Farage Tells Paxman He Has A Problem With Romania And It's Ok To Be Homophobic If You're Old

Tommy Monk wrote:Dodge doing the usual flip flop waffle......!

You need to come up with a new tune, this one's getting stale in a hurry ...

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Dodge doing the usual flip flop waffle......!

You need to come up with a new tune, this one's getting stale in a hurry ...

Indeed Ben, he really is that clueless I am afraid, hey ho, all he does is ignore all evidence presented and keep claiming the same claptrap, mainly because someone as prejudice as he is, has no ability to be impartial and his views are clouded, hence why he fails badly

Hey ho, lets just see him carry on talking to himself, is more fun

 ::D::

Impartial???????



Ha ha ha ha!!!!!!



I've shown an example of blatant flip floping, I've provided comprehensive evidence of facts and figures,



You have only provided one guardian link, cherry picked a bit of bullshit from it, which then got exposed as being completely baseless speculation, then I used the same article to reinforce my claims with it's quoted govt figures!!!



You couldn't make it up!!!


And you say I'm clueless???

This is why Matti is Clueless..

Stats for victims are known and percentages, Matti the idiot goes off convictions, when not knowing how many get away with such crimes.

For example in 2010 convictions it was 2,135.


"Nevertheless it's still a relatively small number of convictions considering child sex abuse is a big problem."

She said last year police in England and Wales were notified of more than 23,000 offences and that recent research by the NSPCC suggested one in 20 secondary school children had been sexually assaulted.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14596811

So we can gauge conviction rates off offences to around 20-30% if offenders have around 1 to 3 victims or those convicted caught.

What else do we know:

An analysis of the calls to ChildLine where children talked about being sexually abused found that 17% of the calls concerned a female abuser. Where the victim of the abuse was a boy then the proportion of male and female abusers was roughly the same (34% and 36% respectively, 30% gender unspecified).


So not only is Matti going off no idea who the offenders are to the abuse of those who are boys, but is going off convictions where as seen there is a low amount of people caught and convicted.

I cannot be bothered to go into more, but this shows why Matti's is clueless and his methodology is flawed, let alone of the men offenders even being homosexuals themselves, of which he has no evidence but a biased view.


Game over, you lost badly

God this debate is going round and round and it's doing my head in!!

Of course some paedo men like boys! I'm not sure it makes them homosexual because some of them are married with kids of their own (think of fathers who abuse sons?)
Some paedo men like girls.

Some paedos are women! And they like boys and girls.

What the fuck does it even matter??
Any human adult who targets children for sex should be shot, thrown to the lions and burned in hell as far as I'm concerned!

I'm not too sure what Matti is really trying to say tbh.

This thread sucks!
And it's off-topic!!   

eddie wrote:God this debate is going round and round and it's doing my head in!!

Of course some paedo men like boys! I'm not sure it makes them homosexual because some of them are married with kids of their own (think of fathers who abuse sons?)
Some paedo men like girls.

Some paedos are women! And they like boys and girls.

What the fuck does it even matter??
Any human adult who targets children for sex should be shot, thrown to the lions and burned in hell as far as I'm concerned!

I'm not too sure what Matti is really trying to say tbh.

This thread sucks!
And it's off-topic!!   

Learning about things and understanding them is the only way you can intervene eddie.

There are a lot of studies - somebody thinks it is a serious subject, even if you don't.

BigAndy9 wrote:

eddie wrote:God this debate is going round and round and it's doing my head in!!

Of course some paedo men like boys! I'm not sure it makes them homosexual because some of them are married with kids of their own (think of fathers who abuse sons?)
Some paedo men like girls.

Some paedos are women! And they like boys and girls.

What the fuck does it even matter??
Any human adult who targets children for sex should be shot, thrown to the lions and burned in hell as far as I'm concerned!

I'm not too sure what Matti is really trying to say tbh.

This thread sucks!
And it's off-topic!!   

Learning about things and understanding them is the only way you can intervene eddie.

There are a lot of studies - somebody thinks it is a serious subject, even if you don't.

Andy a paedo is a paedo! I don't think it matters if he/she was born homosexual or heterosexual.
Perhaps the majority of them are bi-sexual?????

They're sick, vile pieces of shit either way.

eddie wrote:God this debate is going round and round and it's doing my head in!!

Of course some paedo men like boys! I'm not sure it makes them homosexual because some of them are married with kids of their own (think of fathers who abuse sons?)
Some paedo men like girls.

Some paedos are women! And they like boys and girls.

What the fuck does it even matter??
Any human adult who targets children for sex should be shot, thrown to the lions and burned in hell as far as I'm concerned!

I'm not too sure what Matti is really trying to say tbh.

This thread sucks!
And it's off-topic!!   

That's just what I've been saying Eds; but be prepared for matti to copy and paste his spiel again in response...

And yes it's off topic   

eddie wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:


Learning about things and understanding them is the only way you can intervene eddie.

There are a lot of studies - somebody thinks it is a serious subject, even if you don't.

Andy a paedo is a paedo! I don't think it matters if he/she was born homosexual or heterosexual.
Perhaps the majority of them are bi-sexual?????

They're sick, vile pieces of shit either way.

YES it is off topic and yes I agree with your points BUT time and time again Twonky is equating paedophilia with homosexuality. That is where I say NO edds    

David wrote:

eddie wrote:

Andy a paedo is a paedo! I don't think it matters if he/she was born homosexual or heterosexual.
Perhaps the majority of them are bi-sexual?????

They're sick, vile pieces of shit either way.

YES it is off topic and yes I agree with your points BUT time and time again Twonky is equating paedophilia with homosexuality.  That is where I say NO edds    

I agree David.   

Are you trying to say no homosexuals like boys?

Tommy Monk wrote:Are you trying to say no homosexuals like boys?

Cannot believe you are even still posting on this thread after being shown up for using such flawed and idiotic view points.

eddie wrote:God this debate is going round and round and it's doing my head in!!
Of course some paedo men like boys! I'm not sure it makes them homosexual because some of them are married with kids of their own (think of fathers who abuse sons?)
Some paedo men like girls.
Some paedos are women! And they like boys and girls.
What the fuck does it even matter??
Any human adult who targets children for sex should be shot, thrown to the lions and burned in hell as far as I'm concerned!
I'm not too sure what Matti is really trying to say tbh.
This thread sucks!
And it's off-topic!!   

Are there any lesbian peados who target only boys do you think?

Or any homosexual peados who target only girls...???

Tommy Monk wrote:

eddie wrote:God this debate is going round and round and it's doing my head in!!
Of course some paedo men like boys! I'm not sure it makes them homosexual because some of them are married with kids of their own (think of fathers who abuse sons?)
Some paedo men like girls.
Some paedos are women! And they like boys and girls.
What the fuck does it even matter??
Any human adult who targets children for sex should be shot, thrown to the lions and burned in hell as far as I'm concerned!
I'm not too sure what Matti is really trying to say tbh.
This thread sucks!
And it's off-topic!!   

Are there any lesbian peados who target only boys do you think?

Or any homosexual peados who target only girls...???

You do know that the word "homosexual" pretty much covers gay men and gay women, don't you?   

Didn't answer the question Eddie!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:Didn't answer the question Eddie!!!

You're right I didn't Matt - but I did have to lol at that.

Look, why are you merging two different types of people together?

A paedophile is a paedophile whether he's gay or straight! He could be happily ensconced with a woman and have a paedophiliac tendencies or happily ensconced with a male and have paediaphiliac tendencies!

He's a paedophile and his adult preference doesn't come into it.

Paedophilia is about power over children - much the same as rape.
Paedophilia among family members is about the confusion of emotional feelings.

What would you call a married man, who enjoys sex with his wife, yet lusts after boys?

Is he a heterosexual? Or a homosexual? Or a paedophile?

Still didn't answer the question.


I'm not merging two different people together, I an showing a higher propensity towards child sex abuse from a particular type of people.


A man who targets boys is in a homosexual way, could be older boys, 14, 15, not necessarily below 10, is driven by homosexual desire.


And THE man who enjoys sex with wife who lusts after boys??


I would call that extremely rare.


The overwhelming majority, almost all will be homosexuals in general life.




And it's off-topic!!   Are there any lesbian peados who target only boys do you think?

Or any homosexual peados who target only girls...???

You are not answering Eddie's questions Matti.

This one in more than any:

What would you call a married man, who enjoys sex with his wife, yet lusts after boys?

Is he a heterosexual? Or a homosexual? Or a paedophile?

You are deflecting from answering with a view it does not happen often not say what sexuality they are, so answer the question


Your assumption on those committing offense to boys must be homosexual is based on no understand or even any evidence.

Why do you not tell me the stats on lesbians then that target boys, or is that another assumption?

Answered Eddies questions.


Are there any lesbian peados who target only boys do you think?

Or any homosexual peados who target only girls...???



Of course not.



A homosexuat who is a peado will undoubtedly target boys.


And a lesbian will target girls.

Some men are closet/secret homosexuals, might even be married and have children, but having illicit male relationships on The side and Also justing after boys.


Like that headmaster the other day on thread who put cameras up to film any was married with 4 kids, but still driven by homosexual desires for young boys.

Tommy Monk wrote:Answered Eddies questions.


Are there any lesbian peados who target only boys do you think?

Or any homosexual peados who target only girls...???



Of course not.



A homosexuat who is a peado will undoubtedly target boys.


And a lesbian will target girls.

Some men are closet/secret homosexuals, might even be married and have children, but having illicit male relationships on The side and Also justing after boys.


Like that headmaster the other day on thread who put cameras up to film any was married with 4 kids, but still driven by homosexual desires for young boys.

What is a homosexuat, laptops attracted to each other?

Still not answering the question, but avoiding with more waffle, and also giving more assumptions, all the above are assumptions, you have , so back it all with evidence, until then answer please?

What would you call a married man, who enjoys sex with his wife, yet lusts after boys?

Is he a heterosexual? Or a homosexual? Or a paedophile?

You are deflecting from answering with a view it does not happen often not say what sexuality they are, so answer the question


Your assumption on those committing offense to boys must be homosexual is based on no understand or even any evidence.

Why do you not tell me the stats on lesbians then that target boys, or is that another assumption?

I answered, I would call that extremely rare, so bit of A red herring really.


we are talking about real situations not fantasy.



I would say that lesbian peados would overwhelmingly if not totally targeting girls.



Just like homosexuals will undoubtedly, overwhelmingly be targeting boys.


A heterosexual peado would undoubtedly be targeting girls.



This is just common sense.


Plus we constantly hear about cases of homosexuals clergy/teachers/scout leaders etc who target all girls.

Now can you show me any cases of lesbian peados targeting boys?


Or homosexual peador targeting girls?

Still has not answered, but avoided, you call it rare but not state whether they would be a heterosexual? Or a homosexual? Or a paedophile?

So no you have not answered and thus are deflecting, with again more assumptions on now lesbians. Where is your stats to back this up, as there is no point asking me something you yourself can back with evidence, your view becomes moot. It is like asking me if Aliens exist, with you making a view point they do without presenting any evidence that they do.
That is absurd, but you are making this point on now lesbians, to back a view on gay men

Try again and answer the question and back up your view point on lesbians with evidence

I asked my questiamp first a couple pages back and still not answers so who are you to demand answers from me?

I guess you refuse to answer then.

No suprise there

Post up your evidence on lesbian offenders, because I need to see the validity, of your question.

That was one of my questions.



Are there any lesbian child sex abusers who target ONLY boys?


Or homosexual child abusers who target girls?

I have no idea, hence why I am asking you to post up the evidence, so what is stopping you?

It shows you are deflecting more and more from Eddie's question, as now I have answered you again, as i do not know if there are any lesbian child offenders who target only boys, making your point moot when you do not know yourself

Come on dodge, what do you think?



Of course It is highly unlikely.

If you read the look I provided earlier it stated that clergymen/priests etc preyed on boys as they had more access to them (choir boys) and there was no risk of pregnancies.

You need to read it Matt.

Tommy Monk wrote:Come on dodge, what do you think?



Of course It is highly unlikely.

Unbelievable, again I have no idea, so again its like asking me, being that I am an atheist if God exists, when to me he does not, thus asking me to put faith into a view, that you yourself know yourelf. I am sure like with men, of those who are women target children for the same reasons, their preference is to abuse and control, of those who's sexual preference is children. I mean are you claiming that lesbians have now sexual relationships with children where the love is mutual? You see your questions is absurd going off the back of adult relationships between heterosexual, and homosexual couples where to pedophiles who offend is all about abuse and control, where again there is no loving relationship, but a crime. So your view on claiming if a person is homosexual or heterosexual has no nearing, because their main preference is children, abuse and control

Didge wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Come on dodge, what do you think?



Of course It is highly unlikely.

Unbelievable, again I have no idea, so again its like asking me, being that I am an atheist if God exists, when to me he does not, thus asking me to put faith into a view, that you yourself know yourelf. I am sure like with men, of those who are women target children for the same reasons, their preference is to abuse and control, of those who's sexual preference is children. I mean are you claiming that lesbians have now sexual relationships with children where the love is mutual? You see your questions is absurd going off the back of adult relationships between heterosexual, and homosexual couples where to pedophiles who offend is all about abuse and control, where again there is no loving relationship, but a crime. So your view on claiming if a person is homosexual or heterosexual has no nearing, because their main preference is children, abuse and control

Spot on actually.

You are missing the crucial point, 90-95% choose gender specific.



Therefore if a man chooses only boys then that is homosexually driven by definition.

It seems like anybody who doesn't see pedophilia as its own special problem and nothing to do with being straight or gay is just out to bash gay people as pedophiles.

Tommy Monk wrote:You are missing the crucial point, 90-95% choose gender specific.



Therefore if a man chooses only boys then that is homosexually driven by definition.

Still not grasping it, they choose the victim of their crimes to be children, because their preference is to control and abuse children.

No, when they choose specific gender then it is about their own sexuality and preference.

Tommy Monk wrote:No, when they choose specific gender then it is about their own sexuality and preference.

That's why I'm asking you; if a man is with a woman in a sexual relationship, and he targets an underage boy, is he?:

A paedophile
A homosexual
A heterosexual

Ok Eddie, you still haven't answered my common sense question, but I'll answer yours again.


Even though that is an extremely rare example if not totally non existent.


He would be bi sexual and a peado I would guess with obvious homosexual tendencies.

But its not non existent, in fact it is very common, in fact, it is not even rare but common that married men target only boys, thus you have not answered Eddie's question question on the three options, in fact make a fourth if you like, but answer what they are:

Is he a heterosexual? Or a homosexual? Or a paedophile? or your own definition, not that you claim few men do, that point you make is irrelevant because some do

Sorry, this has to be the most clueless statement I have ever heard:


He would be bi sexual and a peado I would guess with obvious homosexual tendencies.

I would like to know how a bisexual has homosexual tendencies being that homosexuals are "only" attracted to the same sex?

Didge wrote:Sorry, this has to be the most clueless statement I have ever heard:


He would be bi sexual and a peado I would guess with obvious homosexual tendencies.

Not sure I got it either but I'm tired lol



Matt you sound like a wine boffin describing a wine!

eddie wrote:

Didge wrote:Sorry, this has to be the most clueless statement I have ever heard:


He would be bi sexual and a peado I would guess with obvious homosexual tendencies.

Not sure I got it either but I'm tired lol



Matt you sound like a wine boffin describing a wine!

I would not have minded if he had just said they must be Bi-sexual, but to him, to sleep with both sexes is again an abnormality and bases this on his view homosexuality is abnormal, hence the right absurd statement with saying homosexual tendencies. Though even with him saying this why would they bisexual, if they never slept with adult men? It shows he does not think things through and that you and I and countless others know the preference they have is for children and that those who offend is more so about control and abuse, not what sex they are.

Dodge you are getting so desperate you are jumping on my every word and making an essay out of nothing.

Plus you ignore the fact that for 90-95% of abusers, the gender is important and they target specifically only male or only female.

Tommy Monk wrote:Dodge you are getting so desperate you are jumping on my every word and making an essay out of nothing.

How am I desperate to point out you think bisexuals have homosexual tendencies, which is so ridiculous it deserves to be ridiculed.
You now avoid this huge error to divert again.

Bi sexuals do have homosexual And heterosexual tendencies, by definition.


The emphasis was on happily married and enjoys sex with wife so was emphasis on homosexual tendencies rather than completely and openly bi sexual.


Not a big deal really, but you are looking for any tiny nugget of possible error to jump all over to undermine the rest of everything so far posted.

Tommy Monk wrote:Bi sexuals do have homosexual And heterosexual tendencies, by definition.


The emphasis was on happily married and enjoys sex with wife so was emphasis on homosexual tendencies rather than completely and openly bi sexual.


Not a big deal really, but you are looking for any tiny nugget of possible error to jump all over to undermine the rest of everything so far posted.

OMG words fail me, never heard something so absurd.
To be homosexual means to "only" be attracted to the same sex, so how can you have homosexual tendencies if you also fancy the opposite sex?
By definition okay lets see:

hetrosexual
Web definitions
Heterosexuality is romantic attraction, sexual attraction or sexual behavior between persons of opposite sex or gender in the gender binary. ...
Thus not bisexual

homosexuality
Web definitions
a sexual attraction to (or sexual relations with) persons of the same sex
Thus not bisexual

Thus bisexual has no tendencies of either definitions, because in each they cannot fancy the opposite of what they are attracted to, hence why there is a definition for them on their own, bisexual.

Unbelievable, answer the question, which you always avoid.

Sorry am tired and am so bored of your lame answers

See, you are jumping all over a non issue, I was quite clear with what I said.


The man in the fantasy hypothesis was happily married to wife and enjoyed sexual relations with her.

But also had a (secret?) lust for boys.

So as no other male relationships were mentioned, you have to assume that he was not openly bi sexual, but clearly was bi sexual, because of obvious homosexual tendencies, in that he was also attracted to males under 16.


We're dancing on the head of a pn again dodge. Over a difference of wording but saying basically the same thing.


But you have proved my point on men who target only boys being homosexual in preference, in your definition of homosexuality being between those of same sex.

You were clear in one aspect only.

Stupidity.

I have proven pages back how your methodology is idiotic mate and how you have no concept of human psychology. You go off assumptions again based on no evidence but males being mentioned.

I will treat that with the contempt it deserves.

Also, just occurred to me, men who target only males under 16 are either.....



Homosexual if all their other relationships are males.


Or....



Bi sexual if some of their other relationships are usually female.




And there's not that many of them about either.



But either way, this male attraction is definately not a heterosexual trait!!!!!!




By your own definition!!!!