Lefties, liberals, guilt and murder

by Guest Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:18 pm

First topic message reminder :

In the wake of this migrants crisis the West needs to look at itself and judge it's behaviour.

we are all selfish deep down, and when the looking Glass is held up to us,some of us can't handle what we see, some of us hate what we see and have to compensate.

Because let's face it, it's not compassion you liberals see when you look into those black pits you call eyes, it's guilt.

That all consuming famous white western privileged guilt, and the desperate urge to ease it that most of you liberal parasites can't do without yet hate so much.

Hows does that work anyway??

What's a slice of guilt free peace go for these days??

5 minutes for a tenner??

A week in exchange for an annual subscription to save the earth children donkey monkey charity society or some other money making scam?? I bet the pressure on you liberals to appear on the social scene as being great humanitarians is high indeed.

The guilt induced panic gripping Europe is certainly sky high, the highest since WWII don't you know??

why i imagine its almost compulsory fashion these days to have some bauble, some accessory to prove how much you care?? Perhaps a Syrian baby to carry around in your handbag like a Paris Hilton toy dog??

Perhaps not a Syrian for the fashion conscious, i hear Iraqi children are next months fashion, so the good news is you can be a really good Internet humanitarian and probably get a couple of Syrians for half the price if you wait till next month and keep your guilt at bay for that little bit longer

Or better yet Perhaps like ole Bobby boy you liberals could offer up your house and heart for some immigrants??

Or if you're really very very rich, and very very very white and therefore very very very very guilty your HOUSES and a flat for a few families,though i daresay at the cheap price of only 4 families, bob will be back to feeling guilty in no time at all.

I suggest you take a 100 families in

after all its Europe - always open and never full, come on in bring your friends, like our guilt, we have no upper limit to our moral obligation to immigrants.

Best vet them though first eh, wouldn't want some child beheading , woman raping gay killing lunatic Jihadists living with you now would you.

Of course not that's Madness!! We don't want THOSE kind of immigrants

But of course you may have to be a little racist and xenophobic if you vet them, but only a little bit.............

On second thoughts best not run the risk of being called racist, after all statistically speaking you're more likely to be abducted by an alien pirate ship driven by Elvis than you are to be killed by a terrorist.

So realistically the chances are that the 100 families busy roasting a freshly halal slaughtered goat round a campfire in your lounge have nothing but good intentions and multicultural enrichment to offer you.

by Original Quill Wed Sep 09, 2015 5:23 pm

Christie wrote:Is this true?

General Wesley Clark: Wars Were Planned - Seven Countries In Five Years

Wesley Clark, who has no political aspirations, but has connections all over the Pentagon and Washington, is one of the most knowledgeable and influential people in America.

A little history: the Republicans have had their chin in their socks ever since Nixon’s forced resignation. It was a direct blow to their elitism. So the former Republican politicos—Donald Rumsfeld and Richard Cheney—seize on the illiterate and incurious son of one of their colleagues, GW Bush, to become a president. Their removal means they become untouchable. They fully intend to run the show behind the scenes.

In one of the greatest political frauds in history, the state of Florida, run by the candidate’s brother, Jeb Bush, stalls the count of ballots for the 2000 presidential election. The arbitrator becomes the Republican dominated US Supreme Court. Despite losing the count, the US Supreme Court declares the loser the winner: the idiot GWB.

In the meantime, a political science professor at the University of Chicago, Leo Strauss, has these nutty ideas that since the fall of the Soviet Union, there has been no parallel since the Roman Empire…the US is the new Empire, and whomever is president, the new Emperor. He develops the theory of American Exceptionalism—America, the first democracy, has a duty to carry out it’s mandate to democratize and civilize the rest of the world. (Oh yes, and get the oil.) So his former students and followers create this cabal which the press calls the Neo-Cons: Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, John Bolton, Elliott Abrams, Richard Perle and Paul Bremer.

Because of their ostensible mandate, the Neo-Cons unabashedly claim the right of preemptive war. No, not defensive...just, you go for it kid...preemptive war. See, "The Implications of Preemptive and Preventative War Doctrines: A Reconstruction", Strategic Studies Institute (2007). Chief among them is VP Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld. They are on a messianic mission: convert the world and get the oil. You wondered why Saudis cause 9-11, but the US attacks Iraq? You wondered why they found no WMDs? Follow the Neo-Con plan.

Gen. Wesley Clark, like Gen. Colin Powel, and Col. Lawrence B. Wilkerson, are among the few who had positions inside this pirates' administration, but stood outside the cabal. They were the watchers. What you hear in this clip is only the tip of the iceberg.

by Guest Wed Sep 09, 2015 5:34 pm

My my my you really are ruled by the politics of envy aren't you

At least a couple reference to the wealth of the conservative

It's fashionable guilt plain and simple ,the evidence of this is obvious quill.

The disgraceful insincere wailing of the western liberal,is nothing but the collective guilt of white privileged liberals overflowing,no longer able to be contained with meaningless gestures of charity every now and then

A single picture of a dead Syrian child on a beach in Turkey rocks the world but pictures of children beheaded by Isis brings forth rooms full of stifled yawns ,barely.

Homeless veterans are an international scandal that has been going on for Years , yet liberals are mobilised to suddenly find enough accommodation for migrants.

The selective and manufactured compassion is so obvious it may as well have " made in China" stamped into it.

Lets talk selective compassion, Merkel is playing the big hero ,the great bleeding heart

Where was her compassion for the children of Greece??or the people of Greece?

No no ,no compassion for those layabouts,for them nothing but snarling threats to grind them into dust if they failed to accept her financial subjugation

Not one ounce of compassion or one single penny could be found for them ,but she just paid 6 billion without batting an eye to accommodate people who aren't even part of the great Europe dream

That's liberal compassion for you - empty,false and oh so very very selective

Please quill let's talk about inaction,how many opportunities over the last 5 years have the west had to mitigate this clusterfuck?

Plenty,but the financial crisis in Greece and all that.

How many opportunities where used ?? Not one

Now let's look at the government of the countries capable of capitalizing on the opportunities

America - a weak LIBERAL president

UK - a weak conservative government hold hostage to a stong LIBERAL partner and opposition

France -LIBERAL

No quill let's not pretend that this crisis was mismanaged and fucked by anything other than pathetically weak liberal world leaders

by Ben Reilly Wed Sep 09, 2015 5:58 pm

Original Quill wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:In the wake of this migrants crisis the West needs to look at itself and judge it's behaviour.

we are all selfish deep down, and when the looking Glass is held up to us,some of us can't handle what we see, some of us hate what we see and have to compensate.

Because let's face it, it's not compassion you liberals see when you look into those black pits you call eyes, it's guilt.

That all consuming famous white western privileged guilt, and the desperate urge to ease it that most of you liberal parasites can't do without yet hate so much.

Hows does that work anyway??

What's a slice of guilt free peace go for these days??

5 minutes for a tenner??

A week in exchange for an annual subscription to save the earth children donkey monkey charity society or some other money making scam?? I bet the pressure on you liberals to appear on the social scene as being great humanitarians is high indeed.

The guilt induced panic gripping Europe is certainly sky high, the highest since WWII don't you know??

why i imagine its almost compulsory fashion these days to have some bauble, some accessory to prove how much you care?? Perhaps a Syrian baby to carry around in your handbag like a Paris Hilton toy dog??

Perhaps not a Syrian for the fashion conscious, i hear Iraqi children are next months fashion, so the good news is you can be a really good Internet humanitarian and probably get a couple of Syrians for half the price if you wait till next month and keep your guilt at bay for that little bit longer

Or better yet Perhaps like ole Bobby boy you liberals could offer up your house and heart for some immigrants??

Or if you're really very very rich, and very very very white and therefore very very very very guilty your HOUSES and a flat for a few families,though i daresay at the cheap price of only 4 families, bob will be back to feeling guilty in no time at all.

I suggest you take a 100 families in

after all its Europe - always open and never full, come on in bring your friends, like our guilt, we have no upper limit to our moral obligation to immigrants.

Best vet them though first eh, wouldn't want some child beheading , woman raping gay killing lunatic Jihadists living with you now would you.

Of course not that's Madness!! We don't want THOSE kind of immigrants

But of course you may have to be a little racist and xenophobic if you vet them, but only a little bit.............

On second thoughts best not run the risk of being called racist, after all statistically speaking you're more likely to be abducted by an alien pirate ship driven by Elvis than you are to be killed by a terrorist.

So realistically the chances are that the 100 families busy roasting a freshly halal slaughtered goat round a campfire in your lounge have nothing but good intentions and multicultural enrichment to offer you.

On this post, you make a single point, and the rest is what the RW is famous for: jingoism and rep-ar-tee. Quips that are ¼” deep, and even less profound. You toss about some 10 -20 different ways to cast your topic, but you could have said it all in your third paragraph: “It's not compassion you liberals see when you look into those black pits you call eyes, it's guilt.”

But first, you preceded that sentence with another interesting admission: “we are all selfish deep down.” So, at least for the RW you are admitting your own basic ideology.

I applaud this post, not for the diatribe about guilt, but for the candid admission about RW selfishness. True you said that we are all selfish, but that is the same old rhetorical trick of bilateralism…you got caught with your hand in the cookie jar, and now you are saying: ‘he did it too.’

No, we are not all selfish. There is a fundamental difference between liberals and conservatives: liberals work for the common interest, while conservatives work for selfish and special interests.

This is a troublesome admission for you, so you choose to attack the other side, hoping to transform their central theme into something equally troubling: Guilt. You seem to admit the compassion of liberals, tacitly, as guilt is not as ugly and nefarious a motive as blatant greediness. Let’s take a look at the whole thesis.

Viewed in its best light, RWers view politics as a script, following the thesis of Adam Smith: if everyone pursues their selfish interests, everything will balance out. True, people need policing so that no unfair advantage is taken—that is what police and the military are for—but in the main you leave them alone to pursue their own selfishness and they world will equalize.

Liberals don’t even bother with a script. They are down-to-earth problem solvers. Conservatives keep looking for a script for liberals, and that’s where they come up with theories like guilt or welfare cheating or just womanish weakness. But liberals don’t have a script. Conservatives search because they realize that having a theory…having an ideology means they must prove it’s validity. That’s extra baggage. They want something equivalent in order to balance the debate. They end up with nothing.

Liberals are not just another brand, but a whole different product. Liberals view politics as the power to distribute justice. Justice is not a theory, like it is for conservatives. It is problem solving: Child labor laws. Health codes. Safety codes for the workplace. Farm bills. Sanitation codes. Clean water acts. Medical and legal licensing. Liberal programs are all of the myriad things that government does to assure that the people’s interests and safety are served. True, the solutions may be complex and may not always work. But never question the motive of liberals.

Your theory of guilt is just another contrivance by a conservative to attribute an oblique motive to the liberal cause. All, so that the conservatives can have a quick reply to the discomfort they feel when they are challenged about their own motives. There is no need. Liberals are not conservatives, nor are they like conservatives. They are just trying to do a job, not vindicate a script.

by Guest Wed Sep 09, 2015 6:07 pm

Is the Dutchman still confusing what is rational and natural compared toi guilt.

Its like I said earlier which he avoided about whether he risk saving an injured allied serviceman.

Lets see if he will answer this time

by Original Quill Wed Sep 09, 2015 6:16 pm

Smells wrote:My my my you really are ruled by the politics of envy aren't you

At least a couple reference to the wealth of the conservative

It's fashionable guilt plain and simple ,the evidence of this is obvious quill.

The disgraceful insincere wailing of the western liberal,is nothing but the collective guilt of white privileged liberals overflowing,no longer able to be contained with meaningless gestures of charity every now and then

You are frightened. I hear you; I understand, smells. But we have already uncovered the conservative’s penchant for jingo and jargon in lieu of reason. Concern is not guilt. And action is not ideological framing. What conservatives are good at is whining...and that's all that you are doing, smells. Whining.

Smells wrote:A single picture of a dead Syrian child on a beach in Turkey rocks the world but pictures of children beheaded by Isis brings forth rooms full of stifled yawns ,barely.

Homeless veterans are an international scandal that has been going on for Years , yet liberals are mobilised to suddenly find enough accommodation for migrants.

The selective and manufactured compassion is so obvious it may as well have " made in China" stamped into it.

Well, there you go, you go directly to the ills of which I speak, and then you call them “made in China” (haha…does that date you). Yes, there are other problems in the universe, but rather than deal with them you sit back in your overstuffed chair and wail “Oh my word, so much trouble…so much to worry about. Whatever will we do?”

Why don’t you do something, you lazy oaf? Help the children. Keep victims out of the hands of ISIL. Pass the legislation giving homeless veterans homes, instead of austerity so the rich can lower taxes.

Smells wrote:Lets talk selective compassion, Merkel is playing the big hero ,the great bleeding heart

Oh gawd! More words, words, words. Carry on Mr. Conservative Color Commentator:

Smells wrote:Where was her compassion for the children of Greece??or the people of Greece?

No no ,no compassion for those layabouts,for them nothing but snarling threats to grind them into dust if they failed to accept her financial subjugation

Not one ounce of compassion or one single penny could be found for them ,but she just paid 6 billion without batting an eye to accommodate people who aren't even part of the great Europe dream

You see, you start out with a genuine question, which I would have answered positively. But the conservative always has to come back to his hatred and fear for himself. There’s a simple answer: help them all. (As I recall, Europe bailed out Greece, and you screamed because it hit your pocketbook…po’ baby, there’s your real compassion.)

Smells wrote:That's liberal compassion for you - empty,false and oh so very very selective

Please quill let's talk about inaction,how many opportunities over the last 5 years have the west had to mitigate this clusterfuck?

Plenty,but the financial crisis in Greece and all that.

How many opportunities where used ?? Not one

Now let's look at the government of the countries capable of capitalizing on the opportunities

America - a weak LIBERAL president

UK - a weak conservative government hold hostage to a stong LIBERAL partner and opposition

France -LIBERAL

No quill let's not pretend that this crisis was mismanaged and fucked by anything other than pathetically weak liberal world leaders

Like a pig squealing, you make a lot of noise but not very much sense. (Um…you, a conservative, are not taking credit for helping Greece, are you?) How many of those problems were conservatives willing to fix? None.

Just like Republicans in the US, you would rather shut down government than see it take action. The conservative’s only concern is to lower taxes and unload services so the rich can get richer.

The American President is one of the most brilliant and effective leaders in the world today, and throughout the history of the US. Despite an uphill battle against the bleak negativism of world-wide conservativism, he has gotten the country out of Iraq, saved America from the next Depression, brought unemployment down from 10.5% to 5.1%, overseen the creation of 5-million jobs, overseen the American stock market soar to over $18,000 average in the Dow Jones (highest ever), saved the US auto industry, and finally created a highly successful medical care system (despite the sour grapes of Republicans) and he got bin Laden when the Republican administration was completely inept at finding him.

There’s your difference between liberals and conservatives, smells. Doers vs. whiners.

by Ben Reilly Wed Sep 09, 2015 6:19 pm

Conservatives should know, there are only two reliable methods available to them for gaining liberals' support. One is to scare them, the other is to get them drunk.

Okay, there are actually three other ways: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/crux/2012/04/20/five-ways-to-turn-a-liberal-into-a-conservative-at-least-until-the-hangover-sets-in/#.VfBp9PlVhBc

by Guest Wed Sep 09, 2015 6:29 pm

Quill do you know this thread is about the immigration crisis in EUROPE not politics in AMERICA

Every post you make seems to be along the lines of "in American politics blah blah blah"

Immigrants quill immigrants ,this is the topice being discussed.

by Original Quill Wed Sep 09, 2015 6:31 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:Quill do you know this thread is about the immigration crisis in EUROPE not politics in AMERICA

Every post you make seems to be along the lines of "in American politics blah blah blah"

Immigrants quill immigrants ,this is the topice being discussed.

RUN, RABBIT, RUN.

Lefties, liberals, guilt and murder - Page 8 Rabbit2

Seems to me you brought up American politics:

Smells wrote:America - a weak LIBERAL president

And I was the one who brought up the refugee crisis in Europe, as the rationale for this thread (see page 1, post to eddie) after you failed to provide a link:

Original Quill wrote:I do think he grounded the post in the news sufficiently, by reference to the refugee issue going on in Europe. Certainly it is an appropriate news topic, given the events there.

Don't tell me the scope of it after I saved your ass.

by Guest Wed Sep 09, 2015 8:37 pm

there there

good boy,have a head pat

well done you

by Guest Wed Sep 09, 2015 8:39 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:there there

good boy,have a head pat

well done you

he has just taken you to the cleaners and so much so you ended it up on your arse covered in shit.
One thing about Quill you have to learn, he is actually clever, something you clearly are not Dutchman

Funny to watch mind you struggle lol

by Guest Wed Sep 09, 2015 8:55 pm

couldnt have been very thorough cleaners if i was on my arse still covered in shit afterwards

i grow suspicious as to whether they were cleaners at all, i think they could have been illegal syrian immigrants pretending to be cleaners in order to steal the jobs of the real cleaners.

by Guest Wed Sep 09, 2015 8:59 pm

Not very bright are you Dutchman
Taken to the cleaners because you are full of shit, you end up on your arse overspilling with so much shit.
Very simple even for a simpleton like you smelly.
You have wit sometimes, where even I laugh, but sometimes you are not that smart lol

Seriously, you got owned here because he understand politics, where as you lack badly in this area, you only play on anger negatively and why your arguments are poor

Learn from that.

by Tommy Monk Wed Sep 09, 2015 8:59 pm

The original push to intervene was based on the story that assad was using chemical weapons... this was later proved to be bullshit... it was in fact the Syrian rebels/ISIS who had done it and also smuggled into turkey and arrested in raids as shown in the links I provided.

by Guest Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:04 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:The original push to intervene was based on the story that assad was using chemical weapons... this was later proved to be bullshit... it was in fact the Syrian rebels/ISIS who had done it and also smuggled into turkey and arrested in raids as shown in the links I provided.

i dobt think that will make much difference

we invavded IRAQ on a similar pack of lies after all

by Guest Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:05 pm

very witty walter, you almost made even me laugh

by Tommy Monk Wed Sep 09, 2015 10:05 pm

Yes smelly... the Iraq invasion was based on similar media controlled/spun lies... the insistence of imminent doom from the non existent weapons of mass destruction, the dodgy dossier, and the 15 minute launch ability...

It's funny how so many lefties here claim to have been against the Iraq war because they didn't believe what their own labour party were telling them... but were hook line and sinker in support of action against assad because of the bullshit the Tories were telling them about assad using chemical weapons...

Assad govt forces are fighting against the ISIS and al Q terrorists who are butchering religious minorities and raping the women and children and openly selling them as slaves, and who are proven to have been committing countless war crimes as well as proven to have been launching chemical weapons attacks killing countless civilians...

by Guest Wed Sep 09, 2015 10:07 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Yes smelly... the Iraq invasion was based on similar media controlled/spun lies... the insistence of imminent doom from the non existent weapons of mass destruction, the dodgy dossier, and the 15 minute launch ability...

It's funny how so many lefties here claim to have been against the Iraq war because they didn't believe what their own labour party were telling them... but were hook line and sinker in support of action against assad because of the bullshit the Tories were telling them about assad using chemical weapons...

Assad govt forces are fighting against the ISIS and al Q terrorists who are butchering religious minorities and raping the women and children and openly selling them as slaves, and who are proven to have been committing countless war crimes as well as proven to have been launching chemical weapons attacks killing countless civilians...

yeah and its not even a different lie, is the same dossier dusted off and "IRAQ" scribble out and "SYRIA" written over it

boggles the mind

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