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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed May 27, 2020 1:19 am

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Four Minnesota police officers have been fired after the death of a black man who was taken into custody and seen on video being pinned down by his neck.
Minneapolis Police Chief Medaria Arradondo said the four officers were now "former employees".
Footage shows the man, George Floyd, groaning and repeatedly saying "I can't breathe" to the white officer.
The incident echoed that of Eric Garner, a black man who died being arrested in New York City in 2014.
The FBI has said it will investigate the Minneapolis incident, which took place on Monday evening.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52806572

So ... Minneapolis is a pretty big city up in the north of the U.S. ... can we blame this man's death on Southerners in any way?

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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:26 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

"Black lives matter" only seem to sometimes care about how much black lives matter...


The danger to black lives from infection from corona virus, within that crowd, doesn't seem to matter to them...


And the lives of all those who may get infected by that crowd, also doesn't seem to matter to them...


And the fact that blacks murdering blacks in the US accounts for around half the murders every year over there, although blacks only account for around 13% of the population, doesn't seem to matter to them either...





Black Lives Matter doesn't mean that all lives don't matter.

Black Lives Matter is a response to police officers who don't seem to agree.

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Post by eddie on Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:28 pm

Posted on social media by.....a BLACK man.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:07 am

Well, I think black people do care when their loved ones are killed, regardless of who killed them.

I don't think that black people kill other black people because they don't care about the lives of black people, I think they kill other black people for pretty much the same reasons that people of all colors kill other people.

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Post by gelico on Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:14 am

Ben Reilly wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

"Black lives matter" only seem to sometimes care about how much black lives matter...


The danger to black lives from infection from corona virus, within that crowd, doesn't seem to matter to them...


And the lives of all those who may get infected by that crowd, also doesn't seem to matter to them...


And the fact that blacks murdering blacks in the US accounts for around half the murders every year over there, although blacks only account for around 13% of the population, doesn't seem to matter to them either...





Black Lives Matter doesn't mean that all lives don't matter.

Black Lives Matter is a response to police officers who don't seem to agree.


https://twitter.com/hodgetwins/status/1268309646034432001



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Post by eddie on Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:16 am

gelico wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

"Black lives matter" only seem to sometimes care about how much black lives matter...


The danger to black lives from infection from corona virus, within that crowd, doesn't seem to matter to them...


And the lives of all those who may get infected by that crowd, also doesn't seem to matter to them...


And the fact that blacks murdering blacks in the US accounts for around half the murders every year over there, although blacks only account for around 13% of the population, doesn't seem to matter to them either...





Black Lives Matter doesn't mean that all lives don't matter.

Black Lives Matter is a response to police officers who don't seem to agree.


https://twitter.com/hodgetwins/status/1268309646034432001



Interesting. Can you post them up?

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Post by gelico on Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:24 am

eddie wrote:
gelico wrote:


https://twitter.com/hodgetwins/status/1268309646034432001



Interesting. Can you post them up?




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLuJa9X21PE





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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:31 am

Ben Reilly wrote:Well, I think black people do care when their loved ones are killed, regardless of who killed them.

I don't think that black people kill other black people because they don't care about the lives of black people, I think they kill other black people for pretty much the same reasons that people of all colors kill other people.



Half the murders in the US are done by blacks murdering other blacks ..


Although blacks only account for 13% of US population...


So... They sure do like murdering each other...


But "black lives matter" don't seem to care about that.



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Post by eddie on Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:38 am

Can anyone post Gelico’s twitter pictures up?

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Post by gelico on Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:41 am

eddie wrote:Can anyone post Gelico’s twitter pictures up?  


it's not a picture it's a youtube video

you only have to tap the link

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Post by eddie on Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:44 am

gelico wrote:
eddie wrote:Can anyone post Gelico’s twitter pictures up?  


it's not a picture it's a youtube video

you only have to tap the link

The first link had pics. I just wanted them posted up. I can’t post twitter pics.

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Post by gelico on Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:46 am

eddie wrote:
gelico wrote:


it's not a picture it's a youtube video

you only have to tap the link

The first link had pics. I just wanted them posted up. I can’t post twitter pics.

they're both the same thing though. saw the video on twitter so posted it then found it on youtube and posted that too but it's the same video no matter which link you use


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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:50 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:Well, I think black people do care when their loved ones are killed, regardless of who killed them.

I don't think that black people kill other black people because they don't care about the lives of black people, I think they kill other black people for pretty much the same reasons that people of all colors kill other people.



Half the murders in the US are done by blacks murdering other blacks ..


Although blacks only account for 13% of US population...


So... They sure do like murdering each other...


But "black lives matter" don't seem to care about that.



Yeah, no -- black people don't kill other black people because they "like murdering each other."

They do it for the same reasons other ethnicities kill one another -- jealousy, rage, revenge, etc.

Trust me, I covered violent crimes for a long time. Every murder has a story behind it -- he slept with my girlfriend, he stole from me, etc.

They don't just kill one another because they enjoy it, FFS.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Jun 05, 2020 1:10 am




Well... They do a lot of cheating and dumping on people then... And quick to murder each other in revenge too, by the looks of it...



Seems black lives don't matter to blacks when they like robbing and cheating each other too...


Thanks for confirming that blacks don't care about blacks Ben...


Robbing, cheating, killing each other...



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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Jun 05, 2020 1:12 am

Tommy Monk wrote:


Well... They do a lot of cheating and dumping on people then... And quick to murder each other in revenge too, by the looks of it...



Seems black lives don't matter to blacks when they like robbing and cheating each other too...


Thanks for confirming that blacks don't care about blacks Ben...


Robbing, cheating, killing each other...



And that makes them different from other people in what way, exactly?

People are horrible to one another. You think white people aren't capable of the same thing, that they don't DO the same things?

You must live in a nice neighborhood, is all I'm saying Wink

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Jun 05, 2020 1:29 am





Look at the numbers...


Half of US murders are black on black... Although blacks only make up 13% of US population...



Whites are disproportionately victims of black violence too...


Murder, rape, violent assault, robbery... But white lives don't matter enough for any protests...



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Post by JulesV on Fri Jun 05, 2020 1:45 am

gelico wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:


And the fact that blacks murdering blacks in the US accounts for around half the murders every year over there, alth


Black Lives Matter doesn't mean that all lives don't matter.

Black Lives Matter is a response to police officers who don't seem to agree.


https://twitter.com/hodgetwins/status/1268309646034432001

Gelico this is plain silly of you.

You are speaking to people who are educated (well most members are).

Are we supposed to be impressed by two random clowns spouting crap?  Shocked scratch

Anyone can show a clip of people talking unmitigated nonsense, it's easy.
I can show a vid of two bozos explaining that the earth is flat. What then??

That pair of fawning dicks are simply trying to curry favour with a target audience and saying what the audience WANT to hear - and it's disappointing to see you reeled in so easily.


BLM does not mean that only Black lives matter.  It means one of these 3 options
1. "Black lives matter also"
2. "Black lives matter too"
3. "Don't forget that black lives matter as well"


No one is impressed by two random fakes spouting crap.

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Post by Maddog on Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:47 am

Ben Reilly wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:


Well... They do a lot of cheating and dumping on people then... And quick to murder each other in revenge too, by the looks of it...



Seems black lives don't matter to blacks when they like robbing and cheating each other too...


Thanks for confirming that blacks don't care about blacks Ben...


Robbing, cheating, killing each other...



And that makes them different from other people in what way, exactly?

People are horrible to one another. You think white people aren't capable of the same thing, that they don't DO the same things?

You must live in a nice neighborhood, is all I'm saying Wink

All races are capable of horrific shit. Also, cops will kill black folks for the same reason as they will kill a white person.

They are power tripping authoritarians.

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Post by nicko on Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:54 am

I'm sorry to say that every time there's looting Blacks seem to be at the front of it !
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Post by gelico on Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:02 pm

JulesV wrote:
gelico wrote:


https://twitter.com/hodgetwins/status/1268309646034432001

Gelico this is plain silly of you.

You are speaking to people who are educated (well most members are).

Are we supposed to be impressed by two random clowns spouting crap?  Shocked scratch

Anyone can show a clip of people talking unmitigated nonsense, it's easy.
I can show a vid of two bozos explaining that the earth is flat. What then??

That pair of fawning dicks are simply trying to curry favour with a target audience and saying what the audience WANT to hear - and it's disappointing to see you reeled in so easily.



reeled in? oh please

lol, i think you might find that those who you describe as clowns, fawning dicks, spouting crap and talking nonsense, others might see as just having a different opinion (a valid different opinion btw)

you react to it any way you choose

here's another clown to throw into the mix


https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1268540620731297803

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Post by gelico on Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:04 pm




here's another clown spouting crap just for you jules



https://twitter.com/stclairashley/status/1268215798234902528



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Post by gelico on Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:10 pm




there blows another one


https://twitter.com/IndySpanglish/status/1267794420432343040



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Post by gelico on Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:18 pm




Black lives matter

but only if you're a democrat



https://twitter.com/krystalscake/status/1267266689961390081




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Post by eddie on Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:22 pm

gelico wrote:


Black lives matter

but only if you're a democrat



https://twitter.com/krystalscake/status/1267266689961390081





Holy shit. That’s disturbing.

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Post by gelico on Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:28 pm

eddie wrote:
gelico wrote:


Black lives matter

but only if you're a democrat



https://twitter.com/krystalscake/status/1267266689961390081





Holy shit. That’s disturbing.


this is happening all over eddie

people being attacked because ''they don't agree''

i could post so many of these all day long but it's my birthday so fuck it

i'm going down to the sea front to chat with the gulls

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Post by JulesV on Fri Jun 05, 2020 2:14 pm

gelico wrote:
JulesV wrote:

Gelico this is plain silly of you.

You are speaking to people who are educated (well most members are).

Are we supposed to be impressed by two random clowns spouting crap?  Shocked scratch

Anyone can show a clip of people talking unmitigated nonsense, it's easy.
I can show a vid of two bozos explaining that the earth is flat. What then??

That pair of fawning dicks are simply trying to curry favour with a target audience and saying what the audience WANT to hear - and it's disappointing to see you reeled in so easily.



reeled in? oh please

lol, i think you might find that those who you describe as clowns, fawning dicks, spouting crap and talking nonsense, others might see as just having a different opinion (a valid different opinion btw)

you react to it any way you choose

here's another clown to throw into the mix


https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1268540620731297803

Let's get one thing straight,
It is the specific issue of the true meaning of the slogan/motto  ''BLM''  that I was referring to. Nothing else.

This issue has come up again and again and it's been rumbling for years.
Lot's of people who don't get the meaning, say that the slogan BLM is wrong cos ALL lives matter.
I think activists should simply modify it in the way I have explained.

I called those two eejits clowns cos after all this time they still haven't grasped the true meaning of the motto. And they were laughing lot at their own limp jokes. They looked drunk too. Yes, utter clowns!


Read Ben's post which explains the true meaning of the motto BLM - he absolutely nailed it, gelico. Well done, Texan guy!! Four Minnesota police officers fired after black man dies in custody - Page 5 1366281442

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Post by JulesV on Fri Jun 05, 2020 2:29 pm

gelico wrote:

here's another clown spouting crap just for you jules

https://twitter.com/stclairashley/status/1268215798234902528

You said you could post stuff like this all day.
I would probably agree with you on all of them, gelico !!!
The ONLY one I specifically disagree with is the original one you posted, with the two hideous clowns who still don't get what BLM means, after all these years.
We should send Ben  over, to explain it to them.  Four Minnesota police officers fired after black man dies in custody - Page 5 3489511464

Enjoy your birthday gelico ! Smile

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:00 pm

Police attack 75-year old man.


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Post by Guest on Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:11 pm

The original report was that he slipped and fell.

Upon discovering the entire episode had been witnessed and videoed,  that report was redacted and officers have been suspended without pay.
Good thing it was filmed.

https://mol.im/a/8390857

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Post by Maddog on Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:52 pm

Brutus wrote:The original report was that he slipped and fell.

Upon discovering the entire episode had been witnessed and videoed,  that report was redacted and officers have been suspended without pay.
Good thing it was filmed.

https://mol.im/a/8390857

What did I say about race not mattering to power tripping authoritarians?

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Post by Syl on Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:56 pm

Original Quill wrote:Police attack 75-year old man.

Pigs.

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Jun 05, 2020 5:06 pm

Brutus wrote:The original report was that he slipped and fell.

Upon discovering the entire episode had been witnessed and videoed,  that report was redacted and officers have been suspended without pay.
Good thing it was filmed.

https://mol.im/a/8390857

I think the greater sin, to the public, is how they lie.  Once you lose your word, no one believes in your principle.

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Post by 'Wolfie on Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:14 pm

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Fucking lying cops...

Shoot rubber bullets into bystanders, and release tear gas on to crowds and journalists (i.e. not actually targeting the wrongdoers..), and even Trump's press secretary is still denying it happened -- despite news footage..

Police seen bowling over that 79 year old man, and then stepping over his bleeding body, while heard saying "leave him, don't help him"..

Police sneering and jeering before attacking and bashing teams of journalists..

Why is it that so many police in some parts of the USA are so obviously "fucked in the head", while others in other places are able to behave properly ?

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Post by Guest on Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:19 pm

What phased me off most is that 10 or 12 cops just walked by him, whilst he was unconscious and bleeding from a serious head wound.
It was the 2 military guys in Don's that stepped in , helped him and called the paramedics.
The cops would have been quite content for another protester to die on their watch.
Perhaps if every cop who walked on by was suspended , without pay then fired without pension for dereliction of duty, things just might start changing.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:04 pm

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Look at the numbers...


Half of US murders are black on black... Although blacks only make up 13% of US population...



Whites are disproportionately victims of black violence too...


Murder, rape, violent assault, robbery... But white lives don't matter enough for any protests...



Poverty and the shit that goes along with it -- substance abuse, child neglect, broken homes, etc. -- affects every race the same way.

The criminal element in America has at various times been largely Irish, Italian, Jewish, German. Mainly when they first came to America and were the shunned immigrant class.

Now there's higher criminal activity amongst Latinos and, in some of the bigger cities, Eastern Europeans. Same thing -- the immigrants go to the ghettos because they come with nothing but the clothes on their backs.

Ghettos and poor areas in general always have higher crime rates, regardless of the color of the people who live there. The murder rate in Glasgow has been three times the rate of the overall UK, and Glasgow is 90 percent white. South Boston is a criminal hotbed and almost entirely white. There are also wealthy black cities in America where crime is almost unheard of.

The real problem with black crime in America is that America has a system that makes it easier to get ahead for white people than for black people. You can look that up for yourself, but it's simply true that it's easier for a white American to qualify for, say, a home loan than it is for a black American to do so.

That's what's meant by institutional racism. When you have institutional racism, you have a race of people that has been kept from thriving, kept living in a disproportionate amount of poverty, and which has no lifesaver to reach for.

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Post by eddie on Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:07 pm

Only one cop was “white”. Just saying.

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And I hope they all rot.

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Post by Maddog on Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:15 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:



Look at the numbers...


Half of US murders are black on black... Although blacks only make up 13% of US population...



Whites are disproportionately victims of black violence too...


Murder, rape, violent assault, robbery... But white lives don't matter enough for any protests...



Poverty and the shit that goes along with it -- substance abuse, child neglect, broken homes, etc. -- affects every race the same way.

The criminal element in America has at various times been largely Irish, Italian, Jewish, German. Mainly when they first came to America and were the shunned immigrant class.

Now there's higher criminal activity amongst Latinos and, in some of the bigger cities, Eastern Europeans. Same thing -- the immigrants go to the ghettos because they come with nothing but the clothes on their backs.

Ghettos and poor areas in general always have higher crime rates, regardless of the color of the people who live there. The murder rate in Glasgow has been three times the rate of the overall UK, and Glasgow is 90 percent white. South Boston is a criminal hotbed and almost entirely white. There are also wealthy black cities in America where crime is almost unheard of.

The real problem with black crime in America is that America has a system that makes it easier to get ahead for white people than for black people. You can look that up for yourself, but it's simply true that it's easier for a white American to qualify for, say, a home loan than it is for a black American to do so.

That's what's meant by institutional racism. When you have institutional racism, you have a race of people that has been kept from thriving, kept living in a disproportionate amount of poverty, and which has no lifesaver to reach for.

That's not true. In fact it's often the other way around. In an attempt to make things more equal, loans will be granted to some people even when it's highly unlikely to pay them back.

There is some systemic racism. White paternalism is part of that.

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Post by Maddog on Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:18 pm

Brutus wrote:What phased me off most is that 10 or  12 cops just walked by him, whilst he was unconscious and bleeding from a serious head wound.
It was the 2 military guys in Don's that stepped in , helped him and called the paramedics.
The cops would have been quite content for another protester  to die on their watch.
Perhaps if every cop who walked on by was suspended , without pay then fired without pension for dereliction of duty, things just might start changing.

57 or so just resigned over the two being suspended.

The next phase is kicking off in some cities. The cops are going to walk out.

Now it will get exciting.

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Post by eddie on Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:56 pm

This happened in 2016...not ten months ago. It was ten months ago the video was released.

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Post by Syl on Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:49 pm

Was it caught on video though?

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Post by eddie on Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:53 pm

Syl wrote:Was it caught on video though?

Yes I’ll find it. It’s all over Facebook.

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Post by Syl on Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:01 am

I just saw the vid somewhere else. It's just as shocking as the George Floyd vid....maybe moreso because the police were actually laughing after it appears they had killed the man.

Maybe some lives matter more than others.

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Post by Maddog on Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:12 am

Syl wrote:Was it caught on video though?

Sure, as was Kelly Thomas and Daniel Shaver.

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Post by Maddog on Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:19 am



I put this on my Facebook page two years ago today, and then again today.

Crickets.

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Post by Maddog on Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:21 am

Ben Reilly wrote:

The private security guard managed to get him in cuffs before the cops got there. He already did most of their job for them.

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:36 am

eddie wrote:This happened in 2016...not ten months ago. It was ten months ago the video was released.

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It's the southern mentality. Just because they are racists, does not mean that don't have other folks that they hate. How do you think they feel about Jews?

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Southerners are the classic bully. If they can't find a black to kill, they'll take any weak-looking, nerdy person, as long as they are sure they don't get the shit kicked out of themselves.

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Post by JulesV on Sat Jun 06, 2020 1:05 am

Original Quill wrote:Police attack 75-year old man.


Ouch!!!! Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad
I don't get how his limbs never splayed out as he fell. You'd expect such a reflex movement, to break his fall or protect his head. But his arms just stayed by his side! So his skull took the full force of the impact on the solid concrete. What a Face What a Face Quite tall too - about 6 foot 8 ? Hence that skull travelled quite a distance. Out cold!! And worryingly his unconscious frame looked exactly like a body laid out in a morgue - completely motionless, with his arms straight by his side, blood oozing out his head. Aaaargh traumatic to watch. No
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Post by Original Quill on Sat Jun 06, 2020 1:09 am

He was pushed backwards. I think our reflexes are geared to break a fall forward. I think he got his elbows out, but that's about all he could do.

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Post by JulesV on Sat Jun 06, 2020 1:18 am

Ah that must be the reason then.
I will track his progress day by day.
Bless his old heart.

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