Lefties, liberals, guilt and murder

First topic message reminder :

In the wake of this migrants crisis the West needs to look at itself and judge it's behaviour.

we are all selfish deep down, and when the looking Glass is held up to us,some of us can't handle what we see, some of us hate what we see and have to compensate.

Because let's face it, it's not compassion you liberals see when you look into those black pits you call eyes, it's guilt.

That all consuming famous white western privileged guilt, and the desperate urge to ease it that most of you liberal parasites can't do without yet hate so much.

Hows does that work anyway??

What's a slice of guilt free peace go for these days??

5 minutes for a tenner??

A week in exchange for an annual subscription to save the earth children donkey monkey charity society or some other money making scam?? I bet the pressure on you liberals to appear on the social scene as being great humanitarians is high indeed.

The guilt induced panic gripping Europe is certainly sky high, the highest since WWII don't you know??  

why i imagine its almost compulsory fashion these days to have some bauble, some accessory to prove how much you care?? Perhaps a Syrian baby to carry  around in your handbag like a Paris Hilton toy dog??

Perhaps not a Syrian for the fashion conscious, i hear Iraqi children are next months fashion, so the good news is you can be a really good Internet humanitarian and probably get a couple of Syrians for half the price if you wait till next month and keep your guilt at bay for that little bit longer

Or better yet Perhaps like ole Bobby boy you liberals  could offer up your house and heart for some immigrants??

Or if you're really very very rich, and very very very white and therefore very very very very guilty your HOUSES and a flat for a few families,though i daresay at the cheap price of only 4 families, bob will be back to feeling guilty in no time at all.

I suggest you take a 100 families in

after all its Europe - always open and never full, come on in bring your friends, like our guilt, we have no upper limit to our moral obligation to immigrants.

Best vet them though first eh, wouldn't want some child beheading , woman raping gay killing lunatic Jihadists living with you now would you.

Of course not that's Madness!! We don't want THOSE kind of immigrants

But of course you may have to be a little racist and xenophobic if you vet them, but only a little bit.............

On second thoughts best not run the risk of being called racist, after all statistically speaking you're more likely to be abducted by an alien pirate ship driven by Elvis than you are to be killed by a terrorist.

So realistically the chances are that the 100 families busy roasting a freshly halal slaughtered goat round a campfire in your lounge have nothing but good intentions and multicultural enrichment to offer you.

sassy wrote:What you need is a no-fly zone so that Assad cannot barrel bomb his own people, then the flow of refugees will stop.

Didn't know Assad was barrel bombing Iraqi,Sudanese Eritrean,Turkish and Pakistani civilians as well

That Assad and his barrel bombs sure get around

smelly-bandit wrote:

sassy wrote:What you need is a no-fly zone so that Assad cannot barrel bomb his own people, then the flow of refugees will stop.

Didn't know Assad was barrel bombing Iraqi,Sudanese Eritrean,Turkish and Pakistani civilians as well

That Assad and his barrel bombs sure get around

You make fun of barrel bombs that are tearing people to shreds and are the main reason that they are fleeing Syria.  Shame on you.  And we are discussing Syria.

sassy wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

Didn't know Assad was barrel bombing Iraqi,Sudanese Eritrean,Turkish and Pakistani civilians as well

That Assad and his barrel bombs sure get around

You make fun of barrel bombs that are tearing people to shreds and are the main reason that they are fleeing Syria.  Shame on you.  And we are discussing Syria.

I'm making fun of your stupidity you bleeding heart liberal fool

And no we are discussion the migrant exodus which you have just attributed entirely to Assads barrel bombing

Insanity

You posted up a long load of waffle earlier,in the last bit ,one Syrian said that of the two evils - Isis and the barrel bombing,he said that the barrel bombing was the higher threat

Your logic is if you stop the barrel bombing the migrant exodus will stop

Bollox

Stopping the barrel bombing simply promotes Isis to the primary threat

And again what about Iraq?? Assad isn't bombing Iraqis is he??

Your white liberal guilt and obsession with Assad has murdered more refugees than any number of barrel bombs

A simple no should be a no...

we cannot afford for them to come here, financially or for national security reasons and that is made even more apparent when you add the families of all the 20000 who will expect to join them...

We can afford,.

Next

This is getting very repetitive your answers HF on all threads.


Let me know when you have something new

Ta and laters

Cuchulain wrote:We can afford,.

Next

you and those like you pay for them then...

NEXT....

Is that it, the nation helps and can afford.
Next

Also the decision has been made to help some.
So its tough luck on your part HF

So here we have the sum total of liberal strategy

Accept all the migrants

Bomb assad

Cry when we see sad pictures of dead children

How very helpful

You run away from the debate eaarlier Dutchman when I started to talk about strategy and you went on about some poor tactics.
Your policy so far has clearly not worked

sassy wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

Never said any such thing

But I see the leftie liberal vermin have lost the argument and now resort to phantom discussion they have made up

Think my point is made and proved a dozen times over

Cheers lefties

So no point to make then.

And your words:

And why was that Walter??

Oh yes I remember the leftwing liberals wouldn't support military intervention

So you can why they would feel guilty


The military intervention was to stop Assad after he had used chemical weapons.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/syria-un-mission-report-confirms-that-opposition-rebels-used-chemical-weapons-against-civilians-and-government-forces/5363139

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-mainstream-now-admits-that-the-syrian-rebels-have-chemical-weapons/5363039

http://www.rt.com/news/sarin-gas-turkey-al-nusra-021/

http://www.rt.com/news/turkey-syria-chemicals-seized-207/



Don't let the truth get in the way of a good bit of bullshit eh Sassy!?


Keep repeating the lie... just like Goebbels said...

Twatty again surpasses why he is that stupid:


http://www.newsweek.com/united-nations-assads-barrel-bombs-continue-kill-syrian-civilians-347782

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syrian-government-forces-killing-hundreds-of-civilians-in-air-strikes-as-world-watches-isis-10023425.html

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/16/syria-assad-regime-is-weaponising-chlorine-us-congress-to-hear

Sassy said...

The military intervention was to stop Assad after he had used chemical weapons.



When the truth was that the Syrian rebels were responsible for the chemical weapons attacks on govt forces and civilians...


http://www.globalresearch.ca/syria-un-mission-report-confirms-that-opposition-rebels-used-chemical-weapons-against-civilians-and-government-forces/5363139

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-mainstream-now-admits-that-the-syrian-rebels-have-chemical-weapons/5363039

http://www.rt.com/news/sarin-gas-turkey-al-nusra-021/

http://www.rt.com/news/turkey-syria-chemicals-seized-207/

Still Twatty cannot grasp it.
She rightlky said he has caused the vast majority of causualties but then your level of intelligence is on a par with the other dummy Dutchman

One more time for the fool...



Sassy said...

The military intervention was to stop Assad after he had used chemical weapons.

And did he use  chemical weapons twatty?

You can ask a friend if you like?

Tommy Monk wrote:Sassy said...

The military intervention was to stop Assad after he had used chemical weapons.



When the truth was that the Syrian rebels were responsible for the chemical weapons attacks on govt forces and civilians...


http://www.globalresearch.ca/syria-un-mission-report-confirms-that-opposition-rebels-used-chemical-weapons-against-civilians-and-government-forces/5363139

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-mainstream-now-admits-that-the-syrian-rebels-have-chemical-weapons/5363039

http://www.rt.com/news/sarin-gas-turkey-al-nusra-021/

http://www.rt.com/news/turkey-syria-chemicals-seized-207/

Who cares??

Lets bomb Assad,I'm sure there is some legitimate government waiting to take over and be all nice and cuddly

I'd rather be under assad than under ISIS...



Religious minorities and others were protected under assad, but under ISIS they are murdered and the women and children raped and openly sold as slaves.




Dodge... it is well known that the rebels were the ones using chemical weapons... th

Twatty, did Assad use chemical weapons?

I think it would be best if both are removed which is a no brainer, but sadly those with limited strategic knowledge wish to continue the conflict in the same vein.

Try reading the articles dodge...






http://www.globalresearch.ca/syria-un-mission-report-confirms-that-opposition-rebels-used-chemical-weapons-against-civilians-and-government-forces/5363139

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-mainstream-now-admits-that-the-syrian-rebels-have-chemical-weapons/5363039

http://www.rt.com/news/sarin-gas-turkey-al-nusra-021/

http://www.rt.com/news/turkey-syria-chemicals-seized-207/

Officials Fear ISIS Militants Could Be Among Europe's Refugees



European officials have expressed increasing concerns about militants from the Islamic State group posing as refugees to enter the European Union, as those countries take in hundreds of thousands of refugees from Syria, Afghanistan and beyond fleeing civil wars and violence. Media reports appear to have bolstered those fears, with Hungarian media reporting Tuesday that “Islamist terrorists, disguised as refugees, have showed up in Europe,” RT reported.

"Pictures were uploaded on various social networks to show that terrorists are now present in most European cities," Hungarian M1 television reported. "Many, who are now illegal immigrants, fought alongside Islamic State before," it added. It was unclear if the suspected militants had been arrested or detained.

Hungary has come under the spotlight in recent weeks for trying to stem the tide of refugees from the Middle East and North Africa, including by preventing them from boarding trains to Germany. At the same time, the possibility that militants and fighters could be scattered among humanitarian refugees presents a serious concern for European cities and countries.

http://www.ibtimes.com/isis-hungary-refugees-enter-europe-officials-fear-islamic-state-militants-could-be-2088752?ft=643ja

Again Twatty has Assad used chemical weapons?

Not sure how many times you need to be asked before you actually answer

One last chance

Sassy was saying assad had used chemical weapons... when the truth was that it was the Syrian rebels/ISIS...

She was 100% correct, as seen by the fact he has.

Doh

http://www.globalresearch.ca/syria-un-mission-report-confirms-that-opposition-rebels-used-chemical-weapons-against-civilians-and-government-forces/5363139

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-mainstream-now-admits-that-the-syrian-rebels-have-chemical-weapons/5363039

http://www.rt.com/news/sarin-gas-turkey-al-nusra-021/

http://www.rt.com/news/turkey-syria-chemicals-seized-207/


Read the links...

I have read them, did you read mine dummy?

She was right and you jumped in looking a total dick as per usual

Wrong... it was a lie based on media bullshit.


The Syrian rebels/ISIS were responsible for the chemical weapons attacks in question.

Nope, you are wrong dummy as per usual

How am I wrong!?


The proposed intervention was based on the lie that assaa had used chemical weapons... which was still being touted by Sassy as true.


IT was the Syrian rebels/ISIS who were responsible for the chemical weapons attacks in question.


Read the above links and check the dates to confirm time line and the facts.

You claimed sassy was wrong

You fucked up

It took you 6 posts just to answer one question on whether Assad had used chemical weapons

She claimed the chemical weapons attacks that were being used to try to justify military action was by assad when they were by the Syrian rebels/ISIS.


So, yes, she was wrong.

No you were wrong

How was I wrong when I have shown you the evidence that proves I was right!!


Read the links I gave earlier dodge and stop being a twat.

I will ask again, did Assad use chemical weapons?

Then why did the West seek to aid militias?

Read the links dodge... the rebels/ISIS were the ones behind the chemical weapons attacks... they also managed to smuggle loads of it into turkey and were caught in raids.



REad the links!!!


Stop being a twat!!!

Try again

I will ask again, did Assad use chemical weapons?

Then why did the West seek to aid militias?

Tommy Monk wrote:Wrong... it was a lie based on media bullshit.


The Syrian rebels/ISIS were responsible for the chemical weapons attacks in question.

You're right of course but You're wasting your breath mate.

Walter isn't interested in the truth,can't you see what he is doing??

All he is doing is trying to derail the thread because he has lost the argument and now needs to spam the thread with utter shit to the point where the thread becomes boring to other posters and gets kicked into the long grass

I should know ,the dog dragged me down his rabbit hole often enough.

smelly-bandit wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Wrong... it was a lie based on media bullshit.


The Syrian rebels/ISIS were responsible for the chemical weapons attacks in question.

You're right of course but You're wasting your breath mate.

Walter isn't interested in the truth,can't you see what he is doing??

All he is doing is trying to derail the thread because he has lost the argument and now needs to spam the thread with utter shit to the point where the thread becomes boring to other posters and gets kicked into the long grass

I should know ,the dog dragged me down his rabbit hole often enough.

Of course he is wrong Dutchman, he is even more stupid than you are
Seriously even if we pitched your brains together you woud still be at a 5 year olds level

I know you need eachs others support but as seen you cannot even counter sassy's claim

I know smelly...


But one last link to prove it was not assad responsible for the chemical weapons attacks but was actually the Syrian rebels who were responsible...


https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/12/16/pers-d16.html

Christie wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:Well all you have to do is look at this plan and if it has any bearing to what has happened?
Iran has now come to an agreement with the US, so I am not sure his claims seem viable or they have certainly changed. Do not forget he has had political ambitions also.

I'll need to read up on it more when I have time. First time I've came across it and thought wow, America has set out deliberately with no provocation to plan attacks on countries willy nilly for no reason. Or maybe I have that wrong? Work beckons, shall be back later today.

once you start really looking into what the U.S. Are capable of you'll never believe anything they say again lol

world socialist website


ha ha ha ha


Twatty just made my day

ha ha ha ha

Tommy Monk wrote:I know smelly...


But one last link to prove it was not assad responsible for the chemical weapons attacks but was actually the Syrian rebels who were responsible...


https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/12/16/pers-d16.html

Of course it was Isis,

I remember the bullshit of it all and how the media as usual just made shit up

They do it all the time,remember when Israel attacked Gaza a few years back

The media had loads of pictures of damage caused by Israel,it was later proved to be photo shopped and the outlet responsible had to retract it

Then on a different occasion the media paid local Palestinian teenagers to pose and stage act for pictures which they kept for a later date

Do you think that either sassy or Walter would admit to the pictures being fake?

Not a shit ,they press forward with their adgendas knowing full well it's based on lies

But hey,the left-wing liberal motto:

"never let the truth stand in in the way of a good lie"

eddie wrote:

Christie wrote:

I'll need to read up on it more when I have time. First time I've came across it and thought wow, America has set out deliberately with no provocation to plan attacks on countries willy nilly for no reason. Or maybe I have that wrong? Work beckons, shall be back later today.

once you start really looking into what the U.S. Are capable of you'll never believe anything they say again lol

And what gov't would you trust??

It's quoting the UN report dodge, you bell end!!!



And widely reported all over the place!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:It's quoting the UN report dodge, you bell end!!!



And widely reported all over the place!!!

Really, where is this UN report Tommy that also suspercedes when the Allies starting to helping



In your own time dummy

smelly-bandit wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:I know smelly...


But one last link to prove it was not assad responsible for the chemical weapons attacks but was actually the Syrian rebels who were responsible...


https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/12/16/pers-d16.html

Of course it was Isis,

I remember the bullshit of it all and how the media as usual just made shit up

They do it all the time,remember when Israel attacked Gaza a few years back

The media had loads of pictures of damage caused by Israel,it was later proved to be photo shopped and the outlet responsible had to retract it

Then on a different occasion the media paid local Palestinian teenagers to pose and stage act for pictures which they kept for a later date

Do you think that either sassy or Walter would admit to the pictures being fake?

Not a shit ,they press forward with their adgendas knowing full well it's based on lies

But hey,the left-wing liberal motto:

"never let the truth stand in in the way of a good lie"

Blimey that has to be the most idiotic post you have made yet

Yes the pallywood industry is very good at photoshopping but they did not photoshop thousands of homes actually destroyed you diiot

I defend Israel from crap claimed and you just make it even worse when you come out with such a daft statement

You and sassy are two extremes of the same spectrum

Israel did actually bomb and destroy parts of gaza, they do not deny this.

smelly-bandit wrote:

Eilzel wrote:Haha, I'd be interested in his view, tell him I said hi, and look forward to debating with him in a few years time

I'm sure some have guilt, but not most. And no one here on NF (well, maybe veya...). Yet you were quick to take what smelly said at face value, and discard Quill's brilliant response,

Labels aren't ideal, but they can at least allow us to identify why we think differently. I am quite internationally minded; you are more family oriented, extending to greater concern for local issues (understandable given the various developments in both our lives). Neither of us is wrong, but it would be refreshing if you could see how people can show greater concern for more global causes over national ones without it simply being anti- anything x

But im wrong am i??

I also tend towards concern for local and national interest over international issues

That makes me a racist, a little Englander according to you

Sooooooo

Yes, you are wrong about the guilt thesis.  Guilt is more of an individual psychosis, not a collective phenomenon.  I think what you are struggling to express, albeit in as negative light as you can, is concern.  Picking up where we left off, I mentioned that, where conservatives are scriptwriters for their selfish ideology, liberals are problem solvers.  That explains your penchant for describing liberals, and their penchant for helping others.

In every society, and every ideology, there are frayed edges in the fabric, in which flaws present themselves.  Sheldon Wolin, "Political Theory as a Vocation", American Political Science Review (Dec. 1969).  These are called anomalies, after Thomas Kuhn's epic essay, The Structure of Scientific Rebolution (1962).  These anomalies are always inherent in the ideology, but they might be flaws that appear as a result of events or catastrophes (as with these refugees).  For the liberal, they are concerns.  The liberal wants action...she or he wants to do something.

Conservatives are more given to cynicism and sitting around contemplating their navels (as befits their precious wealth and genteel lifestyle).   They would rather attempt to pontificate than fix things.  Life is good for wealthy conservatives, in the main, and so why change things?

So they lounge around and try fit the square peg of "Guilt" into the round hole of necessity.  That's all your thesis is, smells.  An apology and something to do while you look appalled and hysterically suck your thumb.

Each of us makes a decision.  Do we want to help refugees--there but for fortune go we--or do we want to narrowly clutch onto our pitiful lives and possessions, and shiver to the challenge to our precious ideology?  Ironically, the liberals are the brave ones, and want to face the plight.  The conservatives want to assume the fetal position in their overstuffed chairs, and treat the challenge as a storm to be waited out.

June this year:

Syrian doctors to show the US evidence of Assad’s use of chemical weapons
Testimony before US Congress will be accompanied by dossier documenting 31 chlorine attacks between March and June


   A Syrian man receives treatment at the Sarmin field hospital following a suspected chlorine gas attack by Assad forces in Idlib, Syria, in April 2015. Photograph: Anadolu Agency/Getty Images  
Alice Ross and  Shiv Malik
Tuesday 16 June 2015 13.13 BST   Last modified on Wednesday 17 June 2015 00.00 BST  

A network of Syrian doctors is due to tell the US Congress that Bashar al-Assad’s regime is systematically weaponising chlorine to spread fear among civilian populations, in defiance of a recent UN security council resolution.
The testimony on Wednesday will be accompanied by a dossier of evidence compiled by the Syrian American Medical Society (Sams), a charity that runs 95 medical facilities inside the country. It documents 31 separate chlorine attacks between 16 March and 9 June. The charity says all the attacks were conducted by launching barrel bombs from helicopters and many targeted civilian areas, leaving 10 dead and at least 530 people seeking medical treatment.


   


Children receiving treatment from a suspected chlorine attack in Al Kastan, Syria, 7 June. Photograph: Sams  
The dossier, which has been seen by the Guardian, provides US lawmakers with data, photos and videos that Sams says were taken in the aftermath of chlorine bombings in a province of Syria recently overrun by militants, including the al-Qaida-affiliated al-Nusra Front.
The Guardian has been unable to verify the material, which includes videos and photos of adults and children struggling to breathe, often wearing oxygen masks. Some are retching, while others are being stripped and hosed down to remove chemical residue.
Sams also provided the Guardian with a redacted list of basic patient information for 221 people treated for chlorine exposure. According to that list, 57 were under 18.

The lead medical coordinator for Sams in Idlib province, Dr Mohamed Tennari, has flown to Washington DC and has been invited to testify in front of the House foreign affairs committee on Wednesday morning. Tennari will say that although chlorine is less likely to kill than conventional weapons, it has created a “new type of psychological torture” for the Syrian people. He told the Guardian: “We would like to see a no-fly zone and increasing help being provided to refugees.”
The Sams data only reflects attacks that have been confirmed by the charity’s own facilities, and only those taking place in Idlib province. Other activists, including the White Helmets, a volunteer rescue service who will also testify at the hearing, have reported further incidents in the adjoining Hama province.
Recent reports suggest that militant forces in Syria, including Isis, are developing a chemical weapons capability of their own. Isis are understood to have used chlorine in Iraq. However, Sams said that all the attacks in their data were launched from helicopters, which are only operated by the Assad regime.



The aftermath of the chlorine gas attack in Sarmin  
The Syrian president has denied that his forces have deployed chlorine. Although the chemical is widely available, its weaponisation is strictly banned under international law. In an interview with France 2 on 20 April, Assad said there was no proof of chlorine use in attacks on Idlib city.
“This is another fake narrative by the western governments … The regular armaments that we have are more influential than chlorine, so we don’t need it anyway,” he said. “We didn’t use it. We don’t need to use it. We have our regular armaments, and we could achieve our goals without it. So, we don’t use it. No, there’s no proof.”
Tennari, who set up a field hospital in Sarmin four years ago, will tell US lawmakers that the vast majority of chlorine attacks identified by Sams occur at night. The barrels do not explode. Instead the vapour seeps silently into houses and sinks down into basements where residents are likely to be sheltering from conventional explosives. There the toxic gas can choke its victims as it reacts inside the lungs to produce liquid hydrochloric acid.
Tennari told the Guardian that chlorine attacks were being used by the Assad regime to push people out of areas it no longer controlled. “This is a form of collective punishment by the government,” he is expected to tell US lawmakers.


UN vows to act against perpetrators of Syria chemical weapons attacks

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He will describe chaotic scenes following the first and largest attack recorded in the dossier, which took place on 16 March, as scores of patients had to be treated with atropine and oxygen. Shortly before the attack, he says he heard helicopters.
“An announcement blared through my walkie-talkie and through mosque speakers of Sarmin that explosive barrel bombs had been dropped. They said that the barrels were filled with poisonous gas; it was a chemical attack.”
As he left his house to head to the hospital, he could smell bleach. “When I arrived at the hospital, a wave of people had already begun to arrive. They were all experiencing symptoms of exposure to a choking agent like chlorine gas. Everyone was decontaminated with water before coming into the hospital, and their clothes were taken off of them. Dozens of people had difficulty breathing, with their eyes and throats burning, and many began secreting [fluid] from the mouth.”
He said as he treated those victims, helicopters dropped two further chlorine-filled barrels. Sams reports chlorine bombs landing in both Sarmin and Qaminas that night, leaving 120 people needing treatment.
The hospital also recorded that Waref Taleb, a local electrician, was killed along with his wife, 65-year-old mother and three young children when one barrel exploded in their home.
Human Rights Watch independently investigated this attack and corroborated these findings. It reported that 30 civilians and 40 rebel fighters were affected in the Qaminas attack alone.
Chemical weapons expert Hamish de Bretton-Gordon said he and others working alongside him in Syria had separately confirmed chlorine use from samples taken from the destroyed Taleb family home on 16 March.
“I have absolutely no doubt, it was chlorine,” he said. “It smelt like chlorine, it looked like chlorine and three different tests said it was chlorine.”


   
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The basement of the Taleb family’s home after being hit by a chlorine-filled barrel bomb. Photograph: Sarmin field hospital  
He added that although chlorine wasn’t itself considered to be a particularly toxic chemical of war, its psychological impact was devastating.
“People I know and speak to in Syria are still absolutely terrified by chlorine. I tell them that it is not really that poisonous, but their line is always that ‘we can hide from bombs and bullets … but we can’t hide from gas’. And that psychological weapon is I think the key thing why Assad still uses it.”
In recent months there has been increasing momentum within the international community to tackle the issue of chemical weapons use in Syria.
On 6 March, the UN security council passed a resolution condemning the use of chlorine as a weapon and threatening action, including possible military action, if such attacks occurred. But it is not clear what steps the security council will take if the regime is found in breach.
Although the international body for monitoring chemical weapons, the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), is understood to be investigating this latest alleged spate of chlorine attacks, its current mandate from the UN does not allow it to assign blame for such attacks.
However, speaking from Camp David a month ago, the US president, Barack Obama, said if the US itself managed to confirm further chlorine use it would “once again work with the international community” and “reach out to patrons of Assad like Russia to put a stop to it”.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/16/syria-assad-regime-is-weaponising-chlorine-us-congress-to-hear

ISIS have used chemicals, but the first time and for a long time afterwards, and what caused Cameron to want to bomb Assad, it was proved to be Assad, 100%

Contrary to what Smelly said, I don't advocate bombing Assad.  I do agree with the Syrian people and those that are dealing with the situation on the ground, that a no fly zone should be imposed, which would improve the lives of those struggling to live in the region considerably.

smelly-bandit wrote:

eddie wrote:

Christie wrote:

I'll need to read up on it more when I have time. First time I've came across it and thought wow, America has set out deliberately with no provocation to plan attacks on countries willy nilly for no reason. Or maybe I have that wrong? Work beckons, shall be back later today.

once you start really looking into what the U.S. Are capable of you'll never believe anything they say again lol

And what gov't would you trust??

I don't trust any big groups who hold all the power