How Was The Great Pyramid At Giza Constructed?

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In this article, John McCauley uses his experience as an Architect and Construction Manager to critically analyse the construction scheme for building the Khufu pyramid and the popular theory of the use of an internal ramp.

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There has been an innumerable quantity of books written about the construction of the pyramids at Giza, Egypt. So too have there been any number of different theories on how the construction of these pyramids was accomplished, with each new or expanded theory accompanied by a description stating that it was the “definitive” solution, or “the puzzle finally solved”, etc. Of late, a few authors have focused on the “internal ramp solution” as being the most plausible explanation on how the ancient Egyptians built the Great Pyramid. Indeed, some Archaeologists have also acclaimed this “internal ramp solution” as a creative explanation for this ages-old construction mystery. Most Archaeologists, however, lack the technical training or understanding of the nature of structural forces to make a qualified endorsement of this proposed solution. Let me first state that this “internal ramp solution” represents a complete lack of understanding on how gravity affects structures and why this theory bears no serious thought in the academic world. Before I get into an analysis of why “internal ramps” do not work, let me state very clearly that I honestly do not know exactly how the Great Pyramid was actually built, but I think there are clues that may lead to a reasonable explanation in the future.
Let me first outline some of the facts that we do know about the Great Pyramid of Giza:

• This pyramid appears to be the final evolution of pyramid building that evolved from the mud brick mastabas which were supposedly the resting place of important dignitaries.
  
• The Great Pyramid has only one cartouche above the King’s chamber that purports to indicate that it is the burial chamber of Khufu (Cheops).
  
• This pyramid was covered with smooth white casing stones that partially collapsed after a severe earthquake and were later used as a “quarry” to construct some buildings in Cairo, notably the Mosque and Madrassa of Sultan Hassan (completed in 1359). Some of these stones contained hieroglyphics. The Greek historian Herodotus claims to have seen the Great Pyramid before the casing stones were removed.
  
• If some of the casing stones did contain hieroglyphics and if these stones were scattered around Lower Egypt, finding them and deciphering them could lead to some further understanding as to the construction of the pyramid.
  

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Brasidas wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
YES YES YES and don`t you swear at me pall
your the only idiot hear pall and abusive one at that

Pipe down you little turd, you are in no position to make any demands,
I really am not concerned about a little gimp thinks of me.
Thanks though for proving me right and avoid countless points and claim things not proven and only ideas are facts to you, showing and proving the limitations of your understanding

see thats  your problem in a nut shell you resort to abuse and name calling your a liar ,you are dishonest  in debate you demand answers but don`t give any
you tell everybody there wrong then call them names your a absolute disgrace to your self and you wonder why you get banned so often well look in a mirror pall its all you


edit

ps your also a bit of a dick

korban dallas wrote:

Brasidas wrote:




Pipe down you little turd, you are in no position to make any demands,
I really am not concerned about a little gimp thinks of me.
Thanks though for proving me right and avoid countless points and claim things not proven and only ideas are facts to you, showing and proving the limitations of your understanding

see thats  your problem in a nut shell you resort to abuse and name calling your a liar ,you are dishonest  in debate you demand answers but don`t give any
you tell everybody there wrong then call them names your a absolute disgrace to your self and you wonder why you get banned so often well look in a mirror pall its all you

You started the abuse you idiot, so that is again your own failing, learn net time to be polite, which the conversation was until you decided to act like a child.
Really I tell everyone they are wrong, including the posters that I agree with.
Another fuckwit concept made to just look even more stupid composed by the idiot Korben.
I certainly agree with many posters on here, so that just made you look a complete arse.
Again this can continue to bore the fuck out of the forum with you acting like a 2 year old or you can move on.
Seriously you are making me laugh now bring about about bans, coming from you as a moderator on speafree where the place imploded.
You really are such fun to play with.
Now getback in your gimp box sunshine




Again I could not give a flying fuck what you think of me, you are just proving even more to use deflections from answer the countless points you avoided.
Stop wasting my time little boy

Trouble always follows the usual suspects, things were good here, along they come back and they resume their dummy throwing.
Seriously its time some people learnt to move on and not act like a child,

Brasidas wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
see thats  your problem in a nut shell you resort to abuse and name calling your a liar ,you are dishonest  in debate you demand answers but don`t give any
you tell everybody there wrong then call them names your a absolute disgrace to your self and you wonder why you get banned so often well look in a mirror pall its all you

You started the abuse you idiot, so that is again your own failing, learn net time to be polite, which the conversation was until you decided to act like a child.
Really I tell everyone they are wrong, including the posters that I agree with.
Another fuckwit concept made to just look even more stupid composed by the idiot Korben.
I certainly agree with many posters on here, so that just made you look a complete arse.
Again this can continue to bore the fuck out of the forum with you acting like a 2 year old or you can move on.
Seriously you are making me laugh now bring about about bans, coming from you as a moderator on speafree where the place imploded.
You really are such fun to play with.
Now getback in your gimp box sunshine




Again I could not give a flying fuck what you think of me, you are just proving even more to use deflections from answer the countless points you avoided.
Stop wasting my time little boy

no you started the abuse what you claim as abuse from me is no such thing and only a lonely desperate liar would could not defend his position would try to make it a abuse

your so sad and desperate to drag your self out of the pickle your in you revert to type ...it wan`t unexpected
your known for it

Brasidas wrote:Trouble always follows the usual suspects, things were good here, along they come back and they resume their dummy throwing.
Seriously its time some people learnt to move on and not act like a child,

the usual suspects is that what i am your the guy throwing their dummy out of the pram .....its kind of funny to watch

korban dallas wrote:

Brasidas wrote:


You started the abuse you idiot, so that is again your own failing, learn net time to be polite, which the conversation was until you decided to act like a child.
Really I tell everyone they are wrong, including the posters that I agree with.
Another fuckwit concept made to just look even more stupid composed by the idiot Korben.
I certainly agree with many posters on here, so that just made you look a complete arse.
Again this can continue to bore the fuck out of the forum with you acting like a 2 year old or you can move on.
Seriously you are making me laugh now bring about about bans, coming from you as a moderator on speafree where the place imploded.
You really are such fun to play with.
Now getback in your gimp box sunshine




Again I could not give a flying fuck what you think of me, you are just proving even more to use deflections from answer the countless points you avoided.
Stop wasting my time little boy

no you started the abuse what you claim as abuse from me is no such thing and only a lonely desperate liar would could not defend his position would try to make it a abuse

your so sad and desperate to drag your self out of the pickle your in you revert to type ...it wan`t unexpected
your known for it

you sir obviously couldn't navigate your self out of a paper bag


That is an insult and also mocking me.
Thus you started this all off and like the low life left wing worm that you are, you try to lie and all can see that the above is an insult and meant as an insult.
So time you stopped lying and move on sunshine

korban dallas wrote:

Brasidas wrote:Trouble always follows the usual suspects, things were good here, along they come back and they resume their dummy throwing.
Seriously its time some people learnt to move on and not act like a child,

the usual suspects is that what i am your the guy throwing their dummy out of the pram .....its kind of funny to watch

Seriously how more wound up can you be ha ha ha ha

Step away from the bottle Dodge.

Brasidas wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
no you started the abuse what you claim as abuse from me is no such thing and only a lonely desperate liar would could not defend his position would try to make it a abuse

your so sad and desperate to drag your self out of the pickle your in you revert to type ...it wan`t unexpected
your known for it

you sir obviously couldn't navigate your self out of a paper bag


That is an insult and also mocking me.
Thus you started this all off and like the low life left wing worm that you are, you try to lie and all can see that the above is an insult and meant as an insult.
So time you stopped lying and move on sunshine

Oh bull shit first of all it starts with SIR obviously part of a intended humourus remark AKA blackadder and a common comical start to a humorous remark in the uk ( unless you want to purposely make it something its not as you are trying to do )
you howver used much more abusive language because thats what you are like
a fraud,flimflam merchant and a liar

Brasidas wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
the usual suspects is that what i am your the guy throwing their dummy out of the pram .....its kind of funny to watch

Seriously how more wound up can you be ha ha ha ha

your also dilusional if you think you can wind me up pall er.... no ,very happy sitting smoking a big fat doobie you couldn't wind me up with this pitiful dummy throwing of yours in a thousand years ....dream on also iam not the one calling people names and using abusive language thats all you ....so who`s really wound up ?

korban dallas wrote:

Brasidas wrote:


you sir obviously couldn't navigate your self out of a paper bag


That is an insult and also mocking me.
Thus you started this all off and like the low life left wing worm that you are, you try to lie and all can see that the above is an insult and meant as an insult.
So time you stopped lying and move on sunshine

Oh bull shit first of all it starts with SIR obviously part of a intended humourus remark AKA blackadder and a common comical  start to a humorous remark in the uk  ( unless you want to purposely make it something its not as you are trying to do )
you howver used much more abusive language because thats what you are like
a fraud,flimflam merchant and a liar

Again stop being a pathetic weasel.
That is an insult where an exaggeration is made over how you view my abilities of something to the point you are basically claiming I am useless.
That is an insult and if you fail to comprehend the concept of an insult, then you really are a complete idiot.
You fucked up and started this all and are gutless to admit so.
Fine by me and now you will continue to have no pleasantries from me until you recognise this.

korban dallas wrote:

Brasidas wrote:


Seriously how more wound up can you be ha ha ha ha

your also dilusional if you think you can wind me up pall er.... no ,very happy sitting smoking a big fat doobie you couldn't wind me up with this pitiful dummy throwing of yours in a thousand years ....dream on

So you are drugged up them, which explains the over paranoia in your replies.
Listen junkie, I am not interested that you are a stone head, each to their own, but it fucks up your head, which is very apparent tonight

Oh I will leave you with a piece of advice and this is very true and not meant as an insult. People who generally take and smoke drugs are unhappy and need as they wrongly believe a smoke to make them feel better and happier. It doesn't, all such smoking does is enhance the emotive state you are already in and does not solve the root cause of your unhappiness. You need to deal with that first. Do not attempt to say otherwise, as someone happy does not need artificial stimulation to enhance their moods

Goodnight and sweet dream

Brasidas wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
Oh bull shit first of all it starts with SIR obviously part of a intended humourus remark AKA blackadder and a common comical  start to a humorous remark in the uk  ( unless you want to purposely make it something its not as you are trying to do )
you howver used much more abusive language because thats what you are like
a fraud,flimflam merchant and a liar

Again stop being a pathetic weasel.
That is an insult where an exaggeration is made over how you view my abilities of something to the point you are basically claiming I am useless.
That is an insult and if you fail to comprehend the concept of an insult, then you really are a complete idiot.
You fucked up and started this all and are gutless to admit so.
Fine by me and now you will continue to have no pleasantries from me until you recognise this.

even if you took that one comment as an insult (but you know it was not) i have had a barrage of abuse from you since
so don't try and claim your the aggrieved party you a liar and a con artist a person who`s seemingly only pleasure is acting like a dick head every chance you get
your not worth debating with because your never wrong and everybody else are idiots and you tell them that then give people abuse and name calling when your stupid understanding of the copy and pastes get you in trouble

grow the fuck up dude your embarrassing your self

Brasidas wrote:Oh I will leave you with a piece of advice and this is very true and not meant as an insult. People who generally take and smoke drugs are unhappy and need as they wrongly believe a smoke to make them feel better and happier. It doesn't, all such smoking does is enhance the emotive state you are already in and does not solve the root cause of your unhappiness. You need to deal with that first. Do not attempt to say otherwise, as someone happy does not need artificial stimulation to enhance their moods

Goodnight and sweet dream

yea another topic you know fuck all about

Brasidas wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
your also dilusional if you think you can wind me up pall er.... no ,very happy sitting smoking a big fat doobie you couldn't wind me up with this pitiful dummy throwing of yours in a thousand years ....dream on

So you are drugged up them, which explains the over paranoia in your replies.
Listen junkie, I am not interested that you are a stone head, each to their own, but it fucks up your head, which is very apparent tonight

Lol thats so funny since this whole thread proves i am smarter than you

korban dallas wrote:

Brasidas wrote:


Again stop being a pathetic weasel.
That is an insult where an exaggeration is made over how you view my abilities of something to the point you are basically claiming I am useless.
That is an insult and if you fail to comprehend the concept of an insult, then you really are a complete idiot.
You fucked up and started this all and are gutless to admit so.
Fine by me and now you will continue to have no pleasantries from me until you recognise this.

even if you took that one comment as an insult (but you know it was not) i have had a barrage of abuse from you since  
so don't try and claim your the aggrieved party you a liar and a con artist  a person who`s seemingly only pleasure is acting like a dick head every chance you get  
your not worth debating with because your never wrong and everybody else are idiots and you tell them that then give people abuse and name calling when your stupid understanding of the copy and pastes get you in trouble

grow the fuck up dude your embarrassing your self  

So now you crap on about parity in some feeble attempt to deflect away from the fact you did start this.
Seriously, get a tissue and wipe that egg off your face, as your replies are just getting more and more pathetic by the minute. You open the door to insulting and then whinge about what is thrown back at you, then you only have yourself to blame. If you do not  like abuse and insults, then do not do so yourself, it is that simple and now maybe you will learn, but I very much doubt it.

Night night little one

korban dallas wrote:

Brasidas wrote:


So you are drugged up them, which explains the over paranoia in your replies.
Listen junkie, I am not interested that you are a stone head, each to their own, but it fucks up your head, which is very apparent tonight

Lol thats so funny since this whole thread proves i am smarter than you

Really, one subject which you have proved nothing being as nobody can say how it was done but only guess. This makes you think on one subject you are a far smarter person than me based on all matters?


 

That is Priceless and a sure sign you have insecurities that you need to claim that ha ha

Thanks, that really cracked me up, did you not get hugs as a child or something?

korban dallas wrote:

Brasidas wrote:Oh I will leave you with a piece of advice and this is very true and not meant as an insult. People who generally take and smoke drugs are unhappy and need as they wrongly believe a smoke to make them feel better and happier. It doesn't, all such smoking does is enhance the emotive state you are already in and does not solve the root cause of your unhappiness. You need to deal with that first. Do not attempt to say otherwise, as someone happy does not need artificial stimulation to enhance their moods

Goodnight and sweet dream

yea another topic you know fuck all about

I have a degree in psychology as well as history. I know what I am talking about and being as you take drugs, you would fail to understand, being as you fail to see why you use them or need them.
Its good advice, learn to take some for a change

Brasidas wrote:

korban dallas wrote:


Lol thats so funny since this whole thread proves i am smarter than you

Really, one subject which you have proved nothing being as nobody can say how it was done but only guess. This makes you think on one subject you are a far smarter person than me based on all matters?


 

That is Priceless and a sure sign you have insecurities that you need to claim that ha ha

Thanks, that really cracked me up, did you not get hugs as a child or something?

Had to bump this again because it was so funny.
Right have to sleep now.

I will respond to any more dummy throwing posts you make when nest back on

See ya little one

Brasidas wrote:

korban dallas wrote:


Lol thats so funny since this whole thread proves i am smarter than you

Really, one subject which you have proved nothing being as nobody can say how it was done but only guess. This makes you think on one subject you are a far smarter person than me based on all matters?


 

That is Priceless and a sure sign you have insecurities that you need to claim that ha ha

Thanks, that really cracked me up, did you not get hugs as a child or something?

Not all matters but on this yes
on Egyptian technology and tools yes
on navigation yes
on building...yes
on the ability to understand basic engineering principles and how to use tools and plumb lines and set squares yes

the rest remains to be seen but honestly if you dont understand the former then i don't hold out much hope for you

Brasidas wrote:

Brasidas wrote:






Really, one subject which you have proved nothing being as nobody can say how it was done but only guess. This makes you think on one subject you are a far smarter person than me based on all matters?


 

That is Priceless and a sure sign you have insecurities that you need to claim that ha ha

Thanks, that really cracked me up, did you not get hugs as a child or something?

Had to bump this again because it was so funny.
Right have to sleep now.

I will respond to any more dummy throwing posts you make when nest back on

See ya little one

Bump away the evidence is really not on your side

Brasidas wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
yea another topic you know fuck all about

I have a degree in psychology as well as history. I know what I am talking about and being as you take drugs, you would fail to understand, being as you fail to see why you use them or need them.
Its good advice, learn to take some for a change

hey if you want to talk drugs dude happy to oblige but not on this thread

Brasidas wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
yea another topic you know fuck all about

I have a degree in psychology as well as history. I know what I am talking about and being as you take drugs, you would fail to understand, being as you fail to see why you use them or need them.
Its good advice, learn to take some for a change

psychology as well as history eh!! well bugger me.
to be honest i find that hard to believe given the way you conduct yourself and the abuse to other people you used ,you would think somebody with a degree in psychology would know, aggression as you exhibited if indicative of a troubled mind

also as you have a degree in history, you would think you could do proper research before you post then

for example

your signature
That quote is attributed to Yoko Ono which John Lennon tried to remember on a chat show.
I didn`t want to mention that before as it looks a bit foolish and a product of lazy research and further proof that your copy and pastes you submit are poorly understood by you and not even accurate

perhaps you could do a degree in principles of research ....oh navigation,building as well couldn't hurt

Blimey are you still bitchcing like a little girl.

Most amusing.

I suggest a couple of avenues for you.

Get laid, as you as only people seriously sexually frustrated continue something that has been left and wish to continue a spat.

Learn some humility, as some people have a quest for knowledge.

Learn to move on, something you struggle with because you have not ever known how to move on from being let down. You take too much to heart and why you are so very unhappy. Your self esteem is shot to shit. I could help you but you only want to vent your anger, sadly that is all you know.

Now it is not going to get yo brownie points by continuing in this lame effort you think trying to think I do not have these qualifications. I have them, the fact you are so fixated in your pathetic attempt to try and bring me down shows your insecurities.

Learn to move on and grow up Korben, as you will find you will be farhappier

One thing you are proving Korben, is that you hold such childish grudges.
I moved on but you bumped this up wanting a confrontation.

That really proves you have issue's son, as you cannot let things go.
Quite sad really when yo think about that.
Learn to move on, as happy to continue to fuel your insecurities if that is the path you wish to choose.

Brasidas wrote:Blimey are you still bitchcing like a little girl.

Most amusing.

I suggest a couple of avenues for you.

Get laid, as you as only people seriously sexually frustrated continue something that has been left and wish to continue a spat.

Learn some humility, as some people have a quest for knowledge.


Learn to move on, something you struggle with because you have not ever known how to move on from being let down. You take too much to heart and why you are so very unhappy. Your self esteem is shot to shit. I could help you but you only want to vent your anger, sadly that is all you know.

Now it is not going to get yo brownie points by continuing in this lame effort you think trying to think I do not have these qualifications. I have them, the fact you are so fixated in your pathetic attempt to try and bring me down shows your insecurities.

Learn to move on and grow up Korben, as you will find you will be farhappier

couple of things

1 you said "I will respond to any more dummy throwing posts you make when nest back on"

well i made a couple of posts although not of the dummy throwing variety and you faild to respond as promised .....liar again

2 sexually frustrated ..............OMFG really thats soo funny my eyes are watering up with laughter my wife finds that funny too ...actually she said what a dickhead and i tend to agree

3
Learn to move
As i pointed out in 1 you said you where going to respond to more posts if you want to let this thread die i have no problem with that, As it is glaringly oviouse you don`t want to admit your pitiful faliure to understand the basics of the topic you where discussing a copy and paste man is all that you are   tantums

4 very unhappy. ?
Not really sure how you come to that conclusion i have two great kids been married for 28 years i have no debt if my life could stay exactly as it is forever that would suite me down to the ground
very unhappy ..lol far far from it


not very good at physiology are you your just a bloody fraud with a big mouth

Thank you for proving all of my points and I did little to attempt yo to do so.
So easy its like a moth to a flame.
The way you responded proves I am excellent at psychology.

Thanks Korben

Do you know the finniest part of your reply Korben, that you wold show a post on a forum to your wife that she is not part of.
Your insecurities are running wild son.

Ask yourself this, who needs to justify they are happy sexually by proclaiming they have a wife and that she has then read my comments and laughs.
I know for a fact you may well be married, but you are most certainly unhappy. Nobody needs to provide evidence for happiness, hence why I know you are lying..

Shame really, you need to learn to let go.

Brasidas wrote:Do you know the finniest part of your reply Korben, that you wold show a post on a forum to your wife that she is not part of.
Your insecurities are running wild son.

Ask yourself this, who needs to justify they are happy sexually by proclaiming they have a wife and that she has then read my comments and laughs.
I know for a fact you may well be married, but you are most certainly unhappy. Nobody needs to provide evidence for happiness, hence why I know you are lying..

Shame really, you need to learn to let go.

the funniest part is this gobbledygook you spout,it kind of makes you look stupid as you desperately try to find something to pick at and make uninformed uneducated asinine assumptions
all because you don't understand basic principles and got your stupid arse kicked about a subject you know fuck all about
kind of delicious really

But i thought you wanted the thread bumped that`s what you said .and did as everybody can quite easily check .remember in the last coiuple of posts last night

your not very good at this are you perhaps thas why you are a bit of a laughing stock .....keep up the good work your making me look great
thanks

The funniest part now is you had to wait till I was off line to reply and that you further keep proving my point how wound up you are.
Seriously, thank you for making proving my point how wound up you are
Sadly because you do not believe in yourself, you will always stand in the shadows of others.

Night little one

Brasidas wrote:The funniest part now is you had to wait till I was off line to reply and that you further keep proving my point how wound up you are.
Seriously, thank you for making proving my point how wound up you are
Sadly because you do not believe in yourself, you will always stand in the shadows of others.

Night little one

yes yes yes and bla bla bla just a quick look at the times i posted show once more what a two faced lying fraud you are

I believe your an idiot and every post of these pathetic assumptions and digs and fog you make prove it not only too me but everyone else
keep it up
laughing and loving it

korban dallas wrote:

Brasidas wrote:The funniest part now is you had to wait till I was off line to reply and that you further keep proving my point how wound up you are.
Seriously, thank you for making proving my point how wound up you are
Sadly because you do not believe in yourself, you will always stand in the shadows of others.

Night little one

yes yes yes and bla bla bla just a quick look at the times i posted show once more what a two faced lying fraud you are

I believe your an idiot and every post of these pathetic assumptions and digs and fog you make prove it not only too me but everyone else
keep it up
laughing and loving it    

Again yo prove my point, you are like a dog on a leash.
Every post you prove me right, happy days.

You are so wound up it is fucking hysterical.  

Night dmmy

Brasidas wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
yes yes yes and bla bla bla just a quick look at the times i posted show once more what a two faced lying fraud you are

I believe your an idiot and every post of these pathetic assumptions and digs and fog you make prove it not only too me but everyone else
keep it up
laughing and loving it    

Again yo prove my point, you are like a dog on a leash.
Every post you prove me right, happy days.

You are so wound up it is fucking hysterical.  

Night dmmy

yes obviously you have abandoned the topic you started and are now wanting to let this thread die the only point you have proved is what a
disingenuous fraud you are ,your nothing more that a sanctimonious.self aggrandising fraud who cant admit when he has fucked up and resorts to deflection

your a joke dude and everybody knows it you have proved it in spades on this thread. but hey i will leave you to your crying and bleating and let this thread die
your choice .
i will always reply to anything you can string together yourself in a question or point
Rather the copy and pastes of others work you generally use

oh still not wound up happy watching you beat your self in to a frenzy


i await your reply

Brasidas wrote:The pyramids also encode high mathematics supposedly unknown to the simple ancient Egyptians. To begin with the pyramids are located precisely on the 30th degree latitude and aligned to within 3 arc minutes of true north. These are beyond coincidence so it can be assumed that they could very accurately measure both latitude and longitude. The ratio of the great pyramid’s height to its base perimeter is exactly Pi (3.14). The “Kings Chamber” and other rooms are perfect “golden rectangles” expressing the mystical number Phi 1.618. The ratio between successive numbers in the Fibonacci sequence increasingly approach Phi as you go on from 0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34… the resulting graph is known as the fractal “golden spiral” and looks like a conch shell. Establishment Egyptologists say these mathematical considerations are all coincidence maintaining that ancient Egyptians didn’t possess these concepts. But the reality is, the ancient Egyptians did possess higher math and they purposely encoded it into their construction.

source please....I DO hope its better than ther rest of the site i found that on....jesus H christ....

yo will be telling us next Erich von dainken is a respected researcher rather than a money grabbing opportunist....

try THIS>>> http://www.cheops-pyramide.ch/khufu-pyramid/pyramid-alignment.html


no need for lost knowledge or aliens or anything else ...except some smart engineers......


just remember the longer the string the more accurate the result.........(and that is a scientific FACT.....and I can PROVE it)

darknessss wrote:

Brasidas wrote:The pyramids also encode high mathematics supposedly unknown to the simple ancient Egyptians. To begin with the pyramids are located precisely on the 30th degree latitude and aligned to within 3 arc minutes of true north. These are beyond coincidence so it can be assumed that they could very accurately measure both latitude and longitude. The ratio of the great pyramid’s height to its base perimeter is exactly Pi (3.14). The “Kings Chamber” and other rooms are perfect “golden rectangles” expressing the mystical number Phi 1.618. The ratio between successive numbers in the Fibonacci sequence increasingly approach Phi as you go on from 0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34… the resulting graph is known as the fractal “golden spiral” and looks like a conch shell. Establishment Egyptologists say these mathematical considerations are all coincidence maintaining that ancient Egyptians didn’t possess these concepts. But the reality is, the ancient Egyptians did possess higher math and they purposely encoded it into their construction.

source please....I DO hope its better than ther rest of the site i found that on....jesus H christ....

yo will be telling us next Erich von dainken is a respected researcher rather than a money grabbing opportunist....

try THIS>>>   http://www.cheops-pyramide.ch/khufu-pyramid/pyramid-alignment.html


no need for lost knowledge or aliens or anything else ...except some smart engineers......


just remember the longer the string the more accurate the result.........(and that is a scientific FACT.....and I can PROVE it)

Exactly, the longer the string the less chance of inaccuracies in the angle. Make an angle with a short string and if it is just a fraction out, by the time it gets to any length the width of the inaccuracy gets larger and larger.

darknessss wrote:

Brasidas wrote:The pyramids also encode high mathematics supposedly unknown to the simple ancient Egyptians. To begin with the pyramids are located precisely on the 30th degree latitude and aligned to within 3 arc minutes of true north. These are beyond coincidence so it can be assumed that they could very accurately measure both latitude and longitude. The ratio of the great pyramid’s height to its base perimeter is exactly Pi (3.14). The “Kings Chamber” and other rooms are perfect “golden rectangles” expressing the mystical number Phi 1.618. The ratio between successive numbers in the Fibonacci sequence increasingly approach Phi as you go on from 0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34… the resulting graph is known as the fractal “golden spiral” and looks like a conch shell. Establishment Egyptologists say these mathematical considerations are all coincidence maintaining that ancient Egyptians didn’t possess these concepts. But the reality is, the ancient Egyptians did possess higher math and they purposely encoded it into their construction.

source please....I DO hope its better than ther rest of the site i found that on....jesus H christ....

yo will be telling us next Erich von dainken is a respected researcher rather than a money grabbing opportunist....

try THIS>>>   http://www.cheops-pyramide.ch/khufu-pyramid/pyramid-alignment.html


no need for lost knowledge or aliens or anything else ...except some smart engineers......


just remember the longer the string the more accurate the result.........(and that is a scientific FACT.....and I can PROVE it)

For goodness sake I am no wackadoodle like you Victor and think this was aliens, what I do believe is they have had advance technology, now lost, which is very possible
Err I think you will find this is about accurately aligning a massive building and how they managed to all this off Victor. The fact is there is much room for error based off using upright poles, all of which is being ignored and this is only a proposed idea of how they might have been able to do this.
You and others seem to accept this is how they did it, I certainly do not think this is how they achieved this. Member how accurately this has been aligned, if you think it is so easy like I have stated before I suggest you go and try and replicate this using these same methods and build the base of the great pyramid and let me know how you get on.

Brasidas wrote:

darknessss wrote:

source please....I DO hope its better than ther rest of the site i found that on....jesus H christ....

yo will be telling us next Erich von dainken is a respected researcher rather than a money grabbing opportunist....

try THIS>>>   http://www.cheops-pyramide.ch/khufu-pyramid/pyramid-alignment.html


no need for lost knowledge or aliens or anything else ...except some smart engineers......


just remember the longer the string the more accurate the result.........(and that is a scientific FACT.....and I can PROVE it)

For goodness sake I am no wackadoodle like you Victor and think this was aliens, what I do believe is they have had advance technology, now lost, which is very possible
Err I think you will find this is about accurately aligning a massive building and how they managed to all this off Victor. The fact is there is much room for error based off using upright poles, all of which is being ignored and this is only a proposed idea of how they might have been able to do this.
You and others seem to accept this is how they did it, I certainly do not think this is how they achieved this. Member how accurately this has been aligned, if you think it is so easy like I have stated before I suggest you go and try and replicate this using these same methods and build the base of the great pyramid and let me know how you get on.

nope you are just wackadoodle enough to somehow think I said it was aliens????

as for replicationg it...if I had the cash i'd take you up on that.....

I couldnt afford to build even the base....but I would love to have a couple of sqare miles of dessert to try doing the layout in....

remember...all you need lay out a square with absolute accuracy...is 3,4,5


actually ALL you need is  1.4142135623730950488016887242097 (root 2) and 1.414 is good to 1 part in  1000

and I have seen nothing to suggest the ancients could NOT do the basic arithmetic to work to that level of accuracy

"four sides of the base have an average error of only 58 millimetres in length"  

" Each base side was 440 cubits, 230.4 metres" or 230400mm

230400/58 = 3972.4137931034482758620689655172 so approx 1 part in 4000.

so all they had to be able to measure to was an accuracy of 4mm

not particularly unresonable.....

hint.......... 1.414 is the length of the diagonal of a square who's sides are 1 unit long

The Rhind Papyrus, dating from around 1650 BC, is a kind of instruction manual in arithmetic and geometry, and it gives us explicit demonstrations of how multiplication and division was carried out at that time. It also contains evidence of other mathematical knowledge, including unit fractions, composite and prime numbers, arithmetic, geometric and harmonic means, and how to solve first order linear equations as well as arithmetic and geometric series. The Berlin Papyrus, which dates from around 1300 BC, shows that ancient Egyptians could solve second-order algebraic (quadratic) equations.


http://www.storyofmathematics.com/egyptian.html

In which case it is not in any way remarkable that they could lay out the bases so accurately, nor that they could maintain such accurcy all the way up.

Build a small moat like channel round the base area, fill it with water and excavate it so that the water runs right round and you have it perfect.

darknessss wrote:In which case it is not in any way remarkable that they could lay out the bases so accurately, nor that they could maintain such accuracy all the way up.

No of course its not that remarkable,

claiming so sort of lost advanced lost technology was involved is just uninformed rubbish
they had all the tools and mathematics and man power they needed to build the pyramids

the ONLY legitimate mystery, as i have said  how did the "move" the blocks

And if you think about it ,Easter island,Stonehenge,All the pyramids round the world and stone circles
all with massive blocks used in construction how where they all placed ,did the whole world lose the technology to move large blocks as a species ,leaving absolutely no evidence in any culture  of how........... that's just far fetched rubbish  

the most likely scenario is "man power" ingenuity and sheer bloody determination they had the maths they had the tools (tools still used every day in the building industry)

Unfortunately people  who have little or poor knowledge on these disciplines make all manner of wild assumptions and refuse to admit the evidence presented to them

As any engineer will tell you "K.I.S.S "

Irn Bru wrote:Build a small moat like channel round the base area, fill it with water and excavate it so that the water runs right round and you have it perfect.

you must me from a other planet this technology was beyond us . a moat you say

certainly could explain the water marks round the sphinx ,

there's only one alien on this thread........

korban dallas wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:Build a small moat like channel round the base area, fill it with water and excavate it so that the water runs right round and you have it perfect.

you must me from a other planet this technology was beyond us . a moat you say  

certainly could explain the water marks round the sphinx ,

Given the size of the project they faced, excavating out a narrow water channel would have been one of the easiest problems they had to overcome. Just basic tools really.

Irn Bru wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
you must me from a other planet this technology was beyond us . a moat you say  

certainly could explain the water marks round the sphinx ,

Given the size of the project they faced, excavating out a narrow water channel would have been one of the easiest problems they had to overcome. Just basic tools really.

At least as far back as Aristotle there have been suggestions that perhaps as early as the 12th Dynasty, Pharaoh Senusret III (1878 BC–1839 BC), also called Sesostris, may have started a canal joining the River Nile with the Red Sea. In his Meteorology, Aristotle wrote:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canal_of_the_Pharaohs

So Yup!! no problem at all

darknessss wrote:

Brasidas wrote:

For goodness sake I am no wackadoodle like you Victor and think this was aliens, what I do believe is they have had advance technology, now lost, which is very possible
Err I think you will find this is about accurately aligning a massive building and how they managed to all this off Victor. The fact is there is much room for error based off using upright poles, all of which is being ignored and this is only a proposed idea of how they might have been able to do this.
You and others seem to accept this is how they did it, I certainly do not think this is how they achieved this. Member how accurately this has been aligned, if you think it is so easy like I have stated before I suggest you go and try and replicate this using these same methods and build the base of the great pyramid and let me know how you get on.

nope you are just wackadoodle enough to somehow think I said it was aliens????

as for replicationg it...if I had the cash i'd take you up on that.....

I couldnt afford to build even the base....but I would love to have a couple of sqare miles of dessert to try doing the layout in....
remember...all you need lay out a square with absolute accuracy...is 3,4,5
actually ALL you need is  1.4142135623730950488016887242097 (root 2) and 1.414 is good to 1 part in  1000
and I have seen nothing to suggest the ancients could NOT do the basic arithmetic to work to that level of accuracy
"four sides of the base have an average error of only 58 millimetres in length"  
" Each base side was 440 cubits, 230.4 metres" or 230400mm
230400/58 = 3972.4137931034482758620689655172 so approx 1 part in 4000.
so all they had to be able to measure to was an accuracy of 4mm
not particularly unresonable.....
hint.......... 1.414 is the length of the diagonal of a square who's sides are 1 unit long

Fucking hilarious coming from an eccentric druid who believes in some faith as to why we exist, that makes you the wackadoodle sunshine. I do not think of aliens that built this but men, you believe in aliens as a higher supreme being as your god old timer
This has always been about how not even knowing that there was four cardinal points, which escapes the dingleberry brigade, how they even knew what true north was, but how they cold even map this either using the sun or the stars based on what is claimed they have used and then even more remarkable map it out so accurately to then even build it accurately.

All we have had is possibilities all of them faced with such massive margins for error, for example:


a few scholars have observed that a much simpler method of obtaining the northerly direction is to observe the direction of the shortest shadow of the sun at the solstices. The bisection of the angle formed by two positions of a circumpolar star involves many possibilities of error. First of all the process of bisecting an angle exactly is difficult. Next, the process of determining which positions are opposite involves the use of clocks or an artificial line that is perfectly level. Some scholars, being aware of these possibilities of error, have suggested that there was observed the lowest culmination of a circumpolar star, which would give the North directly. But it is difficult to observe the exact point of the lowest culmination, because near this point the star moves almost horizontally; furthermore, the impact of refraction would be great in the observation of a circumpolar star at its lowest culmination, since the star would be at a narrow angle with the horizon.


I love it when the left wing retards hold hands as if to combat me and look to the national socialist for inspiration.

Brasidas wrote:

darknessss wrote:

nope you are just wackadoodle enough to somehow think I said it was aliens????

as for replicationg it...if I had the cash i'd take you up on that.....

I couldnt afford to build even the base....but I would love to have a couple of sqare miles of dessert to try doing the layout in....
remember...all you need lay out a square with absolute accuracy...is 3,4,5
actually ALL you need is  1.4142135623730950488016887242097 (root 2) and 1.414 is good to 1 part in  1000
and I have seen nothing to suggest the ancients could NOT do the basic arithmetic to work to that level of accuracy
"four sides of the base have an average error of only 58 millimetres in length"  
" Each base side was 440 cubits, 230.4 metres" or 230400mm
230400/58 = 3972.4137931034482758620689655172 so approx 1 part in 4000.
so all they had to be able to measure to was an accuracy of 4mm
not particularly unresonable.....
hint.......... 1.414 is the length of the diagonal of a square who's sides are 1 unit long

Fucking hilarious coming from an eccentric druid who believes in some faith as to why we exist, that makes you the wackadoodle sunshine. I do not think of aliens that built this but men, you believe in aliens as a higher supreme being as your god old timer
This has always been about how not even knowing that there was four cardinal points, (ROFLMFHO) which escapes the dingleberry brigade, how they even knew what true north was, but how they cold even map this either using the sun or the stars based on what is claimed they have used and then even more remarkable map it out so accurately to then even build it accurately.  

All we have had is possibilities all of them faced with such massive margins for error, for example:


a few scholars have observed that a much simpler method of obtaining the northerly direction is to observe the direction of the shortest shadow of the sun at the solstices. The bisection of the angle formed by two positions of a circumpolar star involves many possibilities of error. First of all the process of bisecting an angle exactly is difficult. Next, the process of determining which positions are opposite involves the use of clocks or an artificial line that is perfectly level. Some scholars, being aware of these possibilities of error, have suggested that there was observed the lowest culmination of a circumpolar star, which would give the North directly. But it is difficult to observe the exact point of the lowest culmination, because near this point the star moves almost horizontally; furthermore, the impact of refraction would be great in the observation of a circumpolar star at its lowest culmination, since the star would be at a narrow angle with the horizon.


I love it when the left wing retards hold hands as if to combat me and look to the national socialist for inspiration.

 

once again More fatualy incorrect rubbish from the sites resident expert in everything and perpetual clown

The cardinal directions of a nation or culture express the geographic orientation, and outlook of the group to their local and larger surroundings.  In the classical African framework, man and his cardinal directions were the opposite of what we find today.  The simple proof of this orientation is preserved in the written records from the Old Empire of the Ancient Egyptian’s civilization.

The precise vocabulary they used indicated that man’s body and his geographic systems were oriented towards the Source of the Nile and the ancestoral cultures of the African interior, and not the Mediterranean which might be expected.  I say man’s body because the vocabulary which defines the left and right hand has a linguistic kinship with the vocabulary describing the directions East and West. (See ill. I).

In the old Egyptian language, one finds that the right hand was
called wnmy and the left hand was called iaby. The old Nubian-Egyptians called the West imnt and the East was iabt.

So, if one morning we rise up like an Ancient Egyptian, and stand so our iaby (left) side is facing the rising sun. We will find that we are facing upstream ('south').


http://highculture.8m.com/NubianDirections.htm )



PS remember and change your signature attribution to Yoko Ono

Brasidas wrote:

darknessss wrote:

nope you are just wackadoodle enough to somehow think I said it was aliens????

as for replicationg it...if I had the cash i'd take you up on that.....

I couldnt afford to build even the base....but I would love to have a couple of sqare miles of dessert to try doing the layout in....
remember...all you need lay out a square with absolute accuracy...is 3,4,5
actually ALL you need is  1.4142135623730950488016887242097 (root 2) and 1.414 is good to 1 part in  1000
and I have seen nothing to suggest the ancients could NOT do the basic arithmetic to work to that level of accuracy
"four sides of the base have an average error of only 58 millimetres in length"  
" Each base side was 440 cubits, 230.4 metres" or 230400mm
230400/58 = 3972.4137931034482758620689655172 so approx 1 part in 4000.
so all they had to be able to measure to was an accuracy of 4mm
not particularly unresonable.....
hint.......... 1.414 is the length of the diagonal of a square who's sides are 1 unit long

Fucking hilarious coming from an eccentric druid who believes in some faith as to why we exist, that makes you the wackadoodle sunshine. I do not think of aliens that built this but men, you believe in aliens as a higher supreme being as your god old timer

Really?? prove it.....

Oh and why are you being so bloody rude again...you really cannot stand being corrected can you

its you that believe in the "fantastic" ...you are the one that espouses "lost ancient knowledge" when in fact that is EXACTLY what it is..but not lost..simple basic maths....


This has always been about how not even knowing that there was four cardinal points,

really...? are you trying to tell em that tyey were unaware of the suns rising and setting, the north and south (where the sun sits midday)??

which escapes the dingleberry brigade, how they even knew what true north was, but how they cold even map this either using the sun or the stars based on what is claimed they have used and then even more remarkable map it out so accurately to then even build it accurately.  

All we have had is possibilities all of them faced with such massive margins for error, for example:


a few scholars have observed that a much simpler method of obtaining the northerly direction is to observe the direction of the shortest shadow of the sun at the solstices.

KISS principle...and NO reason why this would not work

deceptive conflation....the above sentence does not in ANY WAY relate to the following lines since the sun IS NOT a "circumpolar star"

The bisection of the angle formed by two positions of a circumpolar star involves many possibilities of error. First of all the process of bisecting an angle exactly is difficult

NOT if you have passed your GCE maths it isnt.....or come to that GCE tech drawing

Next, the process of determining which positions are opposite involves the use of clocks or an artificial line that is perfectly level. Some scholars, being aware of these possibilities of error, have suggested that there was observed the lowest culmination of a circumpolar star, which would give the North directly. But it is difficult to observe the exact point of the lowest culmination, because near this point the star moves almost horizontally; furthermore, the impact of refraction would be great in the observation of a circumpolar star at its lowest culmination, since the star would be at a narrow angle with the horizon.

all the rest of the above is "straw man" to advance a theroy that is unsustainable and quite frankly nonsense....

NOTE that whilst what is said is possibly correct it is inapplicable and irrelevant UNLESS you declare that this is indeed the way they did it...rather than using the "sun is due south at mid day method"


you really should source your info from somewhere OTHER than nuttly loony sites didge...you are slipping....

perhaps something like "in search of ancient god" would be more in your line


I love it when the left wing retards hold hands as if to combat me and look to the national socialist for inspiration.

 

I love it when you show yourself up for a prat ....stick to psychobabble...and away from science and maths....in which fields I can eat you for breakfast...

"BURP"

Corrected by what Victor?
Possible ideas on how they accomplished this and yet you and others are so adamant this is how they did it?
At least I am the one with an open mind on this.
You claim psychobabble and yo are the one into eccentric nonsense on your religion?
Please.

The reality is we have had here best guesses, what I show is room for doubt on them and this makes you think there is any person here wrong?
Nobody is right or wrong, because we do not know, all we can do is guess