More Brexit woe.

Andy wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:spamming in a single thread, I.e spamming your own thread is perfectly allowable.....
what is not allowed would be spamming the same garbage over multiple thread, and would be dealt with under site disruption.....
the thinking is that posters have the ability to ignore a single thread they dont like.....

I know the rules.
I read them, fully understood them and have complied with them.
So why threaten a ban for posting strictly within the rules?
Shortly you have better things to do?
Like stockpile food, car spares and medicines for post Brexit shortages.

Andy wrote:The Conservatives want a return to Victorian Britain.
It seems they are getting what they want.
Diseases such as gout, scarlet fever and whooping cough returning.
One way of getting rid of poverty.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/feb/02/dickensian-diseases-gout-whooping-cough-and-scarlet-fever-on-rise?CMP=share_btn_fb

Vintage wrote:Wasn't gout traditionally a disease of the affluent? Too much rich food and drink.

Andy wrote:Admitted to hospital.
In A&E, awaiting consultant. Coughing up blood.
X ray shows a shadow.
Hope it is ONLY pneumonia.

gelico wrote:

Andy wrote:Admitted to hospital.
In A&E, awaiting consultant. Coughing up blood.
X ray shows a shadow.
Hope it is ONLY pneumonia.

i sincerely hope you are found to be ok, Andy

all the best

“Five years ago Nissan were very optimistic about Britain,” he said.
“They saw it as a great place to do business, and as the gateway to Europe. Now they are pulling their investment. The absolute shambles the Tories have made of Brexit is likely one of the main reasons this has happened.”

Seems Pretty Un-Debatable as to Why Nissan made the decision. All Multi Nationals are in the same boat, the English speaking 'gateway to EU ' is closed   

veya_victaous wrote:I know tommy, You don't like the truth

I'm just letting you know how it's reported down here, keeping in mind it is only a minor story to Australia. It has to be a slow news day here, NZ, USA and Asia for it to get more than a 2 sentence summary.

Tommy Monk wrote:Brexit - List of UK Companies no longer in UK Thanks to EU Asset Stripping



List of  UK Companies that have been transferred to other countries using EU grants.  Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn't paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK.


I would like to repost the following by Richard Matthews (I'm shocked). 


"OK.. here's a short list of financial and industrial FUBARs from the EU...


Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds.
Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.
British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.
Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants.
Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.
Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs.
Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.
JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, brought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.

UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.
The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.

Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.
39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU.
The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK. The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.

 Name one major technology company still running in the UK, I used to contract out to many, then the work just dried up as they were sold off to companies from France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, etc., and now we don't even teach electronic technology for technicians any more, due to EU regulations.

I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don't even go there.
I haven't mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany.
Find something that's gone the other way, I've looked and I just can't. If you think the EU is a good idea.
1/ You haven't read the party manifesto of The European Peoples' Party.
2/ You haven't had to deal with EU petty bureaucracy tearing your business down.
3/ You don't care.

Brexit means the dissembling stops and Westminster is held to account for the good and the bad on every decision. As it should be. No wonder the Camerons and Blairs are terrified at the prospect..."

https://janetteheffernan.blogspot.com/2016/06/brexit-list-of-uk-companies-no-longer.html?m=1



But there are still some idiots that think the EU is a good thing for the UK...




And before anyone tries to quibble about whether or not EU funds were used in helping any of these companies move out of UK or not... the point I am making is that plenty of companies HAVE left the UK while we've been in the EU!!!

Andy wrote:One in three UK firms plan for no-deal Brexit relocation, IoD says

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/01/one-three-uk-firms-activate-plans-move-operations-abroad-no-deal-brexit-iod-survey?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

Tommy Monk wrote:

Companies move about... depending on their own self interest for making more profit!


This has happened while we have been in the eu... and it will happen when we are out of the EU!

veya_victaous wrote:The mass exodus of firms from the UK - blamed on Brexit - has ramped up

“Five years ago Nissan were very optimistic about Britain,” he said.
“They saw it as a great place to do business, and as the gateway to Europe. Now they are pulling their investment. The absolute shambles the Tories have made of Brexit is likely one of the main reasons this has happened.”

https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/nissan-cancels-plans-to-make-xtrail-suv-in-the-uk-amid-brexit-chaos/news-story/26eebd13b4263c2e6caabd16ba36d716


Seems Pretty Un-Debatable as to Why Nissan made the decision. All Multi Nationals are in the same boat, the English speaking 'gateway to EU ' is closed   

Tommy Monk wrote:
And I have been telling you all for years that mass immigration pushes up the cost of living, ie housing costs, which in turn pushes up the demands for higher wages, which in turn pushes up costs of everything... which in turn leads companies to have higher operating costs and lower profits... so it is no surprise that some companies seek to relocate production to a country with much lower productoon costs where costs of living and wage demands are much lower...

Andy wrote:Tests, tests and more tests.
No phone charger.

Eilzel wrote:

Andy wrote:
Tests, tests and more tests.
No phone charger.

Hope you're alright, mate.

Eilzel wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:
And I have been telling you all for years that mass immigration pushes up the cost of living, ie housing costs, which in turn pushes up the demands for higher wages, which in turn pushes up costs of everything... which in turn leads companies to have higher operating costs and lower profits... so it is no surprise that some companies seek to relocate production to a country with much lower productoon costs where costs of living and wage demands are much lower...

So you don't know more than the business leaders then? Incredible. And with your scientist beating knowledge of the sciences too! Is there nothing you don't have a superior knowledge of?

Those of us with sense will trust the economists, the experts, the business leaders, the doctors, history and the obvious state of things, tommy.

Sadly, most of your lot seem only interested in jingoism and red tops.

Tommy Monk wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:
And I have been telling you all for years that mass immigration pushes up the cost of living, ie housing costs, which in turn pushes up the demands for higher wages, which in turn pushes up costs of everything... which in turn leads companies to have higher operating costs and lower profits... so it is no surprise that some companies seek to relocate production to a country with much lower productoon costs where costs of living and wage demands are much lower...

So you don't know more than the business leaders then? Incredible. And with your scientist beating knowledge of the sciences too! Is there nothing you don't have a superior knowledge of?

Those of us with sense will trust the economists, the experts, the business leaders, the doctors, history and the obvious state of things, tommy.

Sadly, most of your lot seem only interested in jingoism and red tops.

Yeah... cos they all said said we'd be fukked if we didn't join the euro 20 years ago... and they were all wrong then and thank fuk we didn't!!!



And les... I would like you to explain why it is that you support an unelected corrupt federal dictatorship that has gone well beyond its remit of being a simple body of enabling easy trade between a few European countries... and which has sought to become an overarching controlling power over the democratically elected governments and the people of the countries that it purports to exist to serve...!!!???


And explain what you think is so wrong about the British people deciding that we should leave such an overzealous and intrusive organisation that the british people have never given any permission for it to even exist in the way that it currently does... and for us to return to being a country of self determination and direct democracy through our national parliament...!?




Article 1 of the UN charter...

Self-determination in International Law

The principle of self-determination is prominently embodied in Article I of the Charter of the United Nations. Earlier it was explicitly embraced by US President Woodrow Wilson, by Lenin and others, and became the guiding principle for the reconstruction of Europe following World War I. The principle was incorporated into the 1941 Atlantic Charter and the Dumbarton Oaks proposals which evolved into the United Nations Charter. Its inclusion in the UN Charter marks the universal recognition of the principle as fundamental to the maintenance of friendly relations and peace among states. It is recognized as a right of all peoples in the first article common to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights which both entered into force in 1976. 1 Paragraph 1 of this Article provides:

All peoples have the right to self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

Tommy Monk wrote:So you admit the EU is corrupt... but you deny that it is a dictatorship... although under current 'arrangements' the UK parliament is under the orders of accepting the dictats of the EU... although the British people have never agreed to this... and that it was expressly promised in the 1975 referendum on eea membership that the UK would never be required to be a subservient rule taker from any eea based organisation...!?


And... although you admit it is corrupt... you still give your support to it... over and above the UK parliamentary democratic system having the complete restoration of its powers and control to be dictated by the British people through democratic elections...!?


Demos kratos is the plan!!!


So... why do you support corrupt dictatorship that only seeks to benefit the interests of a few big businesses to make more profits...!?