Judgement day...

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Do you believe there will be a judgement day for each and every one of us?...

I mean with all this talk of gays and homophobia God is supposed to love everyone right?...

Amd if he can forgive rapists and murderers for their awful sins,then surely he can 'forgive' a person for being gay surely?

I see a few contradictions in the things folk write.

So are we all going to have our own judgement day and stand in front of God, before he decide ps wether or not we can enter heaven?

I think it's nonsense myself like,  but I do believe in spirits.

stardesk wrote:Veya, don't forget the Wagilack sisters, I believe they encouraged growth/life as they travelled across Australia.

Well well, I'm not surprised there was no comment on my piece above about humans eating grass. As said before, what few animals were on the Ark would have died of starvation. and the humans along with them, for there would have nothing to eat.

So you would question how an all powerful God could keep some animals and humans fed.... :D 

Oh please, HF, don't give me the old Mana from Heaven story. As it happens there is no mention of God providing food for them once off the Ark.

stardesk wrote:Oh please, HF, don't give me the old Mana from Heaven story. As it happens there is no mention of God providing food for them once off the Ark.

oh and God wouldn't have thought to supply enough for the voyage and for how ever long it took, lol notice it never mentions anyone in the bible going to the bathroom do yu suppose no one went to the loo in biblical days... :D 

heavenly father wrote:

stardesk wrote:Oh please, HF, don't give me the old Mana from Heaven story. As it happens there is no mention of God providing food for them once off the Ark.

oh and God wouldn't have thought to supply enough for the voyage and for how ever long it took, lol notice it never mentions anyone in the bible going to the bathroom do yu suppose no one went to the loo in biblical days... :D 

Of course, an all-powerful God could have just struck all the evil people instantly dead, instead of pursuing some pointless impossible flood scenario where he has to get kangaroos across oceans and back. Probably would have left many innocent new-born babies alive too, since at any given point in time, infants do exist, and only an asshole psycho could deem them so evil that they deserved death.

Maine coon lover wrote:

feelthelove wrote:

That's not fair Maine, essentially you can be a serial killer and your God will offer forgiveness???? 

well I have posted this reply twice on two different threads .
I think you would want God to be fair and just .. right ? well he is , he doesn't see any sin any different from another and he wants everyone to come to repentance because he loves us all. If someone you knew was murderer and genuinely wanted to repent and felt so guilty for they had done and yet that sin couldn't be forgiven , but the guy next door who was a liar a thief an adulterer asked for forgiveness and was accepted , why would that be fair ? The level of guilt and shame is the same for any sin so all sins are forgiven .
If you were a murderer and genuinely asked God for forgiveness you would want him to accept it wouldn't you ?

excellent post very well said...  

heavenly father wrote:

Maine coon lover wrote:

well I have posted this reply twice on two different threads .
I think you would want God to be fair and just .. right ? well he is , he doesn't see any sin any different from another and he wants everyone to come to repentance because he loves us all. If someone you knew was murderer and genuinely wanted to repent and felt so guilty for they had done and yet that sin couldn't be forgiven , but the guy next door who was a liar a thief an adulterer asked for forgiveness and was accepted , why would that be fair ? The level of guilt and shame is the same for any sin so all sins are forgiven .
If you were a murderer and genuinely asked God for forgiveness you would want him to accept it wouldn't you ?

excellent post very well said...  

@HF and Coon

SO you are saying that you will have to live and forgive your rapist/murderer in heaven if he asked God for forgiveness? I you are so capable of forgiving people and living around someone that literally raped and killed you, why all the anger against people that you one have to live 1 life time on the same planet as? You are happy to live for eternity with the man that raped and killed you   

veya_victaous wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

excellent post very well said...  

@HF and Coon

SO you are saying that you will have to live and forgive your rapist/murderer in heaven if he asked God for forgiveness?  I you are so capable of forgiving people and living around someone that literally raped and killed you, why all the anger against people that you one have to live 1 life time on the same planet as? You are happy to live for eternity with the man that raped and killed you   

God forgives everyone who accepts Jesus, we are all forgiven, God counts sin as sin not in degrees as we do, i will be happy my sins are forgiven ...  

heavenly father wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

@HF and Coon

SO you are saying that you will have to live and forgive your rapist/murderer in heaven if he asked God for forgiveness?  I you are so capable of forgiving people and living around someone that literally raped and killed you, why all the anger against people that you one have to live 1 life time on the same planet as? You are happy to live for eternity with the man that raped and killed you   

God forgives everyone who accepts Jesus, we are all forgiven, God counts sin as sin not in degrees as we do, i will be happy my sins are forgiven ...  

You didn't answer the question. IF you get murdered and your murderer accepts Jesus so God forgives him and he goes up to heaven with you.. how will you feel? this man not only murdered you he raped and killed your wife while you were forced to watch... but while getting dragged to prison he found Jesus. Now you spend eternity with him? because he has found and accepts Jesus?

veya_victaous wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

God forgives everyone who accepts Jesus, we are all forgiven, God counts sin as sin not in degrees as we do, i will be happy my sins are forgiven ...  

You didn't answer the question.  IF you get murdered and your murderer accepts Jesus so God forgives him and he goes up to heaven with you.. how will you feel? this man not only murdered you he raped and killed your wife while you were forced to watch... but while getting dragged to prison he found Jesus. Now you spend eternity with him? because he has found and accepts Jesus?

I'm fine with that he found forgiveness, heaven will be a place of peace, joy and no pain or hate...  

How many animals were on that Ark of Noah's Favva?

Joy Division wrote:How many animals were on that Ark of Noah's Favva?

dunno mate, i'm not old enough to have been there..  

heavenly father wrote:

Joy Division wrote:How many animals were on that Ark of Noah's Favva?

dunno mate, i'm not old enough to have been there..  

  

heavenly father wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

You didn't answer the question.  IF you get murdered and your murderer accepts Jesus so God forgives him and he goes up to heaven with you.. how will you feel? this man not only murdered you he raped and killed your wife while you were forced to watch... but while getting dragged to prison he found Jesus. Now you spend eternity with him? because he has found and accepts Jesus?

I'm fine with that he found forgiveness, heaven will be a place of peace, joy and no pain or hate...  

How can you be so sure? the only entry requirement according to you is to accept Jesus, plenty of assholes accept Jesus. Lets face it, if the church is anything to go by it is already to be half filled with kiddie fiddlers and Torture perverts with fetished about things going into anuses. ...        Oh shit, I just realized you may have a very different definition of peace and joy than me, and those things must be part of your defintion as they are so central to the churches leaders that ALL Accept and Love Jesus.

veya_victaous wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

I'm fine with that he found forgiveness, heaven will be a place of peace, joy and no pain or hate...  

How can you be so sure? the only entry requirement according to you is to accept Jesus, plenty of assholes accept Jesus.  Lets face it, if the church is anything to go by it is already to be half filled with kiddie fiddlers and Torture perverts with fetished about things going into anuses. ...         Oh shit, I just realized you may have a very different definition of peace and joy than me, and those things must be part of your defintion as they are so central to the churches leaders that ALL Accept and Love Jesus.

all sins are forgiven thats what the word says..  

heavenly father wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:



How can you be so sure? the only entry requirement according to you is to accept Jesus, plenty of assholes accept Jesus.  Lets face it, if the church is anything to go by it is already to be half filled with kiddie fiddlers and Torture perverts with fetished about things going into anuses. ...         Oh shit, I just realized you may have a very different definition of peace and joy than me, and those things must be part of your defintion as they are so central to the churches leaders that ALL Accept and Love Jesus.

all sins are forgiven thats what the word says..  

Forgiveness from one that is fine with kiddie fiddlers as long as they beleive in him is pretty worthless. Why would I want forgiveness for a Piece of Shit that condones People that Rape and kill little children for their own sexual gratifiction.  Face it your God is a Monster, Disgusting and Vile by the company he keeps. So you have no Problem with the Labour 3 and PIE since your God Accepts them with open arms. Satan cannot be any worse, your God already welcomes the greatest filth.

veya_victaous wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

all sins are forgiven thats what the word says..  

Forgiveness from one that is fine with kiddie fiddlers as long as they beleive in him is pretty worthless. Why would I want forgiveness for a Piece of Shit that condones People that Rape and kill little children for their own sexual gratifiction.  Face it your God is a Monster, Disgusting and Vile by the company he keeps. So you have no Problem with the Labour 3 and PIE since your God Accepts them with open arms. Satan cannot be any worse, your God already welcomes the greatest filth.

because you have sinned as well, the fact that you do not count yours as serious does not mean you are without sin.  

heavenly father wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Forgiveness from one that is fine with kiddie fiddlers as long as they beleive in him is pretty worthless. Why would I want forgiveness for a Piece of Shit that condones People that Rape and kill little children for their own sexual gratifiction.  Face it your God is a Monster, Disgusting and Vile by the company he keeps. So you have no Problem with the Labour 3 and PIE since your God Accepts them with open arms. Satan cannot be any worse, your God already welcomes the greatest filth.

because you have sinned as well, the fact that you do not count yours as serious does not mean you are without sin.  

LOLZ
I am a Blasphemous against your god so by his definition of sin I am way up there(far worse than Murders or Paedo's in his opinion) because I refuse to deny the truth.
But Why would I care what your newbie god thinks, he defines evil by the most ridiculously selfish manner, According to your god you are evil if you Don’t ask him for forgiveness if you don't believe in Jesus. It Doesn’t matter what sort of suffering you have created in Life You will be forgiven if you JUST BELIEVE IN HIM. The most Selfish demand I have ever heard you sure your god is not a teenage Girl, he acts like one.

That Anyone could be so morally depraved to worship such a selfish arrogant god… the only reason why you would is because you are a something like a paedo, that is the only reason why I could see you need that Piece of Shits good opinion or think it meant anything the Guy(god) thinks Paedos are cool If they worship him.
And For the Record Anyone that Condones Paedos is a Pieces of Shit like your God. If a Mortal Held the Opinion of Your god he would be amongst the vilest pieces of Shit on this Earth.

veya_victaous wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

because you have sinned as well, the fact that you do not count yours as serious does not mean you are without sin.  

LOLZ
I am a Blasphemous against your god so by his definition of sin I am way up there(far worse than Murders or Paedo's in his opinion) because I refuse to deny the truth.
But Why would I care what your newbie god thinks, he defines evil by the most ridiculously selfish manner, According to your god you are evil if you Don’t ask him for forgiveness if you don't believe in Jesus. It Doesn’t matter what sort of suffering you have created in Life You will be forgiven if you JUST BELIEVE IN HIM.  The most Selfish demand I have ever heard you sure your god is not a teenage Girl, he acts like one.

That Anyone could be so morally depraved to worship such a selfish arrogant god… the only reason why you would is because you are a something like a paedo, that is the only reason why I could see you need that Piece of Shits good opinion or think it meant anything the Guy(god) thinks Paedos are cool If they worship him.
And For the Record Anyone that Condones Paedos is a Pieces of Shit like your God. If a Mortal Held the Opinion of Your god he would be amongst the vilest pieces of Shit on this Earth.

on the contrary no sin is unforgivable if you believe and no sin is greater than any other ...  

veya_victaous wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

God forgives everyone who accepts Jesus, we are all forgiven, God counts sin as sin not in degrees as we do, i will be happy my sins are forgiven ...  

You didn't answer the question.  IF you get murdered and your murderer accepts Jesus so God forgives him and he goes up to heaven with you.. how will you feel? this man not only murdered you he raped and killed your wife while you were forced to watch... but while getting dragged to prison he found Jesus. Now you spend eternity with him? because he has found and accepts Jesus?

When we get to heaven nothing is remembered so i nor gigat would know who the murderer was as all sins are forgotten , if God remembers our sins no more then we certainly won't remember them either .

I guess none of us will know until we take our last breath.

We'll all be very surprised at the outcome. Atheists and Christians.

A continued journey.

harrymuffin wrote:I guess none of us will know until we take our last breath.

We'll all be very surprised at the outcome.  Atheists and Christians.

A continued journey.

..Harry, that's probably the only thing said on this thread which is true!!  

Joy Division wrote:

harrymuffin wrote:I guess none of us will know until we take our last breath.

We'll all be very surprised at the outcome.  Atheists and Christians.

A continued journey.

..Harry, that's probably the only thing said on this thread which is true!!  

  

Joy Division wrote:

harrymuffin wrote:I guess none of us will know until we take our last breath.

We'll all be very surprised at the outcome.  Atheists and Christians.

A continued journey.

..Harry, that's probably the only thing said on this thread which is true!!  

Because they'd both be wrong   

What's with the cloth Veya?

That is 'the Dreamtime', The Aboriginal Bible/Afterlife   

'Existence of pure energy, light and colour' would be a one of many possible western ways to describe it. The complete concept is too hard to fully put into words, Which is why they use pictures    Plus they are much harder to misquote and use for evil. But essentially a separate dimension which you are dis-formed and reformed in and then reincarnated back to life. Inter-species and interdimensional species may be involved Like I said very complex  ::alahoo:: ::alahoo:: ::alahoo::   ::alahoo:: ::alahoo:: ::alahoo::  

As I said, no one will know, til they take their last breath.

We can speculate, we can theorize. But no one will know for sure until they're dead.

There are those that have died and come back to tell stories of going to Hell or to Heaven. I find those quite interesting.

harrymuffin wrote:As I said,  no one will know,  til they take their last breath.

We can speculate,   we can theorize.  But no one will know for sure until they're dead.

There are those that have died and come back to tell stories of going to Hell or to Heaven.  I find those quite interesting.

Oddly It never happens to people that believe in Re-incarnation   

How does guest know gigat ?

veya_victaous wrote:That is 'the Dreamtime', The Aboriginal Bible/Afterlife   

'Existence of pure energy, light and colour' would be a one of many possible western ways to describe it. The complete concept is too hard to fully put into words, Which is why they use pictures    Plus they are much harder to misquote and use for evil. But essentially a separate dimension which you are dis-formed and reformed in and then reincarnated back to life. Inter-species and interdimensional species may be involved Like I said very complex   ::alahoo:: ::alahoo:: ::alahoo::   ::alahoo:: ::alahoo:: ::alahoo::  

...oh!..nice pattern though

gerber wrote:How does guest know gigat ?

Guest is Gigatt he left to his post became Guest