Judgement day...

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Do you believe there will be a judgement day for each and every one of us?...

I mean with all this talk of gays and homophobia God is supposed to love everyone right?...

Amd if he can forgive rapists and murderers for their awful sins,then surely he can 'forgive' a person for being gay surely?

I see a few contradictions in the things folk write.

So are we all going to have our own judgement day and stand in front of God, before he decide ps wether or not we can enter heaven?

I think it's nonsense myself like,  but I do believe in spirits.

PhilDidge wrote:Sorry did you just say it would not be recorded anywhere?
Except the bible of course?

 ://?roflmao?/: 

That still does not explain any geological or archaeological evidence for this flood 2300-2290BC even without that, even though again we would also see all civilizations fall and be destroyed with this flood, why do they continue without collapsing or being destroyed?

DOH, you just keep walking into these don;t you

So you just made your own counter absurd

So where is this evidence for world wide flood 2300-2290BC?

Holy crap on a cracker you really come out with balderdash

i've found coulntless sites saying about the huge change and disaster of this time...

world wide disasters that wiped out major civilisations, perhaps it is coincidence ..but perhaps that would be the effect of the flood... :D 

Then you should have plenty of historical, geological and archaeological evidence for a global flood in 2300-2290BC, of which again you keep saying but never prove.
I mean it is odd that no civilization is destroyed but continues through this period. No period in the history records that show of all civilizations dying all at the same time, odd again

Hilarious, give me a break you are clutching at straws, next no doubt you will throw in Atlantis as a last resort


  


Present the world wide historical, geological and archaeological evidence for a global flood in 2300-2290BC?


Will look in later or tomorrow, byeee

PhilDidge wrote:Then you should have plenty of historical, geological and archaeological evidence for a global flood in 2300-2290BC, of which again you keep saying but never prove.
I mean it is odd that no civilization is destroyed but continues through this period. No period in the history records that show of all civilizations dying all at the same time, odd again

Hilarious, give me a break you are clutching at straws, next no doubt you will throw in Atlantis as a last resort


  


Present the world wide historical, geological and archaeological evidence for a global flood in 2300-2290BC?


Will look in later or tomorrow, byeee

well this is world wide and disastrous, seems coincidental...  :D 

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/06/prweb403825.htm

heavenly father wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:Then you should have plenty of historical, geological and archaeological evidence for a global flood in 2300-2290BC, of which again you keep saying but never prove.
I mean it is odd that no civilization is destroyed but continues through this period. No period in the history records that show of all civilizations dying all at the same time, odd again

Hilarious, give me a break you are clutching at straws, next no doubt you will throw in Atlantis as a last resort


  


Present the world wide historical, geological and archaeological evidence for a global flood in 2300-2290BC?


Will look in later or tomorrow, byeee

well this is world wide and disastrous, seems coincidental...  :D 

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/06/prweb403825.htm

 ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: 

Yeah great, the evidence please, you need to show again world wide historical, geological and archaeological evidence for a global flood in 2300-2290BC??

So far just a presumption with no evidence presented

Again you would have to also show genetics showing we only come from 8 people from this time, do you have that?

Doh

Faith clearly makes people unhinged loons

Laters

PhilDidge wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

well this is world wide and disastrous, seems coincidental...  :D 

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/06/prweb403825.htm

 ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: 

Yeah great, the evidence please, you need to show again world wide historical, geological and archaeological evidence for a global flood in 2300-2290BC??

So far just a presumption with no evidence presented

Again you would have to also show genetics showing we only come from 8 people from this time, do you have that?

Doh

Faith clearly makes people unhinged loons

Laters

lol..so sites saying a disaster that was world wide changed the world in a dramatic way which took hundreds of years to recover from and you think that is coincidental...lol

you are desperate... :D 

speak to you later.. :D 

heavenly father wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


 ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: 

Yeah great, the evidence please, you need to show again world wide historical, geological and archaeological evidence for a global flood in 2300-2290BC??

So far just a presumption with no evidence presented

Again you would have to also show genetics showing we only come from 8 people from this time, do you have that?

Doh

Faith clearly makes people unhinged loons

Laters

lol..so sites saying a disaster that was world wide changed the world in a dramatic way which took hundreds of years to recover from and you think that is coincidental...lol

you are desperate... :D 

speak to you later.. :D 

No you are desperate as you are now banking on posters to have faith in a trilogy of books, of which you have not presented any of his evidence

 ://?roflmao?/: 

So where is the global consensus of scientist that agree with him?

 ://?roflmao?/: 


Where is the genetic evidence to link everyone coming from just 8 people back then which flaws his argument?

Whoops

So HF how did the civilization in Egypt apparently survive this great flood unscathed? China? Why were the Negroid peoples not eradicted by this flood?

PhilDidge wrote:

heavenly father wrote:


lol..so sites saying a disaster that was world wide changed the world in a dramatic way which took hundreds of years to recover from and you think that is coincidental...lol

you are desperate... :D 

speak to you later.. :D 

No you are desperate as you are now banking on posters to have faith in a trilogy of books, of which you have not presented any of his evidence

 ://?roflmao?/: 

So where is the global consensus of scientist that agree with him?

 ://?roflmao?/: 


Where is the genetic evidence to link everyone coming from just 8 people back then which flaws his argument?

Whoops

lol the websites are there as are the dates, nothing desperate..lol just unbiased facts... :D 

heavenly father wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


No you are desperate as you are now banking on posters to have faith in a trilogy of books, of which you have not presented any of his evidence

 ://?roflmao?/: 

So where is the global consensus of scientist that agree with him?

 ://?roflmao?/: 


Where is the genetic evidence to link everyone coming from just 8 people back then which flaws his argument?

Whoops

lol the websites are there as are the dates, nothing desperate..lol just unbiased facts... :D 

PMSL, so now you also now have faith in websites without not being able to understand their evidence to present it to me, or that you can provide genetic evidence.

You do fight the last breath, but I know it is poor when you reek of desperation here now.

I am done on this unless you present the evidence, start with the genetic.

Good Luck

 :D 

PhilDidge wrote:

heavenly father wrote:


lol the websites are there as are the dates, nothing desperate..lol just unbiased facts... :D 

PMSL, so now you also now have faith in websites without not being able to understand their evidence to present it to me, or that you can provide genetic evidence.

You do fight the last breath, but I know it is poor when you reek of desperation here now.

I am done on this unless you present the evidence, start with the genetic.

Good Luck

 :D 

lol it speaks of a world wide disaster, that changed the whole planet, sounds good enough to me..lol

Eilzel wrote:So HF how did the civilization in Egypt apparently survive this great flood unscathed? China? Why were the Negroid peoples not eradicted by this flood?

Exactly and repopulate so quickly lol,

I wonder if the Pharaoh Pepi I Meryre was also on the ark then, being as he reigned 2332 – 2283 BC

  

Even weirder that Pharaoh Pepi I Meryre does not record any such flood or disaster falling on his nation that leave him and Noah's family left alive according to the bible

Hilarious

 :D 

PhilDidge wrote:Even weirder that Pharaoh Pepi I Meryre does not record any such flood or disaster falling on his nation that leave him and Noah's family left alive according to the bible

Hilarious

 :D 

yet many sites talk about it, perhaps 40 nights wasn't long enough to record it.. :D 

heavenly father wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:Even weirder that Pharaoh Pepi I Meryre does not record any such flood or disaster falling on his nation that leave him and Noah's family left alive according to the bible

Hilarious

 :D 

yet many sites talk about it, perhaps 40 nights wasn't long enough to record it.. :D 

Behave HF, you now saying Pharaoh Pepi I Meryre just did not bother to record this catastrophic event, even though it wiped out everything accept 8 people and pairs of animals and thus would have made him a person on the ark, even though the bible does not record him as being there? Thus if he survived, as well as others in his reign, then the bible is not the word of a deity again, as he is not or others from his kingdom recorded as being on the ark. The other conclusion is that this deity is crap at wiping out everything and his claim to doing so does not stand up to scrutiny, so on both counts you are fucked

DOH

Give it a rest, your argument is a no brainer as seen

 :D 

So, a global catastrophe stopped civilization in its tracks for 100 years starting in 2300 BCE, huh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/23rd_century_BC

PhilDidge wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

yet many sites talk about it, perhaps 40 nights wasn't long enough to record it.. :D 

Behave HF, you now saying  Pharaoh Pepi I Meryre just did not bother to record this catastrophic event, even though it wiped out everything accept 8 people and pairs of animals and thus would have made him a person on the ark, even though the bible does not record him as being there? Thus if he survived, as well as others in his reign, then the bible is not the word of a deity again, as he is not or others from his kingdom recorded as being on the ark. The other conclusion is that this deity is crap at wiping out everything and his claim to doing so does not stand up to scrutiny, so on both counts you are fucked

DOH

Give it a rest, your argument is a no brainer as seen

 :D   

he had 40 days and then died.lol do you think he would be writing his memoir's..lol

site after site no n of them Christian talk about a major disaster at that time, that destroyed nations and changed the world, i think that speaks volumes. :D 

Your problem, HF, appears to be that you'll take anything published on the web as fact without putting it through any kind of bullshit filter as long as it reaffirms your views.

What do you make of this?

http://www.thewire.com/national/2013/04/12-million-americans-believe-lizard-people-run-our-country/63799/

heavenly father wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:

Behave HF, you now saying  Pharaoh Pepi I Meryre just did not bother to record this catastrophic event, even though it wiped out everything accept 8 people and pairs of animals and thus would have made him a person on the ark, even though the bible does not record him as being there? Thus if he survived, as well as others in his reign, then the bible is not the word of a deity again, as he is not or others from his kingdom recorded as being on the ark. The other conclusion is that this deity is crap at wiping out everything and his claim to doing so does not stand up to scrutiny, so on both counts you are fucked

DOH

Give it a rest, your argument is a no brainer as seen

 :D   

he had 40 days and then died.lol do you think he would be writing his memoir's..lol

site after site no n of them Christian talk about a major disaster at that time, that destroyed nations and changed the world, i think that speaks volumes. :D 

Pharaoh Pepi I Meryre reigned 2332 – 2283 BC, that means he was around before and after the flood

DOH

That means how also did he father offspring and again why is he or members if his family not mentioned as survivors of the flood?

That means again God did not wipe out everything as claimed from the bible if he was not on the ark and he is just one ruler of which others are recorded, that means the bible is wrong, thus the biblical claim is debunked saying only 8 survived, either way your argument does not hold any validity

DOH

 :D

heavenly father wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:Even weirder that Pharaoh Pepi I Meryre does not record any such flood or disaster falling on his nation that leave him and Noah's family left alive according to the bible

Hilarious

 :D 

yet many sites talk about it, perhaps 40 nights wasn't long enough to record it.. :D 

The point you miss is that apparently this flood destroyed all humanity, minus Noah's family, and covered the whole world. So why do Negroid and Mongoloid people still exist if just over 4000 years ago every single human was killed in the flood?

Eilzel wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

yet many sites talk about it, perhaps 40 nights wasn't long enough to record it.. :D 

The point you miss is that apparently this flood destroyed all humanity, minus Noah's family, and covered the whole world. So why do Negroid and Mongoloid people still exist if just over 4000 years ago every single human was killed in the flood?

i have no idea...to be honest..

heavenly father wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

The point you miss is that apparently this flood destroyed all humanity, minus Noah's family, and covered the whole world. So why do Negroid and Mongoloid people still exist if just over 4000 years ago every single human was killed in the flood?

i have no idea...to be honest..

Of course you don't- no one can possibly have any idea- the fact is the existent of those peoples across vast geographical areas for thousands of years before the flood, and after, is more than enough to suggest a great, humanity destroying flood, as described in the Bible cannot have happened.

Sorry, just one of many Biblical myths totally debunked by historical reality.

Eilzel wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

i have no idea...to be honest..

Of course you don't- no one can possibly have any idea- the fact is the existent of those peoples across vast geographical areas for thousands of years before the flood, and after, is more than enough to suggest a great, humanity destroying flood, as described in the Bible cannot have happened.

Sorry, just one of many Biblical myths totally debunked by historical reality.

totally debunked...lol i love your reasoning. is evolution totally debunked becuasse it has holes in it..lol

Concerning a world wide flood in 2-3,000 years ago, (or BC) the Romans were great historians and there are no records of such a monumental flood in their time.

HF, quoting you from p.7: 'I always agree with the bible,the bible does not say that, that is assumptions, read the genesis story, if you really want to learn, check the hebrew, use a n exhaustive concordance and you will see something quite amazing, again Job has some interesting information upon the first flood.'

I was going to ask you if you believe what the Bible and especially Genesis tells you, but you've answered it for me. And with a fear of boring some of you with a counter to Genesis, for I've said it so many times in other discussions, there are approximatley 30,000,000 (thirty million) species of life on this planet, many species being indigenous to various continents. There was no way that Noah couls have saved specimens of all species. I'll come back to this later with much more detail which will prove the fantasy of the story.

Just try this little experiment: Fill your sink full of water and suspend a cup in the middle, half way down. That is how the Flood would have covered the Earth. It says 'the waters began to recede.' Where to? If the Earth opened up and swallowed the waters, on reaching the hot interior the planet would have blown apart.

Finally for tonight, HF and Maine, you claim that Jehovah and Allah are not the same god, therefore we have 2 gods which brings us into the realm of mythology.

Mention was made earlier about the age of Man. The Aborigines have been in Australia for 40,000 years. As for Britain, my own DNA shows a link stretching back to 10,000 BC, to the first inhabitants of Britain, when it was still attached to Europe.
More detail about the Flood, Ark and animals tomorrow. Bye for now.

heavenly father wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Of course you don't- no one can possibly have any idea- the fact is the existent of those peoples across vast geographical areas for thousands of years before the flood, and after, is more than enough to suggest a great, humanity destroying flood, as described in the Bible cannot have happened.

Sorry, just one of many Biblical myths totally debunked by historical reality.

totally debunked...lol i love your reasoning. is evolution totally debunked becuasse it has holes in it..lol

There are no holes in evolution.

The Noah story is debunked because we have a clear time frame for it to happen according to scripture and through all the vast historical evidence we have of that time; PLUS the existence of different peoples in different parts of the world and civilizations around at that time we know that nothing of the sort happened at all.

I posted the same time as you just now, just above yours.

Hi Eilzel, I'm going to cover the Noah/Ark story tomorrow, with much more detail which will prove it to be a work of fantasy.

stardesk wrote:Concerning a world wide flood in 2-3,000 years ago, (or BC) the Romans were great historians and there are no records of such a monumental flood in their time.

HF, quoting you from p.7: 'I always agree with the bible,the bible does not say that, that is assumptions, read the genesis story, if you really want to learn, check the hebrew, use a n exhaustive concordance and you will see something quite amazing, again Job has some interesting information upon the first flood.'

I was going to ask you if you believe what the Bible and especially Genesis tells you, but you've answered it for me. And with a fear of boring some of you with a counter to Genesis, for I've said it so many times in other discussions, there are approximatley 30,000,000 (thirty million) species of life on this planet, many species being indigenous to various continents. There was no way that Noah couls have saved specimens of all species. I'll come back to this later with much more detail which will prove the fantasy of the story.

Just try this little experiment: Fill your sink full of water and suspend a cup in the middle, half way down. That is how the Flood would have covered the Earth. It says 'the waters began to recede.' Where to? If the Earth opened up and swallowed the waters, on reaching the hot interior the planet would have blown apart.

Finally for tonight, HF and Maine, you claim that Jehovah and Allah are not the same god, therefore we have 2 gods which brings us into the realm of mythology.

Mention was made earlier about the age of Man. The Aborigines have been in Australia for 40,000 years. As for Britain, my own DNA shows a link stretching back to 10,000 BC, to the first inhabitants of Britain, when it was still attached to Europe.
More detail about the Flood, Ark and animals tomorrow. Bye for now.

Interesting stuff Star   

Which actually brings me to another point re: the animals.

It is rather odd isn't it that AFTER the ark perched on its peak somewhere in the middle-east- that NOT ONE Kangaroo or Llama or Koala Bear or Sloth or Tasmanian Devil decided to stick around on the Eurasian continent. Even MORE amazing that so many species exclusive to South America and Australasia managed to travel all the way to the ends of the continent then SWIM to their new habitats! Especially things like Tasmanian Devils which must have swam multiple times across various islands- that is of course only amazing if you are dumb enough to believe the truth of the Noah story  

^look forward to it as always Star

Eilzel wrote:

stardesk wrote:Concerning a world wide flood in 2-3,000 years ago, (or BC) the Romans were great historians and there are no records of such a monumental flood in their time.

HF, quoting you from p.7: 'I always agree with the bible,the bible does not say that, that is assumptions, read the genesis story, if you really want to learn, check the hebrew, use a n exhaustive concordance and you will see something quite amazing, again Job has some interesting information upon the first flood.'

I was going to ask you if you believe what the Bible and especially Genesis tells you, but you've answered it for me. And with a fear of boring some of you with a counter to Genesis, for I've said it so many times in other discussions, there are approximatley 30,000,000 (thirty million) species of life on this planet, many species being indigenous to various continents. There was no way that Noah couls have saved specimens of all species. I'll come back to this later with much more detail which will prove the fantasy of the story.

Just try this little experiment: Fill your sink full of water and suspend a cup in the middle, half way down. That is how the Flood would have covered the Earth. It says 'the waters began to recede.' Where to? If the Earth opened up and swallowed the waters, on reaching the hot interior the planet would have blown apart.

Finally for tonight, HF and Maine, you claim that Jehovah and Allah are not the same god, therefore we have 2 gods which brings us into the realm of mythology.

Mention was made earlier about the age of Man. The Aborigines have been in Australia for 40,000 years. As for Britain, my own DNA shows a link stretching back to 10,000 BC, to the first inhabitants of Britain, when it was still attached to Europe.
More detail about the Flood, Ark and animals tomorrow. Bye for now.

Interesting stuff Star   

Which actually brings me to another point re: the animals.

It is rather odd isn't it that AFTER the ark perched on its peak somewhere in the middle-east- that NOT ONE Kangaroo or Llama or Koala Bear or Sloth or Tasmanian Devil decided to stick around on the Eurasian continent. Even MORE amazing that so many species exclusive to South America and Australasia managed to travel all the way to the ends of the continent then SWIM to their new habitats! Especially things like Tasmanian Devils which must have swam multiple times across various islands- that is of course only amazing if you are dumb enough to believe the truth of the Noah story  

^look forward to it as always Star

Do you not know Eilzel, apparently Captain Kirk of the Enterprise beamed all the species up and down again into the ark and then when the flood receded he beamed them all back up and again and beamed them down onto the different areas of the earth

  

The logic of religious faith is daft to be seen


By the way brilliant post stardesk, I know this is one area of expertise you excel at and cannot wait to see more tomorrow, thanks

PhilDidge wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Interesting stuff Star   

Which actually brings me to another point re: the animals.

It is rather odd isn't it that AFTER the ark perched on its peak somewhere in the middle-east- that NOT ONE Kangaroo or Llama or Koala Bear or Sloth or Tasmanian Devil decided to stick around on the Eurasian continent. Even MORE amazing that so many species exclusive to South America and Australasia managed to travel all the way to the ends of the continent then SWIM to their new habitats! Especially things like Tasmanian Devils which must have swam multiple times across various islands- that is of course only amazing if you are dumb enough to believe the truth of the Noah story  

^look forward to it as always Star

Do you not know Eilzel, apparently Captain Kirk of the Enterprise beamed all the species up and down again into the ark and then when the flood receded he beamed them all back up and again and beamed them down  onto the different areas of the earth

  

The logic of religious faith is daft to be seen


By the way brilliant post stardesk, I know this is one area of expertise you excel at and cannot wait to see more tomorrow, thanks

Haha, well at least that's more believable!

Eilzel wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

totally debunked...lol i love your reasoning. is evolution totally debunked becuasse it has holes in it..lol

There are no holes in evolution.

The Noah story is debunked because we have a clear time frame for it to happen according to scripture and through all the vast historical evidence we have of that time; PLUS the existence of different peoples in different  parts of the world and civilizations around at that time we know that nothing of the sort happened at all.

no holes.lol no fossil record, no mechanism, no mutations....lol

evolution debunked... :D 

Eilzel wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


Do you not know Eilzel, apparently Captain Kirk of the Enterprise beamed all the species up and down again into the ark and then when the flood receded he beamed them all back up and again and beamed them down  onto the different areas of the earth

  

The logic of religious faith is daft to be seen


By the way brilliant post stardesk, I know this is one area of expertise you excel at and cannot wait to see more tomorrow, thanks

Haha, well at least that's more believable!

lol indeed, I mean its funny how this deity is so basically daft at planning, with what you just showed quite rightly as absurd how all these species managed to get back to where they roam, to the point why even need to build an ark if you can transport them.??

  

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heavenly father wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

There are no holes in evolution.

The Noah story is debunked because we have a clear time frame for it to happen according to scripture and through all the vast historical evidence we have of that time; PLUS the existence of different peoples in different  parts of the world and civilizations around at that time we know that nothing of the sort happened at all.

no holes.lol no fossil record, no mechanism, no mutations....lol

evolution debunked... :D 

I'm not going to explain evolution again; I have enough trouble getting you to understand basic English...

SO more interesting, since you're the expert on the Bible- AFTER the Bible parked up and the flood receded- how did the Sloths get to South America? And how did the Tasmanian Devils get back to Tasmania? And why, in that whole journey, didn't one of either species stick around in Europe or Asia?

Eilzel wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

no holes.lol no fossil record, no mechanism, no mutations....lol

evolution debunked... :D 

I'm not going to explain evolution again; I have enough trouble getting you to understand basic English...

SO more interesting, since you're the expert on the Bible- AFTER the Bible parked up and the flood receded- how did the Sloths get to South America? And how did the Tasmanian Devils get back to Tasmania? And why, in that whole journey, didn't one of either species stick around in Europe or Asia?

why not talk about evolution oh no need its debunked isn't it..lol

God creator of all things can do what he wants.

heavenly father wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

I'm not going to explain evolution again; I have enough trouble getting you to understand basic English...

SO more interesting, since you're the expert on the Bible- AFTER the Bible parked up and the flood receded- how did the Sloths get to South America? And how did the Tasmanian Devils get back to Tasmania? And why, in that whole journey, didn't one of either species stick around in Europe or Asia?

why not talk about evolution oh no need its debunked isn't it..lol

God creator of all things can do what he wants.

I'm not wasting time typing something you don't understand, I'm tired, and what is the point?

What do you mean 'God creator of all thing'? So go magically gave Sloths, Kangaroos and Taz the ability to swim across continents for a brief time a few thousand years back?

Eilzel wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

why not talk about evolution oh no need its debunked isn't it..lol

God creator of all things can do what he wants.

I'm not wasting time typing something you don't understand, I'm tired, and what is the point?

What do you mean 'God creator of all thing'? So go magically gave Sloths, Kangaroos and Taz the ability to swim across continents for a brief time a few thousand years back?

lol..scared you cant cover the holes..lol i don't blame you..

he is God he can do what ever he wishes.. :D 

heavenly father wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

I'm not wasting time typing something you don't understand, I'm tired, and what is the point?

What do you mean 'God creator of all thing'? So go magically gave Sloths, Kangaroos and Taz the ability to swim across continents for a brief time a few thousand years back?

lol..scared you cant cover the holes..lol i don't blame you..

he is God he can do what ever he wishes.. :D 

So you think either a) God 'magicked' Taz onto the island of Tasmania; or b) Taz walked his merry way to either the Persian Gulf or Gulf of Thailand or Indian Ocean and swam the rest; perhaps talking a breather at Java who knows eh?- either way you believe some ridiculous bull crap   

Eilzel wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

lol..scared you cant cover the holes..lol i don't blame you..

he is God he can do what ever he wishes.. :D 

So you think either a) God 'magicked' Taz onto the island of Tasmania; or b) Taz walked his merry way to either the Persian Gulf or Gulf of Thailand or Indian Ocean and swam the rest; perhaps talking a breather at Java who knows eh?- either way you believe some ridiculous bull crap   

lol and you believe..

a/ you was once a monkey who learned to walk upright...

b/ a mutation made you what you are...

c/ being gay is normal...lol


stick to your religion..lol

if God is as I believe the creator of all things he can do all things..

heavenly father wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

So you think either a) God 'magicked' Taz onto the island of Tasmania; or b) Taz walked his merry way to either the Persian Gulf or Gulf of Thailand or Indian Ocean and swam the rest; perhaps talking a breather at Java who knows eh?- either way you believe some ridiculous bull crap   

lol and you believe..

a/ you was once a monkey who learned to walk upright...

b/ a mutation made you what you are...

c/ being gay is normal...lol


stick to your religion..lol

if God is as I believe the creator of all things he can do all things..

a) sort of, but not a monkey, a common ancestor of both humans and monkeys- of which there is masses of evidence.

b) a series of mutations were involved in the eventual development of humans yes, well done you are learning   

c) being gay is normal in that is a normal variation in the diversity of humans, like left handedness, blue eyes and being a genius- not typical but perfectly normal. You are getting somewhere at last!

Yes you will believe just about anything- transoceanic sloths- fucking fantastic   

Eilzel wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

lol and you believe..

a/ you was once a monkey who learned to walk upright...

b/ a mutation made you what you are...

c/ being gay is normal...lol


stick to your religion..lol

if God is as I believe the creator of all things he can do all things..

a) sort of, but not a monkey, a common ancestor of both humans and monkeys- of which there is masses of evidence.

b) a series of mutations were involved in the eventual development of humans yes, well done you are learning   

c) being gay is normal in that is a normal variation in the diversity of humans, like left handedness, blue eyes and being a genius- not typical but perfectly normal. You are getting somewhere at last!

Yes you will believe just about anything- transoceanic sloths- fucking fantastic   

lol mutations, when we only see neutral or negative..lol


funny how no one ever comes up with a mutation that would cause male and female to form at the same time...lol

but hey there are no holes in evolution... :D 

Eilzel wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

lol and you believe..

a/ you was once a monkey who learned to walk upright...

b/ a mutation made you what you are...

c/ being gay is normal...lol


stick to your religion..lol

if God is as I believe the creator of all things he can do all things..

a) sort of, but not a monkey, a common ancestor of both humans and monkeys- of which there is masses of evidence.

b) a series of mutations were involved in the eventual development of humans yes, well done you are learning   

c) being gay is normal in that is a normal variation in the diversity of humans, like left handedness, blue eyes and being a genius- not typical but perfectly normal. You are getting somewhere at last!

Yes you will believe just about anything- transoceanic sloths- fucking fantastic   

lol did not take long for the old put in the "gay is not normal" to deflect from his argument sinking faster than the HMS Hood

You have to love creationists, have no answers and then defect away from being unable to answer by making even more absurd claims, which he bases off the bible not common sense, faith, don't you love it, how it turns people stupid. Hence why I saw how the bible was absurd as I once thought homosexuality was wrong and saw the wisdom I was wrong and so could any conception of a loving deity create humans and homosexuality, if we believe the babble that this was also completely wrong. It would show another contradiction with this belief in this deity, why create something you then claim is wrong

What you should ask HF is that clearly he thinks what his deity creates is not normal in some cases and thus not perfect or right, so how could his deity be so incompetent to create something he is against, his deity has made according to his beliefs, that this deity created everything, and thus created homosexuality?

It shows now with his own logic he conflicts with this own beliefs, as if his deity created homosexuality, then it stands to reason that what his deity creates would all be normal

PhilDidge wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

a) sort of, but not a monkey, a common ancestor of both humans and monkeys- of which there is masses of evidence.

b) a series of mutations were involved in the eventual development of humans yes, well done you are learning   

c) being gay is normal in that is a normal variation in the diversity of humans, like left handedness, blue eyes and being a genius- not typical but perfectly normal. You are getting somewhere at last!

Yes you will believe just about anything- transoceanic sloths- fucking fantastic   

lol did not take long for the old put in the "gay is not normal" to deflect from his argument sinking faster than the HMS Hood

You have to love creationists, have no answers and then defect away from being unable to answer by making even more absurd claims, which he bases off the bible not common sense, faith, don't you love it, how it turns people stupid. Hence why I saw how the bible was absurd as I once thought homosexuality was wrong and saw the wisdom I was wrong and so could any conception of a loving deity create humans and homosexuality, if we believe the babble that this was also completely wrong. It would show another contradiction with this belief in this deity, why create something you then claim is wrong

What you should ask HF is that clearly he thinks what his deity creates is not normal in some cases and thus not perfect or right, so how could his deity be so incompetent to create something he is against, his deity has made according to his beliefs, that this deity created everything, and thus created homosexuality?

It shows now with his own logic he conflicts with this own beliefs, as if his deity created homosexuality, then it stands to reason that what his deity creates would all be normal

my God did not create homosexuality mans depravity created homosexuality... :D 

PhilDidge wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

a) sort of, but not a monkey, a common ancestor of both humans and monkeys- of which there is masses of evidence.

b) a series of mutations were involved in the eventual development of humans yes, well done you are learning   

c) being gay is normal in that is a normal variation in the diversity of humans, like left handedness, blue eyes and being a genius- not typical but perfectly normal. You are getting somewhere at last!

Yes you will believe just about anything- transoceanic sloths- fucking fantastic   

lol did not take long for the old put in the "gay is not normal" to deflect from his argument sinking faster than the HMS Hood

You have to love creationists, have no answers and then defect away from being unable to answer by making even more absurd claims, which he bases off the bible not common sense, faith, don't you love it, how it turns people stupid. Hence why I saw how the bible was absurd as I once thought homosexuality was wrong and saw the wisdom I was wrong and so could any conception of a loving deity create humans and homosexuality, if we believe the babble that this was also completely wrong. It would show another contradiction with this belief in this deity, why create something you then claim is wrong

What you should ask HF is that clearly he thinks what his deity creates is not normal in some cases and thus not perfect or right, so how could his deity be so incompetent to create something he is against, his deity has made according to his beliefs, that this deity created everything, and thus created homosexuality?

It shows now with his own logic he conflicts with this own beliefs, as if his deity created homosexuality, then it stands to reason that what his deity creates would all be normal

He will use the old 'free will' line- which makes no sense whatsoever; since people don't (and probably wouldn't) 'choose' to be gay. And that is a whole psychological argument which is really going beyond a guy who is already struggling enough with basic biology; scriptural claims and the English language   

heavenly father wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


lol did not take long for the old put in the "gay is not normal" to deflect from his argument sinking faster than the HMS Hood

You have to love creationists, have no answers and then defect away from being unable to answer by making even more absurd claims, which he bases off the bible not common sense, faith, don't you love it, how it turns people stupid. Hence why I saw how the bible was absurd as I once thought homosexuality was wrong and saw the wisdom I was wrong and so could any conception of a loving deity create humans and homosexuality, if we believe the babble that this was also completely wrong. It would show another contradiction with this belief in this deity, why create something you then claim is wrong

What you should ask HF is that clearly he thinks what his deity creates is not normal in some cases and thus not perfect or right, so how could his deity be so incompetent to create something he is against, his deity has made according to his beliefs, that this deity created everything, and thus created homosexuality?

It shows now with his own logic he conflicts with this own beliefs, as if his deity created homosexuality, then it stands to reason that what his deity creates would all be normal

my God did not create homosexuality mans depravity created homosexuality... :D 

So how did homosexuality come into being, evolution then?

You are in a right rut now, because your deity in the works claims to have created everything, from objects to thoughts to feelings, that is the creation myth, thus he would have created homosexuality, otherwise you are claiming god is wrong again and that others can create.

Open your eyes for once as I did and see that what you follow is man made, not divine, as there is nothing wrong with homosexuals, and it is very much normal, just as many other things.

Eilzel wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


lol did not take long for the old put in the "gay is not normal" to deflect from his argument sinking faster than the HMS Hood

You have to love creationists, have no answers and then defect away from being unable to answer by making even more absurd claims, which he bases off the bible not common sense, faith, don't you love it, how it turns people stupid. Hence why I saw how the bible was absurd as I once thought homosexuality was wrong and saw the wisdom I was wrong and so could any conception of a loving deity create humans and homosexuality, if we believe the babble that this was also completely wrong. It would show another contradiction with this belief in this deity, why create something you then claim is wrong

What you should ask HF is that clearly he thinks what his deity creates is not normal in some cases and thus not perfect or right, so how could his deity be so incompetent to create something he is against, his deity has made according to his beliefs, that this deity created everything, and thus created homosexuality?

It shows now with his own logic he conflicts with this own beliefs, as if his deity created homosexuality, then it stands to reason that what his deity creates would all be normal

He will use the old 'free will' line- which makes no sense whatsoever; since people don't (and probably wouldn't) 'choose' to be gay. And that is a whole psychological argument which is really going beyond a guy who is already struggling enough with basic biology; scriptural claims and the English language   

I know buddy, he fails to see his own contradictions and shows his real passion a dislike of homosexuals, quite sad really when the person he claims to have faith in, never once spoke badly of homosexuals but preached love.
I fail to see how he is expressing love for disliking something

I also want to know if HF thinks his deity did not create attraction?

heavenly father wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


lol did not take long for the old put in the "gay is not normal" to deflect from his argument sinking faster than the HMS Hood

You have to love creationists, have no answers and then defect away from being unable to answer by making even more absurd claims, which he bases off the bible not common sense, faith, don't you love it, how it turns people stupid. Hence why I saw how the bible was absurd as I once thought homosexuality was wrong and saw the wisdom I was wrong and so could any conception of a loving deity create humans and homosexuality, if we believe the babble that this was also completely wrong. It would show another contradiction with this belief in this deity, why create something you then claim is wrong

What you should ask HF is that clearly he thinks what his deity creates is not normal in some cases and thus not perfect or right, so how could his deity be so incompetent to create something he is against, his deity has made according to his beliefs, that this deity created everything, and thus created homosexuality?

It shows now with his own logic he conflicts with this own beliefs, as if his deity created homosexuality, then it stands to reason that what his deity creates would all be normal

my God did not create homosexuality mans depravity created homosexuality... :D 

If that were true, why does it appear in all species then?

Eilzel wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


lol did not take long for the old put in the "gay is not normal" to deflect from his argument sinking faster than the HMS Hood

You have to love creationists, have no answers and then defect away from being unable to answer by making even more absurd claims, which he bases off the bible not common sense, faith, don't you love it, how it turns people stupid. Hence why I saw how the bible was absurd as I once thought homosexuality was wrong and saw the wisdom I was wrong and so could any conception of a loving deity create humans and homosexuality, if we believe the babble that this was also completely wrong. It would show another contradiction with this belief in this deity, why create something you then claim is wrong

What you should ask HF is that clearly he thinks what his deity creates is not normal in some cases and thus not perfect or right, so how could his deity be so incompetent to create something he is against, his deity has made according to his beliefs, that this deity created everything, and thus created homosexuality?

It shows now with his own logic he conflicts with this own beliefs, as if his deity created homosexuality, then it stands to reason that what his deity creates would all be normal

He will use the old 'free will' line- which makes no sense whatsoever; since people don't (and probably wouldn't) 'choose' to be gay. And that is a whole psychological argument which is really going beyond a guy who is already struggling enough with basic biology; scriptural claims and the English language   

lol, my God did not create homosexuality, depravity created homosexuality..

of course you chose to be gay, no genetics support, evolution has no reason to create it, so it only leaves choice.

HF, answer the question, did your deity create attraction?

heavenly father wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

He will use the old 'free will' line- which makes no sense whatsoever; since people don't (and probably wouldn't) 'choose' to be gay. And that is a whole psychological argument which is really going beyond a guy who is already struggling enough with basic biology; scriptural claims and the English language   

lol, my God did not create homosexuality, depravity created homosexuality..

of course you chose to be gay, no genetics support, evolution has no reason to create it, so it only leaves choice.

And logic escapes you again.

1. Why would I (or anyone) 'choose' to be homosexual- considering the facts of discrimination, difficulty in routes to starting a family, less chances of finding a partner.

2. When did you choose to be heterosexual? (I'm assuming you never 'chose')

And even if what you say is true- God created that depravity- so God failed one way or another   

Eilzel wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

lol, my God did not create homosexuality, depravity created homosexuality..

of course you chose to be gay, no genetics support, evolution has no reason to create it, so it only leaves choice.

And logic escapes you again.

1. Why would I (or anyone) 'choose' to be homosexual- considering the facts of discrimination, difficulty in routes to starting a family, less chances of finding a partner.

2. When did you choose to be heterosexual? (I'm assuming you never 'chose')

And even if what you say is true- God created that depravity- so God failed one way or another   

logic escapes you as always...

you chose because of something that happened to you..

heterosexual is the normal, homosexual is the deviant..

as i said evolution would not make any sense of homosexuality.. :D 

heavenly father wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

And logic escapes you again.

1. Why would I (or anyone) 'choose' to be homosexual- considering the facts of discrimination, difficulty in routes to starting a family, less chances of finding a partner.

2. When did you choose to be heterosexual? (I'm assuming you never 'chose')

And even if what you say is true- God created that depravity- so God failed one way or another   

logic escapes you as always...

you chose because of something that happened to you..

heterosexual is the normal, homosexual is the deviant..

as i said evolution would not make any sense of homosexuality.. :D 

Really? And what exactly happened to me all-seeing Father?   

As I see it my upbringing, shocking by (get this) 'straight' parents was pretty much as standard as any others- I just knew, from quite a young age, that girls did nothing for me. Sorry HF but you know nothing on this subject (and not much on any as far as I can tell).