu were chosen to symbolise a nation moving forward, reflecting a common belief that neither animal can move backwards easily.

And the England Emblem animals? Unicorn and A fucking English Lion because England stands for Fairytale made up bullshit that is not in line with reality.         

And I have said a million times, IF Any Brit (or other Euro) had a good idea.. it was to move to Australia!!!! you have no good ideas left!!!!              

Actually you do prove my point  :::grouch:: 
Tech, Infrastructure and Industry are inseparable in a MODERN Economy.

And yeah 'preserving traditions' Like the title of this thread. You're whole static Identity thing   

I only asked you to clarify your original claim, and you've flip flopped about all over the place ever since!!!!



So now it's only 20 years?


And is it about tech and infrastructure now?


Modern world?


Or economy?



And still need you to explain what you think you have that is So far advanced that we dont?





But then you change it again and start going on about 'preserving traditions'!!!!!




Is that a good thing or a bad thing?





Or is it only a good thing for others to do?

Tech and infrastructure now?


Modern world?


Or economy?

THE SAME THING!!
That is why you are backwards It is like trying to explain calculus to monkeys ::hdintowll::  Tech and Infrastructure MAKE the Modern Economy. They do not exist separately.

You are preserving traditions and NOT advancing towards a Modern MULTICULTURAL society    that can operate in the Modern Global economy.

Keep good traditions (unfortunately Brits have very few) but the ones that make you think only White Anglo Saxon Christian live in England are Obsolete. You can day dream about the Ancient times when it was like that all you like, but it wont make it any more real than the Aboriginal man dreaming of the time before whiteman came.

So now it is completely about tech and infrastructure?

Or economy?


Or both?


So again, what is it that you have and we don't to make us 40/20 years behind in modern terms?


But then again you go on about this 'preserving traditions' and how this IS only a bad thing when we do it, while then arguing for a multicultural society that by definition is an influx of other people with and seeking to preserve their own traditions!!!!



You couldn't make it up!!!!!




Anti white British/English racist!!!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:So now it is completely about tech and infrastructure?

Or economy?


Or both?


So again, what is it that you have and we don't to make us 40/20 years behind in modern terms?


But then again you go on about this 'preserving traditions'  and how this IS only a bad thing when we do it, while then arguing for a multicultural society that by definition is an influx of other people with and seeking to preserve their own traditions!!!!



You couldn't make it up!!!!!




Anti white British/English racist!!!!!

IMMIGRANTS SUCCESS MONEY INNOVATION CHANGE... A FUTURE

And No they all Happily become Australian!!!!!!
maybe you guys need to make Becoming British something people actually want to do!!!! Currently More Brits are CHOOSING to become Aussies.

No fucking wonder with the attitude of the Natives, you whinge while we win         

We have millions of immigrants, maybe that's why we're slipping, and you're influx of white British is helping to raise your standards....


And of course they will happily fit in with your ways and become Australian, because that is somewhere we can preserve our traditions? Or is it somewhere our traditions are preserved !!!???



Still not sure which is right....??



But I'm sure all those coming here do so cos they want to be British, and observe our culture and traditions....!




Or is that wrong?





For them to come and live amongst it and thereby preserve it?



Or for us to preserve it for them to live amongst it?



Or is it only here where other peoples traditions are important?

@TM
          
we have twice as many and take twice as many more every year

Australia 27.7% born overseas
UK 12.4% born overseas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_foreign-born_population
Australia  5.93 per 1000 every year.
UK 2.59 per 1000 every year
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate


Preserve English Traditions here  :\\:[:  like Yum Cha
nuh don't think so even cricket is losing popularity if it wasn't for all the Indians and Pakistani that live here, I don't think people would follow it at all any more   

No we accept everyone's traditions and if it is good, we steal it to become a new Aussie ones, we don't come from Anglo Convicts for nothing         

And No one here would question it is the Asians Driving our Economy. (I think you call them Orientals)

You still don't explain your claims of being 40/20 years behind?




Now we just need more oriental people....?????

Tommy Monk wrote:You still don't explain your claims of being 40/20 years behind?




Now we just need more oriental people....?????

Maybe it's the fact that you think immigrants are why you're slipping behind. You're a fossil but you're just too dumb to realize it

It says a lot more about how racist you are if it is ok to say how English/British are slipping but only if it is only the white indigenous who must be to blame, but the massive influx of largely unskilled and uneducated 3rd world foreigners has absolutely nothing to do with it!!!!!




You are a progressive leftie twat and anti white British racist.


But you are too much of a leftie hypocrite to realise it....!!!!



The truth must be wrong because the truth is not politically correct!

Thanks, TM, that really made my day!

Tommy Monk wrote:It says a lot more about how racist you are if it is ok to say how English/British are slipping but only if it is only the white indigenous who must be to blame, but the massive influx of largely unskilled and uneducated 3rd world foreigners has absolutely nothing to do with it!!!!!




You are a progressive leftie twat and anti white British racist.


But you are too much of a  leftie hypocrite to realise it....!!!!



The truth must be wrong because the truth is not politically correct!

Completely and utterly absurd, for centuries British/English has been growing, so much so its ancestors are all over the world who identify by new nations still proud of their heritage and now more people have been added to the British/English identity as they have for hundreds of years.
Its you that has the issue, because unity comes from people unified together as a nation.

Maybe Matti can explain why a nation like America, which started off poorly had mass immigration which makes the immigration here seem like small fry and initially was the same with prejudice views here to many different ethnic groups, now all identify by that nation and also their ethnicity?
America has to be the biggest success story and it is a nation made up of entirely multicultural. Yes they have people like you there, but again the nation has gotten past what we still have yet to do, get used to what we were happy to do ourselves in the past and emigrate

scrat wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

Invade England??

Bloody marvellous, will you be bringing your love of BBQs  and delightfully tough immigration a laws with you??

This country can do with a bit of backbone

There's nowt like a braai Smelly B,,,,but you've got to ask yourself one question, would those laws have let you in?

Yes

I'm a skilled immigrant who started paying taxes into the system from the first week I arrived

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:You still don't explain your claims of being 40/20 years behind?




Now we just need more oriental people....?????

Maybe it's the fact that you think immigrants are why you're slipping behind. You're a fossil but you're just too dumb to realize it

Fossils are pieces of history that have survived millennia. The rest is dross.