Malaysia Airlines 777 disappears

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This is just in...a Malaysia 777 Airliner, bound from Kuala Lampur to Bejing, has disappeared somewhere over Ho Chi Min airspace.

Just broke, so that's all I have.

Report that the plane tried to turn back. I still think there is a chance it was a N.Korean missile that vapourised it after the near miss last Friday.

smelly_bandit wrote:

Lone Wolf wrote: 
    "Economy of effort", you smelly little troll's fart...

However, your senility is showing through your weak and vacuous atttempts at insulting me in here !

Apparently I was wrong

 
You've nearly always been wrong, Little Troll Farts upon the Winds..      

THAT simple 'home truth' is something that several other members have been pointing out ever since you first appeared on here..

 ::d&f::

Sassy wrote:Report that the plane tried to turn back.   I still think there is a chance it was a N.Korean missile that vapourised it after the near miss last Friday.

Where is the debris?

Catman wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Asia is one of the most backward regions of the world, FTL.

As for terrorist demands, on the explosion theory, it's beginning to look like it was a plot that was intended for western Europe.  Somebody screwed up.  Obviously, travel has been curtailed.

If it was a plot destined for western Europe, they wouldn't have had enough fuel on board to carry the plane there.

No, no, no, Phil. It is the itinerary that has them destined for Europe. It is a well-know route: KL to B'jing, west to Europe, destined for Amsterdam, usually. There are several different flights and planes...it is the itinerary that is common.

The oil slicks have been discounted a day or two before.  The plane was either in human control or it was not.

If it was in human control, why haven't we heard anything?

If the plane exploded, either it was over water or over land.  If it was over water, there would be debris.  Why is there none?

Satellites are of little use if they are not focused on the plane.  Radar was sketchy to non-existent.

What we know, simply, is the plane executed a turn-around maneuver, and then whiff...nothing.  Even the turn-around could be man-made, or just winds flipping the aircraft over.  It must have been over land, because there is no debris field on the water surface.

Or, the plane has been taken, and it has landed safely at some airport. But we should hear something, in that case.

Original Quill wrote:The oil slicks have been discounted a day or two before.  The plane was either in human control or it was not.

If it was in human control, why haven't we heard anything?

If the plane exploded, either it was over water or over land.  If it was over water, there would be debris.  Why is there none?

Satellites are of little use if they are not focused on the plane.  Radar was sketchy to non-existent.

What we know, simply, is the plane executed a turn-around maneuver, and then whiff...nothing.  Even the turn-around could be man-made, or just winds flipping the aircraft over.  It must have been over land, because there is no debris field on the water surface.

Or, the plane has been taken, and it has landed safely at some airport.  But we should hear something, in that case.

culprits???
            

Well it the most likely on the list           

http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/the-conspiracy-theories-surrounding-missing-flight-mh370/story-fnjwmwrh-1226851465289

Or......

    They mayhap flew into that that non-existent mythical "Fukoshima flume.." thingy ?

Just like any rogue missile launches out of N. Korea would have been detected by defence networks in S. Korea (the USA), Japan, Singapore (Britain), Indonesia and Australia, as well as next door in China..
And ignoring the fact that such a wayward missile should have travelled through S. Korean and Malaysian or Vietnamese air space !

A lot of people could be under the illusion these days that many of those little S.E. Asian "Tiger economies" are also being magically transformed into 'First world' countries at the same time. Such is NOT the reality in this part of the world though ~ where many parts of Malaysia, Vietnam, Cambodia, outlying regions of Indonesia, and little forgotten pockets where nobody remembers their names, are in fact still living and working in Third world conditions , among the wealthy elites and their shiny new skyscrapers...    

THAT includes their ineffective air traffic "control" sytems, non-existent airport "security", corrupt military leaders, deadly sea ports, lack of worker protections, and rough business practices..    

   Another (after)thought:

SOME people here and elsewhere over the last couple of days have referred to the "Black Box" pinging away merrily among any wreckage that might be there, likewise with the plane's EPIRB/radio beacon...

Those people should be reminded that those radio waves can only travel a couple of hundred feet or less underwater (cf a couple -> a few hundred miles/kms through the atmosphere..) ~ and as a result they cannot be picked up by planes or satellites, but only by ships on the water or by submarines..      

Sassy wrote:
Report that the plane tried to turn back.   I still think there is a chance it was a N.Korean missile that vapourised it after the near miss last Friday.

  

Sassy wrote "vapourised" !

Can anybody out there give me even one legitimate real-world example of planes "vapourising" completely during catastrophic mid-air explosions  ?

Doesn't happen, folks ~ there is always debris after an explosion.. Except in certain S.F. movies...  

Catman wrote:...If your phone got blown up, would it still ring?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-eerie-moment-3222919

That's odd   

Is it entirely possible, that the plane flew, whole, into the water?
In that case there would be no debris, oil slick, etc?


Hmmm but then the mobile phones wouldn't ring?

Can anyone tell me who may be after this particular nationality(ies), too?

Malaysia Airlines MH370: hijacking and sabotage are 'areas of concern'
Malaysian authorities say no explanations have been ruled out as search for missing plane continues

Malaysian police are investigating whether hijacking, sabotage, or the crew and passengers' personal or psychological problems could be to blame for flight MH370's disappearance, they said on Tuesday.

"Other than mechanical problems, these are the main areas of concern," said Malaysia's inspector general, Tan Sri Khalid Abu Bakar.

Malaysian authorities have said they have not ruled out any explanations for the Malaysia Airlines plane going missing.

The police chief also said that one of the passengers travelling on a stolen passport had been identified as a 19-year-old Iranian man, believed to be travelling to Europe to seek asylum, and was not thought likely to be a member of a terrorist group. The other man has yet to be identified.

Asked what he might mean by personal problems, he gave the example of someone who had bought a large insurance policy that would benefit family members.

Malaysia Airlines said authorities were searching the Malaysian peninsula, while the Vietnamese military said its units were hunting for any sign that the aircraft might have crashed into remote mountains or uninhabited jungle areas.

In a statement released on Tuesday, Malaysia Airlines said: "The authorities are looking at a possibility of an attempt made by MH370 to turn back to Subang. All angles are being looked at. We are not ruling out any possibilities."

That was presumably a reference to Malaysia's Sultan Abdul Aziz Shah airport, also known as Subang airport. It lies not far to the north-west of Kuala Lumpur international airport, where the plane took off.

Malaysia's air force chief had previously said military radar suggested the aircraft might have made a U-turn. Lieutenant General Vo Van Tuan, deputy chief of staff of the Vietnamese army, told the Associated Press that authorities on land had been ordered to search for the plane, with military units also searching near the border with Laos and Cambodia.

"So far we have found no signs … so we must widen our search on land," he said.

Taiwan and New Zealand have joined the multinational hunt. The search area in the Gulf of Thailand and South China Sea – where the plane was first noticed missing from radar screens in the early hours of Saturday – has been expanded. Crews are also searching off the western coast of Malaysia and up towards the Andaman Sea because of the possibility that the plane turned back.

There have been fresh sightings of potential debris in the area but previous reports of oil slicks and possible wreckage have turned out to have no connection to the flight.

"Until now, with all of our efforts, there is very little hope for any good news about this plane," said Pham Quy Tieu, the head of Vietnam's search and rescue effort.

China had deployed 10 satellites using high-resolution earth imaging capabilities, visible light imaging and other technologies to assist the search, the People's Liberation Army Daily said.

The head of the organisation that monitors the nuclear test ban treaty said it was using its technology to check for any signs of an explosion close to where the flight went missing. Lassina Zerbo, who leads the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty Organisation, said it was possible its infrasound sensors – which capture very low frequency acoustic waves – might have been able to detect a blast.

The United States has reviewed imagery from spy satellites for any glimpse of a mid-air explosion, without success.

Malaysia Airlines confirmed that maintenance 12 days before the Boeing 777 vanished had shown no signs of any problems. It said the plane was 12 years old and had flown for almost 53,500 hours.

Thai police played down the prospect that two men travelling on stolen passports were linked to the disappearance of the plane. "We haven't ruled it out but the weight of evidence we're getting swings against the idea that these men are or were involved in terrorism," Supachai Puikaewcome, chief of police in the Thai resort city of Pattaya, told Reuters.

The Bangkok Post said an employee at the travel agency said the man who booked the seats – an Iranian man known only as Mr Ali, who had often done business with the company – had originally asked for Etihad or Qatar Airways flights to Copenhagen and Frankfurt but then decided to book flights on China Southern because it was much cheaper.

Around two-thirds of the 227 passengers were Chinese and there were 12 Malaysian crew.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/11/flight-mh370-hijacking-sabotage-passengers-problems-concern


So terrible for those people waiting, who might never know.  

They appear to be doing absolutely everything they can to find it, but maybe an answer will never be found.

Mr Ali eh?

Hang on, let me stick my head out the window and shout that name - we'll see how many come running.

Don't you ever get sick of being a total prat?

I must say this really is a mystery - specially the fact that the phones are still ringing! I wonder what'll happen if they never find it, which seems more and more likely.

Tess. wrote:I must say this really is a mystery - specially the fact that the phones are still ringing!  I wonder what'll happen if they never find it, which seems more and more likely.  

It will be found.

Was flight MH370 lost in an aeronautical black hole, or was it electronic warfare?

•Boeing 777's transponder should provide information to traffic controllers
•But at 1.20am on Saturday, transponder on flight MH370 stopped working
•Experts baffled by loss of communication and subsequent lack of debris
•One theory links 20 defence tech experts on board to electronic warfare
•There are also 'aeronautical black holes' in the region that could mean the plane is hundreds - or even thousands - of miles away from searches
•Nuclear experts are now using a 'infrasound' to find out if an explosion took place at the altitude of the plane


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2578197/Is-Boeing-777-hiding-invisibility-cloak-lost-black-hole-Experts-try-unravel-mystery-Malaysia-Airlines-missing-aircraft.html

eddie wrote:Is it entirely possible, that the plane flew, whole, into the water?
In that case there would be no debris, oil slick, etc?


Hmmm but then the mobile phones wouldn't ring?

Can anyone tell me who may be after this particular nationality(ies),  too?

An aircraft flying headlong in to water would hit harder than into concrete...water pushes back. There would be a huge debris field and much of it floating. That is why they are looking at land...the debris could be hidden under jungle canopy. If the plane went straight, it would be in Vietnam, if it turned around it would be in Malaysia.

Strangely, the authorities have called off the search in the Gulf of Thailand. They are now searching west, on the other side.

Original Quill wrote:

eddie wrote:Is it entirely possible, that the plane flew, whole, into the water?
In that case there would be no debris, oil slick, etc?


Hmmm but then the mobile phones wouldn't ring?

Can anyone tell me who may be after this particular nationality(ies),  too?

An aircraft flying headlong in to water would hit harder than into concrete...water pushes back.  There would be a huge debris field and much of it floating.  That is why they are looking at land...the debris could be hidden under jungle canopy.  If the plane went straight, it would be in Vietnam, if it turned around it would be in Malaysia.  

Strangely, the authorities have called off the search in the Gulf of Thailand.  They are now searching west, on the other side.

But if it had flown to land it would more than likely have been tracked.

It disappeared, hence it most probably "disintegrated" for whatever reason.

It's a mystery alright.

Quite right andy...well, there is no way that an aircraft can simply dematerialize.  But, there is a growing suspicion by other nationalities involved, that the Malaysians are not being forthcoming...that they are hiding something.

That is the theory that is blossoming as of this Tuesday morning.

Original Quill wrote:Quite right andy.  There is a growing suspicion by other nationalities involved, that the Malaysians are not being forthcoming...that they are hiding something.

That is the theory that is blossoming as of this Tuesday morning.

Ah, I didn't know that.

I honestly can't believe that they would dare try to hide anything about such a serious and tragic event.

Might be just panic. They are acting a bit squirrely. This is not a very sophisticated part of the world.

Original Quill wrote:Might be just panic.  They are acting a bit squirrely.  This is not a very sophisticated part of the world.

OMG! Which just shows the ignorance and the mindset of the poster. Racist or what!!!!!!!!

Sassy wrote:

Original Quill wrote:Might be just panic.  They are acting a bit squirrely.  This is not a very sophisticated part of the world.

OMG!   Which just shows the ignorance and the mindset of the poster.   Racist or what!!!!!!!!

Eh?

  

BigAndy9 wrote:

Sassy wrote:

OMG!   Which just shows the ignorance and the mindset of the poster.   Racist or what!!!!!!!!

Eh?

  

Not you for once, Quill saying 'not very sophisticated part of the world'. Obviously not a clue. Singapore and Kuala Lumpur are extremely sophisticated.

Sassy wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:

Eh?

  

Not you for once, Quill saying 'not very sophisticated part of the world'.   Obviously not a clue.   Singapore and Kuala Lumpur are extremely sophisticated.

I know who it was aimed at, I just don't think what he said was RACIST.

The area Sassy.  The area.

EDIT: part of the world!

BigAndy9 wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Not you for once, Quill saying 'not very sophisticated part of the world'.   Obviously not a clue.   Singapore and Kuala Lumpur are extremely sophisticated.

I know who it was aimed at, I just don't think what he said was RACIST.

The area Sassy.  The area.

EDIT:  part of the world!

"They are acting a bit squirrely.  This is not a very sophisticated part of the world."

ie the people in that part of the world are not very sophisticated.

Not true, wrong, and racist.

lmao bloody hell Sassy.

They - he was clearly talking about the Malaysian authorities.

This is not a very sophisticated part of the world - Malaysia, Vietnam, Cambodia.

Must I really get the facts and figures from Wikipedia? Actually no, I won't - go and do it yourself.

BigAndy9 wrote:lmao bloody hell Sassy.

They - he was clearly talking about the Malaysian authorities.

This is not a very sophisticated part of the world - Malaysia, Vietnam, Cambodia.

Must I really get the facts and figures from Wikipedia?  Actually no, I won't - go and do it yourself.

I don't need to. Quill was referring to 'the Malaysian authorities'. Only someone who knew nothing about Malaysia would refer to them as unsophisticated.

Case in point, they did not even have radar extending out into the Gulf of Thailand covering the relatively short distance to Vietnam.  They can't tell if the plane made a reverse turn.  They have no means to intercept the data bursts that every modern plane has, and which would tell us about the status and functioning of the craft.

Andy, when discussing serious matters it is best to completely ignore sassy.  She has interpersonal issues that lead her to lose the mark.

Back to the airplane...

"It changed course after Kota Bharu and took a lower altitude. It made it into the Malacca Strait," the senior military officer, who has been briefed on investigations, told Reuters.

That would appear to rule out sudden catastrophic mechanical failure, as it would mean the plane flew around 500 km (350 miles) at least after its last contact with air traffic control, although its transponder and other tracking systems were off.

Back to the plane. Malaysia has a very sophisticated radar system and the reason it doesn't extend out is because countries work out between them by agreement where their radar will take over. and takeover points. My Dad helped set up the radar systems in Malaysia and Singapore many years ago and it was handed on to people who knew exactly what they were doing. Quill seems to think that anything east of Europe knows nothing, a great failing of his. ATT (Advanced Air Traffic Control Systems) have a very large company base in Selengor Malaysia, and are one of the leading companies in the world in Air Traffic Systems.

Sassy wrote:Back to the plane.   Malaysia has a very sophisticated radar system and the reason it doesn't extend out is because countries work out between them by agreement where their radar will take over. and takeover points.   My Dad helped set up the radar systems in Malaysia and Singapore many years ago and it was handed on to people who knew exactly what they were doing.   Quill seems to think that anything east of Europe knows nothing, a great failing of his.   ATT (Advanced Air Traffic Control Systems) have a very large company base in Selengor Malaysia, and are one of the leading companies in the world in Air Traffic Systems.

well there you have it

if your father is as thick as you are the radars they have probably don't work at all

smelly_bandit wrote:

Sassy wrote:Back to the plane.   Malaysia has a very sophisticated radar system and the reason it doesn't extend out is because countries work out between them by agreement where their radar will take over. and takeover points.   My Dad helped set up the radar systems in Malaysia and Singapore many years ago and it was handed on to people who knew exactly what they were doing.   Quill seems to think that anything east of Europe knows nothing, a great failing of his.   ATT (Advanced Air Traffic Control Systems) have a very large company base in Selengor Malaysia, and are one of the leading companies in the world in Air Traffic Systems.

well there you have it

if your father is as thick as you are the radars they have probably don't work at all

Of course Smelly, the fact that he was in charge of setting up the modern military radar systems in this country and got an OBE for it, is one of the reasons you stand a chance of sleeping easy in your bed. Unfortunately poor soul, I doubt your IQ exceeds 100 on a very liberal estimate.

The Royal Malaysian Air Force have one of the most advanced radar systems in the world capable of tracking and identifying aircraft over a wide geographical area. In fact, it's made by Thales Raytheon Systems in Fullerton, California and Massy in France in a joint program between the two companies and it's pratically the same spec as used by the US and Canadian armed forces.
Malaysia also just recently spent 28 Million Euros upgrading it's ATC systems to provide an interface between the RMAF ATC and the civil ATC so any suggestion that Malaysia has inferior radar systems is nothing short of a joke.,

Seriously, to say that area of the world is 'unsophisticated' is sheer bloody ignorance.

Sassy wrote:Seriously, to say that area of the world is 'unsophisticated' is sheer bloody ignorance.

That area of the world actually makes a huge percentage of the software and hardware packages that go into thousands of electronic systems that are used in the commercial and military applications that are in use today. In fact you would be hard pushed to find a computer that is being used anywhere in the world that does not have parts in with with a 'Made in (that area of the world)' label on it

Was just reading about the mobile phones of passengers appearing to ring when dialed by family members.


This whole incident is very strange and this makes it even stranger.

Won't argue about that, it is. They are now looking at a completely different scenario as they have determined that it turned and flew back over Kuala Lumpur, heading in the wrong direction. I think it's the weirdest thing I have heard in a long time.

strange how we can be traced by our mobile phone signal and every time we use our cash cards , but they cannot trace a huge boeing plane ?

suspicious   

Totally different systems of tracing   

i know that i just find it hard to believe , and how about family calling mobile phones and getting the ring tone , if the plane was in the water the signal is dead as the phone is dead , and some appeared online too .

Very weird, but it appears it changed course, who knows what happened. There is probably a very simple explanation, like the auto pilot got stuck or some such. Maybe we will never know.

Auto pilot doesn't make a plane fly around for 3-4 days and invisible.

I know, but they have now traced it flying back over Kaula Lumpur, so they know it turned round. Perhaps at that point it was on auto pilot, then something happened. We'll probably guess for ever.

Can't remember where or when it was but it was some time ago that an aircraft was highjacked and whover the group were they actually prepared an area in a remote location so that it could land. Of course they didn't have to worry about getting it back up again so just a reasonably flat and vey hard surfaced area and enough distance would be enough.
Doesn't really make sense here though because no-one has claimed responsibility or made any demands.

I remember that. It really is weird. Perhaps it was                 

I agree this is a strong possibility.


If longer this goes on and no debris found then must have landed somewhere.

The mobile phone stuff already suggests that if true.

Tommy Monk wrote:I agree this is a strong possibility.


If longer this goes on and no debris found then must have landed somewhere.

The mobile phone stuff already suggests that if true.

I think that's what the families are pining their hopes on Tommy. I sincerely hope that is what has happened but I have my doubts