Covid testing.

by inmyopinion Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:34 pm

First topic message reminder :

If you have to be tested to be told you have had a terrible killer virus, It really can't have been all that bad.

by Tommy Monk Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:21 am

Syl wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

I said get an antibody test to see if you've had it... You can get reputable ones online for about £100...

You might have had it already and not even known...

I have not had the virus ....I think i would know if i had.
I talked about having the norovirus in January.....one of the worst viruses I have had......but it wasn't coronavirus.

How would you know...???

Given that the overwhelming vast majority of people who've had it, have either, no symptoms at all, very mild symptoms (ie just feel a little bit 'off' for a couple of days or so), mild to moderate symptoms (ie just feel like they've got a bit of a cold for a few days), moderate symptoms (ie feel like they've got a bit of flu or feel a bit wiped out and/or dodgy guts, like a bit of iffy food can make you feel), severe would be feeling like a full on real bad dose of flu that totally knocks the bollocks out of you for a good couple of weeks or so...

You could well have had it and not had any symptoms at all... And you could have had it at the same time as the stomach bug you had earlier in the year, and that could be why you felt so rough from what would normally otherwise be a relatively mild bit of dodgy guts for a couple of days...

Fact is... You don't really know for sure at all...!

But if you got yourself an antibody test then you would know for sure...!

And if it showed a positive result that you've already had it... I'm sure that knowledge would give you much more in the way of peace of mind, than you could buy anywhere for the £100 cost of the test...

by Syl Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:38 am

I had norovirus.
The main symptom I had was extreme virtigo for days, head spinning, banging into walls, falling over, had to stay in bed for over a week with the room constantly spinning.
That's not a symptom of coronavirus, and I did sees a Dr who confirmed it was norovirus.

by Tommy Monk Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:21 pm

But you could have had covid19 another time and had no symptoms.

by Original Quill Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:56 pm

Very interesting development. Finland has found that dogs can be trained to sniff covid-19, as easily as they can smell drugs. In fact, they have used dogs from the Helsinki airport to identify people who have the virus.

It's not that surprising. Dogs have been used to sniff out cancer and other diseases...why not covid? However, the US has no plans to use that technology, as the government does not want to know. Perhaps some states, or individual airlines, might employ it.

by inmyopinion Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:42 pm

Is it just me or does a killer pandemic that can show no symptoms what so ever seem a tad convenient. by convenient I mean for those claiming it exists but impotent as killer diseases go.

by Original Quill Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:53 pm

inmyopinion wrote:Is it just me or does a killer pandemic that can show no symptoms what so ever seem a tad convenient. by convenient I mean for those claiming it exists but impotent as killer diseases go.

What is convenient about 205,000 deaths in the US, and 42,000 deaths in the UK?

by Tommy Monk Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:04 pm

That's out of around 14 million here in UK thought to have had the virus, and if we calculate US figures using similar formula then that would be 200,000 deaths out of 70 million people who have had the virus...

Here in UK 10,000 people die every month from flu and pneumonia, year after year, and we don't shut the country down over it...

by Original Quill Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:16 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:That's out of around 14 million here in UK thought to have had the virus, and if we calculate US figures using similar formula then that would be 200,000 deaths out of 70 million people who have had the virus...

Here in UK 10,000 people die every month from flu and pneumonia, year after year, and we don't shut the country down over it...

You also have a vaccine for the flu each year, as well as confidence that the flu is not the certain killer that Covid is. Still, if the UK is like America, the nation takes tremendous precautions to minimize the damage from the flu. But, meh...influenza is just not the threat that Covid is.

Haha...drop a vile of smallpox, and then you'll see some scurrying around. Twisted Evil

by Tommy Monk Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:26 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:That's out of around 14 million here in UK thought to have had the virus, and if we calculate US figures using similar formula then that would be 200,000 deaths out of 70 million people who have had the virus...

Here in UK 10,000 people die every month from flu and pneumonia, year after year, and we don't shut the country down over it...

You also have a vaccine for the flu each year, as well as confidence that the flu is not the certain killer that Covid is. Still, if the UK is like America, the nation takes tremendous precautions to minimize the damage from the flu. But, meh...influenza is just not the threat that Covid is.

Haha...drop a vile of smallpox, and then you'll see some scurrying around.

There is not a vaccine for all influenze, just a vaccine for the strain that the manufacturers think will be one of the most likely strains going around at that time...

And even with this vaccine, there are still 10,000 a month here in UK dying from influenza and pneumonia.

And the word is 'vial' not 'vile'...

God, these pretend lawyers are dumb!

lol!

by Syl Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:26 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

That's out of around 14 million here in UK thought to have had the virus, and if we calculate US figures using similar formula then that would be 200,000 deaths out of 70 million people who have had the virus...

Here in UK 10,000 people die every month from flu and pneumonia, year after year, and we don't shut the country down over it...

Tommy, where do you get your figures from?

by Tommy Monk Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:34 pm

Those figures I got from a BBC link that was quoting ONS data I think...

by Syl Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:38 pm

Well I have checked a few different sites and the figure usually comes out around 30.000 pa on average.
That's just 25% of the figure you are saying.

Figures show that between 80 to 88 people die in the UK each day from flu or pneumonia.

"Overall, some 138 people in every 100,000 in the UK die from ‘respiratory diseases’ – including influenza, pneumonia, bronchitis and asthma – every three years. This works out at 88,000 people – or 29,000 a year. Britain has the worst record in Europe for deaths from respiratory diseases like flu and pneumonia

and

https://facts4eu.org/news/2020_apr_covid_and_flu

by Tommy Monk Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:08 pm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52361519

Figure for first quarter of this year was just over 30,000 for England and Wales...

The whole UK figure will be significantly higher.

So works out about 10,000 a month.

by Syl Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:19 pm

Those figures contradict all the others...even when a really bad flu hits as in 2015 the figures were nowhere near as high as that.

by Tommy Monk Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:34 pm

Where did these other sites get their figures from?

The source on the BBC link I posted is the ONS.

by Vintage Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:22 pm

So if this is no worse than flu, why are hospitals overwhelmed on the wards and in their mortuaries. Why have health boards had to create mortuaries in cold storage units, I've seen these myself when collecting bodies - rack after rack after rack of body bags - or are they mainly dummies in those bags to help with the illusion.

by Tommy Monk Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:28 pm

Because it's 40,000 extra deaths over what they are normally used to dealing with.

by Vintage Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:33 pm

What caused those deaths ?

by Ben Reilly Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:46 pm

Tests are surely not a waste of time, as plenty of people are unwittingly carrying the virus into places with low levels of infection, or into vulnerable groups.

Viruses never affect everyone the same way, that's why during flu season, most people don't get the flu but some people get seriously ill.

by eddie Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:49 pm

Tommy, are you trying to say that Covid19 is being over exaggerated? If so, why?

by Tommy Monk Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:03 am

Vintage wrote:What caused those deaths ?

I think I'm right in saying that if they died having tested positive for covid19 then they are listed as covid19 deaths...

Regardless of any other serious health conditions they may have had.

by eddie Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:20 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Vintage wrote:What caused those deaths ?

I think I'm right in saying that if they died having tested positive for covid19 then they are listed as covid19 deaths...

Regardless of any other serious health conditions they may have had.

I think you may well be right, but why do you think it’s in the government’s interest to make us believe that?

by Tommy Monk Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:30 am

eddie wrote:Tommy, are you trying to say that Covid19 is being over exaggerated? If so, why?

I'm saying that when it first started, not a lot was known about it and there was a lot of fear about this new unknown...

The gov and their science and medical advisors are still basing all their thinking on the false belief that it didn't arrive here until beginning of February and then went mental very rapidly, which is not true, it's been going around in UK since at least November and only became a real problem with large numbers of hospital admissions and subsequent deaths when it had spread widely throughout the country and the general population...

I worked in a specialist hospital for 3 months earlier on this year, during the peak times of hospital admissions and deaths, and I got to chat with plenty of the medical professionals there... And they all agreed with the belief that the virus was doing the rounds at least a few weeks before Christmas... One ward sister even told me that they had checked the hospital staff sickness records for the period from November 19 to early 2020 and compared it with previous years, and the rates of sickness Nov19/early2020 were sky high and largely down to symptoms associated with covid19.

When testing started happening back then, only a relatively small number of tests were available every day, a few thousand near the start of say March/April, and most of those tested then were coming back positive, because at that time it was so widespread... Now were doing almost 250,000 tests a day and only about 2-3% are coming back positive... But we are hearing on news now that this number of positive tests is higher than the number of positive tests at the height of hospital admissions and deaths back then...

by eddie Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:43 am

Fair enough. I’m on the fence about it all but I still do what I’m told and try to stay safe.
People have labelled me a conspiracy nut on this forum but I play safe until proven wrong.

by Original Quill Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:37 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Regardless of any other serious health conditions they may have had.

So you agree with those who say terrorism didn't kill people on 9/11. They were killed by heart conditions, lung disease and blunt force trauma...regardless of terrorism.

by Tommy Monk Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:58 am

Original Quill wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Regardless of any other serious health conditions they may have had.

So you agree with those who say terrorism didn't kill people on 9/11. They were killed by heart conditions, lung disease and blunt force trauma...regardless of terrorism.

Maybe it was the straw man what done it...

by Syl Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:26 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

Where did these other sites get their figures from?

The source on the BBC link I posted is the ONS.

Flu is a serious condition that kills, on average, 11,000 people in England each year and hospitalises many more. Adults at high risk from flu are also most at risk from COVID-19. The free vaccine is more important than ever to help protect the nation from a double threat this winter.

Those are public health England figures.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/record-numbers-offered-flu-vaccine-as-those-with-flu-and-covid-19-more-likely-to-die

by Vintage Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:43 pm

Can't say in 30 years that I've ever seen extra mortuary facilities needed as they have been this year - not even in flu season.
I suppose though some people think its just a mild to knock you off for a few days virus - until it hospitalises or kills someone you care about.

by Syl Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:59 pm

To be honest, it's hard to fully understand just how dangerous this virus is.
The figures can be manipulated, if really ill people also catch the virus and die, the cause may be listed as coronavirus but they may have died anyway of the underlying illness.

Others say the true figures have been downplayed, and the real figure is far higher than the official figure.

The news is full of horror stories, I have stopped watching most of it, but my own conclusion now is people are falling into two camps.

Ones who believe the government warnings that the virus is spreading at an alarming rate and if people dont follow measures set out we will have a second/third deadly spike which will see deaths rising alarmingly come winter.

Others who refuse to believe the dangers, think it's OK to carry on as normal, dont care if they spread it because they don't actually believe it's much to be scared about anyway.

by Vintage Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:18 pm

At least we haven't had to resort to mass graves in this country.
Seeing reports on trenches and hundreds of graves being prepared in some countries, even one advanced country was eye opening for me as well.
Why would anyone want to exaggerate the numbers affected and the contagiousness of this virus when the consequences affects the economy so much?

by Tommy Monk Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:34 pm

Syl wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

Where did these other sites get their figures from?

The source on the BBC link I posted is the ONS.

Flu is a serious condition that kills, on average, 11,000 people in England each year and hospitalises many more. Adults at high risk from flu are also most at risk from COVID-19. The free vaccine is more important than ever to help protect the nation from a double threat this winter.

Those are public health England figures.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/record-numbers-offered-flu-vaccine-as-those-with-flu-and-covid-19-more-likely-to-die

The BBC link might have misread the figures and put the yearly figures as quarterly figures by mistake.

But having said that, it is reported that there was a particularly nasty flu virus going around last winter, Aussie flu...

"Last year, Australia experienced its worst flu season on record, with more than 310,000 people presenting to hospital and health services nationwide. The figure is seven times greater than Australia's previous 18-year average."

by Original Quill Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:04 pm

Vintage wrote:At least we haven't had to resort to mass graves in this country.
Seeing reports on trenches and hundreds of graves being prepared in some countries, even one advanced country was eye opening for me as well.
Why would anyone want to exaggerate the numbers affected and the contagiousness of this virus when the consequences affects the economy so much?

They want to sacrifice lives for spinning the economy. The problem is, dead people don't spend either; the economy is going to tank anyway. So it's temporary, and merely prolonging the inevitable if people protections are not followed.

If the left had come up with this freedom-for-all idea they would already have laws against it...goddam those careless, anything goes, hippies! But wrap it up with a flag, and threaten to take away bars, and they have a fit. Rolling Eyes

by Tommy Monk Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:35 pm

Syl wrote:I had norovirus.
The main symptom I had was extreme virtigo for days, head spinning, banging into walls, falling over, had to stay in bed for over a week with the room constantly spinning.
That's not a symptom of coronavirus, and I did sees a Dr who confirmed it was norovirus.

Dizziness can be a symptom of covid19, as can vomiting and diarrhoea.

by eddie Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:04 pm

Vintage wrote:Can't say in 30 years that I've ever seen extra mortuary facilities needed as they have been this year - not even in flu season.
I suppose though some people think its just a mild to knock you off for a few days virus - until it hospitalises or kills someone you care about.

You work in a funeral home, right? Then I take your statement as a fact, that Covid19 is killing people at a fast rate.

What say you, Tommy?

by Tommy Monk Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:02 am

There WAS a comparatively higher number of hospital admissions and subsequent deaths going on from November of 2019 and for the first few months of 2020... Compared to previous years during the same months.

There are many reasons for this.

by Vintage Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:21 pm

There are three types of entry now as causes of death:
1. Covid - definately diagnosed
2. death from various health problems but in a covid emvironment where covid is a contributory factor
3. death from various health problems but outside a covid environment.
So I doubt we will ever know the true number of deaths from this.
In the second degree most of these people would not have been expected to die from their health problems at that time.
In order to cope with the numbers certain regulations either brought in or strengthened after Shipman have be relaxed or suspended so I doubt that would have been done if the situation and the numbers of people affected weren't serious and potentially worse if daily life had just been allowed to carry on as normal. Problem is we are a crowded little island so infection can run riot. I wonder how the deniers would feel if it was smallpox or ebola, mind you even ebola has a huge difference in mortality rates - normally 80 - 95% for some reason occasionally 25% and its the other way around to covid the older you are you have a better chance to survive if at all.

by inmyopinion Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:39 pm

Vintage wrote:At least we haven't had to resort to mass graves in this country.
Seeing reports on trenches and hundreds of graves being prepared in some countries, even one advanced country was eye opening for me as well.
Why would anyone want to exaggerate the numbers affected and the contagiousness of this virus when the consequences affects the economy so much?

plenty of people would tank the economy to take greater control, especially those above the economy, it's been a trick for a long time.
create fear, boil up the fear, talk up the fear even higher through media and "experts", miraculously offer them your way out, hey presto, you are the good guy who just happens to get what you want.
A trick as old as time itself.

by Tommy Monk Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:15 pm

There's a hell of a lot of big money being handed out by govt at the moment... Some people are doing very well out of all this... And would like this money to keep flowing..

by Original Quill Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:35 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:There WAS a comparatively higher number of hospital admissions and subsequent deaths going on from November of 2019 and for the first few months of 2020... Compared to previous years during the same months.

There are many reasons for this.

But the major reason was Covid-19. November was the approximate time when people began to realize that it wasn't early on-set of the flu, and as they moved into advanced stages (ventilators, etc.) they sought hospitalization.

by Original Quill Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:46 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:There's a hell of a lot of big money being handed out by govt at the moment... Some people are doing very well out of all this... And would like this money to keep flowing..

Mostly capitalists. Johnson & Johnson, Pfizer, Amgen and Adaptive Biotechnologies...well, you read the list: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/these-nine-companies-are-working-on-coronavirus-treatments-or-vaccines-heres-where-things-stand-2020-03-06

Very few of the US funds are going to states or small businesses, and none, now, go to individuals...despite the RW emphasis on individualism. Ironically, given Trump's antipathy, a lot of the money is going to China. They make the masks and PPE, as well as much of the medical equipment.

by inmyopinion Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:08 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:There WAS a comparatively higher number of hospital admissions and subsequent deaths going on from November of 2019 and for the first few months of 2020... Compared to previous years during the same months.

There are many reasons for this.

But the major reason was Covid-19. November was the approximate time when people began to realize that it wasn't early on-set of the flu, and as they moved into advanced stages (ventilators, etc.) they sought hospitalization.

or it's because covid is the flu

by inmyopinion Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:10 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:There's a hell of a lot of big money being handed out by govt at the moment... Some people are doing very well out of all this... And would like this money to keep flowing..

Mostly capitalists. Johnson & Johnson, Pfizer, Amgen and Adaptive Biotechnologies...well, you read the list: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/these-nine-companies-are-working-on-coronavirus-treatments-or-vaccines-heres-where-things-stand-2020-03-06

Very few of the US funds are going to states or small businesses, and none, now, go to individuals...despite the RW emphasis on individualism. Ironically, given Trump's antipathy, a lot of the money is going to China. They make the masks and PPE, as well as much of the medical equipment.

it's more about control than money, though a vaccine company stands to make a bucket load

by Original Quill Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:33 pm

inmyopinion wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Mostly capitalists. Johnson & Johnson, Pfizer, Amgen and Adaptive Biotechnologies...well, you read the list: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/these-nine-companies-are-working-on-coronavirus-treatments-or-vaccines-heres-where-things-stand-2020-03-06

Very few of the US funds are going to states or small businesses, and none, now, go to individuals...despite the RW emphasis on individualism. Ironically, given Trump's antipathy, a lot of the money is going to China. They make the masks and PPE, as well as much of the medical equipment.

it's more about control than money, though a vaccine company stands to make a bucket load

As far as control is concerned, the Republican Senate refuses to spend on Covid, despite the House handing them a complete bill back in May, 2020. The last war nearly gave them the second Great Depression. I guess they are cowards when it comes to taking on the next enemy, which is Covid-19.

by Vintage Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:20 pm

More control than money, so what is Covax (although some countries are working with the vaccine companies on the side) is it a conspiracy of 172 countries of all levels of economy to vaccinate us with a chip? NWO? Maybe its something stronger to reduce the population or at least the birth rate?
As for the current rules and regulations, there were various laws, rules and regulations during the second world war in the UK, I can't think of any still enforced. How can the country function if the current rules on Covid continue to be enforced after the epidemic is over if it 's some kind of control conspiracy?

by inmyopinion Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:56 pm

Vintage wrote:More control than money, so what is Covax (although some countries are working with the vaccine companies on the side) is it a conspiracy of 172 countries of all levels of economy to vaccinate us with a chip? NWO? Maybe its something stronger to reduce the population or at least the birth rate?
As for the current rules and regulations, there were various laws, rules and regulations during the second world war in the UK, I can't think of any still enforced. How can the country function if the current rules on Covid continue to be enforced after the epidemic is over if it 's some kind of control conspiracy?

the current covid laws/rules could stay in place for years and set a precedent for further fear tactics and control, it has been a tried and tested method of control, create a problem, create an enemy, create fear, offer a way out and the sheeple thank you for taking control, in the same we see advocates of mask wearing, 10 pm curfews and forced vaccination it's a piece of cake to take given liberties when the idiots are scared and properly activated.

by Vintage Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:19 pm

They could but once this is over either burnt out or vaccines do you think people will actually allow it. People are reacting now and protesting would we really then allow it to continue without a fuss.
People will allow this while its required but surely not any longer.

by inmyopinion Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:54 pm

Vintage wrote:They could but once this is over either burnt out or vaccines do you think people will actually allow it. People are reacting now and protesting would we really then allow it to continue without a fuss.
People will allow this while its required but surely not any longer.

yes they probably will, the media and experts have done a great job, the people who do not want to think for themselves leave it to others without question will believe anything.

by Vintage Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:28 pm

Seriously, I am a fan of law and order and rules and regulations but even I wouldn't just keep on following lock down rules if the evidence for them isn't there.

by inmyopinion Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:40 pm

Vintage wrote:Seriously, I am a fan of law and order and rules and regulations but even I wouldn't just keep on following lock down rules if the evidence for them isn't there.

good for you, I think public opinion is waning.

by Tommy Monk Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:56 am

I heard a statistic on the radio last night...

Of all the covid19 deaths so far here in UK, only 0.6% are under 40... 1.4% are 40-50... And only about 3% are 50-60...

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