eat pork or go hungry...

Nems wrote:

Didge wrote:


This is not a Muslim country, so that has no relevance to the debate, you cannot play off how other Muslim Governments enact their laws, compared to Britain or make Muslims who live here culpable for the laws in other Muslim countries Nems.
Again the whole point has been missed, non-Muslims and non-Jews can in the main eat halal/kosher meat if they so wish, Jews and Muslims can only eat religiously slaughtered meat. The only then reason not to eat some halal or kosher is made off how the animal is killed, whilst claiming a humane method be done, even though its purpose is to be killed and eaten. Can you not see how absurd that view really is when even worse the method to kill is exactly the same, the throat cut, one though electrocutes them first. Neither are nice methods to kill, but quick and o be pedantic over stunning and non stunning when we kill the animal in the first place is clearly a ruse, because the real reasons are prejudice views against Jews and Muslims and that we should go backwards and not have equality and deny Muslim and Jewish children meat that is not religiously slaughtered. Even again you will never ban the selling of said meat either, so again the arguments around this are silly and it is parents at odds not the children, but the child's choice everyone of them should matter on what they can eat. If that means more cost, then it means more cost for those on free school dinners, the rest can make pack lunches.

The UK is a Christian country the Queen is the head of the church of England. We like ham sandwiches, pork chops, crackling and pork pies we like ham on our pizzas etc etc etc. Why should these things not be available because they are against the religion of a minority?
If the kill method is so absurd why is it an issue for Jews and Muslims then.?

Im not playing anything off against anything Dige that is unfair, the point I made about a Muslim country is a valid one. I would not go to their country and demand they alter their ways for me, they have no right to demand we do. If the school lunch is not acceptable, provide an alternative. If that is not possible go to a country where the menu suits.

harvesmom wrote:

Nems wrote:

The UK is a Christian country the Queen is the head of the church of England. We like ham sandwiches, pork chops, crackling and pork pies we like ham on our pizzas etc etc etc. Why should these things not be available because they are against the religion of a minority?
If the kill method is so absurd why is it an issue for Jews and Muslims then.?

Im not playing anything off against anything Dige that is unfair, the point I made about a Muslim country is a valid one. I would not go to their country and demand they alter their ways for me, they have no right to demand we do. If the school lunch is not acceptable, provide an alternative. If that is not possible go to a country where the menu suits.

Well said Nems, I am all for multiculturalism, but not at the expense of the identity of the country you are living in being lost. People are afraid to tackle these issues because of being labelled a racist. When in Rome.. and all that.

VOD(original) wrote:vegetarian is dangerous for children in my opinion .
My friend gave her children vegetarian food and her son always  looked  pale and very skinny , when he reached 16 he started eating meat, i remember when he ate burgers at my house he loved them and even said so.
He is 24 now and is not a vegetarian has colour back in his skin and has a healthy weight

lovedust wrote:

VOD(original) wrote:vegetarian is dangerous for children in my opinion .
My friend gave her children vegetarian food and her son always  looked  pale and very skinny , when he reached 16 he started eating meat, i remember when he ate burgers at my house he loved them and even said so.
He is 24 now and is not a vegetarian has colour back in his skin and has a healthy weight

With all respect that's slightly beside the point VOD. Some people think pork unhealthy; high in salt, hard to digest, and unclean (including God according to the Bible!).

Do you think children should retain the *right* of vegetarian school meal options?

smelly_bandit wrote:cant believe how stupid this lot is

they are trying to defend a minority forcing its will on the majority by pretending that there is a choice

there is no choice

a choice would be - pork counter at one end and a pork alternative counter at the other end

that is not the case the pork counter has been removed entirely and replaced with a pork alternative to appease the minority

thus the pork eaters have their choice removed  

VOD(original) wrote:

lovedust wrote:
With all respect that's slightly beside the point VOD. Some people think pork unhealthy; high in salt, hard to digest, and unclean (including God according to the Bible!).

Do you think children should retain the *right* of vegetarian school meal options?

T mate, everything God created is clean Mark 7.18 

Not according to Leviticus 11,7:

"And the pig, though it has a divided hoof, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. 8 You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you."

  Reference here

 .

As for schools providing any special diet apart for diabetic which is an illness , then if parents want their children to eat special food they should provide it themselves in a packed lunch .

smelly_bandit wrote:

David wrote:

Smelly has never been to France.  Another prejudiced comment from him

  


I love the fact that I get so deep under your skin

harvesmom wrote:

Nems wrote:

The UK is a Christian country the Queen is the head of the church of England. We like ham sandwiches, pork chops, crackling and pork pies we like ham on our pizzas etc etc etc. Why should these things not be available because they are against the religion of a minority?
If the kill method is so absurd why is it an issue for Jews and Muslims then.?

Im not playing anything off against anything Dige that is unfair, the point I made about a Muslim country is a valid one. I would not go to their country and demand they alter their ways for me, they have no right to demand we do. If the school lunch is not acceptable, provide an alternative. If that is not possible go to a country where the menu suits.

Well said Nems, I am all for multiculturalism, but not at the expense of the identity of the country you are living in being lost. People are afraid to tackle these issues because of being labelled a racist. When in Rome.. and all that.

David wrote:

harvesmom wrote:

Well said Nems, I am all for multiculturalism, but not at the expense of the identity of the country you are living in being lost. People are afraid to tackle these issues because of being labelled a racist. When in Rome.. and all that.

Yes well said Nems.
France is the same although it is a secular country it is less multiculturalist than the UK.  If Muslims want halal they do their own  and is not imposed on the rest of the country.  Here in the U.K. we eat more halal than people think!

David wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:


  


I love the fact that I get so deep under your skin

You are so shallow it is unbelievable.  Avoiding the debate I see.   What a surprise.   

smelly_bandit wrote:

David wrote:

You are so shallow it is unbelievable.  Avoiding the debate I see.   What a surprise.   

Well what does your view that I've never been to France have to do with anything your lying twat??

As it stands I have been to France on a battlefield tour for work

So once again you're the fucking asshole

eddie wrote:Pffff. Thought I might get some fee pork.

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:it seems some people are sick of the special demands made by other groups...


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2597082/Eat-pork-hungry-Frances-far-right-National-Front-leader-tells-schools-stop-offering-religious-alternatives-canteen.html

Nems wrote:

eddie wrote:Pffff. Thought I might get some fee pork.

Im going to behave and not say it!

Stooo wrote:

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:it seems some people are sick of the special demands made by other groups...


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2597082/Eat-pork-hungry-Frances-far-right-National-Front-leader-tells-schools-stop-offering-religious-alternatives-canteen.html

Vegetarians?

I don't like seafood, should it be forced on me because of my personal preference?

Sassy wrote:

Stooo wrote:

Vegetarians?

I don't like seafood, should it be forced on me because of my personal preference?

Well, some appeared not to worry about kids with peanut allergies having to eat stuff that might have it in.  And that can kill them.  

Stooo wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Well, some appeared not to worry about kids with peanut allergies having to eat stuff that might have it in.  And that can kill them.  

I've not seen the French eat that much pork anyway. Who the hell forces kids to eat stuff that they don't want to in this day and age?

Stooo wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Well, some appeared not to worry about kids with peanut allergies having to eat stuff that might have it in.  And that can kill them.  

I've not seen the French eat that much pork anyway. Who the hell forces kids to eat stuff that they don't want to in this day and age?

Sassy wrote:

Stooo wrote:

Vegetarians?

I don't like seafood, should it be forced on me because of my personal preference?

Well, some appeared not to worry about kids with peanut allergies having to eat stuff that might have it in.  And that can kill them.  

Nems wrote:

Stooo wrote:

I've not seen the French eat that much pork anyway. Who the hell forces kids to eat stuff that they don't want to in this day and age?

I dont think anyone one is saying that Stoo, what was being said was schools in Britain should not have to remove products that Muslims dont like and they shouldnt have to offer Halal alternatives. I dont think anyone said anything about making an allergic child eat peanuts either.

harvesmom wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Well, some appeared not to worry about kids with peanut allergies having to eat stuff that might have it in.  And that can kill them.  

Sassy, I hope you don't include me in that because I posted on this thread. Just to make it clear, IN NO WAY have I ever agreed that an allergic child should eat peanuts. In fact this thread is about Pork, so I don't even know where peanuts come into it tbh. Unless there is a pork in peanut sauce dish on the menu in French schools of course.

Sassy wrote:

harvesmom wrote:

Sassy, I hope you don't include me in that because I posted on this thread. Just to make it clear, IN NO WAY have I ever agreed that an allergic child should eat peanuts. In fact this thread is about Pork, so I don't even know where peanuts come into it tbh. Unless there is a pork in peanut sauce dish on the menu in French schools of course.

Ok, I accept that, but have you ever been in a school that only offer one thing for lunch?   And what these French .......s are saying is that these children should be FORCED to eat pork or go hungry.   I very much doubt that when pork is on the menu there isn't something else as well.   So basically what I am saying is, do you really want children forced into eating something they don't want to eat, for any reason at all?

SEXY MAMA wrote:I don't think the people who commented on here know any Muslims full stop let alone eat in a Muslim owned establishment.

If the owners are very strict they allow non Muslims to bring their own alcohol with them.

eddie wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Ok, I accept that, but have you ever been in a school that only offer one thing for lunch?   And what these French .......s are saying is that these children should be FORCED to eat pork or go hungry.   I very much doubt that when pork is on the menu there isn't something else as well.   So basically what I am saying is, do you really want children forced into eating something they don't want to eat, for any reason at all?

There are normally three alternatives to choose from on a school menu: if they dint want pork there will be two,other things to choose from.

My son hates cheese. He was always finding it a problem finding something on a menu that didn't have cheese on it. I didn't moan, he just had packed lunch or something else on the menu.

Sassy wrote:

harvesmom wrote:

Sassy, I hope you don't include me in that because I posted on this thread. Just to make it clear, IN NO WAY have I ever agreed that an allergic child should eat peanuts. In fact this thread is about Pork, so I don't even know where peanuts come into it tbh. Unless there is a pork in peanut sauce dish on the menu in French schools of course.

Ok, I accept that, but have you ever been in a school that only offer one thing for lunch?   And what these French .......s are saying is that these children should be FORCED to eat pork or go hungry.   I very much doubt that when pork is on the menu there isn't something else as well.   So basically what I am saying is, do you really want children forced into eating something they don't want to eat, for any reason at all?

lovedust wrote:
The threads gravitated slightly to British schools and Halal meat... but is there any real objection to French Jewish children being offered meal alternatives at school?

eddie wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Ok, I accept that, but have you ever been in a school that only offer one thing for lunch?   And what these French .......s are saying is that these children should be FORCED to eat pork or go hungry.   I very much doubt that when pork is on the menu there isn't something else as well.   So basically what I am saying is, do you really want children forced into eating something they don't want to eat, for any reason at all?

There are normally three alternatives to choose from on a school menu: if they dint want pork there will be two,other things to choose from.

My son hates cheese. He was always finding it a problem finding something on a menu that didn't have cheese on it. I didn't moan, he just had packed lunch or something else on the menu.

harvesmom wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Ok, I accept that, but have you ever been in a school that only offer one thing for lunch?   And what these French .......s are saying is that these children should be FORCED to eat pork or go hungry.   I very much doubt that when pork is on the menu there isn't something else as well.   So basically what I am saying is, do you really want children forced into eating something they don't want to eat, for any reason at all?

I have certainly been in a school that only offered one thing for lunch, its all we ever had when I was at school in the 70's. One choice, if you didn't like it you pushed that part to the side of your plate and ate the rest, or bought sandwiches, I'm still alive although I do have a passionate dislike for liver and onions even to this day.

You make it sound like they have got them taped to a chair and are physically pushing sausages down their throats!

Sassy wrote:

eddie wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Ok, I accept that, but have you ever been in a school that only offer one thing for lunch?   And what these French .......s are saying is that these children should be FORCED to eat pork or go hungry.   I very much doubt that when pork is on the menu there isn't something else as well.   So basically what I am saying is, do you really want children forced into eating something they don't want to eat, for any reason at all?

There are normally three alternatives to choose from on a school menu: if they dint want pork there will be two,other things to choose from.

My son hates cheese. He was always finding it a problem finding something on a menu that didn't have cheese on it. I didn't moan, he just had packed lunch or something else on the menu.

Exactly, so saying children should be forced to eat pork is just for effect.   A smoke screen for Muslim bashing, again.   Only this time the cowards were picking on kids.   Totally despicable.

You start out in 1954 by saying, “n---er, n---er, n---er.” By 1968 you can’t say “n---er”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “n---er, n---er.”

Ben_is_easily_amused wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Exactly, so saying children should be forced to eat pork is just for effect.   A smoke screen for Muslim bashing, again.   Only this time the cowards were picking on kids.   Totally despicable.

So much of the B.S. from the right is a smokescreen for what they're really getting at. Sometimes they even admit it:

You start out in 1954 by saying, “n---er, n---er, n---er.” By 1968 you can’t say “n---er”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “n---er, n---er.”

- legendary Republican operative Lee Atwater

http://www.thenation.com/article/170841/exclusive-lee-atwaters-infamous-1981-interview-southern-strategy

Ben_is_easily_amused wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Exactly, so saying children should be forced to eat pork is just for effect.   A smoke screen for Muslim bashing, again.   Only this time the cowards were picking on kids.   Totally despicable.

So much of the B.S. from the right is a smokescreen for what they're really getting at. Sometimes they even admit it:

You start out in 1954 by saying, “n---er, n---er, n---er.” By 1968 you can’t say “n---er”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “n---er, n---er.”

- legendary Republican operative Lee Atwater

http://www.thenation.com/article/170841/exclusive-lee-atwaters-infamous-1981-interview-southern-strategy

Nems wrote:

Stooo wrote:

I've not seen the French eat that much pork anyway. Who the hell forces kids to eat stuff that they don't want to in this day and age?

I dont think anyone one is saying that Stoo, what was being said was schools in Britain should not have to remove products that Muslims dont like and they shouldnt have to offer Halal alternatives. I dont think anyone said anything about making an allergic child eat peanuts either.

Stooo wrote:

Nems wrote:

I dont think anyone one is saying that Stoo, what was being said was schools in Britain should not have to remove products that Muslims dont like and they shouldnt have to offer Halal alternatives. I dont think anyone said anything about making an allergic child eat peanuts either.

Is it actually happening or is it some other load of bollocks? The DM is hardly an accurate source and I can't be arsed to search.

The analogy with being forced fed peanuts is not a bad one, what else would anyone have forced on them?

Sassy wrote:

harvesmom wrote:

I have certainly been in a school that only offered one thing for lunch, its all we ever had when I was at school in the 70's. One choice, if you didn't like it you pushed that part to the side of your plate and ate the rest, or bought sandwiches, I'm still alive although I do have a passionate dislike for liver and onions even to this day.

You make it sound like they have got them taped to a chair and are physically pushing sausages down their throats!

Not quite, but they want them to go without food if they won't eat pork, and I bet French schools are the same as ours and offer and alternative.   So what they are basically saying is, if pork is on the menu, even if there is an alternative Muslim children should be made to eat that or go hungry.    

victorisnotamused wrote:Point...IF you have halal AND non halal food...dont you need duplicate facilities?
and if non halal food is prepared in an area then halal cannot be.......  ever.....
so...
WHO PAYS FOR THE DOUBLE COSTS???

victorisnotamused wrote:Point...IF you have halal AND non halal food...dont you need duplicate facilities?
and if non halal food is prepared in an area then halal cannot be.......  ever.....
so...
WHO PAYS FOR THE DOUBLE COSTS???

smelly_bandit wrote:The left are once again having a shit fit over the fact the people are sick of Muslims Islam and the demands of both

GOOD!!!!

Let's hope the hatred and resentment only grows more bitter and twisted so we can get these parasites out

VOD(original) wrote:vegetarian is dangerous for children in my opinion .
My friend gave her children vegetarian food and her son always  looked  pale and very skinny , when he reached 16 he started eating meat, i remember when he ate burgers at my house he loved them and even said so.
He is 24 now and is not a vegetarian has colour back in his skin and has a healthy weight