Winston McKenzi - Homo Comment

by Major Sat Jan 09, 2016 11:31 am

First topic message reminder :

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/big_brother/6849123/Celebrity-Big-Brother-2016-Winston-McKenzie-refuses-to-apologise-for-anti-gay-comments-as-Emma-Willis-goes-to-war.html

How many of us have said the same thing over the years??????

by Raggamuffin Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:10 pm

Didge wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I've seen him use a pic of a chap as an avatar, but I don't know if that was him or not. What does that have to do with it anyway? It was ages ago. Stormee probably wasn't a member then.

Well considering you have still not condemned his comments and the fact he decides to call someone a lady, supposedlly not knowing their gender, but immediatelly calls him a lady, you will forgive me if for one I believe he knows Eilzel is male and two quite frankly what you think is irrelevant when you do not condemn such homophobia

If he thought Les was female, why wouldn't he call him a lady? Stormee often refers to women as ladies.

by Guest Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:12 pm

Stormee wrote:I did not know Eilzel was a homo.

Why did he need to behave in such a nasty way?
Why did Didge need to jump in and be nasty?

This is your last chance the above is derogative and you know for a fact it is but are seeing how far you can push your luck. I do not vbelieve for one second you did not know he was homosexual

How have I been nasty when all I have done is point out where you have been vile and tries to warn you from sending yourself into the basement. If that is being nasty, then your whole perspective is wonky

by eddie Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:13 pm

Storm was being obtuse and we all know it.
If he wants to carry on doing rubbish then let him show himself up.

by Ben Reilly Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:18 pm

Stormee wrote:I cannot understand why anyone who is not a disgusting depraved pervert homo turd burglar themselves would support those who are.

First of all, watch the anti-gay slurs -- they're not allowed here.

Second of all, the reason good-hearted straight people defend gay people is that we believe that people have the fundamental right to pursue happiness, in whatever form that takes for them, as long as that pursuit doesn't harm others.

by Victorismyhero Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:20 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Stormee wrote:I cannot understand why anyone who is not a disgusting depraved pervert homo turd burglar themselves would support those who are.

First of all, watch the anti-gay slurs -- they're not allowed here.

Second of all, the reason good-hearted straight people defend gay people is that we believe that people have the fundamental right to pursue happiness, in whatever form that takes for them, as long as that pursuit doesn't harm others.

+1 have a

by Raggamuffin Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:22 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Stormee wrote:I cannot understand why anyone who is not a disgusting depraved pervert homo turd burglar themselves would support those who are.

First of all, watch the anti-gay slurs -- they're not allowed here.

Second of all, the reason good-hearted straight people defend gay people is that we believe that people have the fundamental right to pursue happiness, in whatever form that takes for them, as long as that pursuit doesn't harm others.

You did tell people to flaunt the rules though - to be fair.

by Major Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:30 pm

Didge wrote:
Stormee wrote:I cannot understand why anyone who is not a disgusting depraved pervert homo turd burglar themselves would support those who are.

I cannot understand why people would be so appalling disgustingly hateful just as you have been just because they are two conscenting adults in love, that practice the same sexual acts as hetrosexuals do.
So do you call hetrosexuals that have anal sex turd burglars?
Or depraved or disgusting?
It shows your complete level of immaturity, that you would hate people simply for being in love and go off sexul acts, of which hetrosexuals enjoy also.
The question that really needs asking is why you are so hateful for people being in consensual love.
That says to me only that people are bitter and hateful for unfounded reasons and are as backward as literal Islamic or christian believers
This is the 21st century, I suggest maybe you can find a tardis to take you back a few centuries where you can live among other backward people or in fact move to a Muslim hardline nation that also feels the same as you do on homosexuality, as I ma sure you will fit in nicely with such hateful views.

"Adults in love", my arse.

Go to Brighton and you will see they do it with any Tom, Dick and Abdul along the sea front

by Ben Reilly Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:32 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
Stormee wrote:I cannot understand why anyone who is not a disgusting depraved pervert homo turd burglar themselves would support those who are.

First of all, watch the anti-gay slurs -- they're not allowed here.

Second of all, the reason good-hearted straight people defend gay people is that we believe that people have the fundamental right to pursue happiness, in whatever form that takes for them, as long as that pursuit doesn't harm others.

You did tell people to flaunt the rules though - to be fair.

Yeah, I changed that back -- I figured before long, someone was going to go Scalia on that one. I just thought it would be sooner.

by Guest Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:33 pm

Stormee wrote:
Didge wrote:

I cannot understand why people would be so appalling disgustingly hateful just as you have been just because they are two conscenting adults in love, that practice the same sexual acts as hetrosexuals do.
So do you call hetrosexuals that have anal sex turd burglars?
Or depraved or disgusting?
It shows your complete level of immaturity, that you would hate people simply for being in love and go off sexul acts, of which hetrosexuals enjoy also.
The question that really needs asking is why you are so hateful for people being in consensual love.
That says to me only that people are bitter and hateful for unfounded reasons and are as backward as literal Islamic or christian believers
This is the 21st century, I suggest maybe you can find a tardis to take you back a few centuries where you can live among other backward people or in fact move to a Muslim hardline nation that also feels the same as you do on homosexuality, as I ma sure you will fit in nicely with such hateful views.

"Adults in love", my arse.

Go to Brighton and you will see they do it with any Tom, Dick and Abdul along the sea front

I am sure your arse is fine Stormie

Again you have issue with people in love, which says to me you then may have love issues, is that what this is really about and you have an insecurity issue?

by Ben Reilly Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:33 pm

Stormee wrote:
Didge wrote:
Stormee wrote:I cannot understand why anyone who is not a disgusting depraved pervert homo turd burglar themselves would support those who are.

I cannot understand why people would be so appalling disgustingly hateful just as you have been just because they are two conscenting adults in love, that practice the same sexual acts as hetrosexuals do.
So do you call hetrosexuals that have anal sex turd burglars?
Or depraved or disgusting?
It shows your complete level of immaturity, that you would hate people simply for being in love and go off sexul acts, of which hetrosexuals enjoy also.
The question that really needs asking is why you are so hateful for people being in consensual love.
That says to me only that people are bitter and hateful for unfounded reasons and are as backward as literal Islamic or christian believers
This is the 21st century, I suggest maybe you can find a tardis to take you back a few centuries where you can live among other backward people or in fact move to a Muslim hardline nation that also feels the same as you do on homosexuality, as I ma sure you will fit in nicely with such hateful views.

"Adults in love", my arse.

Go to Brighton and you will see they do it with any Tom, Dick and Abdul along the sea front

Lots of straight people are promiscuous, too. And lots of gay people are married.

by Victorismyhero Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:34 pm

I'm sure it scares you half to death stormee.... Rolling Eyes

you represent that side of the R/W that thoroughly sickens me..

by Victorismyhero Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:34 pm

the homophobe lives in the deepest fear that he may be........homosexual

by Raggamuffin Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:35 pm

How come nobody has accused Stormee of being a Christian yet? Surprised

by Ben Reilly Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:35 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:How come nobody has accused Stormee of being a Christian yet?

Maybe because I don't accept the premise that Christianity must include homophobia?

by Raggamuffin Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:36 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:How come nobody has accused Stormee of being a Christian yet?

Maybe because I don't accept the premise that Christianity must include homophobia?

Ah, but some people think that homophobia arises from Christianity.

by Guest Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:37 pm

Stormee wrote:
Didge wrote:

I cannot understand why people would be so appalling disgustingly hateful just as you have been just because they are two conscenting adults in love, that practice the same sexual acts as hetrosexuals do.
So do you call hetrosexuals that have anal sex turd burglars?
Or depraved or disgusting?
It shows your complete level of immaturity, that you would hate people simply for being in love and go off sexul acts, of which hetrosexuals enjoy also.
The question that really needs asking is why you are so hateful for people being in consensual love.
That says to me only that people are bitter and hateful for unfounded reasons and are as backward as literal Islamic or christian believers
This is the 21st century, I suggest maybe you can find a tardis to take you back a few centuries where you can live among other backward people or in fact move to a Muslim hardline nation that also feels the same as you do on homosexuality, as I ma sure you will fit in nicely with such hateful views.

"Adults in love", my arse.

Go to Brighton and you will see they do it with any Tom, Dick and Abdul along the sea front

You wonder why people are rude to you, and there is a perfect example of why. Tell me, do all straight people grow up, marry the girl next door and never have sex with anyone else? Do they never have affairs, never have children with girls they then leave, do girls never have multiple partners? Does everyone straight only ever have sex with one person in their life? You are a hateful little man, and your soul must be bent and twisted to hate people who don't love the same way you do. I wonder what you think about people who are born with ambiguous genitalia and literally don't know if they are girls or boys, your ignorance probably extends to thinking they brought it on themselves. Crawl back to your dung heap, share your views with the rest of the cockroaches, I think even they will turn their noses up at you.

by eddie Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:37 pm

Lord Foul wrote:the homophobe lives in the deepest fear that he may be........homosexual

Absolutely

by Ben Reilly Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:38 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:How come nobody has accused Stormee of being a Christian yet?

Maybe because I don't accept the premise that Christianity must include homophobia?

Ah, but some people think that homophobia arises from Christianity.

I think that things like homophobia, racism and war are often excused as expressions of faith, but I think if religion didn't exist, people would find other reasons to excuse such things.

by Major Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:44 pm

The homosexual is the one offending, not I.
He is offending mankind, humanity.
He is offending decent normal men.
He is offending nature
He is offending God.

Spose none of that matters.

HOW DOES ANYONE ON FORUMS KNOW WHO IS WHO AND WHAT THEIR PREFERENCES REALLY ARE?

How does anyone on forums KNOW FOR SURE who is telling the truth and who is lying?

Their are trolls on all forums.

by Guest Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:46 pm

Stormee wrote:The homosexual is the one offending, not I.
He is offending mankind, humanity.
He is offending decent normal men.
He is offending nature
He is offending God.

Spose none of that matters.

HOW DOES ANYONE ON FORUMS KNOW WHO IS WHO AND WHAT THEIR PREFERENCES REALLY ARE?

How does anyone on forums KNOW FOR SURE who is telling the truth and who is lying?

Their are trolls on all forums.

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by Guest Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:49 pm

Stormee wrote:The homosexual is the one offending, not I.
He is offending mankind, humanity.
He is offending decent normal men.
He is offending nature
He is offending God.

Spose none of that matters.

HOW DOES ANYONE ON FORUMS KNOW WHO IS WHO AND WHAT THEIR PREFERENCES REALLY ARE?

How does anyone on forums KNOW FOR SURE who is telling the truth and who is lying?

Their are trolls on all forums.

Well I have met Les and a nicer guy you couldn't wish to meet.

However, I'd cross the road to avoid you.

by Victorismyhero Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:50 pm

Stormee wrote:The homosexual is the one offending, not I.
He is offending mankind, humanity. (HOW...explain)
He is offending decent normal men.(HOW...explain)
He is offending nature(HOW...explain)
He is offending God. now i know you are an idiot

Spose none of that matters.

you are quite right...not only does it not matter...its totally irelevant

HOW DOES ANYONE ON FORUMS KNOW WHO IS WHO AND WHAT THEIR PREFERENCES REALLY ARE?

whats it got to do with YOU...?

How does anyone on forums KNOW FOR SURE who is telling the truth and who is lying?

Their are trolls on all forums.

by eddie Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:50 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:How come nobody has accused Stormee of being a Christian yet?

Maybe because I don't accept the premise that Christianity must include homophobia?

Ah, but some people think that homophobia arises from Christianity.

I think that things like homophobia, racism and war are often excused as expressions of faith, but I think if religion didn't exist, people would find other reasons to excuse such things.

Completely agree.

by veya_victaous Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:06 pm

Stormee wrote:The homosexual is the one offending, not I.
He is offending mankind, humanity.
He is offending decent normal men.
He is offending nature
He is offending God.

Spose none of that matters.

HOW DOES ANYONE ON FORUMS KNOW WHO IS WHO AND WHAT THEIR PREFERENCES REALLY ARE?

How does anyone on forums KNOW FOR SURE who is telling the truth and who is lying?

Their are trolls on all forums.

You are Offensive to ALL GOOD PEOPLE Neutral

in this i am not trolling.

you are not decent and the fear and cowardice you promote means you can scarcely call yourself a man,
So how on earth would you have the slightest Clue What Offends Decent Normal Men?
you are offended but that just means it offends cowardly fools.

by Major Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:10 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Stormee wrote:The homosexual is the one offending, not I.
He is offending mankind, humanity.
He is offending decent normal men.
He is offending nature
He is offending God.

Spose none of that matters.

HOW DOES ANYONE ON FORUMS KNOW WHO IS WHO AND WHAT THEIR PREFERENCES REALLY ARE?

How does anyone on forums KNOW FOR SURE who is telling the truth and who is lying?

Their are trolls on all forums.

You are Offensive to ALL GOOD PEOPLE
in this i am not trolling.

you are not decent and the fear and cowardice you promote means you can scarcely call yourself a man,
So how on earth would you have the slightest Clue What Offends Decent Normal Men?
you are offended but that just means it offends cowardly fools.

More insults, personal attacks.

by Victorismyhero Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:14 pm

Lord Foul wrote:
Stormee wrote:The homosexual is the one offending, not I.
He is offending mankind, humanity. (HOW...explain)
He is offending decent normal men.(HOW...explain)
He is offending nature(HOW...explain)
He is offending God. now i know you are an idiot

Spose none of that matters.

you are quite right...not only does it not matter...its totally irelevant

HOW DOES ANYONE ON FORUMS KNOW WHO IS WHO AND WHAT THEIR PREFERENCES REALLY ARE?

whats it got to do with YOU...?

How does anyone on forums KNOW FOR SURE who is telling the truth and who is lying?

Their are trolls on all forums.

I take your failure to answer as inability to answer, and thus assume that you are simply irrational and simple minded

by Raggamuffin Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:16 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Stormee wrote:The homosexual is the one offending, not I.
He is offending mankind, humanity.
He is offending decent normal men.
He is offending nature
He is offending God.

Spose none of that matters.

HOW DOES ANYONE ON FORUMS KNOW WHO IS WHO AND WHAT THEIR PREFERENCES REALLY ARE?

How does anyone on forums KNOW FOR SURE who is telling the truth and who is lying?

Their are trolls on all forums.

You are Offensive to ALL GOOD PEOPLE
in this i am not trolling.

you are not decent and the fear and cowardice you promote means you can scarcely call yourself a man,
So how on earth would you have the slightest Clue What Offends Decent Normal Men?
you are offended but that just means it offends cowardly fools.

You're trolling again. You're not a good person so get off your high horse.

by Guest Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:17 pm

Stormee wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:

You are Offensive to ALL GOOD PEOPLE
in this i am not trolling.

you are not decent and the fear and cowardice you promote means you can scarcely call yourself a man,
So how on earth would you have the slightest Clue What Offends Decent Normal Men?
you are offended but that just means it offends cowardly fools.

More insults, personal attacks.

Not that any insulting is ever right, but have you ever stopped to consider that you are being insulting with some of your views? Maybe learn from that and then people might not personally attack you when you make such appalling baclward comments

Agaij just some advice

by Irn Bru Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:11 pm

Didge wrote:Here is the telling point:

Derby County fans chanting at the Brighton and Hove Albion fans.

Again there is victims here specifically and again some people fail to grasp the law

No Didge, It's you that doesn't understand the law. You have been huffing and puffing around this for the past day day or so claming I was wrong in stating that the law covers 'groups' of people countering by claiming it has to be about a spedific individual. It doesn't and the post you have replied to is evidence of this so you have tripped yourself up. The law covers 'groups' just like I said all along and you have been told right from the start..

by Guest Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:17 pm

Didge wrote:
Didge wrote:

You're wrong as it can me against a group not just a person.

No I am not wrong at all, as show me the criminal law broken for making a view point, made in a conversation, not specifiic at a person?In none of your cases in the CPS report were at homosexuals as a groups they were at specific victms.This is your problem, you jump in trying to defend peopple because of your warped obsession with me failing to understand the law and not only that cannot find one single case that has a person convicted for homophobic hate for a point of view non specific. So not matter how much you keep saying I am wrong, nothing and no evidence backs your claim what so ever. The very fact you accused me wrongly of trying to defend him but not lay the same claim onto either Eddie or Eilzel, when no such charge has been brought against him except from a poster was also poor and absurd showong the true level of your obsession of hate you have for me. When I defend against homophobia all the time. The very fact you tried to deflect claiming something I never did, when there has never been a charge against him, shows again how you make it a pathetic childish personal vendetta. Nobody has also said it cannot be more than one person, where a group of people are the target of hate but it has to be directly levelled at them specifically, the point you fail to grasp. With a hate crime there has to be a victim or victims.This was dealt with earlier which shows you did not even have the decency to even read the thread, because Korben placed up cases liker the one with the cabin crew, but there again the hate was directed specifically at them. It astounds me how you are more desperate to prove me wrong than recognise that you are wrong.

I am absolutely bored to death with your pathetic little grudge that you seem incapble of moving on from. Even Victor could not prove his point. The law maybe a grey area, but no CPS would even entertain such a charge for a point of view, as they would come under so much flak for their stupidity, being laughed out of court by the judge, but it would also set a precedent for them millions to be prosecuted for having views not directed at a person or people specifically. That is what is so annoying, that again people have to waste time going over things already debated on here and all because you hold some lame pathetic childish grudge. This is what the regressive left stand for, hate and are no better than the far right, as both are bigoted and treat those not of their views with the most vile hateful distain.

I mean this is how absurd your view is:

Are you telling me a vile person at work who says to a work mate, which is overheard and reported to HR, that Homosexuals are child abusers raising children, will be arrested that HR will call the Police and then be prosecuted?

Ae you telling me where someone overhears a vile person in a pub say, that Homosexuals are child abusers raising children, that the Police will attend to arrest him after a 999 call is placed for making this comment?

Seriously are you going to go on record here and say that they have committed a hate crime?

Now again I suggest you put up or shut up on the following.

Last chance

So again show me any case where someone has been convicted for homophobic hate crime for having a point of view, said ina conversation, not specific to any one person?

One last chance Irn

by Irn Bru Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:32 pm

Have you changed your stance since what you were saying earlier then?

Here's a reminder...

Winston McKenzi - Homo Comment - Page 6 Mckenz14

Winston McKenzi - Homo Comment - Page 6 Mckenz15

And your response to Victor....

Winston McKenzi - Homo Comment - Page 6 Mckenz16

So why were you saying I was wrong when I clearly was right?

by Guest Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:38 pm

None of my questions answered

You had your chance and I am not playing your silly circular games anymore

You could not provbide the evidence for a single case or answer my points on people making views

Sorry chum, you had your chance and you utterly failed

Like Eizel and eddie have said, he is a vile disgusting creeature that should have been told this, but he has not committed any crime, hence why he has not even been spoken to by the Police or anyone making a charge against him. So I have not changed any stance. As again the above is specific to a person which you highlight and like I said there is no victim or victims here

Anyhow, why I am not surpirsed you would completely avoid my points and questions.

Game over

by Guest Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:40 pm

So you deny your own posts when you said it had to be directed against A PERSON then. You gonna change your name again to be disassociated from them?

by Guest Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:43 pm

I suggest you read back sassy at what many times i have said, where in each case I actually said many times persons.
Anyhow this wis what the pair of you two do, labour over something insignificant and fail to back up your case here.
If you want to go over a word I have said, good luck to you, it still does not make this case a hate crime

by Irn Bru Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:44 pm

Didge wrote:None of my questions answered

You had your chance and I am not playing your silly circular games anymore

You could not provbide the evidence for a single case or answer my points on people making views

Sorry chum, you had your chance and you utterly failed

Like Eizel and eddie have said, he is a vile disgusting creeature that should have been told this, but he has not committed any crime, hence why he has not even been spoken to by the Police or anyone making a charge against him. So I have not changed any stance. As again the above is specific to a person which you highlight and like I said there is no victim or victims here

Anyhow, why I am not surpirsed you would completely avoid my points and questions.

Game over

You have to take ownership of what you were saying at the start. And the rest of what you have been posting since then has been nothing but flannel and inconsistent mumbo-jumbo made up as you went along.

The law is about 'groups' just like I had said and KD had said right at the start but you said it was wrong - it wasn't and the law is quite clear on that.

You should have listened or at least gone and looked it up.

You'll learn.

by Guest Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:45 pm

Put these three words into a sentence Irn that best describe your debating on this thread.

Straws clutching at.

by Irn Bru Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:46 pm

Didge wrote:I suggest you read back sassy at what many times i have said, where in each case I actually said many times persons.
Anyhow this wis what the pair of you two do, labour over something insignificant and fail to back up your case here.
If you want to go over a word I have said, good luck to you, it still does not make this case a hate crime

Holy shit. The law of the land is insignificant now ie it?

by Guest Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:49 pm

Irn Bru wrote:
Didge wrote:I suggest you read back sassy at what many times i have said, where in each case I actually said many times persons.
Anyhow this wis what the pair of you two do, labour over something insignificant and fail to back up your case here.
If you want to go over a word I have said, good luck to you, it still does not make this case a hate crime

Holy shit. The law of the land is insignificant now ie it?

Really, where did I say that?

The problem is you do not understand the law

Again rearrange these 3 words that best describe you

Clutching straws at

by Irn Bru Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:54 pm

Didge wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:
Didge wrote:I suggest you read back sassy at what many times i have said, where in each case I actually said many times persons.
Anyhow this wis what the pair of you two do, labour over something insignificant and fail to back up your case here.
If you want to go over a word I have said, good luck to you, it still does not make this case a hate crime

Holy shit. The law of the land is insignificant now ie it?

Really, where did I say that?

The problem is you do not understand the law

Again rearrange these 3 words that best describe you

Clutching straws at

Your words....

Anyhow this wis what the pair of you two do, labour over something insignificant and fail to back up your case here.

Pointing out it is 'groups' is not insignificant - it's fundamental in the law itself.

by Guest Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:59 pm

Yes you labour over an insignificant point where you pick up on one post and miss where I have said in other a person and persons. Hence what you are doing is decietful Irn and dishonest picking up on a single poingt in an entire debate missing many of the other points. hence why it is insiginificant
Now you are so desperate you have gone so far off the actual debate its about things I have said

That is clutching at straws

Not only that, it shows how childish you are, because you fail to address any of my points and have gone off something proving you have not read thougfh this debate

Seriously I am now laughing at you at how really pathetic your attempts are here

You want to debate, go back and take on my quesyions, if not run along and play with your toys, because your childishness is a tedious

by Guest Thu Jan 14, 2016 12:04 am

Didge wrote:
korban dallas wrote:
A homophobic hate crime is:

“Any criminal offence which is perceived, by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by a hostility or prejudice based on a person’s sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation.”

so not sure your right about that

There is no victim here:
a hostility or prejudice based on a person’s sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation.”

One of my very first posts on this debate, proving how dishonest Irn is

by Guest Thu Jan 14, 2016 12:09 am

Didge wrote:
Didge wrote:

There is no victim here:
a hostility or prejudice based on a person’s sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation.”

One of my very first posts on this debate, proving how dishonest Irn is

by Irn Bru Thu Jan 14, 2016 12:11 am

Didge wrote:Yes you labour over an insignificant point where you pick up on one post and miss where I have said in other a person and persons. Hence what you are doing is decietful Irn and dishonest picking up on a single poingt in an entire debate missing many of the other points. hence why it is insiginificant
Now you are so desperate you have gone so far off the actual debate its about things I have said

That is clutching at straws

Not only that, it shows how childish you are, because you fail to address any of my points and have gone off something proving you have not read thougfh this debate

Seriously I am now laughing at you at how really pathetic your attempts are here

You want to debate, go back and take on my quesyions, if not run along and play with your toys, because your childishness is a tedious

I wasn't just one post it was several and that was the theme of your argument all along. You consistently stated I was wrong in what I was stating when I wasn't.

Here's the actual amendment laid out in precise detail clearly stating it relates to groups based on....

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2008/4/part/5/crossheading/hatred-on-the-grounds-of-sexual-orientation

(hatred against persons on religious grounds) to make provision about hatred against a group of persons defined by reference to sexual orientation,

That amendment and the source was quoted by me on this very thread and is what I stated all along. You should have looked it up before claiming I was wrong.

by Guest Thu Jan 14, 2016 12:14 am

See my previous post which was on the first page

Which means you fundementally lied

I shall await your apology on bended knees irn

This is what happens when you have a pathetic vendetta against a person you get so wrapped up in your hate you fail to read a thread.

Again this is your only point now, but I am happy for you to at least try again on my points

Like I say talk about clutching at staws

No I am not wrong at all, as show me the criminal law broken for making a view point, made in a conversation, not specifiic at a person?In none of your cases in the CPS report were at homosexuals as a groups they were at specific victms.This is your problem, you jump in trying to defend peopple because of your warped obsession with me failing to understand the law and not only that cannot find one single case that has a person convicted for homophobic hate for a point of view non specific. So not matter how much you keep saying I am wrong, nothing and no evidence backs your claim what so ever. The very fact you accused me wrongly of trying to defend him but not lay the same claim onto either Eddie or Eilzel, when no such charge has been brought against him except from a poster was also poor and absurd showong the true level of your obsession of hate you have for me. When I defend against homophobia all the time. The very fact you tried to deflect claiming something I never did, when there has never been a charge against him, shows again how you make it a pathetic childish personal vendetta. Nobody has also said it cannot be more than one person, where a group of people are the target of hate but it has to be directly levelled at them specifically, the point you fail to grasp. With a hate crime there has to be a victim or victims.This was dealt with earlier which shows you did not even have the decency to even read the thread, because Korben placed up cases liker the one with the cabin crew, but there again the hate was directed specifically at them. It astounds me how you are more desperate to prove me wrong than recognise that you are wrong.

I am absolutely bored to death with your pathetic little grudge that you seem incapble of moving on from. Even Victor could not prove his point. The law maybe a grey area, but no CPS would even entertain such a charge for a point of view, as they would come under so much flak for their stupidity, being laughed out of court by the judge, but it would also set a precedent for them millions to be prosecuted for having views not directed at a person or people specifically. That is what is so annoying, that again people have to waste time going over things already debated on here and all because you hold some lame pathetic childish grudge. This is what the regressive left stand for, hate and are no better than the far right, as both are bigoted and treat those not of their views with the most vile hateful distain.

I mean this is how absurd your view is:

Are you telling me a vile person at work who says to a work mate, which is overheard and reported to HR, that Homosexuals are child abusers raising children, will be arrested that HR will call the Police and then be prosecuted?

Ae you telling me where someone overhears a vile person in a pub say, that Homosexuals are child abusers raising children, that the Police will attend to arrest him after a 999 call is placed for making this comment?

Seriously are you going to go on record here and say that they have committed a hate crime?

Now again I suggest you put up or shut up on the following.

Last chance

So again show me any case where someone has been convicted for homophobic hate crime for having a point of view, said ina conversation, not specific to any one person?

by Irn Bru Thu Jan 14, 2016 12:19 am

Your words

Nobody has also said it cannot be more than one person

You said it it was about just a person, not a group and you made that view clear more than once. If you've changed your mind then I was right in what I said and you were wrong to say that I was wrong. You can't have it both ways

I've given you the law as stated and it's perfectly clear now isn't it?

by Guest Thu Jan 14, 2016 12:20 am

Didge wrote:lol in all cases directed at people.

Thanks for again proving my point

homophobic abuse against Gatwick cabin crew

homophobic Twitter messages sent to food columnist Jack Monroe

A football fan who hurled homophobic abuse at supporters leaving a match has accepted a caution after answering bail.

Every single case you presented backs what I have said lol

That is what happens when as seen you allowed yourself to get upset over your own failings here

From the second page

by Guest Thu Jan 14, 2016 12:21 am

Irn Bru wrote:Your words

Nobody has also said it cannot be more than one person

You said it it was about just a person, not a group and you made that view clear more than once. If you've changed your mind then I was right in what I said and you were wrong to say that I was wrong. You can't have it both ways

I've given you the law as stated and it's perfectly clear now isn't it?

Wrong and lying again, which is all you are now going off, again

answer the questions, why are you stalling Irn, is it because you have no case here lol

You see no matter how the pair of you are so bitter and hateful, I am still able to get past your infantile games

No I am not wrong at all, as show me the criminal law broken for making a view point, made in a conversation, not specifiic at a person?In none of your cases in the CPS report were at homosexuals as a groups they were at specific victms.This is your problem, you jump in trying to defend peopple because of your warped obsession with me failing to understand the law and not only that cannot find one single case that has a person convicted for homophobic hate for a point of view non specific. So not matter how much you keep saying I am wrong, nothing and no evidence backs your claim what so ever. The very fact you accused me wrongly of trying to defend him but not lay the same claim onto either Eddie or Eilzel, when no such charge has been brought against him except from a poster was also poor and absurd showong the true level of your obsession of hate you have for me. When I defend against homophobia all the time. The very fact you tried to deflect claiming something I never did, when there has never been a charge against him, shows again how you make it a pathetic childish personal vendetta. Nobody has also said it cannot be more than one person, where a group of people are the target of hate but it has to be directly levelled at them specifically, the point you fail to grasp. With a hate crime there has to be a victim or victims.This was dealt with earlier which shows you did not even have the decency to even read the thread, because Korben placed up cases liker the one with the cabin crew, but there again the hate was directed specifically at them. It astounds me how you are more desperate to prove me wrong than recognise that you are wrong.

I am absolutely bored to death with your pathetic little grudge that you seem incapble of moving on from. Even Victor could not prove his point. The law maybe a grey area, but no CPS would even entertain such a charge for a point of view, as they would come under so much flak for their stupidity, being laughed out of court by the judge, but it would also set a precedent for them millions to be prosecuted for having views not directed at a person or people specifically. That is what is so annoying, that again people have to waste time going over things already debated on here and all because you hold some lame pathetic childish grudge. This is what the regressive left stand for, hate and are no better than the far right, as both are bigoted and treat those not of their views with the most vile hateful distain.

I mean this is how absurd your view is:

Are you telling me a vile person at work who says to a work mate, which is overheard and reported to HR, that Homosexuals are child abusers raising children, will be arrested that HR will call the Police and then be prosecuted?

Ae you telling me where someone overhears a vile person in a pub say, that Homosexuals are child abusers raising children, that the Police will attend to arrest him after a 999 call is placed for making this comment?

Seriously are you going to go on record here and say that they have committed a hate crime?

Now again I suggest you put up or shut up on the following.

Last chance

So again show me any case where someone has been convicted for homophobic hate crime for having a point of view, said ina conversation, not specific to any one person?

by Irn Bru Thu Jan 14, 2016 12:28 am

Didge wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:Your words

Nobody has also said it cannot be more than one person

You said it it was about just a person, not a group and you made that view clear more than once. If you've changed your mind then I was right in what I said and you were wrong to say that I was wrong. You can't have it both ways

I've given you the law as stated and it's perfectly clear now isn't it?

Wrong and lying again, which is all you are now going off, again

answer the questions, why are you stalling Irn, is it because you have no case here lol

You see no matter how the pair of you are so bitter and hateful, I am still able to get past your infantile games

No I am not wrong at all, as show me the criminal law broken for making a view point, made in a conversation, not specifiic at a person?In none of your cases in the CPS report were at homosexuals as a groups they were at specific victms.This is your problem, you jump in trying to defend peopple because of your warped obsession with me failing to understand the law and not only that cannot find one single case that has a person convicted for homophobic hate for a point of view non specific. So not matter how much you keep saying I am wrong, nothing and no evidence backs your claim what so ever. The very fact you accused me wrongly of trying to defend him but not lay the same claim onto either Eddie or Eilzel, when no such charge has been brought against him except from a poster was also poor and absurd showong the true level of your obsession of hate you have for me. When I defend against homophobia all the time. The very fact you tried to deflect claiming something I never did, when there has never been a charge against him, shows again how you make it a pathetic childish personal vendetta. Nobody has also said it cannot be more than one person, where a group of people are the target of hate but it has to be directly levelled at them specifically, the point you fail to grasp. With a hate crime there has to be a victim or victims.This was dealt with earlier which shows you did not even have the decency to even read the thread, because Korben placed up cases liker the one with the cabin crew, but there again the hate was directed specifically at them. It astounds me how you are more desperate to prove me wrong than recognise that you are wrong.

I am absolutely bored to death with your pathetic little grudge that you seem incapble of moving on from. Even Victor could not prove his point. The law maybe a grey area, but no CPS would even entertain such a charge for a point of view, as they would come under so much flak for their stupidity, being laughed out of court by the judge, but it would also set a precedent for them millions to be prosecuted for having views not directed at a person or people specifically. That is what is so annoying, that again people have to waste time going over things already debated on here and all because you hold some lame pathetic childish grudge. This is what the regressive left stand for, hate and are no better than the far right, as both are bigoted and treat those not of their views with the most vile hateful distain.

I mean this is how absurd your view is:

Are you telling me a vile person at work who says to a work mate, which is overheard and reported to HR, that Homosexuals are child abusers raising children, will be arrested that HR will call the Police and then be prosecuted?

Ae you telling me where someone overhears a vile person in a pub say, that Homosexuals are child abusers raising children, that the Police will attend to arrest him after a 999 call is placed for making this comment?

Seriously are you going to go on record here and say that they have committed a hate crime?

Now again I suggest you put up or shut up on the following.

Last chance

So again show me any case where someone has been convicted for homophobic hate crime for having a point of view, said ina conversation, not specific to any one person?

I'm not lying and the words I quoted are exactly waht you said. And I looked up your first post just like you asked and here's what you said...

Its not a hate crime when not directed at anyone

So you are clearly saying it has to be directed at someone specific and not a group....correct?

So prove where I was wrong. You can't because the law is clear that it covers 'groups' of people

by Guest Thu Jan 14, 2016 12:32 am

Irn Bru wrote:
Didge wrote:

Wrong and lying again, which is all you are now going off, again

answer the questions, why are you stalling Irn, is it because you have no case here lol

You see no matter how the pair of you are so bitter and hateful, I am still able to get past your infantile games

No I am not wrong at all, as show me the criminal law broken for making a view point, made in a conversation, not specifiic at a person?In none of your cases in the CPS report were at homosexuals as a groups they were at specific victms.This is your problem, you jump in trying to defend peopple because of your warped obsession with me failing to understand the law and not only that cannot find one single case that has a person convicted for homophobic hate for a point of view non specific. So not matter how much you keep saying I am wrong, nothing and no evidence backs your claim what so ever. The very fact you accused me wrongly of trying to defend him but not lay the same claim onto either Eddie or Eilzel, when no such charge has been brought against him except from a poster was also poor and absurd showong the true level of your obsession of hate you have for me. When I defend against homophobia all the time. The very fact you tried to deflect claiming something I never did, when there has never been a charge against him, shows again how you make it a pathetic childish personal vendetta. Nobody has also said it cannot be more than one person, where a group of people are the target of hate but it has to be directly levelled at them specifically, the point you fail to grasp. With a hate crime there has to be a victim or victims.This was dealt with earlier which shows you did not even have the decency to even read the thread, because Korben placed up cases liker the one with the cabin crew, but there again the hate was directed specifically at them. It astounds me how you are more desperate to prove me wrong than recognise that you are wrong.

I am absolutely bored to death with your pathetic little grudge that you seem incapble of moving on from. Even Victor could not prove his point. The law maybe a grey area, but no CPS would even entertain such a charge for a point of view, as they would come under so much flak for their stupidity, being laughed out of court by the judge, but it would also set a precedent for them millions to be prosecuted for having views not directed at a person or people specifically. That is what is so annoying, that again people have to waste time going over things already debated on here and all because you hold some lame pathetic childish grudge. This is what the regressive left stand for, hate and are no better than the far right, as both are bigoted and treat those not of their views with the most vile hateful distain.

I mean this is how absurd your view is:

Are you telling me a vile person at work who says to a work mate, which is overheard and reported to HR, that Homosexuals are child abusers raising children, will be arrested that HR will call the Police and then be prosecuted?

Ae you telling me where someone overhears a vile person in a pub say, that Homosexuals are child abusers raising children, that the Police will attend to arrest him after a 999 call is placed for making this comment?

Seriously are you going to go on record here and say that they have committed a hate crime?

Now again I suggest you put up or shut up on the following.

Last chance

So again show me any case where someone has been convicted for homophobic hate crime for having a point of view, said ina conversation, not specific to any one person?

I'm not lying and the words I quoted are exactly waht you said. And I looked up your first post just like you asked and here's what you said...

Its not a hate crime when not directed at anyone

So you are clearly saying it has to be directed at someone specific and not a group....correct?

So prove where I was wrong. You can't because the law is clear that it covers 'groups' of people

Then you should be able to answer my questions

So what is stopping you?

You need to get off your stuck record on person and persons because I have clrified this for you and it shgows you are stalling looking to get out of answering my points
So again I have clarified there has to be a victim or victims specifically
There I have clarified this again for tyou

Now stop being silly and answer the questions

No I am not wrong at all, as show me the criminal law broken for making a view point, made in a conversation, not specifiic at a person?In none of your cases in the CPS report were at homosexuals as a groups they were at specific victms.This is your problem, you jump in trying to defend peopple because of your warped obsession with me failing to understand the law and not only that cannot find one single case that has a person convicted for homophobic hate for a point of view non specific. So not matter how much you keep saying I am wrong, nothing and no evidence backs your claim what so ever. The very fact you accused me wrongly of trying to defend him but not lay the same claim onto either Eddie or Eilzel, when no such charge has been brought against him except from a poster was also poor and absurd showong the true level of your obsession of hate you have for me. When I defend against homophobia all the time. The very fact you tried to deflect claiming something I never did, when there has never been a charge against him, shows again how you make it a pathetic childish personal vendetta. Nobody has also said it cannot be more than one person, where a group of people are the target of hate but it has to be directly levelled at them specifically, the point you fail to grasp. With a hate crime there has to be a victim or victims.This was dealt with earlier which shows you did not even have the decency to even read the thread, because Korben placed up cases liker the one with the cabin crew, but there again the hate was directed specifically at them. It astounds me how you are more desperate to prove me wrong than recognise that you are wrong.

I am absolutely bored to death with your pathetic little grudge that you seem incapble of moving on from. Even Victor could not prove his point. The law maybe a grey area, but no CPS would even entertain such a charge for a point of view, as they would come under so much flak for their stupidity, being laughed out of court by the judge, but it would also set a precedent for them millions to be prosecuted for having views not directed at a person or people specifically. That is what is so annoying, that again people have to waste time going over things already debated on here and all because you hold some lame pathetic childish grudge. This is what the regressive left stand for, hate and are no better than the far right, as both are bigoted and treat those not of their views with the most vile hateful distain.

I mean this is how absurd your view is:

Are you telling me a vile person at work who says to a work mate, which is overheard and reported to HR, that Homosexuals are child abusers raising children, will be arrested that HR will call the Police and then be prosecuted?

Ae you telling me where someone overhears a vile person in a pub say, that Homosexuals are child abusers raising children, that the Police will attend to arrest him after a 999 call is placed for making this comment?

Seriously are you going to go on record here and say that they have committed a hate crime?

Now again I suggest you put up or shut up on the following.

Last chance

So again show me any case where someone has been convicted for homophobic hate crime for having a point of view, said ina conversation, not specific to any one person?

by Irn Bru Thu Jan 14, 2016 12:54 am

This overall debate is about whether it would only be a hate crime if it was directed at a specific person as you were claiming which is wrong and I've showed you the law that supports that it is wrong.

After all the flaneling about that you have indulged throughout this thread you're now trying to reduce the whole thing down to a single case to in somehow prove that because as far as you know there has not been a conviction for something said in a conversation proves the law is only relevant in respect of a disgusting homophobic comment made to a person and not a 'group'.

You're wrong and you have always been wrong in saying it is only a hate crime if it is directed at a person.

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