Judgement day...

Do you believe there will be a judgement day for each and every one of us?...

I mean with all this talk of gays and homophobia God is supposed to love everyone right?...

Amd if he can forgive rapists and murderers for their awful sins,then surely he can 'forgive' a person for being gay surely?

I see a few contradictions in the things folk write.

So are we all going to have our own judgement day and stand in front of God, before he decide ps wether or not we can enter heaven?

I think it's nonsense myself like,  but I do believe in spirits.

Yes God forgives gays why wouldn't he , as a believer I do believe that those who don't believer in Jesus will be judged , but its never too late to repent and ask for forgiveness .

Maine coon lover wrote:Yes God forgives gays why wouldn't he , as a believer I do believe that those who don't believer in Jesus will be judged , but its never too late to repent and ask for forgiveness .

So all anyone has to do is wait until their death bed, after living a life of debauchery and repent, whilst many other people who lead a pious life yet do not believe in him are condemned.
It does not get anymore illogical than that

Honestly JD I believe when you dead you're dead, gone. As hard as that may sound finally peace.

PhilDidge wrote:

Maine coon lover wrote:Yes God forgives gays why wouldn't he , as a believer I do believe that those who don't believer in Jesus will be judged , but its never too late to repent and ask for forgiveness .

So all anyone has to do is wait until their death bed, after living a life of debauchery and repent, whilst many other people who lead a pious life yet do not believe in him are condemned.
It does not get anymore illogical than that

.....I was just going to ask that Didge!...

One can live a life of crime etc and on their deathbed ask for forgiveness and believe in god for the final few hours?

At least God lets you live life how you wish and still gives you one last chance , you cant get any fairer than that .

feelthelove wrote:Honestly JD I believe when you dead you're dead, gone.  As hard as that may sound finally peace.

...I believe kind of the same FTL, but I do believe in spirits, but not any God.

Maine coon lover wrote:At least God lets you live life how you wish and still gives you one last chance , you cant get any fairer than that .

How has he given you a chance if everything is premeditated?
Are you saying this deity you believe in cannot see the future?

Remember that guy Fatihah from ADO?, the guy was OTT cuckoo on religion and said that region debunked science...

I say it's the other way around.

Joy Division wrote:Do you believe there will be a judgement day deformed each and every one of us?...

I mean with all this talk of gays and homophobia God is supposed to love everyone right?...

Amd if he can forgive rapists and murderers for their awful sins,then surely he can 'forgive' a person for being gay surely?

I see a few contradictions in the things folk write.

So are we all going to have our own judgement day and stand in front of God, before he decide ps wether or not we can enter heaven?

I think it's nonsense myself like,  but I do believe in spirits.

Hi JD   

Energy has to go somewhere, and my family and i experienced weird goings in a house where we lived when i was a kid...As i have relayed on other forums..It was a bit freaky when my little brother and i relay, that whilst sleeping in a bedroom (at different times) at that house (ten year age gap)....That there was a fist smashing up from beneath the mattress...

I've also experienced paranormal activities, when i was 20..(ex of mine)..When at an old nursing home where he was working..We used to piss ourselves laughing, because you would close the living room door, and then it would open on it's own...Then we used to check and it and it and there was no way that it could have opened on its own as it was firmly shut!

He used to share with a female nurse, she always used run to sleep in his bed...The place was that fucking scary, and freezing cold as well, even in the height of summer.

PhilDidge wrote:

Maine coon lover wrote:At least God lets you live life how you wish and still gives you one last chance , you cant get any fairer than that .

How has he given you a chance if everything is premeditated?
Are you saying this deity you believe in cannot see the future?

sorry but I don't want to debate with you , you irritate my spirit .

Maine coon lover wrote:At least God lets you live life how you wish and still gives you one last chance , you cant get any fairer than that .

That's not fair Maine, essentially you can be a serial killer and your God will offer forgiveness???? 

Maine coon lover wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:



How has he given you a chance if everything is premeditated?
Are you saying this deity you believe in cannot see the future?

sorry but I don't want to debate with you , you irritate my spirit .

You do not have to debate me, I will though counter posts you make, if I feel they lack common sense!

Maybe what you do not like is that I show how flawed your belief is

Sorry, such is life

PhilDidge wrote:

Maine coon lover wrote:

sorry but I don't want to debate with you , you irritate my spirit .

You do not have to debate me, I will though counter posts you make, if I feel they lack common sense!

Maybe what you do not like is that I show how flawed your belief is

Sorry, such is life

no you haven't flawed my belief I just don't like the way you make me feel , I think its a clash in spirit .

feelthelove wrote:

Maine coon lover wrote:At least God lets you live life how you wish and still gives you one last chance , you cant get any fairer than that .

That's not fair Maine, essentially you can be a serial killer and your God will offer forgiveness???? 

Yes, if the serial killer truly repents.

Catman wrote:

Joy Division wrote:Do you believe there will be a judgement day deformed each and every one of us?...

I mean with all this talk of gays and homophobia God is supposed to love everyone right?...

Amd if he can forgive rapists and murderers for their awful sins,then surely he can 'forgive' a person for being gay surely?

I see a few contradictions in the things folk write.

So are we all going to have our own judgement day and stand in front of God, before he decide ps wether or not we can enter heaven?

I think it's nonsense myself like,  but I do believe in spirits.

Hi JD   

Energy has to go somewhere, and my family and i experienced weird goings in a house where we lived when i was a kid...As i have relayed on other forums..It was a bit freaky when my little brother and i relay, that whilst sleeping in a bedroom (at different times) at that house (ten year age gap)....That there was a fist smashing up from beneath the mattress...

I've also experienced paranormal activities, when i was 20..(ex of mine)..When at an old nursing home where he was working..We used to piss ourselves laughing, because you would close the living room door, and then it would open on it's own...Then we used to check and it and it and there was no way that it could have opened on its own as it was firmly shut!

He used to share with a female nurse, she always used run to sleep in his bed...The place was that fucking scary, and freezing cold as well, even in the height of summer.

Hey Phil, I've had experiences too, one time in my sisters house , my mate...who passed over in October was staying over and he woke me to tell me he heard the sound of pages turning and a terrible smell he had never smelled before, I woke to hear the pages turning noise and my mate, who was huge in height , jumped from the top bunk to put the light on, he fell of the bed in doing so!!

The house was eerie, only after my sisters man had moved in and he aye said his dad was a right bastard to him, it was t the only thing that happened ,quite a few things actually...

Another was when me, my sis and her man were in,mothers was this light thing going around the door frame in front of the three of us.

Another time in hospital, we were expecting our youngest lad , and the wife's glass of water just pinged and shot across the wee table that goes across the bed!!, we were sure it was my brother form the other side, quite a bit more than that happened too!

My mum also said to us, whilst we were discussing all of this over Xmas dinner a few years back....That she used to see a ghostly figure of a cavalier at the end of her bed on many occasions, but she didn't feel scared there at all.

She said...In the end i wanted to speak to it, then it never appeared again.

FACT!

Maine coon lover wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


You do not have to debate me, I will though counter posts you make, if I feel they lack common sense!

Maybe what you do not like is that I show how flawed your belief is

Sorry, such is life

no you haven't flawed my belief I just don't like the way you make me feel , I think its a clash in spirit .

Then why cannot you not answer simple questions about your faith, if your faith is so strong?

Clearly your deity can see and know all if we are to believe the scriptures, thus how can anyone live their life, when it is already predetermined in advance?

How on earth do you expect others to be convinced of your faith and even convert, if you shy away from answering questions?

Remember folks, this thread is really only about what we each believe!!

feelthelove wrote:

Maine coon lover wrote:At least God lets you live life how you wish and still gives you one last chance , you cant get any fairer than that .

That's not fair Maine, essentially you can be a serial killer and your God will offer forgiveness???? 

well I have posted this reply twice on two different threads .
I think you would want God to be fair and just .. right ? well he is , he doesn't see any sin any different from another and he wants everyone to come to repentance because he loves us all. If someone you knew was murderer and genuinely wanted to repent and felt so guilty for they had done and yet that sin couldn't be forgiven , but the guy next door who was a liar a thief an adulterer asked for forgiveness and was accepted , why would that be fair ? The level of guilt and shame is the same for any sin so all sins are forgiven .
If you were a murderer and genuinely asked God for forgiveness you would want him to accept it wouldn't you ?

Catman wrote:My mum also said to us, whilst we were discussing all of this over Xmas dinner a few years back....That she used to see a ghostly figure of a cavalier at the end of her bed on many occasions, but she didn't feel scared there at all.

She said...In the end i wanted to speak to it, then it never appeared again.

FACT!

...funny how sometimes certain people are calm and other times scaird shitless Phil eh?

..I mean Lucian,,..FACTUAL FACT !!  

PhilDidge wrote:

Maine coon lover wrote:

no you haven't flawed my belief I just don't like the way you make me feel , I think its a clash in spirit .

Then why cannot you not answer simple questions about your faith, if your faith is so strong?

Clearly your deity can see and know all if we are to believe the scriptures, thus how can anyone live their life, when it is already predetermined in advance?

How on earth do you expect others to be convinced of your faith and even convert, if you shy away from answering questions?

How long have you been debating the bible ?

Maine coon lover wrote:

feelthelove wrote:

That's not fair Maine, essentially you can be a serial killer and your God will offer forgiveness???? 

well I have posted this reply twice on two different threads .
I think you would want God to be fair and just .. right ? well he is , he doesn't see any sin any different from another and he wants everyone to come to repentance because he loves us all. If someone you knew was murderer and genuinely wanted to repent and felt so guilty for they had done and yet that sin couldn't be forgiven , but the guy next door who was a liar a thief an adulterer asked for forgiveness and was accepted , why would that be fair ? The level of guilt and shame is the same for any sin so all sins are forgiven .
If you were a murderer and genuinely asked God for forgiveness you would want him to accept it wouldn't you ?

But the bible shows some sins are not forgiven, so from your own faith, not all sins are forgiven

Joy Division wrote:

Catman wrote:

Hi JD   

Energy has to go somewhere, and my family and i experienced weird goings in a house where we lived when i was a kid...As i have relayed on other forums..It was a bit freaky when my little brother and i relay, that whilst sleeping in a bedroom (at different times) at that house (ten year age gap)....That there was a fist smashing up from beneath the mattress...

I've also experienced paranormal activities, when i was 20..(ex of mine)..When at an old nursing home where he was working..We used to piss ourselves laughing, because you would close the living room door, and then it would open on it's own...Then we used to check and it and it and there was no way that it could have opened on its own as it was firmly shut!

He used to share with a female nurse, she always used run to sleep in his bed...The place was that fucking scary, and freezing cold as well, even in the height of summer.

Hey Phil, I've had experiences too, one time in my sisters house , my mate...who passed over in October was staying over and he woke me to tell me he heard the sound of pages turning and a terrible smell he had never smelled before, I woke to hear the pages turning noise and my mate, who was huge in height , jumped from the top bunk to put the light on, he fell of the bed in doing so!!

The house was eerie, only after my sisters man had moved in and he aye said his dad was a right bastard to him, it was t the only thing that happened ,quite a few things actually...

Another was when me, my sis and her man were in,mothers was this light thing going around the door frame in front of the three of us.

Another time in hospital, we were expecting our youngest lad , and the wife's glass of water just pinged and shot across the wee table that goes across the bed!!, we were sure it was my brother form the other side, quite a bit more than that happened too!

I think it's energy JD.

It's something that we cannot begin to understand, where that goes....I don't see it being any kind of Abraham god though....Science will eventually find the key to what that's all about imo!

Maine coon lover wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


Then why cannot you not answer simple questions about your faith, if your faith is so strong?

Clearly your deity can see and know all if we are to believe the scriptures, thus how can anyone live their life, when it is already predetermined in advance?

How on earth do you expect others to be convinced of your faith and even convert, if you shy away from answering questions?

How long have you been debating the bible ?

Debating, no idea, not bothered to count, I have been studying theology for sometime though

Hebrews 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Hebrews 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Isaiah 43:25 I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.

Maine coon lover wrote:

feelthelove wrote:

That's not fair Maine, essentially you can be a serial killer and your God will offer forgiveness???? 

well I have posted this reply twice on two different threads .
I think you would want God to be fair and just .. right ? well he is , he doesn't see any sin any different from another and he wants everyone to come to repentance because he loves us all. If someone you knew was murderer and genuinely wanted to repent and felt so guilty for they had done and yet that sin couldn't be forgiven , but the guy next door who was a liar a thief an adulterer asked for forgiveness and was accepted , why would that be fair ? The level of guilt and shame is the same for any sin so all sins are forgiven .
If you were a murderer and genuinely asked God for forgiveness you would want him to accept it wouldn't you ?

...hey MCL, I hear what you say, but is God's love in your opinion so strong and stretches even to someone who has raped and murdered many children?

Maine coon lover wrote:
Hebrews 10:17  And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Hebrews 8:12   For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Isaiah 43:25 I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.

That you Dibs?    

PhilDidge wrote:

Maine coon lover wrote:

How long have you been debating the bible ?

Debating, no idea, not bothered to count, I have been studying theology for sometime though

That's the reason you haven't accepted it then , you don't want to accept it . If you did you wouldn't be doubting the word of God . You don't need to try and convert believers into becoming unbelievers it cant happen , once a person believes truly believes and has experienced the holy spirit they cannot turn back .

Maine coon lover wrote:
Hebrews 10:17  And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Hebrews 8:12   For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Isaiah 43:25 I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.

Mark 3:28-30: "Truly I tell you, people will be forgiven all their sins and all the blasphemies they utter. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, but is guilty of an eternal sin. He said this because they [the Pharisees] were saying, ‘He has an evil spirit’."

Matthew 12:30-32: "Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. And so I tell you, people will be forgiven every sin and blasphemy. But the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come."

Luke 12:8-10: "I tell you, whoever acknowledges me before men, the Son of Man will also acknowledge him before the angels of God. But he who disowns me before men will be disowned before the angels of God. And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven."

Hebrews 6:4-8: "It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is farmed receives the blessing of God. But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned. Even though we speak like this, dear friends, we are convinced of better things in your case — the things that have to do with salvation."

Hebrews 10:26-29: "For we, sinning wilfully after receiving the full knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and fiery zeal about to consume the enemies of God. Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think those deserve to be punished who have trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has considered as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who have insulted the Spirit of grace?"


You have just proved the bible contradicts itself

Maine coon lover wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


Debating, no idea, not bothered to count, I have been studying theology for sometime though

That's the reason you haven't accepted it then , you don't want to accept it . If you did you wouldn't be doubting the word of God . You don't need to try and convert believers into becoming unbelievers it cant happen , once a person believes truly believes and has experienced the holy spirit they cannot turn back .

I just showed the word you claim as God contradicts, thus the work of man, nothing more.

Jesus was a man and a good teacher, nothing more

PhilDidge wrote:

Maine coon lover wrote:

That's the reason you haven't accepted it then , you don't want to accept it . If you did you wouldn't be doubting the word of God . You don't need to try and convert believers into becoming unbelievers it cant happen , once a person believes truly believes and has experienced the holy spirit they cannot turn back .

I just showed the word you claim as God contradicts, thus the work of man, nothing more.

Jesus was a man and a good teacher, nothing more

More a Bernie Madoffif you ask me

Joy Division wrote:

Maine coon lover wrote:

well I have posted this reply twice on two different threads .
I think you would want God to be fair and just .. right ? well he is , he doesn't see any sin any different from another and he wants everyone to come to repentance because he loves us all. If someone you knew was murderer and genuinely wanted to repent and felt so guilty for they had done and yet that sin couldn't be forgiven , but the guy next door who was a liar a thief an adulterer asked for forgiveness and was accepted , why would that be fair ? The level of guilt and shame is the same for any sin so all sins are forgiven .
If you were a murderer and genuinely asked God for forgiveness you would want him to accept it wouldn't you ?

...hey MCL, I hear what you say, but is God's love in your opinion so strong and stretches even to someone who has raped and murdered many children?

It has to be JD , he promised to forgive every sin if a person truly repents. In the bible King David was an adulterer and a murderer , God forgave him . I really know what where your coming from because when little kids are murdered its beyond words why someone could do that , but if God is a fair and just God then he has to give everyone the chance to change their heart and to repent of their sin. To us we find it hard to forgive and forget but God forgives and he also forgets .

Maine coon lover wrote:

Joy Division wrote:


...hey MCL, I hear what you say, but is God's love in your opinion so strong and stretches even to someone who has raped and murdered many children?

It has to be JD , he promised to forgive every sin if a person truly repents. In the bible King David was an adulterer and a murderer , God forgave him . I really know what where your coming from because when little kids are murdered its beyond words why someone could do that , but if God is a fair and just God then he has to give everyone the chance to change their heart and to repent of their sin. To us we find it hard to forgive and forget but God forgives and he also forgets .

"No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, even the son of man." John 3:13

Maine coon lover wrote:

Joy Division wrote:


...hey MCL, I hear what you say, but is God's love in your opinion so strong and stretches even to someone who has raped and murdered many children?

It has to be JD , he promised to forgive every sin if a person truly repents. In the bible King David was an adulterer and a murderer , God forgave him . I really know what where your coming from because when little kids are murdered its beyond words why someone could do that , but if God is a fair and just God then he has to give everyone the chance to change their heart and to repent of their sin. To us we find it hard to forgive and forget but God forgives and he also forgets .

Thanks for explaining that MCL, your right though, murdering kids is awful and just like you I can't get my head around it...

It's not you who wrote the bible though, and even though I'm not religious,mi won't try to take it away from you

God will judge and he will judge fairly, if you have believed on Jesus as your Saviour you are saved, if you have not you will be judged according to your works, it is that simple.

So basically you can lead an appalling life and repent at the end and be saved and if leading a pious life are condemned, even when you have no knowledge of this deity.

The logic of Born again Christians, purely made up as it goes along

PhilDidge wrote:So basically you can lead an appalling life and repent at the end and be saved and if leading a pious life are condemned, even when you have no knowledge of this deity.

The logic of Born again Christians, purely made up as it goes along

it is biblical..to be saved you must simply believe on Jesus.

what do you mean about living a pious life?

heavenly father wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:So basically you can lead an appalling life and repent at the end and be saved and if leading a pious life are condemned, even when you have no knowledge of this deity.

The logic of Born again Christians, purely made up as it goes along

it is biblical..to be saved you must simply believe on Jesus.

what do you mean about living a pious life?

You don't know the meaning of pious, or righteous?

For example is Ghandi in Heaven?

He did not believe in Jesus as God did he?

PhilDidge wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

it is biblical..to be saved you must simply believe on Jesus.

what do you mean about living a pious life?

You don't know the meaning of pious, or righteous?

For example is Ghandi in Heaven?

He did not believe in Jesus as God did he?

how do you know his final decision...

what you or anyone else considers pious may not be as good as they think it is..

to chose Jesus is to chose to be with God, if you do not chose to be with God you won't be, so what is the problem.

Er Ghandi rejected the belief in Christianity, thus your deity, so are you now saying that you do not have to believe after all?

Are you saying Ghandi was not pious or righteous?

PhilDidge wrote:Er Ghandi rejected the belief in Christianity, thus your deity, so are you now saying that you do not have to believe after all?

Are you saying Ghandi was not pious or righteous?

again when he had a final decision to make how do you know how he answered.

pious by who's standards, was he better than hitler, yes by miles, was he as good as Jesus no not at all...

heavenly father wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:Er Ghandi rejected the belief in Christianity, thus your deity, so are you now saying that you do not have to believe after all?

Are you saying Ghandi was not pious or righteous?

again when he had a final decision to make how do you know how he answered.

pious by who's standards, was he better than hitler, yes by miles, was he as good as Jesus no not at all...

It is documented his last words, are you now saying your deity gives people a chance after they die?

If yes then your whole concept of faith is flawed, as there is no need to believe anything if you can change your mind after.

PhilDidge wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

again when he had a final decision to make how do you know how he answered.

pious by who's standards, was he better than hitler, yes by miles, was he as good as Jesus no not at all...

It is documented his last words, are you now saying your deity gives people a chance after they die?

If yes then your whole concept of faith is flawed, as there is no need to believe anything if you can change your mind after.

I said quite some time ago some believe passages about jonah imply you do get a chance as either you are dying or have actually died..

why would it negate faith you would still have to accept the message as truth.

heavenly father wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:

It is documented his last words, are you now saying your deity gives people a chance after they die?

If yes then your whole concept of faith is flawed, as there is no need to believe anything if you can change your mind after.

I said quite some time ago some believe passages about jonah imply you do get a chance as either you are dying or have actually died..

why would it negate faith you would still have to accept the message as truth.

It is flawed then if you then die and find there is a deity and then say you believe, defeats the object of having faith in him, as you only thus believe via proof.
The whole purpose is to have faith is it not?

PhilDidge wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

I said quite some time ago some believe passages about jonah imply you do get a chance as either you are dying or have actually died..

why would it negate faith you would still have to accept the message as truth.

It is flawed then if you then die and find there is a deity and then say you believe, defeats the object of having faith in him, as you only thus believe via proof.
The whole purpose is to have faith is it not?

the apostle Paul said for I am convinced, something seemed to move him beyond faith does that mean he stopped believing or he became more of a believer?

heavenly father wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


It is flawed then if you then die and find there is a deity and then say you believe, defeats the object of having faith in him, as you only thus believe via proof.
The whole purpose is to have faith is it not?

the apostle Paul said for I am convinced, something seemed to move him beyond  faith does that mean he stopped believing or he became more of a believer?

It is irrelevant, he shows and places faith in something he claimed to have seen, it is still faith, the fact is to not have to believe in life and can then believe after life negates the message left by Jesus

PhilDidge wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

the apostle Paul said for I am convinced, something seemed to move him beyond  faith does that mean he stopped believing or he became more of a believer?

It is irrelevant, he shows and places faith in something he claimed to have seen, it is still faith, the fact is to not have to believe in life and can then believe after life negates the message left by Jesus

no it does not at all, thomas saw jesus ressurected as did all the disciples did that negate their faith...or did it move them on to their own wonderful ministries..

That is faith again you place in someone else and do not forget Thomas according to the scriptures had to be shown proof. The fact is it negates his message if you can go through life not having to believe his message to then only after dying and then having proof believe.

NOW you see why the vikings enjoyed playing "twat the monk"....