Stop And Search 'Often Only Happens Because The Person Is Black', Home Secretary Theresa May Says

by Guest Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:05 pm

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The Home Secretary has said that "a large number" of stop and searches by police only happen because the person being stopped is black.
In the most strident comments she has made on the disproportionality of the use of stop and search between people of different ethnicities, Theresa May said it was "absolutely disgraceful" and said many black and minority ethnic people felt being stopped had become "a way of life".
She told the House of Commons: "It is very clear that in a large number of cases the reasonable grounds for suspicion were not there and one can only therefore assume, given that black people are six times more likely to be stopped and searched than a white person, that it is precisely the fact that they are a black person that has led to that stop and search taking place.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/04/30/theresa-may-attacks-stop-and-search_n_5239809.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

by Guest Thu May 08, 2014 5:28 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:I want actual numbers dodge.

Total of stop and searches and total of whites/blacks stopped and searched.

These are numbers on disparity dummy

DRUG POLICING DISCRIMINATES AGAINST BLACK AND MINORITY ETHNIC GROUPS DESPITE THEIR LOWER RATES OF DRUG USE, A NEW REPORT REVEALS.
A report launched by LSE and Release today shows that drug policing is dominating stop and search, that much of this activity is focused on low level drug possession offences, and that black and Asian people are being disproportionately targeted. Niamh Eastwood, Executive Director of Release and co-author of the report, states “this research shows that stop and search is not about finding guns or knives but about the police going out and actively looking for people who are in possession of a small amount of drugs, mainly cannabis”.

Over 50% of stop and searches are for drugs, 10% are for offensive weapons and less than 1% are for guns .
The police in England and Wales stop and search someone for drugs every 58 seconds.
Of the more than half million stop and searches for drugs carried out in 2009/10 only 7% resulted in arrest.
In 2009/10 there were 10 stop and searches for drugs for every 1,000 people in England and Wales. Black people were stopped and searched for drugs at 6.3 times the rate of white people, while Asian people were stopped and searched for drugs at 2.5 times the rate and those identifying as mixed race were stopped and searched for drugs at twice the rate of white people. This is despite the fact that drug use is lower amongst black and Asian people when compared to their white counterparts .
Black people are arrested for a drugs offence at 6 times the rate of white people, and Asian people are arrested at almost twice the rate of the white.
Black people are more likely to receive a harsher police response for possession of drugs . In 2009/10 78% of black people caught in possession of cocaine by the Metropolitan Police were charged for this offence and only 22% received cautions. In comparison 44% of white people were charged for the same offence and 56% received cautions.
Black people caught in possession of cannabis by the Metropolitan Police are less likely to receive a cannabis warning than white people, and are charged at 5 times the rate of whites.
Prosecutions for drug possession are at an all-time high and this is primarily being driven by cannabis possession. In 2010, the Crown Prosecution Service brought more prosecutions for possession of drugs than in any other year since the introduction of the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 - 43,406 people were found guilty of drug possession. 60% of these prosecutions were for cannabis.
Black people are subject to court proceedings for drug possession offences at 4.5 times the rate of whites, are found guilty of this offence at 4.5 times the rate, and are subject to immediate custody at 5 times the rate of white people.
Once they have been taken to court black people are less likely to be given a suspended prison sentence for drug offences than white people.
Every year approximately 80,000 people in England and Wales are convicted or cautioned for possession of drugs. In the 15 year period, 1996 to 2011, 1.2 million criminal records have been generated as a result of drug possession laws.

Michael Shiner, co-author of the report and a senior lecturer in the department of social policy at the London School of Economics said: “It’s shocking that police officers are spending so much time targeting minor drug offences, rather than focusing on more serious matters. This is not the result of a carefully considered strategy, but is the unintended consequence of reforms that have created a perverse incentive structure, rewarding officers for going after easy pickings rather than doing good police work. While it is hard to see any benefits in terms of tackling serious crime or promoting public safety, there are real costs, including unnecessary infringements on people’s liberty, discrimination against minorities and loss of trust and confidence in the police.“
Eastwood goes on to say: “Black people are more likely to get a criminal record than white people, are more likely to be taken to court and are more likely to be fined or imprisoned for drug offences because of the way in which they are policed, rather than because they are more likely to use drugs. Despite calls for police reform of stop and search little has changed in the last 3 decades, this is why the Government needs to take action and change the law. Decriminalisation of drug possession offences would end the needless stop and search of hundreds of thousands of innocent people every year and eliminate a significant source of discrimination with all its damaging consequences.”

Read and weep

by Guest Thu May 08, 2014 5:30 pm

The Main Findings
Stop and search has increased steadily since 2001/2 from less than 750,000 to a peak of almost 1.3 million in 2010/11, more than 1.2 million of which were carried out under PACE and associated legislation. Despite a slight decline, there were still more than one million stop searches carried out in 2011/12. Half or more of these searches are for drugs. This means that every 58 seconds someone in England and Wales is stopped and searched by the police for drugs.
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In 2009/10 the overall search rate for drugs across the population as a whole was 10 searches per 1000 people. For those from the white population it was 7 per 1000, increasing to 14 per 1000 for those identifying as mixed race, 18 per 1000 for those identifying as Asian and to 45 per 1000 for those identifying as black. Tweet [url=https://twitter.com/share?related=release_drugs&url=http://bit.ly/drugsracialdisparity&text=Rates of UK drug searches: whites 7/1000 mixed race 14/1000 Asians 18/1000 blacks 45/1000 @Release_drugs] Stop And Search 'Often Only Happens Because The Person Is Black', Home Secretary Theresa May Says - Page 5 Share_twitter16

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Black people were, in other words, 6.3 times more likely to be stopped and searched for drugs than white people, while Asian people were 2.5 times more likely to be stopped and searched for drugs and those identifying as mixed race were stopped and searched for drugs at twice the rate of white people.
Large numbers of young people are being subject to police stop and search for drugs. In 2009/10 half the 280,000 drug stop searches carried out by the Metropolitan police were on young people aged 21 years or below. Almost 16,900 were of children aged 15 or below. Tweet [url=https://twitter.com/share?related=release_drugs&url=http://bit.ly/drugsracialdisparity&text=In 2010 @MetPoliceUK searched 16,000 children under 15 for drugs %23BetterDrugLaws @Release_drugs] Stop And Search 'Often Only Happens Because The Person Is Black', Home Secretary Theresa May Says - Page 5 Share_twitter16

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Black people in London who are caught in possession of cocaine are charged, rather than cautioned, at a much higher rate than their white counterparts. In 2009/10 the Metropolitan Police charged 78 per cent of black people caught in possession of cocaine compared with 44 per cent of whites.
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In 2010 the Crown Prosecution Service brought more prosecutions for possession of drugs than have been bought in any year since the introduction of the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 43,406 people were found guilty of drug possession. This was primarily driven by prosecution for cannabis possession.

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by Guest Thu May 08, 2014 5:32 pm

Millions of cars are pulled over by the police every year without being officially recorded – and black drivers are significantly more likely to be targeted, figures reveal.
Although there is no official available data on the number of vehicle stops, researchers from Stopwatch, a coalition of academics and legal experts which monitors the use of stop-and-search powers by the police, used figures from the British Crime Survey to estimate that around 10% of adults in England and Wales are stopped in a vehicle by police each year.
"We estimate that there were approximately 5.5 million vehicle stops in 2010-11, approximately five million of which did not involve a search and therefore were not covered by the recording requirement," said a Stopwatch briefing document.
Research commissioned by the group based on British Crime Survey data between 2008 and 2011 also found that black people had reported higher levels of car stops in the past year than white people and that "the disproportionality could not be explained by any other social or demographic factors". Rachel Taylor of the legal firm Fisher Meredith, who is a member of Stopwatch, said the practice of stopping cars without recording the incident using section 163 of the Road Traffic Act 1988was alarming. It allowed officers to circumvent the conditions of reasonable suspicion that the driver is carrying an unauthorised weapon or drugs.
"This throws the power wide open to abuse, and research indicates that there are very high levels of racial disproportionality in its use," she said.
High-profile cases involving racial profiling and vehicle stops include Stuart Lawrence, the brother of murder victim Stephen Lawrence, who last year launched a complaint against the Metropolitan police claiming he has been the victim of a sustained campaign of harassment after being stopped by officers 25 times.
England footballer Jermain Defoe accused Essex police of harassmentfor pulling him over in 2009 days after he said he would sue them for wrongful arrest.
Campaigners are concerned that traffic stops are not included in the consultation, claiming that section 163 might be utilised to circumvent the requirements and safeguards applicable to alternative powers of stop and search. Home Office guidance states nobody should be stopped on the basis of the colour of their skin or ethnicity.
There is also concern over police powers of strip and search, with recent figures showing that people from black and minority ethnic backgrounds accounted for more than half of those strip-searched after being arrested by Met officers over the past three years. Officials from Stopwatch said there was also a problem with strip searches before arrest, particularly the use of "intimate searches". Campaigners say current guidelines do not stipulate any obligation to record such searches, making it impossible to monitor police practices.
Data from freedom of information requests reveal that in Cambridgeshire two males were strip-searched in "public toilets", and in another case a man was searched in a bus station ticket office. Over the course of 34 intimate searches, just two yielded any kind of "found property", with only one arrest.
Another set of data from Northumbria police found that during 2012, 338 recorded searches were carried out with clothing being removed while the suspect was searched and 206 searches carried out where "intimate parts were exposed". Last year 144 were searched with clothing removed, and 91 with intimate parts exposed.
Between 2010 and 2013, 54 17-year-olds, 52 16-year-olds, 37 15-year-olds, 18 14-year-olds, eight 13-year-olds and two 12-year-olds were searched with their clothing being removed.
Niamh Eastwood, executive director of the charity Release, who is also a member of Stopwatch, said: "The use of strip search before arrest is an incredibly intrusive and humiliating experience for the individual subjected.
"It is clear from the FOI requests that we submitted that most police forces in England and Wales are not centrally recording the use of this power, so we have no idea of the scale of the problem, of how it impacts on people from black and ethnic minority backgrounds or children, and whether the use of this power is successful in detecting prohibited items such as drugs."

http://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/feb/02/black-drivers-stopped-police

by Tommy Monk Thu May 08, 2014 5:35 pm

Actual numbers dodge.

Total stop and searches are about a million a year.

Blacks stopped and searched is about 100,000 per year.

Asians about the same.

That's why you don't want to post up the figures.

by Guest Thu May 08, 2014 5:37 pm

Hilarious, what more evidence do you need, you want now the actual numbers stopped each year, look it up yourself dummy to prove your case, as I have proved mine very easily so

Good luck

by Guest Thu May 08, 2014 5:41 pm

Here I even found a link for you on numbers which further proves my point:

http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/uploaded_files/raceinbritain/ehrc_stop_and_search_report.pdf

by Tommy Monk Thu May 08, 2014 5:53 pm

I have shown your claim is bollocks.

You said....

"so whites vastly commit more crime are stopped less because of it"

Prime example of how you try to fudge the figures.

There are about a million stop and searches in UK every year and whites make up about 800,000 of all stop and searches.

Blacks about 100,000.

The figures you are using are misleading because they are per capita, and don't take into consideration that nearly half of all UK stop and searches are done in London and over half of all black people in UK live in London.

And although blacks still making up only about 15% of London population as a whole, we find that over 50% of violent street crime is done by blacks and two thirds of shootings.

So in areas with high street crime, stop and search will be targeting those reported as responsible.

by Guest Thu May 08, 2014 6:02 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:I have shown your claim is bollocks.
No you did not, you proved nothing
You said....

"so whites vastly commit more crime are stopped less because of it"
They do commit more crimes and are disproportionately stopped less vastly as seen from the many facts you chose to ignore

Prime example of how you try to fudge the figures.
No as seen you are clutching at straws

There are about a million stop and searches in UK every year and whites make up about 800,000 of all stop and searches.
Yes they do and as seen are let off far more than blacks even when they have committed a criminal offence as seen with drug possession. As seen blacks are 7 more times likely to be stopped something you ignore at every turn

Blacks about 100,000.
Yes way out of disproportion to crimes committed, even more so when Blacks are also proven to receive sentences and convictions that whites for the same crimes, something you ignore at every turn, even whites get off as seen when caught by the Police as I stated of which you poorly tried to rubbish until I embarrassed you further

The figures you are using are misleading because they are per capita, and don't take into consideration that nearly half of all UK stop and searches are done in London and over half of all black people in UK live in London.

://?roflmao?/: Really so now that shows you have not even read any of the reports and are just making things up as you go along, you forget the fact whites far out number blacks also in London in numbers let alone ignoring the disparity found throughout the UK, that was just plain stupid that point from you

And although blacks still making up only about 15% of London population as a whole, we find that over 50% of violent street crime is done by blacks and two thirds of shootings.
So you are making an argument on violent crime which accounts for less than 10% of stop and search showing even more you have no clue that the majority of stop and search is fro drugs, 50%, so that point is also utterly moot based on the stop and search carried out by the Police

So in areas with high street crime, stop and search will be targeting those reported as responsible.

As seen people are mainly stopped for drugs, try actually reading before you present balderdash, where you ignore the following facts:

Over 50% of stop and searches are for drugs, 10% are for offensive weapons and less than 1% are for guns .
The police in England and Wales stop and search someone for drugs every 58 seconds.
Of the more than half million stop and searches for drugs carried out in 2009/10 only 7% resulted in arrest.
In 2009/10 there were 10 stop and searches for drugs for every 1,000 people in England and Wales. Black people were stopped and searched for drugs at 6.3 times the rate of white people, while Asian people were stopped and searched for drugs at 2.5 times the rate and those identifying as mixed race were stopped and searched for drugs at twice the rate of white people. This is despite the fact that drug use is lower amongst black and Asian people when compared to their white counterparts .
Black people are arrested for a drugs offence at 6 times the rate of white people, and Asian people are arrested at almost twice the rate of the white.
Black people are more likely to receive a harsher police response for possession of drugs . In 2009/10 78% of black people caught in possession of cocaine by the Metropolitan Police were charged for this offence and only 22% received cautions. In comparison 44% of white people were charged for the same offence and 56% received cautions.
Black people caught in possession of cannabis by the Metropolitan Police are less likely to receive a cannabis warning than white people, and are charged at 5 times the rate of whites.
Prosecutions for drug possession are at an all-time high and this is primarily being driven by cannabis possession. In 2010, the Crown Prosecution Service brought more prosecutions for possession of drugs than in any other year since the introduction of the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 - 43,406 people were found guilty of drug possession. 60% of these prosecutions were for cannabis.
Black people are subject to court proceedings for drug possession offences at 4.5 times the rate of whites, are found guilty of this offence at 4.5 times the rate, and are subject to immediate custody at 5 times the rate of white people.
Once they have been taken to court black people are less likely to be given a suspended prison sentence for drug offences than white people.
Every year approximately 80,000 people in England and Wales are convicted or cautioned for possession of drugs. In the 15 year period, 1996 to 2011, 1.2 million criminal records have been generated as a result of drug possession laws.

by Tommy Monk Thu May 08, 2014 6:12 pm

Blacks are only 15% of London population but over 50% of violent and other street crimes are done by blacks and two thirds of shootings in London.

That's a lot of crime.

And still only 10% of all stop and searches in The whole of UK are of blacks.

I don't think there is any argument against this.

by Guest Thu May 08, 2014 6:18 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Blacks are only 15% of London population but over 50% of violent and other street crimes are done by blacks and two thirds of shootings in London.
Are they, are we again going off prison stats Matti?
Again you though seem to ignore all crime and take street crime as a standard, ignoring rape, domestic violence all of which is seen to be done with convictions making your view point utterly abusrd, basing this on gangs in London, where the same is found in Glasgow with gangs, again showing you know little about criminology or now use only one aspect of crime, to try poorly to defend your ignorance
That's a lot of crime.
And still only 10% of all stop and searches in The whole of UK are of blacks.
Oh my and yet Whites commit vastly more crime than blacks and whites get let off by the Police vastly more than Blacks and whites get off prison sentences vastly more blacks, which you ignore at every turn

I don't think there is any argument against this.

You never had an argument to start with

by Tommy Monk Thu May 08, 2014 6:25 pm

No I am going off of police figures on actual crimes and reported attacker.

I have shown that whites are overwhelmingly the ones stopped and searched.

ANd although blacks are disproportionately responsible for high rates of violent street crimes, they still only make up 10% of stop and searches.

You see dodge, you and your leftie friends can spin the figures however you want.

But when we get down to the actual real numbers themselves, it I, clear that the police are doing a good job. And your claims are nothing but bullshit.

by Guest Thu May 08, 2014 6:32 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:No I am going off of police figures on actual crimes and reported attacker.
Are you, when many are not even caught showing again you are going off only those caught and convicted, which again is only one area of violent crime, showing again how desperate you are ignoring this factor at every counter

I have shown that whites are overwhelmingly the ones stopped and searched.
Not proportionately you have not and again as seen blacks are 7 more times likely to be stopped even though they commit less crimes and even worse the Police let off as seen so many white criminals as do Judges, so on each point you use stats that are flawed

ANd although blacks are disproportionately responsible for high rates of violent street crimes, they still only make up 10% of stop and searches.
Again so now we should only stop and search based on street crime and not all violent crime? You heard it first from Matti, no point to worry about rape, child abuse, domestic violence to name just a few, they are irrelevant to Matti

You see dodge, you and your leftie friends can spin the figures however you want.
No as seen you do not have a clue and cannot believe you are still spouting rubbish but it does amuse me how poor your level of intellect is that many recognise the problem but you do not. The Tories recognise this, so nothing to do with lefties, showing again how clueless you really are or just as well always know you are so racially prejudice, which is the real reality of your arguments, as easily seen

But when we get down to the actual real numbers themselves, it I, clear that the police are doing a good job. And your claims are nothing but bullshit.

Really as seen the Police have admitted there stop and search policy is wrong and based upon poor stereotypes, but please do continue with your posts, as they are so easy to refute at every turn

by Tommy Monk Thu May 08, 2014 6:47 pm

Police figures on REPORTED CRIME AND DESCRIPTION OF ATTACKER.

Domestic violence and child abuse is not really going to be tackled by stop and search.

They are dealt with by specialist teams in different ways.

Rapist, however are caught through checking through DNA database, and all of those arrested after stop and search will be on the database.

Less stopped and searched will mean less arrests and less chance of finding rapist on it.

by Guest Thu May 08, 2014 6:53 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Police figures on REPORTED CRIME AND DESCRIPTION OF ATTACKER.
In rape, domestic violence, child abuse? Really, I think it does not show all violent crime on descriptions does it Matti

Domestic violence and child abuse is not really going to be tackled by stop and search.
How is that, when again descriptions of attackers is given, fuck me what an epic own goal. So you advocate stopping an search on street crime based on reported crime and description but say it does not help with rape or abuse victims?
This is why you are utterly clueless, and the biggest contradiction to date, showing how illogical your own view is and now you also admit stop and search does not really help.
Thanks

They are dealt with by specialist teams in different ways.
So is street crime dealt with specialist teams, so again you negate your own argument.

Rapist, however are caught through checking through DNA database, and all of those arrested after stop and search will be on the database.
Never description, really? So they no do random DNA tests then and do not go off descriptions?
Sorry I really am starting to cringe at your idiotic replies

Less stopped and searched will mean less arrests and less chance of finding rapist on it.

Good intelligence means finding criminals, not randomly selecting a person based off their skin colour as seen

by Tommy Monk Thu May 08, 2014 7:10 pm

You are wafflng bullshit arguments again dodge.

Deliberately misunderstanding my points in an effort to criticise something I'm not saying.

I have posted up links to show that blacks are disproportionately responsible for violent/street crime, based on the police own figures for actual reported crimes and description of attacker.

Blacks make up only about 15% of London but blacks are responsible for over half of violent/street crimes, and two thirds of shootings.

There are startling statistics.

And just under half of all stop and searches are done in London.

But blacks only make up for about 10% of all stop and searches in total in UK.

In some areas they are more likely to be stopped and searched, but given the hugely high and disproportionate levels of blacks being responsible for crime, this is justified.

by Guest Thu May 08, 2014 7:20 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:You are wafflng bullshit arguments again dodge.
No I just exposed your poor argument where you ended up with egg on your own face stating stop and search is not worth it in similar words you used ha ha

Deliberately misunderstanding my points in an effort to criticise something I'm not saying.
Nope you just are now annoyed I easily exposed your stupidity

I have posted up links to show that blacks are disproportionately responsible for violent/street crime, based on the police own figures for actual reported crimes and description of attacker.
Street crime in London, whilst ignoring the rest of the country, that is not even a comprehensive comparison let alone ignoring all other violent crimes, thus exposing again your stupidity

Blacks make up only about 15% of London but blacks are responsible for over half of violent/street crimes, and two thirds of shootings.
What about all the other violent crimes, which you keep ignoring? You are clutching at straws on one type of violent crime, even then not even understanding the criminology behind gangs, of which London has seen for well over a hundred years and far more, making your view point even more daft

There are startling statistics.
In comparison to all violent crime and the rest of the country? No, it shows you are selective to a certain level of some crime and not all violent crime, thus it exposes you as distorting all violent crime figures

And just under half of all stop and searches are done in London.
Of which only 10% is for this and 50% for drugs, showing even more you ignore this disparity on other crime relating to stop and search and again centre only on one aspect of a type of crime, showing how again you are desperate yo justify racially stopping people based on poor methodology as seen. You also ignore the countless amount of whites let off by the Police and Ministry of Justice

But blacks only make up for about 10% of all stop and searches in total in UK.
Which is disproportionate to their population compared to whites, if we took your view nearly a million more whites should be stopped if not more to make comparable

In some areas they are more likely to be stopped and searched, but given the hugely high and disproportionate levels of blacks being responsible for crime, this is justified.
As seen you again go off prison stats and arrests ignoring the evidence when hundreds of thousands of whites are getting away with crimes, thus negating that argument also

Epic fail from the racial prejudice dummy

by Tommy Monk Thu May 08, 2014 7:51 pm

Oh dear!

You don't expose something by just claiming you have while actually just waffling bullshit.

Nearly half the ultrtmp and searches are done in London.

Blacks only make up 15% of London.

While over half of The violent street crime in London is done by blacks including two thirds of shootings.

Even with these startling statistics, blacks only account for about 10% of The overall stop and searches in The country.

The police have a duty to respond to crime AND target those matching description of perpetrator in said crimes.

Cause and effect.

Pure and simple.

Laughing

by Guest Thu May 08, 2014 7:53 pm

Hilarious now who is repeating themselves

Poor Matti, you got annihilated on this sonny ha ha ha

Never mind

cheers

by Tommy Monk Thu May 08, 2014 8:07 pm

Not at all dodge, have shown up your waffle yet again!

You keep going on about disparity, But you fail to acknowledge the huge disparity in blacks being hugely and disproportionately responsible for crimes.

And the police will simply be targeting those matching description of crimes and In high crime areas.

You claimed blacks get stopped more than whites but I showed blacks only targeted in about 10% of stop and searches, And considering their responsibility for crimes, seems rather low.

You still haven't answered my question.

In a high crime area with blacks being hugely responsible for this crime, who should the police be stopping and searching?

by Guest Thu May 08, 2014 8:21 pm

Still repeating the same comments I battered, hilarious

You claim I have not answered, when you never answer?

Ha Ha Ha, please you ignore all points and even studies now backed by the Police and the Government and still you refuse to admit you are wrong

So funny

by Tommy Monk Thu May 08, 2014 10:41 pm

The points I'm making are central to the argument.

And are points that you keep avoiding/dodging and failing to acknowledge.

You are backing the argument that blacks are unfairly targeted in stop and search by just looking at the overall national S&S figures, which show that blacks are targeted in 10% of these, while only making up 3% of national population.

Then quickly jumping to the conclusion that this is too many and the only explanation for this must be cos it is racist.

This is a too simplistic and totally flawed analysis of the situation, as it completely fails to consider all the other factors involved.

Namely, just over half of all black people in UK live in London (about 15% of total London population).

About half of the all S&S's in the UK are done in London alone.

And going by official Met police statistics, over half of the violent street crime in London is reportedly done by young black men, including two thirds of shootings.

Now given that half of all national S&S happens in London, with over half of all blacks in UK living in London, and over half of all violent street crime (including two thirds of shootings) being reportedly done by young black men in London;

Isn't it understandable that police are duty bound to respond to said crimes?

And in doing so, will undoubtedly be stopping & searching those in the areas and matching the descriptions given in crimes reported?

The level of policing, police action, response, S&S etx is also not going to be the same across London either!

This is another additional factor that needs to be considered.

As it is well documented that the areas in London with higher crime rates are also the areas with high number of blacks, and again with higher numbers of blacks being reportedly responsible for said crimes.

These areas with higher crime, will automatically trigger more police, more action, resulting in more response and inevitably more S&S.

And again, higher numbers of blacks in the area and matching description of offenders will be targeted.

Factor all of this into your analysis and you can easily argue that blacks are not being targeted unfairly at all, and even argue that maybe they aren't being targeted enough!!!

by Guest Fri May 09, 2014 6:50 am

You have no points Matti.

End of story, they are off flawed stats and a poor prejudice you have and to be honest you just keep repeating yourself with no evidence to back your views, the reality is most people with common sense can see the poor prejudice sterotype stop and search going on, tough shit really that you do not but the reality is you lost the debate on your first post

When you learn why, then you may gain some intelligence, but not going to go around in circles yet again, when you refuse to accept all the evidence

study

by Tommy Monk Fri May 09, 2014 1:16 pm

I have provided evidence on reported crimes, figures stop and search and sound reasoning.

You just keep ignoring the points I'm making.

You have provided waffle, lies and spun figures.

by Tommy Monk Fri May 09, 2014 4:40 pm

Again dodge is stunned by the logic and has run away.

And Theresa May can hardly say blacks are stopped more because they commit more crime, sir Paul condom tried telling the truth about that years ago when police commissioner and stating police crime statistics.

And we all know what happened to him....!!!!!

by Guest Fri May 09, 2014 4:44 pm

No I have debunked all your claims, and has no more need to debate further when you offer no credible evidence to your claims and refuse to recognise all the issues presented, it shows you are upset to bump a thread where you got spanked again.

So sometimes it is best to leave someone like yourself flapping like a fish out of water struggling for breath.

So again thanks for your input as seen, it was comical, racially poor and absurd but am not going to continue endless pages going over the same things as seen which you can never refute my points

Enjoy.

by Tommy Monk Fri May 09, 2014 5:01 pm

You still ignore all my points and refuse to answer questions.

Run along dodge, run along.....

by Tommy Monk Fri May 09, 2014 11:45 pm

Operation Trident, care to tell us what it was and why it existed......?

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