Farage Tells Paxman He Has A Problem With Romania And It's Ok To Be Homophobic If You're Old

Tommy Monk wrote:No, the figures are defined by amount who target only boys, only girls and targeting both boys and girls.
And about a third of child abusers are men who target only boys in a homosexual way, ie, homosexuals!!!!
While homosexuals only make up probably less than 1% of general population.

As seen your figures on men abusing is woefully inaccurate.

Up to 64,000 women in UK 'are child-sex offenders':

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2009/oct/04/uk-female-child-sex-offenders


So time you went back to night school Matti, as if your starting point is inaccurate on who abuses then everything else you say is complete rubbish

Tommy Monk wrote:It isn't the same,, it shouldn't be elevated to same status as normal man/woman couples.
And that question above, obviously if a man targets only boys for abuse in a homosexual way, then they are definately homosexuals.
But I'm pretty sure that if we had the figures, they would show that the overwhelming majority of those who target only boys aren't married to a woman......!!!!
And fleakeeper, you are an irrelevant troll and couldn't be further from the truth!!!!!

No; they'd be heterosexual as well as paedophiles; what you fail to understand is the abusive nature of paedophilia is incomparable to the mature love between straight and gay adult couples. A man may have relationships with women, but exercises his abusive paedophilia with boys- therefore he is not homosexual. But neither homosexuality or heterosexual has anything to do with paedophilia in the first place- if you think that then you are suggesting your own relationships are nothing more than sex.

'Pretty sure' is nothing- you cannot show any evidence either way but already you are agreeing some of those male paedophiles who prey on boys are actually heterosexual in their adult relationships- so you have exposed you own association fallacy.

But scarily your argument is implying this- that heterosexual paedophiles who prey on young girls do so because they find them attractive in exactly the same way they find women attractive- which I think is not only wrong, but utterly disgusting. One cannot (or at least should not) be attracted to a child the same way they are an adult.

Yes dodge, more waffle but this time from the leftie guardian with The figures you quoted being completely made up.......
Here is the real govt figures from the same article......
'...The latest government figures, published six months ago, showed that 56 female child sex abusers were in custody, with 49 sentenced and seven on remand. Another 84 were under supervision in the community. Fewer than 2% of people on the sex offenders register are women....'
And I'll bet most of them are lesbian PE teachers who targeted girls!!!!!
Think your 'experts estimation' is more down to exaggerating the facts because they are a 'charity' (read tax payer funded quango) and probably trying to blag more funding!!!!
What a bellend you are dodge!
And so quick to try to defend homosexual peados.......!

And les, are you saying they are not proper homosexuals now?

They are all married to women?


Or it's only a few?

Tommy Monk wrote:Yes dodge, more waffle but this time from the leftie guardian with The figures you quoted being completely made up.......
Here is the real govt figures from the same article......
'...The latest government figures, published six months ago, showed that 56 female child sex abusers were in custody, with 49 sentenced and seven on remand. Another 84 were under supervision in the community. Fewer than 2% of people on the sex offenders register are women....'
And I'll bet most of them are lesbian PE teachers who targeted girls!!!!!
Think your 'experts estimation' is more down to exaggerating the facts because they are a 'charity' (read tax payer funded quango) and probably trying to blag more funding!!!!
What a bellend you are dodge!
And so quick to try to defend homosexual peados.......!

I quoted the exact figures I did then twisted them which you lied about stated it was men, it seems you are very happy to define and bash groups of people yourself but take great offense at being labelled yourself, it is the greatest irony ever that can be seen.
So now you go off the sex register, based on convictions, of which many offenders on the sex register are not paedos., so again you fuck up your percentages, showing you are also clueless when it comes to maths.

The actual figures are a Better indication of The truth and backs up what I say.


The bit you quoted from the guardian just says 'experts estimate', and It turns out the 'experts' are running a 'charity' and probably over exaggerating the truth just to try to get more funding!!!!



What a twat!

Tommy Monk wrote:The actual figures are a Better indication of The truth and backs up what I say.


The bit you quoted from the guardian just says 'experts estimate', and It turns out the 'experts' are running a 'charity' and probably over exaggerating the truth just to try to get more funding!!!!



What a twat!

No I think you just proved you are the wally, going off poor stats, and you proved that all by yourself, using now the sex register as if all on this are paedo's let alone this is only going off convictions and negating the fact people who have been convicted can have their names later removed.

It shows how you know very little!

Better than your 'experts estimate' which is not only completely made up and exaggerated by some charity after extra funding.



And given that there may be 300,000 child sex abusers in UK, the figures for women in prison is.......


'...The latest government figures, published six months ago, showed that 56 female child sex abusers were in custody, with 49 sentenced and seven on remand. Another 84 were under supervision in the community. Fewer than 2% of people on the sex offenders register are women...'





A remarkably low figure, and many of these will be lesbians targeting only girls!!!!!!





So my claim remains, about a third of child sex abusers are men who target only boys in a homosexual way.


ie - homosexuals!!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:Better than your 'experts estimate' which is not only completely made up and exaggerated by some charity after extra funding.
And given that there may be 300,000 child sex abusers in UK, the figures for women in prison is.......
'...The latest government figures, published six months ago, showed that 56 female child sex abusers were in custody, with 49 sentenced and seven on remand. Another 84 were under supervision in the community. Fewer than 2% of people on the sex offenders register are women...'
A remarkably low figure, and many of these will be lesbians targeting only girls!!!!!!
So my claim remains, about a third of child sex abusers are men who target only boys in a homosexual way.
ie - homosexuals!!!!

Absurd argument again, now going off convictions of this in prison, even though most get small sentences, not even providing the stats on which women are in prison for child abuse, let alone who are now free.
This is why you are you are clueless at maths, where again you also know people can come off the sex register.
Sorry your posts just get more embarrassing by the minute matti,
Plus the fact you have no evidence on those men who do target boys are homosexual themselves.
I do love an ignorant bigoted homophobe, as this falls into the category of someone who is very clear in their hatred of homosexuals

The official figures for convictions and cautions indicate that relatively small numbers of females enter the criminal justice system for sexual offences against children. However, as statistics are only available for cases in which the age of the child is identified by the crime, the precise figures for female sexual offences are not readily obtainable. Equally, while the figures are small in comparison with those for males, the research literature on this subject indicates that there are specific issues around identifying and prosecuting females for child sexual abuse. Anecdotal evidence from the interviews with key professionals also supports the concept that gender has an important role to play in how an allegation of child sexual abuse is taken forward. Key issues raised in the interviews included: a tendency towards disbelief or minimisation; a lack of acceptance that females might have an equal role or instigate abuse by themselves; an assumption that females are coerced by male partners and seemingly higher evidential requirements for prosecution. The importance of raising awareness among criminal justice professionals was considered a key means of dispelling these views.

http://www.nspcc.org.uk/Inform/research/findings/femaleswhosexuallyoffend_wda48273.html


Showing why Matti is clueless

"So my claim remains, about a third of child sex abusers are men who target only boys in a homosexual way."

That is better but still not quite right; you are now openly conceding that paedophiles who prey on boys may not be homosexual in their adult relationships.

And that is really the only point I was ever trying to make.

eddie wrote:

FluffyBunny wrote:

Can you please elaborate on this one belief of yours and say in a transparent way,WHY you believe this to be so??

Two people love each other,why does it matter what gender they are?

Wasting your time fluffybum, I've asked this question a million times   

I have asked Twonky many times as well!  

From your post dodge.....
'....the figures are small in comparison with those for males....'
There are maybe 300,000 child sex abusers in UK, while.......
Only......
'....56 female child sex abusers were in custody, with 49 sentenced and seven on remand. Another 84 were under supervision in the community.....'
Look at the known figures dodge, think about it, and do The maths!!!!
Out of maybe 300,000 child sex offenders, less than 150 are women in jail or outside signing register.
That tells us that over 99.9% of child abusers are men.
Also many of those women will be lesbians who targeted only girls!!!
I notice you haven't tried to deny the lesbians targeting only girls bit but quick to deny the homosexuals targeting only boys bit, even though there is much more known figures about that.
And les, if a man targets only boys for sex abuse, that is homosexual in its roots.
And I'll bet the overwhelming majority of men who target only boys are not in any sort of heterosexual relationship, but proper homosexuals.

David wrote:

eddie wrote:
Wasting your time fluffybum, I've asked this question a million times   

I have asked Twonky many times as well!  

Answered that earlier today on this thread.

Eilzel wrote:"So my claim remains, about a third of child sex abusers are men who target only boys in a homosexual way."

That is better but still not quite right; you are now openly conceding that paedophiles who prey on boys may not be homosexual in their adult relationships.

And that is really the only point I was ever trying to make.

The great majority of child sexual abusers are heterosexuals.  What Twonky seems to be confusing is paedophilia and sexuality.

Almost all are men, and about a third target only boys in a homosexual way.




The figures are clear.

Tommy Monk wrote:Almost all are men, and about a third target only boys in a homosexual way.




The figures are clear.

No this is twisting. Please don't confuse sexuality and paedophilia. Most paedophiles are married to women. So what do you call a married man who sexually abuses a boy. I know Eilzel has already asked you but you seem to avoid reality?

Answered that earlier.



'...if a man targets only boys for sex abuse, that is homosexual in its roots.
And I'll bet the overwhelming majority of men who target only boys are not in any sort of heterosexual relationship, but proper homosexuals....'

Tommy Monk wrote:From your post dodge.....
'....the figures are small in comparison with those for males....'
There are maybe 300,000 child sex abusers in UK, while.......
Only......
'....56 female child sex abusers were in custody, with 49 sentenced and seven on remand. Another 84 were under supervision in the community.....'
Look at the known figures dodge, think about it, and do The maths!!!!
Out of maybe 300,000 child sex offenders, less than 150 are women in jail or outside signing register.
That tells us that over 99.9% of child abusers are men.
Also many of those women will be lesbians who targeted only girls!!!
I notice you haven't tried to deny the lesbians targeting only girls bit but quick to deny the homosexuals targeting only boys bit, even though there is much more known figures about that.
And les, if a man targets only boys for sex abuse, that is homosexual in its roots.
And I'll bet the overwhelming majority of men who target only boys are not in any sort of heterosexual relationship, but proper homosexuals.

Proving again you are bad at maths




Estimating the prevalence of child sexual abuse has been difficult because of the number of instances that go unreported.
An NSPCC study (Radford et al, 2011) found that nearly a quarter of young adults (24.1%) had experienced sexual abuse (contact and non-contact), by an adult or by a peer during childhood. Around 11% of young adults said that they had experienced contact sexual abuse during their childhood.
Perpetrators of sexual abuse are more likely to be a family friend or to be acquainted with the child rather than being a parent or stranger. Girls are at a greater risk than boys of being abused by a family member. Boys are at a higher risk than girls of being abused by a stranger (Maikovich-Fong and Jafee, 2010).
The majority of reported abuse is carried out by male abusers but there is some discussion as to whether abuse by female abusers is underreported. An analysis of the calls to ChildLine where children talked about being sexually abused found that 17% of the calls concerned a female abuser. Where the victim of the abuse was a boy then the proportion of male and female abusers was roughly the same (34% and 36% respectively, 30% gender unspecified). For girls, over two thirds (67%) of the perpetrators were male and only 6% were female (Mariathasan, 2009).

http://www.nspcc.org.uk/Inform/resourcesforprofessionals/sexualabuse/child-sexual-abuse-briefing_wda96887.html

Tommy Monk wrote:Answered that earlier.



'...if a man targets only boys for sex abuse, that is homosexual in its roots.
And I'll bet the overwhelming majority of men who target only boys are not in any sort of heterosexual relationship, but proper homosexuals....'

No you haven't answered it at all. Most male paedophiles are in a heterosexual relationship. So yet again don't confuse paedophilia with sexuality.

Tommy Monk wrote:Answered that earlier.



'...if a man targets only boys for sex abuse, that is homosexual in its roots.
And I'll bet the overwhelming majority of men who target only boys are not in any sort of heterosexual relationship, but proper homosexuals....'

What you 'would bet' has NO bearing on the reality of the situation- I'm glad we've cleared this up from objective to facts to matti's (user of words like poof and mincer, and frequent asserter of homosexual deviance and abnormality and so just a wee bit prejudiced perhaps) subjectivity.

Now we can understand you personal view is steeped in your own personal bias and discriminative nature we can conclude your 'opinion' on 'homosexual paedophilia' is based on nothing but irrational prejudice   

Vague figures again dodge, based only on calls to childline.



And the women abusers are probably lesbians targeting only girls.




Do you half any figures to support that most peados who target only boys are in heterosexual relationships....????


Thought not!!!



And les, the figures are quite clear and quite telling.



Don't know why some of you refuse to admit there is a huge and significant over representation of homosexual men who target only boys to sexually abuse!?

Hilarious, it is like  a stuck record, Eilzel ousts your view is based off an opinion, thus no evidence and I expose your poor use of stats yet again.

Hee Hee

Eilzel wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Answered that earlier.



'...if a man targets only boys for sex abuse, that is homosexual in its roots.
And I'll bet the overwhelming majority of men who target only boys are not in any sort of heterosexual relationship, but proper homosexuals....'

What you 'would bet' has NO bearing on the reality of the situation- I'm glad we've cleared this up from objective to facts to matti's (user of words like poof and mincer, and frequent asserter of homosexual deviance and abnormality and so just a wee bit prejudiced perhaps) subjectivity.

Now we can understand you personal view is steeped in your own personal bias and discriminative nature we can conclude your 'opinion' on 'homosexual paedophilia' is based on nothing but irrational prejudice   

Once again an extremist who associates paedophilia with sexuality.

As didge say matti; you have zilch evidence for your prejudiced assertions- just a biased based on your overt dislike of gay people.

How can anyone take that seriously?

Fact.......


About a third of child sex abusers are men who target only boys in a homosexual way.


Fact.....


While homosexuals only make up less than 1% of general population.





But all we have heard from you lot are excuses, quick to deflect away from the statistics, and defend the high number of homosexual peados.


We have heard you try to cloud the issue claiming (completely unsubstantiated) that the abusers of boys are high number of women, that they aren't proper homosexuals as they are in heterosexual relationships, atrying to explain away these high numbers so we're left with The implication that it's only a few.



The figures I provided are clear.



You lot have provided nothing but denial, deflection and waffle.

I see no facts, just poor assumptions made by a complete homophobe!

They aren't clearly showing what you are trying to make out; you are simply too stupid to understand the difference between paedophilia and adult relationships.

Tommy Monk wrote:Fact.......


About a third of child sex abusers are men who target only boys in a homosexual way.


Fact.....


While homosexuals only make up less than 1% of general population.





But all we have heard from you lot are excuses, quick to deflect away from the statistics, and defend the high number of homosexual peados.


We have heard you try to cloud the issue claiming (completely unsubstantiated) that the abusers of boys are high number of women, that they aren't proper homosexuals as they are in heterosexual relationships, atrying to explain away these high numbers so we're left with The implication that it's only a few.



The figures I provided are clear.



You lot have provided nothing but denial, deflection and waffle.

All these are not facts they are your opinions based on your bias to fit your screwed rhetoric.

Eilzel wrote:They aren't clearly showing what you are trying to make out; you are simply too stupid to understand the difference between paedophilia and adult relationships.

Mr E Twonky is doing it on purpose to equate paedophilia with sexuality. He has no facts at all.

Which bit isn't fact?
The statistics are on NSPCC web site.
And what percentage of gen population are homosexual....?
Dodge claimed many were women, that has been smashed.
Les and david claim most are in heterosexual relationships, still waiting do, some evidence to back this claim up....???

Smashed?

 ://?roflmao?/: 

Using assumptions again.


Oh my, it seems you are the one not actually researching the subject where you even admit in your own words "you bet" is your only evidence.
As stated those offending boys, notice that boys in phone call in's is around equal to men and women as offenders, you ignore this because it does not fit your homophobic agenda, let alone you have no evidence on the men who commit these acts as to being homosexual either

Please spare yourself further embarrassment Matti, because nobody and I mean nobody is backing your views, not even the NSPCC

No dodge, you are confusing percentages and actual numbers again.



And that is not what was said.




We already know official figures that there are less than 150 women child sex abusers either in jail or signing register.


And that was from your own guardian link!!!!!



Still waiting for one of you to tell me which part of my facts and figures are wrong.....!?

Matti you are the one that has been exposed for making utterly absurd assumptions, and your so called facts have already been exposed

All you have provided is denial. Deflection and waffle dodge!

Nope we have proved it is your own opinion, an ignorant opinion at that!

You have proved nothing.



Except your desire to defend homosexual peados.....!



Of which there are A hugely disproportionate number of!

Tommy Monk wrote:Which bit isn't fact?
The statistics are on NSPCC web site.
And what percentage of gen population are homosexual....?
Dodge claimed many were women, that has been smashed.
Les and david claim most are in heterosexual relationships, still waiting do, some evidence to back this claim up....???

I haven't claimed anything one way or the other.

The % of the population that is homosexual is irrelevant if you don't even know the adult sexuality of those committing abuse (and even then the association would be wrong).

The FACT is, no one has a stat on whether those committing abuse are hetero or homosexual in their adult relationships. You are the only one insisting they are without anything to substantiate your assertion.

Your blatant dislike of gay people however shows why you'd stamp your feet so much to insist your view is right regardless   

Eilzel wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Which bit isn't fact?
The statistics are on NSPCC web site.
And what percentage of gen population are homosexual....?
Dodge claimed many were women, that has been smashed.
Les and david claim most are in heterosexual relationships, still waiting do, some evidence to back this claim up....???

I haven't claimed anything one way or the other.

The % of the population that is homosexual is irrelevant if you don't even know the adult sexuality of those committing abuse (and even then the association would be wrong).

The FACT is, no one has a stat on whether those committing abuse are hetero or homosexual in their adult relationships. You are the only one insisting they are without anything to substantiate your assertion.

Your blatant dislike of gay people however shows why you'd stamp your feet so much to insist your view is right regardless   

And that is a fact!   

Men sexually abusing and targeting only boys are homosexuals and peados.

Keep distorting the facts matti; if it confirms your own personal bitter prejudice.

Here's some more inconvenient truth......


We have maybe about 300,000 peados in this country right?




About a third of these target ONLY boys.....


So that's about 100,000...... right?






How many homosexual men do we have in this country.....?



Well let's do some simple maths with The figures we know.......


We have about 60 million people....... about 45 million adults....... half of whom will be men...... so about 22 million.......


And we know less than 1% of general population are homosexual, probably nearer to about 0.5%.........


So if we then work out how many men are homosexuals given those figures..........


1% of 22 million is 220,000 and 0.5% is 110,000 homosexual men in the UK.




So we have about 100,000 child abusers in this country who are men that target ONLY boys in a homosexual way and we have about 200,000 homosexuals in total.......




Quite startling statistics there!!!!!



And you trying to say it is heterosexuals targeting only boys is like me saying there are homosexual peados out there who target only girls!!!!!


Highly unlikely!!!!!!



See you, Didge and david responding so angrily, I must have touched a nerve!!!!!

Oh well once again not a fact just a mere biased opinion based on you extreme prejudices.
And please next time don't copy LOL

Nothing to say about the figures???


Or the implications????

Again you are stupidly assuming those paedos who abuse boys are not or have not been in straight relationships with adults. I mean just how thick does one have to be to not understand the difference?

He is very thick and he is doing it on purpose.

And you trying to say it is heterosexuals targeting only boys is like me saying there are homosexual peados out there who target only girls!!!!!

I'm not saying it is either, of course some will be homosexual no doubt, the only one making rash assumptions is you.

What you are implying however is that you think there is a sexual comparison to be made between a 10 year old boy and an 18+ year old man; or a 10 year old girl and a 18+ year old woman- which is repulsive.

Eilzel wrote:I'm not saying it is either, of course some will be homosexual no doubt, the only one making rash assumptions is you.

What you are implying however is that you think there is a sexual comparison to be made between a 10 year old boy and an 18+ year old man; or a 10 year old girl and a 18+ year old woman- which is repulsive.

It is repulsive because it makes Twonky think that the 10 year old boy is gay according to his thought process.