Malaysia Airlines 777 disappears

This is just in...a Malaysia 777 Airliner, bound from Kuala Lampur to Bejing, has disappeared somewhere over Ho Chi Min airspace.

Just broke, so that's all I have.

I think I got a thingy about that on my phone, too -- scary stuff. Hope they're OK, but they probably aren't.

It's nuff to worry me. They could be all right. Hope so.

239 people aboard a plane that is estimated to have run out of fuel by now if it didn't crash: http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/07/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane-missing/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Also:

The passengers are of 13 nationalities, the airline said. They were from China and Taiwan (154), Malaysia (38), Indonesia (12), Australia (7), France (3), United States (4), New Zealand (2), Ukraine (2), Canada (2), Russia (1), Italy (1), Netherlands (1), Austria (1).

Unless they have been accidentally hit by a wayward North Korean missile test, my first suspicion would be that they have crashed in those mountains?

Meaning some rough and remote areas to search through.

Isn't Ho Chi Min City in the south, Mekong delta area? Course, I have no idea why they speculate the plane went down there. Just because that is where they last heard from them...they could be anywhere.

IF that Vietnamese control tower that was tracking them is still using old Russian and Chinese made 'war-surplus euipment, then their actual position could be anywhere beteen Singapore and Tibet !

Time for the air traffic control people in HCM City to get out the hammers for some urgent maintenance.

Lol.  Yeah, too, the plane had just gone off the radar when I posted.  First report.  Must be more information by now.

I've got an app on my phone that can connect to the gps in airplanes and track flights. Maybe I should send a copy to HCM control tower.

Malaysia Airlines denies crash report, says plane still missing

(Reuters) - A Malaysia Airlines flight carrying 227 passengers and 12 crew went missing over the South China Sea on Saturday, presumed crashed, as ships from countries closest to its flight path scoured a large search area for any wreckage.
Vietnamese state media, quoting a senior naval official, had reported that the Boeing 777-200ER flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing had crashed off south Vietnam, but Malaysia's transport minister later denied any crash scene had been identified.

"We are doing everything in our power to locate the plane.

We are doing everything we can to ensure every possible angle has been addressed," Transport Minister Hishamuddin Hussein told reporters near the Kuala Lumpur International Airport.

"We are looking for accurate information from the Malaysian military. They are waiting for information from the Vietnamese side," he said.



http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/03/08/uk-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUKBREA2701C20140308


Air France also disappeared before falling into the sea a few years ago, it never gave a distress signal either....

6:00 pm (Australian daylight Saving Time) Evening news still had the plane "missing" off the south of Vietnam, and search had been underway in the waters off Vietnam for a couple of hours at that time (i.e. just over 3 hours ago..).

It shoud ALSO be noted that (1) Aerial searches have a very low "success" rate, because of limited plane coverage over big patches of water; and (2) EPIRBS don't work once the plane has gone under the water.

Well, it's probably in the water.

We'd have heard about it if it had crashed on land.

BigAndy9 wrote:Well, it's probably in the water.

We'd have heard about it if it had crashed on land.

Yes, it seems so Andy   

http://news.sky.com/story/1222740/live-updates-search-for-malaysia-airlines-plane wrote:A Malaysia Airlines plane with 239 people on board has crashed into the sea after losing contact with air traffic control 16 hours ago, say reports.

The Boeing 777-200 was flying from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing when it vanished around two hours into the flight.

Vietnamese state media quoted a navy official as saying Flight MH370 crashed near Tho Chu island, off Vietnam's south coast.
All ships in the local area have been sent to the scene to look for survivors.

No wreckage has been found.

Terrible.

I have just read that an Austrian and Italian who were "on the flight" are in fact safe and well in their respective countries.

Their passports were stolen some time ago.





Austria's foreign ministry has confirmed that an Austrian citizen reported to be on the flight is safe at home. His passport was stolen two years ago while he was travelling in Thailand, a spokesman said.

by gary.anderson2 3:28 PM








Malaysia Airlines listed one of the passengers on the plane as a 37-year-old Italian called Luigi Maraldi.

However, according to reports in Italy, Mr Maraldi has contacted his parents to say he was not on the airliner.

He had his passport stolen in Thailand several months ago, leaving questions over who had used his passport to board the plane and whether that has anything to do with the airliner's disappearance.

Is there a muslim problem in that area?

This is just too awful to think about.

Latest news:


Was it a terror attack? Two people aboard Boeing 777 that disappeared over Vietnam were traveling on STOLEN PASSPORTS as missing U.S passengers identified as IBM exec and two toddlers

Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 took off from Kuala Lumpur at 12.21am
Vietnamese Navy detected emergency signal 153 miles out to sea
Flight MH370 declared missing nearly 90 minutes after it was due to land
Malaysian Transport Minister said 'no crash site has been found'
227 passengers and 12 crew were from 14 different countries including Malaysia, China, U.S., France, Canada, and Australia
Three Americans, including two toddlers, feared dead
IBM employee Philip Wood, 51, identified as sole adult American national aboard the missing plane

Two passengers believed to have been travelling on a stolen passports

Aviation expert Chris Yates said the aircraft will not have been carrying enough fuel to still be flying and 'will have crashed'
He said the investigation will look at two areas, the maintenance of the aircraft and possible terrorism
Vietnamese air force spot two oil slicks suspected to be from the wreckage


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2576087/Malaysia-Airlines-says-plane-missing.html#ixzz2vOYstkuN

BigAndy9 wrote:Is there a muslim problem in that area?

This is just too awful to think about.

   I knew when I saw your name, andy, where you were going. Gotta be an a-rab in there somewhere.

BigAndy9 wrote:Latest news:


Was it a terror attack? Two people aboard Boeing 777 that disappeared over Vietnam were traveling on STOLEN PASSPORTS as missing U.S passengers identified as IBM exec and two toddlers

Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 took off from Kuala Lumpur at 12.21am
Vietnamese Navy detected emergency signal 153 miles out to sea
Flight MH370 declared missing nearly 90 minutes after it was due to land
Malaysian Transport Minister said 'no crash site has been found'
227 passengers and 12 crew were from 14 different countries including Malaysia, China, U.S., France, Canada, and Australia
Three Americans, including two toddlers, feared dead
IBM employee Philip Wood, 51, identified as sole adult American national aboard the missing plane

Two passengers believed to have been travelling on a stolen passports

Aviation expert Chris Yates said the aircraft will not have been carrying enough fuel to still be flying and 'will have crashed'
He said the investigation will look at two areas, the maintenance of the aircraft and possible terrorism
Vietnamese air force spot two oil slicks suspected to be from the wreckage


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2576087/Malaysia-Airlines-says-plane-missing.html#ixzz2vOYstkuN

One of the most plausible theories is that it was a terrorist attack...at least right now.

Seems to me this could have a lot to do with it, who knows how many they are launching:


China voices 'deep concern' to North Korea over plane near-miss

BEIJING Fri Mar 7, 2014 5:08am EST


(Reuters) - China has expressed its "deep concern" to North Korea after a Chinese airplane crossed the path of a rocket launched by the isolated state, China's foreign ministry said on Friday.

On Thursday, South Korea's defense ministry said a Chinese civilian plane had "passed as the ballistic missile (from North Korea) was in the course of descending".

The plane was flying from Tokyo's Narita airport to the northeastern Chinese city of Shenyang on Tuesday, the ministry said.

"On this issue, we have already contacted the North Korean side to convey our deep concern," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang told a daily news briefing.

China is North Korea's most important diplomatic and economic supporter, though Beijing's patience with Pyongyang has been severely tested following three nuclear tests and numerous bouts of saber rattling, including missile launches.

On Thursday, Qin had said the Chinese airplane was unaffected and urged Pyongyang to ensure the safety of civilian aircraft.

Media reports had identified the Chinese airplane as a China Southern Airlines flight.

Company chairman Si Xianmin confirmed to Reuters that one of his firm's planes intersected the trajectory of the North Korean missile.

"The report is true, but the missile was far away from the plane -- it was six minutes away and I don't know how many kilometers away in terms of altitude," Si told Reuters.

A spokeswoman from the Civil Aviation Administration of China told Reuters on Thursday that she had read the reports but had no knowledge of the incident, adding that the agency had not been contacted by China Southern Airlines.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/07/us-korea-north-china-idUSBREA260CV20140307

They track missiles...even if they enter a dead radar zone. They'd be all over such a story by now.

It could be everyone is keeping quiet about it...if it happened.

They didn't track the one that nearly hit the other aircraft, or they wouldn't have had a flight anywhere near the missile.

You only find out these things after the fact. How do you think they knew about it??   

BigAndy9 wrote:Latest news:


Was it a terror attack? Two people aboard Boeing 777 that disappeared over Vietnam were traveling on STOLEN PASSPORTS as missing U.S passengers identified as IBM exec and two toddlers

Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 took off from Kuala Lumpur at 12.21am
Vietnamese Navy detected emergency signal 153 miles out to sea
Flight MH370 declared missing nearly 90 minutes after it was due to land
Malaysian Transport Minister said 'no crash site has been found'
227 passengers and 12 crew were from 14 different countries including Malaysia, China, U.S., France, Canada, and Australia
Three Americans, including two toddlers, feared dead
IBM employee Philip Wood, 51, identified as sole adult American national aboard the missing plane

Two passengers believed to have been travelling on a stolen passports

Aviation expert Chris Yates said the aircraft will not have been carrying enough fuel to still be flying and 'will have crashed'
He said the investigation will look at two areas, the maintenance of the aircraft and possible terrorism
Vietnamese air force spot two oil slicks suspected to be from the wreckage


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2576087/Malaysia-Airlines-says-plane-missing.html#ixzz2vOYstkuN

ALLAHU Akbar

Any takers??

Sassy wrote:
They didn't track the one that nearly hit the other aircraft, or they wouldn't have had a flight anywhere near the missile.

  

Confucious say, it is an Empty-headed old crone of a Woman who continually talks the most Rubbish on subjects so often outside and Above her level of knowledge and understanding...

Silly ol' moo, is she..

BigAndy9 wrote:
Latest news:
Was it a terror attack? Two people aboard Boeing 777 that disappeared over Vietnam were traveling on STOLEN PASSPORTS as missing U.S passengers identified as IBM exec and two toddlers

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Two passengers believed to have been travelling on a stolen passports

  

At least four, maybe up to 6 or 7 stolen passports now identified among passenger list, B'Andy..

(The number of Aussies was lowered from 7 to 6 a couple of hours after the crash ~ that's another on there..).

Terrorist attack now being discussed as top possibility, along with some other form of sudden and catastrophic failure..

A couple of oil slicks have been found and filmed off Vietnam, but as of last nights news (it's now early Monday here..), no signs of wreckage found yet.

For 'Andy's and Smelly's edification (that's their big word for today..) ~ The #1 al Qaeda-linked terrorist group in this region is Jemal Islamiah, based in Singapore, Indonesia and Malaysia.

Religions are mixed across local countries, in S.E. Asia. For example =>
Andy and smelly will delight in Malaysia, Indonesia and Brunei being a majority Muslim populations.
The Philippines are predominantly Christian, mostly Catholic.
Thailand is mostly Buddhist. As are Burma and several other small states..
Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos may be "communist" in name - if not in businessand tourism, but they never had their religions successfully stripped from them ~ Buddhism and Catholicism dominate, with some native/animistic traditional beliefs still existing in some remote/rural areas.
Hinduism and Sikh faiths also scattered across the region, ith the spread of Indian and Sri Lankan workers across the region..

IT'S a real multicultural hodge-podge wild frontier" in there, boys ! A good place for the narro-minded white-boy honkey bigots of ye Olde World to stay away from...    

Lone Wolf wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:
Latest news:
Was it a terror attack? Two people aboard Boeing 777 that disappeared over Vietnam were traveling on STOLEN PASSPORTS as missing U.S passengers identified as IBM exec and two toddlers

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Two passengers believed to have been travelling on a stolen passports

  

At least four, maybe up to 6 or 7 stolen passports now identified among passenger list, B'Andy..

(The number of Aussies was lowered from 7 to 6 a couple of hours after the crash ~ that's another on there..).

Terrorist attack now being discussed as top possibility, along with some other form of sudden and catastrophic failure..

A couple of oil slicks have been found and filmed off Vietnam, but as of last nights news (it's now early Monday here..), no signs of wreckage found yet.

For 'Andy's and Smelly's edification (that's their big word for today..) ~ The #1 al Qaeda-linked terrorist group in this region is Jemal Islamiah, based in Singapore, Indonesia and Malaysia.

Religions are mixed across local countries, in S.E. Asia. For example =>
Andy and smelly will delight in Malaysia, Indonesia and Brunei being a majority Muslim populations.
The Philippines are predominantly Christian, mostly Catholic.
Thailand is mostly Buddhist. As are Burma and several other small states..
Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos may be "communist" in name - if not in businessand tourism, but they never had their religions successfully stripped from them ~ Buddhism and Catholicism dominate, with some native/animistic traditional beliefs still existing in some remote/rural areas.
Hinduism and Sikh faiths also scattered across the region, ith the spread of Indian and Sri Lankan workers across the region..

IT'S a real multicultural hodge-podge wild frontier" in there, boys ! A good place for the narro-minded white-boy honkey bigots of ye Olde World to stay away from...    

im sure you will get to your point soon enough

smelly_bandit wrote:

Lone Wolf wrote:
  

At least four, maybe up to 6 or 7 stolen passports now identified among passenger list, B'Andy..

(The number of Aussies was lowered from 7 to 6 a couple of hours after the crash ~ that's another on there..).

Terrorist attack now being discussed as top possibility, along with some other form of sudden and catastrophic failure..

A couple of oil slicks have been found and filmed off Vietnam, but as of last nights news (it's now early Monday here..), no signs of wreckage found yet.

For 'Andy's and Smelly's edification (that's their big word for today..) ~ The #1 al Qaeda-linked terrorist group in this region is Jemal Islamiah, based in Singapore, Indonesia and Malaysia.

Religions are mixed across local countries, in S.E. Asia. For example =>
Andy and smelly will delight in Malaysia, Indonesia and Brunei being a majority Muslim populations.
The Philippines are predominantly Christian, mostly Catholic.
Thailand is mostly Buddhist. As are Burma and several other small states..
Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos may be "communist" in name - if not in businessand tourism, but they never had their religions successfully stripped from them ~ Buddhism and Catholicism dominate, with some native/animistic traditional beliefs still existing in some remote/rural areas.
Hinduism and Sikh faiths also scattered across the region, ith the spread of Indian and Sri Lankan workers across the region..

IT'S a real multicultural hodge-podge wild frontier" in there, boys ! A good place for the narro-minded white-boy honkey bigots of ye Olde World to stay away from...    

im sure you will get to your point soon enough

You'd think so, wouldn't you?   

Looks like a terrorist attack or a sudden catastrophic failure of the aircraft itself leaving the crew with not enough time to report any problems

It'll probably take a a very long time to recover the evidence that now lies at the bottom of the sea.

eddie wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

im sure you will get to your point soon enough

You'd think so, wouldn't you?   

  

Eddie gets the Pointless Attack Post of the day award for today...

Silly old bag, as always, really has no idea of what she speaks of..   

smelly_bandit wrote:

Lone Wolf wrote:
  
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For 'Andy's and Smelly's edification (that's their big word for today..) ~ The #1 al Qaeda-linked terrorist group in this region is Jemal Islamiah, based in Singapore, Indonesia and Malaysia.................

IT'S a real multicultural hodge-podge wild frontier" in there, boys ! A good place for the narro-minded white-boy honkey bigots of ye Olde World to stay away from......    

im sure you will get to your point soon enough

 
  "Economy of effort", you smelly little troll's fart...

I was addressing questions that you and B'Andy had both left at the end of your earlier posts ~ so there are FOUR relevant "points" in there..

However, your senility is showing through your weak and vacuous atttempts at insulting me in here ! ::d&f:: 

Irn Bru wrote:Looks like a terrorist attack or a sudden catastrophic failure of the aircraft itself leaving the crew with not enough time to report any problems

It'll probably take a a very long time to recover the evidence that now lies at the bottom of the sea.

The terrorist theory was looking good for two days, but whoever it is would be announcing it by now. The catastrophic failure theory seems most promising. Looks like the A380 Air France flight that went down in the Atlantic.

Apparently the South China Sea is very shallow. Where they see the oil slicks it is about 300' only. They should be able to hear the black box locator pings in that shallow water.

Lone Wolf wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

im sure you will get to your point soon enough

 
    "Economy of effort", you smelly little troll's fart...

I was addressing questions that you and B'Andy had both left at the end of your earlier posts ~ so there are FOUR relevant "points" in there..

However, your senility is showing through your weak and vacuous atttempts at insulting me in here !  ::d&f:: 

Apparently I was wrong

It seems You're going to be long winded about making your point

Original Quill wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:Looks like a terrorist attack or a sudden catastrophic failure of the aircraft itself leaving the crew with not enough time to report any problems

It'll probably take a a very long time to recover the evidence that now lies at the bottom of the sea.

The terrorist theory was looking good for two days, but whoever it is would be announcing it by now.  The catastrophic failure theory seems most promising.  Looks like the A380 Air France flight that went down in the Atlantic.

Apparently the South China Sea is very shallow.  Where they see the oil slicks it is about 300' only.  They should be able to hear the black box locator pings in that shallow water.

Oil slick identified as not being from missing plane.

gerber wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

The terrorist theory was looking good for two days, but whoever it is would be announcing it by now.  The catastrophic failure theory seems most promising.  Looks like the A380 Air France flight that went down in the Atlantic.

Apparently the South China Sea is very shallow.  Where they see the oil slicks it is about 300' only.  They should be able to hear the black box locator pings in that shallow water.

Oil slick identified as not being from missing plane.

I saw that. Not only that, but there is absolutely no debris whatsoever. Even Air France flight #447 left some debris in the Atlantic.

For this reason, they are beginning to look over land. Other anomalies: the tickets bought for the two stolen passports was by an Iranian man. The two stolen passports were traveling together...and they were headed to western Europe, according to their travel itinerary.

Someone said on Sky News that if it had exploded in the sky, satellites would have picked that up - they didn't. Very strange. Is it possible it's been hijacked and landed somewhere?

Tess. wrote:Someone said on Sky News that if it had exploded in the sky, satellites would have picked that up - they didn't.  Very strange.  Is it possible it's been hijacked and landed somewhere?

Yes, and most likely not over water. An explosion would leave a debris field on the water.

Military radar is more extensive than civilian radar, and the military says the aircraft might have been trying to execute a turn-around. For this reason they are looking in the jungles of east Malaysia.

Original Quill wrote:

Tess. wrote:Someone said on Sky News that if it had exploded in the sky, satellites would have picked that up - they didn't.  Very strange.  Is it possible it's been hijacked and landed somewhere?

Yes, and most likely not over water.  An explosion would leave a debris field on the water.

Military radar is more extensive than civilian radar, and the military says the aircraft might have been trying to execute a turn-around.  For this reason they are looking in the jungles of east Malaysia.

Really Quill?? How can that happen with today's technology? Why haven't there been any demands? Awful  

It must have been instant, or the crew were instantly put out of action some way.

I can only assume it was the EDL.

feelthelove wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Yes, and most likely not over water.  An explosion would leave a debris field on the water.

Military radar is more extensive than civilian radar, and the military says the aircraft might have been trying to execute a turn-around.  For this reason they are looking in the jungles of east Malaysia.

Really Quill?? How can that happen with today's technology? Why haven't there been any demands? Awful  

Asia is one of the most backward regions of the world, FTL.

As for terrorist demands, on the explosion theory, it's beginning to look like it was a plot that was intended for western Europe. Somebody screwed up. Obviously, travel has been curtailed.

Original Quill wrote:

feelthelove wrote:

Really Quill?? How can that happen with today's technology? Why haven't there been any demands? Awful  

Asia is one of the most backward regions of the world, FTL.

As for terrorist demands, on the explosion theory, it's beginning to look like it was a plot that was intended for western Europe.  Somebody screwed up.  Obviously, travel has been curtailed.

If it was a plot destined for western Europe, they wouldn't have had enough fuel on board to carry the plane there.

...If your phone got blown up, would it still ring?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-eerie-moment-3222919

http://news.sky.com/story/1222740/live-malaysia-airlines-investigation-updates wrote:Five passengers who checked in for the flight did not board the plane, and their luggage was removed from it, Malaysian authorities said.

What are the chances of that???!   

Has anybody checked John Travolta's back garden?

Original Quill wrote:

Tess. wrote:Someone said on Sky News that if it had exploded in the sky, satellites would have picked that up - they didn't.  Very strange.  Is it possible it's been hijacked and landed somewhere?

Yes, and most likely not over water.  An explosion would leave a debris field on the water.

Military radar is more extensive than civilian radar, and the military says the aircraft might have been trying to execute a turn-around.  For this reason they are looking in the jungles of east Malaysia.

Some kind of military experiment, testing a device on a civilian aircraft that can cloak a plane, so that it can land elsewhere without being detected?

Weird i know, but you start to go there, with a story like this.

This all looks highly strange.
Common sense says the plane suffered a catastrophic disaster mid-air - but the evidence should be out there, floating in the sea, emitting an alert beacon lcating the black box.
There could of course be more to this than meets the eye. Hijacked by the pilots?

Handy Andy wrote:This all looks highly strange.
Common sense says the plane suffered a catastrophic disaster mid-air - but the evidence should be out there, floating in the sea, emitting an alert beacon lcating the black box.
There could of course be more to this than meets the eye. Hijacked by the pilots?

But they would know through satellite and radar reports.

Catman wrote:

Handy Andy wrote:This all looks highly strange.
Common sense says the plane suffered a catastrophic disaster mid-air - but the evidence should be out there, floating in the sea, emitting an alert beacon lcating the black box.
There could of course be more to this than meets the eye. Hijacked by the pilots?

But they would know through satellite and radar reports.

Quite right.

It obviously disintegrated very swiftly.

BigAndy9 wrote:

Catman wrote:

But they would know through satellite and radar reports.

Quite right.

It obviously disintegrated very swiftly.

Someone should destroy a mobile phone, then see if it still rings!   

....Just been reported on Sky, that the oil slick, has been reported to have come from a ship.