4 out of 5 refugees not syrian????

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Four out of five migrants are NOT from Syria: EU figures expose the 'lie' that the majority of refugees are fleeing war zone
Some 44,000 of the 213,000 refugees who arrived in Europe were from Syria
A further 27,000 new arrivals on the continent came from Afghanistan
Britain received one in 30 of all the asylum claims made by new applicants
David Cameron has offered to take in 20,000 refugees but none from the EU


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it seems we have some taking advantage of what is going on....

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


Thank you Zack... I don't know exactly what opinions I have ever given that are so bad!?


Three quarters of the British people want immigration greatly reduced, as I do.


Does that make me a racist!?


Or is it just that the lefties have thrown this accusation about so much in recent years at anyone who has this view...?



To me, it is the lefties who are the racists and hypocrites... they constantly shout about How it's wrong to be racist and about equality and fairness etc... but then give special treatment to certain people BECAUSE OF THEIR RACE/ETHNICITY/SEXUALITY ETC!!!


For example, in schools, girls and other ethnic minorities have been given so many leg ups and special attention over recent years that they are now well ahead and it is the white boys who are being left behind!!!


All in the name of equality mind!!!



Why are those so vocal about fairness and equality so hell bent on not actually treating people the same!?

I was going to bring this example up myself.

This is also an example how lefties (as you put it) use racial divisions for their own ends. The Labour Party for example.

It is shameful that nobody thought about how positive discrimination would impact on white children in low income areas. As I said, this is an example of children paying for sins of their parents. Or worse, someone else's parents of the same skin colour. Isn't that racist too? It's certainly no equality.

Positive discrimination is completely wrong, but are you seriously suggesting this outweighs the discrimination felt by many minorities?
Please in both cases discrmination is wrong and agree its wrong with positive discrmination, but its still pails into comparrison the discrmination through society that minorities suffer

Cuchulain wrote:

eddie wrote:

That's why I don't allow myself to be drawn in too deeply by anything he or quill, claim.
They contradict themselves time and again; that's what happens when you will go to any lengths to be right.

They change with the wind.

There is no contradiction, you are just not that bright enough to understand
Biologically races do not exist in humans, but racism certainly exists in the mind of races.
We now identify by invented races.

lol! Already started with the insults and the mocking.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

[/quote]

I was going to bring this example up myself.

This is also an example how lefties (as you put it) use racial divisions for their own ends. The Labour Party for example.

It is shameful that nobody thought about how positive discrimination would impact on white children in low income areas. As I said, this is an example of children paying for sins of their parents. Or worse, someone else's parents of the same skin colour. Isn't that racist too? It's certainly no equality. [/quote]


Bang on.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


There is no contradiction, you are just not that bright enough to understand
Biologically races do not exist in humans, but racism certainly exists in the mind of races.
We now identify by invented races.

lol! Already started with the insults and the mocking.

How is it an insult when  she is very much ignorant on the subject?

Still waiting for an answer to my previous question on presenting a rational view piont to debate from a racists position.

Cuchulain wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

I was going to bring this example up myself.

This is also an example how lefties (as you put it) use racial divisions for their own ends. The Labour Party for example.

It is shameful that nobody thought about how positive discrimination would impact on white children in low income areas. As I said, this is an example of children paying for sins of their parents. Or worse, someone else's parents of the same skin colour. Isn't that racist too? It's certainly no equality.

Positive discrimination is completely wrong, but are you seriously suggesting this outweighs the discrimination felt by many minorities?
Please in both cases discrmination is wrong and agree its wrong with positive discrmination, but its still pails into comparrison the discrmination through society that minorities suffer

Which one outweighs the other is irrelevant.

Neither is true equality of opportunity of all, regardless of race. That's what Eddie and others are saying it should be.

Cuchulain wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

lol! Already started with the insults and the mocking.

How is it an insult when  she is very much ignorant on the subject?

Still waiting for an answer to my previous question on presenting a rational view piont to debate from a racists position.

I'm not a racist so I wouldn't know their position.

Nor was that the point I was making.

I was saying it is up to rational people to discuss the irrational with emotive racists.

Zack I am really starting to respect you a lot more, regardless of whether you agree with me now or in the future.
Your posts are always well thought out and honest.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


Positive discrimination is completely wrong, but are you seriously suggesting this outweighs the discrimination felt by many minorities?
Please in both cases discrmination is wrong and agree its wrong with positive discrmination, but its still pails into comparrison the discrmination through society that minorities suffer

Which one outweighs the other is irrelevant.

Neither is true equality of opportunity of all, regardless of race. That's what Eddie and others are saying it should be.

It is relevant if some are arguing as if it is far worse which will some will do.

Again both is wrong, where all should have parity from equality from birth but the reality is that just does not happen.
There is quite a number here that are inadvertantly racist.
You see it in their language and how they play down such an issue

Yes Didge, in your opinion.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


How is it an insult when  she is very much ignorant on the subject?

Still waiting for an answer to my previous question on presenting a rational view piont to debate from a racists position.

I'm not a racist so I wouldn't know their position.

Nor was that the point I was making.

I was saying it is up to rational people to discuss the irrational with emotive racists.

So how can you claim something to be a good standing point of a debate when you know such a position is rubbish?
Like I say, you cannot even provide a reason to argue off such a stance
Anyway racism gets debated here daily.

eddie wrote:Yes Didge, in your opinion.

Now that Zack is an example of a poster being emotive.

Cuchulain wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Which one outweighs the other is irrelevant.

Neither is true equality of opportunity of all, regardless of race. That's what Eddie and others are saying it should be.

It is relevant if some are arguing as if it is far worse which will some will do.

Again both is wrong, where all should have parity from equality from birth but the reality is that just does not happen.
There is quite a number here that are inadvertantly racist.
You see it in their language and how they play down such an issue

Well in that case you better call me a racist too. Because I've seen no example of that. Even from Tommy on this thread.

Cuchulain wrote:

eddie wrote:Yes Didge, in your opinion.

Now that Zack is an example of a poster being emotive.

Erm, yes Didge, I'm a human and not a robot....what are you then?

And let's face it, there wasn't much emotion in that sentence was there? Fuck me!

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


It is relevant if some are arguing as if it is far worse which will some will do.

Again both is wrong, where all should have parity from equality from birth but the reality is that just does not happen.
There is quite a number here that are inadvertantly racist.
You see it in their language and how they play down such an issue

Well in that case you better call me a racist too. Because I've seen no example of that. Even from Tommy on this thread.

Of course you will say that Zack, thoughout their points have been born from a defensive stance of being white throughout. Tommy brings up the very poiint on this factor, which is evident where his stand point is from.
I have no idea if you are racist.
Are you?

eddie wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


Now that Zack is an example of a poster being emotive.

Erm, yes Didge, I'm a human and not a robot....what are you then?

And let's face it, there wasn't much emotion in that sentence was there? Fuck me!

It was emotive Eddie, you are looking for support in your views and are not enjoying having your posts easily refuted.
That then makes you reply as you did where you offer no counter.
Again the above is emotive, as the debate is getting to you

Cuchulain wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

I'm not a racist so I wouldn't know their position.

Nor was that the point I was making.

I was saying it is up to rational people to discuss the irrational with emotive racists.

So how can you claim something to be a good standing point of a debate when you know such a position is rubbish?
Like I say, you cannot even provide a reason to argue off such a stance
Anyway racism gets debated here daily.

It is still worth a true debate. Even if it's just to confirm what you believe. True belief requires that courage. Or you don't really have any conviction. Not to mention, become complacent about what you believe.

Why do you think I tolerate the Islamic threads on here? Because I am confident in what I believe. And I don't mind testing it.

Nope he can't be a racist.
Not according to Quill.

He's not white.

eddie wrote:Nope he can't be a racist.
Not according to Quill.

He's not white.

Again I disagree with Quill on that.

Any how I really have quite stayed on to long

Laters

Cuchulain wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Well in that case you better call me a racist too. Because I've seen no example of that. Even from Tommy on this thread.

Of course you will say that Zack, thoughout their points have been born from a defensive stance of being white throughout. Tommy brings up the very poiint on this factor, which is evident where his stand point is from.
I have no idea if you are racist.
Are you?

You've already made judgements about others. You tell me if I am.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


So how can you claim something to be a good standing point of a debate when you know such a position is rubbish?
Like I say, you cannot even provide a reason to argue off such a stance
Anyway racism gets debated here daily.

It is still worth a true debate. Even if it's just to confirm what you believe. True belief requires that courage. Or you don't really have any conviction. Not to mention, become complacent about what you believe.

Why do you think I tolerate the Islamic threads on here? Because I am confident in what I believe. And I don't mind testing it.

DOH I debate this often and reason my points, but even many academics rubbish poor opinions.
The fact is you can rightly rubbish things like racism
So spare me the drivel about what is a good debate and what makes for one, as I even had to teach you on the merits of debates and how they have helped shape and progress society.

You shy away many times on debates about Islam and sexy does not at all. To me she has more faith than you, which is just an opinion

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Well in that case you better call me a racist too. Because I've seen no example of that. Even from Tommy on this thread.

Of course you will say that Zack, thoughout their points have been born from a defensive stance of being white throughout. Tommy brings up the very poiint on this factor, which is evident where his stand point is from.
I have no idea if you are racist.
Are you?

You've already made judgements about others. You tell me if I am.

I can tell a racist a mile off. They wear it like a badge and they are nasty.

I haven't seen anyone who's truly a racist on here, but I've seen generalisations and labels thrown around.
I've seen fear and knee-jerk reactions.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


Of course you will say that Zack, thoughout their points have been born from a defensive stance of being white throughout. Tommy brings up the very poiint on this factor, which is evident where his stand point is from.
I have no idea if you are racist.
Are you?

You've already made judgements about others. You tell me if I am.

Just said I have no idea, so you tell me?
As to others, some inadvertantly are racist and others are blatantly racist. Some are not racist either way.

eddie wrote:Nope he can't be a racist.
Not according to Quill.

He's not white.

Cuchulain wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

It is still worth a true debate. Even if it's just to confirm what you believe. True belief requires that courage. Or you don't really have any conviction. Not to mention, become complacent about what you believe.

Why do you think I tolerate the Islamic threads on here? Because I am confident in what I believe. And I don't mind testing it.

DOH I debate this often and reason my points, but even many academics rubbish poor opinions.
The fact is you can rightly rubbish things like racism
So spare me the drivel about what is a good debate and what makes for one, as I even had to teach you on the merits of debates and how they have helped shape and progress society.

You shy away many times on debates about Islam and sexy does not at all. To me she has more faith than you, which is just an opinion

My opinion about debates were just that, an opinion. Only in your arrogant mind are you right.

SM for sure has more faith than me. Never said otherwise.

Anyway, that's your childish comments dealt with.

Try to understand the difference between debating and mocking. Go learn about that, genius.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


DOH I debate this often and reason my points, but even many academics rubbish poor opinions.
The fact is you can rightly rubbish things like racism
So spare me the drivel about what is a good debate and what makes for one, as I even had to teach you on the merits of debates and how they have helped shape and progress society.

You shy away many times on debates about Islam and sexy does not at all. To me she has more faith than you, which is just an opinion

My opinion about debates were just that, an opinion. Only in your arrogant mind are you right.

SM for sure has more faith than me. Never said otherwise.

Anyway, that's your childish comments dealt with.

Try to understand the difference between debating and mocking. Go learn about that, genius.

No I think you were the one who looked silly where you claimed debates rarely solve anything and then tried to claim you meant on science of which I showed you were very stupid on, more so when you bowed out lol.
Anyway you still cannot provide a rational view point for a racist to argue off racism itself.
So when we ridicule something it is because that belief a person has is rather silly.
Is that wrong to do?
No, people take the piss out of sthers beliefs all the time and if you cannot accept that, then you have the problem yourself.
No belief is beyond riducle, you ofetn do it yourself against the belief Zionism.
So go figure

Cuchulain wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

My opinion about debates were just that, an opinion. Only in your arrogant mind are you right.

SM for sure has more faith than me. Never said otherwise.

Anyway, that's your childish comments dealt with.

Try to understand the difference between debating and mocking. Go learn about that, genius.

No I think you were the one who looked silly where you claimed debates rarely solve anything and then tried to claim you meant on science of which I showed you were very stupid on, more so when you bowed out lol.
Anyway you still cannot provide a rational view point for a racist to argue off racism itself.
So when we ridicule something it is because that belief a person has is rather silly.
Is that wrong to do?
No, people take the piss out of sthers beliefs all the time and if you cannot accept that, then you have the problem yourself.
No belief is beyond riducle, you ofetn do it yourself against the belief Zionism.
So go figure

I stand by what i said about debates. If you want to dig that thread out or start a new one, go for it.

But I'm not falling for the classic Didge dodge of moving goal posts. :-)

Ridicule is ridiculous. It's an emotive response when the rational response is weak. Every time you ridicule, you admit defeat.

And no, I don't mock Zionism. I vehemently disagree with it.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


No I think you were the one who looked silly where you claimed debates rarely solve anything and then tried to claim you meant on science of which I showed you were very stupid on, more so when you bowed out lol.
Anyway you still cannot provide a rational view point for a racist to argue off racism itself.
So when we ridicule something it is because that belief a person has is rather silly.
Is that wrong to do?
No, people take the piss out of sthers beliefs all the time and if you cannot accept that, then you have the problem yourself.
No belief is beyond riducle, you ofetn do it yourself against the belief Zionism.
So go figure

I stand by what i said about debates. If you want to dig that thread out or start a new one, go for it.

But I'm not falling for the classic Didge dodge of moving goal posts. :-)

Ridicule is ridiculous. It's an emotive response when the rational response is weak. Every time you ridicule, you admit defeat.

And no, I don't mock Zionism. I vehemently disagree with it.

Well as seen debates have helped shape and change and progress societies for the better.
No goal posts you triesd to tell me how to debate, which was comical, where you still cannot present a ratiional view point of a racist on racism.
Yes you do mock zionism by claiming people are Zionists when arguing a point. You claim they also must be zionist and have many piss taking views in regards to this.
Any get used to the fact no belief is beyond ridicule
Riduicule is sometimes emotive negatively, but can be used for good reason when something is just so silly.
So to claim I admit to defeat is just you inventing a claim to that being so to you.
How many times have you ridiculed me?
Which means everytime you have means by your reasoning you admit defeat.
Have you never laughed at where someone claims something so outlandish and taken the piss out of them?
Behave, people do this when something is just plainly ridiculous, hence the ridicule

Okay constant ridicule can stiffle decent debate, but I will say that ridicule can be a good tool and hammer blow to making some of the best points and a good example of this is here:







Good night Zack

Raggamuffin wrote:I'm sure that Didge has said previously that there's no such thing as race, and therefore no such thing as racism.

That's when it suited him of course.

a bit confusing if you ask me considering how often he whines about me being a racist which according to his logic is impossible

smelly-bandit wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:I'm sure that Didge has said previously that there's no such thing as race, and therefore no such thing as racism.

That's when it suited him of course.

a bit confusing if you ask me considering how often he whines about me being a racist which according to his logic is impossible

How is it impossble for you to be a racist?
Racists exists.
Races in humans biologically do not exist.
Racism is a belief of which you are one of the biggest proponents of racism.
That is like saying Christians do not exist, as theirs is a belief called Christianity, yet no Christian can prove God exist.
Christianity is a belief, just as racisn is a belief.
Hence racism exists in the mind of a racist just like you Dutchman

Seriously you really do seem to be getting more stupid as time goes along

morning walter

please tell me, if racism exists in the mind then what is it based on???

smelly-bandit wrote:morning walter

please tell me, if racism exists in the mind then what is it based on???

Morning Dutchman

Ignorance formed from prejudice.

prejudice??

prejudice of what??

explain it walter, isnt it debate that you want??

smelly-bandit wrote:prejudice??

prejudice of what??

explain it walter, isnt it debate that you want??

Prejudice of people who are different to you.
You have people who are prejudice against Homosexuals.
People who are prejudiced against people due to facial features and skin colour
People who are prejudice against those with disabilities.
Do you want me to continue?

so my prejudice is based on the fact of people who are DIFFERENT to me??

all the examples you give are PHYSICAL differences arent they??

how can there be physical differences if humans are biologically identical as you claim?? surely we should ALL be black or ALL be white if we were all the same??

oh well, i guess there is such a thing as race eh??

good job walter, i will let you know when i need to prove my next point

smelly-bandit wrote:so my prejudice is based on the fact of people who are DIFFERENT to me??

all the examples you give are PHYSICAL differences arent they??

how can there be physical differences if humans are biologically identical as you claim?? surely we should ALL be black or ALL be white if we were all the same??

oh well, i guess there is such a thing as race eh??

good job walter, i will let you know when i need to prove my next point

Do we need to go into biology again?
Biologically there is only one human race.
Races are a Social concept.
That does not mean there are not differences in how we look.
For example green eyes are rare and amber eyes even rarer, so are you prejudiced to those with these eye colours?
Does that make then each a different race Dutchman?
Its not my fault you fail to understand something so simple
All you are trying to do is excuse being prejudice.


http://www.livescience.com/47627-race-is-not-a-science-concept.html

not at all walter

the biology has been done to death

we are all human beings, however within the human SPECIES there are different RACES

the same diversity exists in all walks of life

dogs and cats are divided into different "breeds" in the same way humans are divided into different "races"

the poodle is dog who is genetically different to a lab who is also a dog

the same is true for humankind

the african who is a human is genetically different to the european who is also a human

your continued use of the incorrect term "race" instead of "species" to describe the human species is deliberately misleading

your argument denies genetic variation and if your logical was accurate then we would ALL be blonde hair and blue eyes or ALL be africans

since we are not, we have no other option but to conclude that humans are genetically diverse

The problem with people like you Smelly is you think you are SUPERIOR than every other race.

as you have often said dead Muslims 'warm your heart'

You suffer from superioty complex and wouldnt mind killing non whites.

Remind you of someone?

SEXY MAMA wrote:The problem with people like you Smelly is you think you are SUPERIOR than every other race.

as you have often said dead Muslims 'warm your heart'

You suffer from superioty complex and wouldnt mind killing non whites.

Remind you of someone?

I must protest mama, you do me a grave injustice.

I dont mind killing ANYONE, although i do confess that Muslims occupy the top 3 spots in my favourites list, however i dont mind if they are white,asian or black Muslims.

i guess that absolves me of racism and makes me an equal opportunities maniacal killer eh??

At no point does my view deny genetic variation.

Again breeds are created from controlled breeding.
Humans are diverse, we have people with skin tones different, hair colour, short, tall, broad, thin etc. None of which makes them a different race. So to claim diversity then makes people different races is nothing short of not understanding biology and furthers proves you arein ignorance of the matter.
So lets look at this.

I stated green eyes is rare, so to you does that make those with green eyes a different race?
Come on Dutchman explain why you do not consider people with green eyes a different race, even though they have genetic variation?

Again races is a social concept, and not something scientific

breeds are created from controlled breeding??

really??

that logic dictates that at some stage in history the only kind of dogs that ever existed were, for example, poodles.

two poodle humping are not going to produce a pug now are they??

illogical stupidity

different races exist within the human species

end of story

Cuchulain wrote:At no point does my view deny genetic variation.

Again breeds are created from controlled breeding.
Humans are diverse, we have people with skin tones different, hair colour, short, tall, broad, thin etc. None of which makes them a different race. So to claim diversity then makes people different races is nothing short of not understanding biology and furthers proves you arein ignorance of the matter.
So lets look at this.

I stated green eyes is rare, so to you does that make those with green eyes a different race?
Come on Dutchman explain why you do not consider people with green eyes a different race, even though they have genetic variation?

Again races is a social concept, and not something scientific

Green eyes are rare? I'm a very rare person then as I have green eyes.

Look its not my fault you fail to understand this smelly, dogs were domesticated thousands of years ago.
I see you could not answer my question and its because you have not the first clue what you are talking about.
If as you claim diversity creates races in humans, then why are not people with green eyes a seperate race?
How about those with amber eyes?
How about those with red hair?

You are boring me with your ignorance now, here is something to explain for you why you are such an idiot:


http://www.livescience.com/47627-race-is-not-a-science-concept.html

SEXY MAMA wrote:The problem with people like you Smelly is you think you are SUPERIOR than every other race.

as you have often said dead Muslims 'warm your heart'

You suffer from superioty complex and wouldnt mind killing non whites.

Remind you of someone?

Muslims aren't actually a race though SM, although some people like to lump them together as a race.

people with red hair ARE a seperate race

we call them gingers, they stink of piss and all human kind unites in shunning them

smelly-bandit wrote:people with red hair ARE a seperate race

we call them gingers, they stink of piss and all human kind unites in shunning them

I have a friend with red hair, and she always smells very fragrant.

Raggamuffin wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:people with red hair ARE a seperate race

we call them gingers, they stink of piss and all human kind unites in shunning them

I have a friend with red hair, and she always smells very fragrant.

I also have a few friends with red hair and they don't smell horrible .

Didge wrote:I do not think Quill is racist but doing an excellent job of winding the fuck out of all of you and all of you are biting.

Thank you.  "Winding" and teaching, didge.  They haven’t gotten this close to the truth, ever.  They are all crying and moaning now, but they will never forget the lesson.  We are in the 8th-page of this thread, and they are all still whipped up.  And the PM lines are probabl twice as active!  As teachers--you and I--we know this was a good job!

As for guilt…that whole theory is a diversion.  It is a strategy to divert attention away from the reality, and on to something that will satisfy their urge for denial, without taking responsibility.  

But the guilt thesis is half true.  White people should feel guilty.  One should ask, Guilt for what?  Guilt belongs in the frame, but it is hardly the only thing that belongs in the frame.  It is not the guilt, but the answer that must be the focus.  To address the guilt, and neither the cause, nor the answer, is to do a poor job of cleaning your house.

Through all of the moaning and name-calling--which, so far from being hurtful, are a sign of our success--they have never answered the premise question: through slavery you incurred a debt, are you now going to be a deadbeat?  For tommy, the answer is simple; he admits his own lack of integrity.  For him, it is the guilt, and that is the simplest way to make it go away.

But for others of more substance, they realize that it is their honor and trustworthiness that is at stake.  When confronted with a liar, you have two decisions to make: 1) should I expose or lay low and go along?; and, 2) not will he, but when will he lie about me?   Because you know, the situation will change one day and he will use the same tactic against you.  A person without honor is a person who can never have friends.  No one will trust him.  Y'all can mill about as a mob, but but you won't have friends.

Whites have a debt.  Those that can't meet their obligations, are forever beneath us.  Didge, they know that.  That's why they keep coming back with protests. Those of us who have raised children have seen it all too much.  They are in the throes of denial.

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:I do not think Quill is racist but doing an excellent job of winding the fuck out of all of you and all of you are biting.

Thank you.  "Winding" and teaching, didge.  They haven’t gotten this close to the truth, ever.  They are all crying and moaning now, but they will never forget the lesson.  We are in the 8th-page of this thread, and they are all still whipped up.  And the PM lines are probabl twice as active!  As teachers--you and I--we know this was a good job!

l.

What a conceited, arrogant asshole you come across as Quill. And as for PM lines being active? Don't be so cock sure about yourself that you are that important enough to discuss via PMs. I'm quite confident that if anyone on here has anything to say, they'll say it to you directly on open forum. Don't ever think you're a cut above anyone else on here. You're not.