'I support Ukip,'(and the SNP) says Moors murderer Ian Brady

Nemesis wrote:

darknessss wrote:since basic economics seems beyond you I'll make it simple

If I wanted (as I used to ) make toys

becasue I cant buy 5 01 20 trees worth of timber at once

virtually EVERY piece of timber I buy HAS to be tested (at £100 a test)

this means that each toy is going to have a starting penalty of £100 on it

so each (mediun sized) toy I make is going to cost OVER £100 immeidtely thats with no profit or costs covered

BIG business buys 20 TREES

and pays £2000 to have them tested

each tree will make 1000+ toys

so the starting penalty on THEIR product is ......10p....thats right TEN PENCE


and thats just the cost of production

then there is the cost of regualtory "recording"

  


That is your argument Timber

Thank you for making me laugh.


No economics I am very good on thanks.

I agree with the money put on this as Trees are part of the environment.

then make the big boys pay the same PER ARTICLE.....then we have an even footing

You thinking again of your own pocket

well I could simply pack it up and live on the state......

That is called being selfish

so you in you fat headed arrogance think it should be ok for me to live at poverty levels then..


WELL FUCK YOU >>>>>

blocked....

Help small firms thrive in new markets

be nice to see some "help" pfffft.....


With nearly nine in ten (88%) small UK exporters trading within Europe,(I dont even want to trade in EUROPE) it is essential that MEPs prise open the Single Market and help small businesses thrive in new markets.

Nemesis wrote:No some people are just selfish beyond belief and only think of themselves.

I pity those who blame others for their own failings, to correct a wrong, you lead by example and show others the way.

which is why I'm now working for UKIP.....the way is........OUT

oh and how can legislation....over which I have NO control .....be "my own failing"????

by that argument ALL benefits should be stopped forth with ...since everyone on benefits is there due to their own failings (your argument ...not mine)

I pity those who think the world owes them everything, because they fail to see if it was not for others before them, they would not have the benefits of the life they live well today.

all the E>U owes me is a level playing field.....it doesnt give that

I pity those envious, that they cannot be happy for others, that they are filled with bitterness.

darknessss wrote:

Nemesis wrote:No some people are just selfish beyond belief and only think of themselves.

I pity those who blame others for their own failings, to correct a wrong, you lead by example and show others the way.

which is why I'm now working for UKIP.....the way is........OUT

oh and how can legislation....over which I have NO control .....be "my own failing"????

by that argument ALL benefits should be stopped forth with ...since everyone on benefits is there due to their own failings (your argument ...not mine)

I pity those who think the world owes them everything, because they fail to see if it was not for others before them, they would not have the benefits of the life they live well today.

all the E>U owes me is a level playing field.....it doesnt give that

I pity those envious, that they cannot be happy for others, that they are filled with bitterness.

Tommy Monk wrote:Keep calm and vote UKIP!!!

darknessss wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

You're not really that dumb, are you? The reason these things are important to the left is that people on the right try to dictate how you have to live if you're to make it in society. Did I ever tell you my own father turned down a qualified job applicant years ago just because he could "tell" the applicant was gay?

Let's see -- I bet equality of opportunity was pretty important to that applicant. What do you think?

so your father was a r/w er??


what part of BOTH sides being short of wisdom do you miss....


gawd its lonely being the only evolved person on here.....


see...i dont give a freakin shit wheter some one is gay black white pink green religious athiest big dick no dick

just STOP ferkin about with MY life with your constant bickering

ME...for gawds sake ...I just want to make a living and NOT have your "collective noses" poked into MY life....

I REALLY dont care if the bloke next door is a (whatever).....as long as his (whateverness) does not pose a threat to my (whateverness)

Right and left......should round the lot up and stand em against a brick wall......

Ben_Reilly wrote:

darknessss wrote:"Yes, we on the left want total control, that's why we're the ones saying it's awesome if you want to be a gay atheist stay-at-home dad, or a transgender Muslim CEO, or part of a married white Christian heterosexual couple with a house in the suburbs and 2.4 children."


See this is WHY the left are pillocks,
The above is important to them, indeed to the exclusion of almost everything else(unless it involves screwing with and interfering with peoples lives)

and the right is no better because the same (but from the converse view ) applies

terminally stupid the lot of em

to me those issues are...irrelevant

to the point of not even worth considering.....

lets think......does being gay harm anyone???

erm...nope.......

so WHATS THE FERKING FUSS ABOUT????

etc


both left and right focus on trivia that is wrongly used for control....

seriously both sides...grow up.....

You're not really that dumb, are you? The reason these things are important to the left is that people on the right try to dictate how you have to live if you're to make it in society. Did I ever tell you my own father turned down a qualified job applicant years ago just because he could "tell" the applicant was gay?

Let's see -- I bet equality of opportunity was pretty important to that applicant. What do you think?

Nemesis wrote:Still "me, me, me" Darkness

Again we act collectively for each other, not just you.
Again you benefit from the few innovative people before you in history that advanced our nation which has created you having a much benefited life over others around the world.
You were born needing help, as we all are, others helped you, of which none of us would have survived without such help.
You even had to learn to shoot and hunt, without that help, you would be helpless.
Remember that, you were advantaged based off others.

So you want to join the other 14% of "me, me, me" voters.



On that I wish you good luck lol


Night

Raggamuffin wrote:

darknessss wrote:

so your father was a r/w er??


what part of BOTH sides being short of wisdom do you miss....


gawd its lonely being the only evolved person on here.....


see...i dont give a freakin shit wheter some one is gay black white pink green religious athiest big dick no dick

just STOP ferkin about with MY life with your constant bickering

ME...for gawds sake ...I just want to make a living and NOT have your "collective noses" poked into MY life....

I REALLY dont care if the bloke next door is a (whatever).....as long as his (whateverness) does not pose a threat to my (whateverness)

Right and left......should round the lot up and stand em against a brick wall......

Not liking gay people doesn't necessarily make someone "right wing".

Raggamuffin wrote:

Nemesis wrote:Still "me, me, me" Darkness

Again we act collectively for each other, not just you.
Again you benefit from the few innovative people before you in history that advanced our nation which has created you having a much benefited life over others around the world.
You were born needing help, as we all are, others helped you, of which none of us would have survived without such help.
You even had to learn to shoot and hunt, without that help, you would be helpless.
Remember that, you were advantaged based off others.

So you want to join the other 14% of "me, me, me" voters.



On that I wish you good luck lol


Night

Are you suggesting that people who vote for parties other than UKIP are doing so for the benefit of others rather than for their own benefit?

Nemesis wrote:Still "me, me, me" Darkness

Again we act collectively for each other, not just you.
Again you benefit from the few innovative people before you in history that advanced our nation which has created you having a much benefited life over others around the world.
You were born needing help, as we all are, others helped you, of which none of us would have survived without such help.
You even had to learn to shoot and hunt, without that help, you would be helpless.
Remember that, you were advantaged based off others.

So you want to join the other 14% of "me, me, me" voters.



On that I wish you good luck lol


Night

darknessss wrote:

Nemesis wrote:Still "me, me, me" Darkness

Again we act collectively for each other, not just you.
Again you benefit from the few innovative people before you in history that advanced our nation which has created you having a much benefited life over others around the world.
You were born needing help, as we all are, others helped you, of which none of us would have survived without such help.
You even had to learn to shoot and hunt, without that help, you would be helpless.
Remember that, you were advantaged based off others.

So you want to join the other 14% of "me, me, me" voters.



On that I wish you good luck lol


Night

once this pathetic and well worn chestnut comes out i know i have the right of it,,,,

Nemesis wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Are you suggesting that people who vote for parties other than UKIP are doing so for the benefit of others rather than for their own benefit?

No, I am making a generalization of the type of people that vote for UKIP.
That they tend to be selfish.
Which is very apparent from the UKIP supporters I have come across.
Of course I could be wrong if I was to say  all UKIP, but the evidence again of those who I have come across think mainly and only of their own self interests.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Nemesis wrote:


No, I am making a generalization of the type of people that vote for UKIP.
That they tend to be selfish.
Which is very apparent from the UKIP supporters I have come across.
Of course I could be wrong if I was to say  all UKIP, but the evidence again of those who I have come across think mainly and only of their own self interests.

Most people do that though. They vote for the party which they think will make them better off, or give them something that they want.

Nemesis wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Most people do that though. They vote for the party which they think will make them better off, or give them something that they want.

Is that why the NHS is the most pressing concern of the election then?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Nemesis wrote:



Is that why the NHS is the most pressing concern of the election then?

Probably. Most people go to the doctor at some stage, and I would say that most people need treatment for something at some stage.

Nemesis wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Probably. Most people go to the doctor at some stage, and I would say that most people need treatment for something at some stage.

The NHS benefits all, of which some people do not need, so clearly the view is far from selfish, especially when many people are prepared to pay more into.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Nemesis wrote:


The NHS benefits all, of which some people do not need, so clearly the view is far from selfish, especially when many people are prepared to pay more into.

Nonsense. People that are concerned about the NHS are the ones who use it - ie, most people.

Nemesis wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Nonsense. People that are concerned about the NHS are the ones who use it - ie, most people.

Utter bollocks:



http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/15/voters-tax-fund-nhs-poll

Raggamuffin wrote:I bet they don't pay for prescriptions - if they did, that would help.

Nemesis wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:I bet they don't pay for prescriptions - if they did, that would help.

Utter bollocks again

If people are willing to pay more tax, that means people earning, then they would pay for prescriptions.

That is a fact.

People not willing to pay into such a system would back a private system


That means many unselfishly care for the NHS, which helps many people in need of its use.

darknessss wrote:people will vote first and foremost for whoever promises what is likely to benefit THEM

secondly for those who promise things that benefit other people, IF and (only if) those promises dont disbenefit the voter (i.e the effect is neutral to the voter)

they are most unlikely to vote for someone who promises something that benefits others if that promise disbenefits the voter.

Nemesis wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Nonsense. People that are concerned about the NHS are the ones who use it - ie, most people.

Utter bollocks:



http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/15/voters-tax-fund-nhs-poll

Nemesis wrote:

darknessss wrote:people will vote first and foremost for whoever promises what is likely to benefit THEM

secondly for those who promise things that benefit other people, IF and (only if) those promises dont disbenefit the voter (i.e the effect is neutral to the voter)

they are most unlikely to vote for someone who promises something that benefits others if that promise disbenefits the voter.

You have it the wrong being as the NHS is first concern at present.
As this does not necessarily benefit the voter, but it certainly benefits others.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Nemesis wrote:



Utter bollocks again

If people are willing to pay more tax, that means people earning, then they would pay for prescriptions.

That is a fact.

People not willing to pay into such a system would back a private system


That means many unselfishly care for the NHS, which helps many people in need of its use.

Bollox. There's nothing unselfish about caring about the NHS.

Nemesis wrote:

darknessss wrote:people will vote first and foremost for whoever promises what is likely to benefit THEM

secondly for those who promise things that benefit other people, IF and (only if) those promises dont disbenefit the voter (i.e the effect is neutral to the voter)

they are most unlikely to vote for someone who promises something that benefits others if that promise disbenefits the voter.

You have it the wrong being as the NHS is first concern at present.
As this does not necessarily benefit the voter, but it certainly benefits others.

Nemesis wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Bollox. There's nothing unselfish about caring about the NHS.

lol, read what you wrote, you just agreed with me

Raggamuffin wrote:

Nemesis wrote:



You have it the wrong being as the NHS is first concern at present.
As this does not necessarily benefit the voter, but it certainly benefits others.

How do you know who all those people are going to vote for? They might be planning to vote for UKIP.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Nemesis wrote:

lol, read what you wrote, you just agreed with me

No I didn't.

darknessss wrote:

Nemesis wrote:



You have it the wrong being as the NHS is first concern at present.
As this does not necessarily benefit the voter, but it certainly benefits others.

and again you prove either you cant or dont read and understand the post

option 3

Nemesis wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

How do you know who all those people are going to vote for? They might be planning to vote for UKIP.

Stop being stupid please Rags.


Most polled, think the NHS is the most pressing concern.

Most UKIP think immigration is the most pressing concern.

The later is a selfish view

Nemesis wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

No I didn't.

lol you did

Raggamuffin wrote:

Nemesis wrote:



Stop being stupid please Rags.


Most polled, think the NHS is the most pressing concern.

Most UKIP think immigration is the most pressing concern.

The later is a selfish view

You mean most polled out of 2,070 people.

There's nothing selfish about thinking that immigration is a pressing concern.  

Raggamuffin wrote:

Nemesis wrote:



lol you did

In what way?

Nemesis wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You mean most polled out of 2,070 people.

There's nothing selfish about thinking that immigration is a pressing concern.  

You mean many polls.


Of course immigration is a selfish concern.

It is just people looking to make a new life for themselves of which British people do the same and yet nobody claims British people should not also migrate.

Hence it is a very selfish view

Nemesis wrote:

darknessss wrote:


and again you prove either you cant or dont read and understand the post

option 3

Yes I did read your babble, it was utter bollocks.

Is that clear enough for you?

Nemesis wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

In what way?

Go back and read for yourself and stop boring me at your own mistake


You are just after being shown to be wrong on the points on the NHS being silly

Raggamuffin wrote:

Nemesis wrote:



You mean many polls.


Of course immigration is a selfish concern.

It is just people looking to make a new life for themselves of which British people do the same and yet nobody claims British people should not also migrate.

Hence it is a very selfish view

It wasn't most anyway, it was 49% - the other 51% either didn't want to pay more tax or didn't give a stuff.

Those who are opposed to immigration might be concerned about other British people being deprived of housing or jobs, so they're not necessarily being selfish.

darknessss wrote:

Nemesis wrote:



Yes I did read your babble, it was utter bollocks.

Is that clear enough for you?

yes you arrogant bastard...it is ......

sober up, get off the smokies or whatever...or see your shrink...I dont care ...but untill then....screw you ....