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Refugee Refuses High Rise Flat - Takes Council To Court - Can't Speak Any English
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7th March 2014
Who gave this non-English-speaking REFUGEE the idea that she can take the council to court???
Due to give birth too - how timely.
A refugee took a council to the High Court when she turned down their offer of a high rise council house claiming she was scared of heights. Somalian Naima Mohamoud, who does not speak any English, claims she is separated from her husband and said she was thrown out of friend's house when she told them she was due to give birth. She applied for council accommodation and signed a form agreeing that if she refused an offer of a home she would not get another. Ms Mahamoud was given the chance to move into a tower block, by Birmingham City Council.
http://www.courtnewsuk.co.uk/newsgallery/#sthash.01Mhvqns.dpuf
7th March 2014
Who gave this non-English-speaking REFUGEE the idea that she can take the council to court???
Due to give birth too - how timely.
A refugee took a council to the High Court when she turned down their offer of a high rise council house claiming she was scared of heights. Somalian Naima Mohamoud, who does not speak any English, claims she is separated from her husband and said she was thrown out of friend's house when she told them she was due to give birth. She applied for council accommodation and signed a form agreeing that if she refused an offer of a home she would not get another. Ms Mahamoud was given the chance to move into a tower block, by Birmingham City Council.
http://www.courtnewsuk.co.uk/newsgallery/#sthash.01Mhvqns.dpuf
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PhilDidge wrote:Raggamuffin wrote:
She could always live in a hostel I guess.
How did she get here? Not on a plane I assume.
Actually, I hear people complain about benefits themselves, I don't just read about it in the papers. However, when do you ever read a report about someone saying it was fair enough that they have to pay some of their own rent because they've had loads of money off the tax payers' already?
I imagine she already was, being as she had no place mentioned where she was staying.
How did she get from her friends house to where she is living now, I guess a taxi or walking, not difficult to figure out.
So you go off Chinese whispers then, off people doing exactly the same lapping up media stories. Nobody is denying again that some are ungrateful or that some take the piss, the fact is though there is genuine people who are grateful and who genuinely need help
How would your last point be even news worthy, seriously that is daft, no newspaper would even be interested, as it is not a selling news story
I just told you - I hear the complaints myself too.
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Raggamuffin wrote:PhilDidge wrote:
I imagine she already was, being as she had no place mentioned where she was staying.
How did she get from her friends house to where she is living now, I guess a taxi or walking, not difficult to figure out.
So you go off Chinese whispers then, off people doing exactly the same lapping up media stories. Nobody is denying again that some are ungrateful or that some take the piss, the fact is though there is genuine people who are grateful and who genuinely need help
How would your last point be even news worthy, seriously that is daft, no newspaper would even be interested, as it is not a selling news story
I just told you - I hear the complaints myself too.
Yes you gave me hearsay
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PhilDidge wrote:Raggamuffin wrote:
I just told you - I hear the complaints myself too.
Yes you gave me hearsay
Well I'm hardly likely to round up the people I've heard complaining and introduce them to you, am I?
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Raggamuffin wrote:PhilDidge wrote:
Yes you gave me hearsay
Well I'm hardly likely to round up the people I've heard complaining and introduce them to you, am I?
That is why it is hearsay, because you would have to round them up and then for me to hear also where they get these views from themselves, not difficult to work out really!
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PhilDidge wrote:Raggamuffin wrote:
Well I'm hardly likely to round up the people I've heard complaining and introduce them to you, am I?
That is why it is hearsay, because you would have to round them up and then for me to hear also where they get these views from themselves, not difficult to work out really!
It's only hearsay to you, not to me. You could say the same thing about anything that anyone says on this forum when they talk about personal experience.
You appear to have run out of valid arguments, so perhaps we should just accept we have different opinions on the matter.
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Raggamuffin wrote:PhilDidge wrote:
That is why it is hearsay, because you would have to round them up and then for me to hear also where they get these views from themselves, not difficult to work out really!
It's only hearsay to you, not to me. You could say the same thing about anything that anyone says on this forum when they talk about personal experience.
You appear to have run out of valid arguments, so perhaps we should just accept we have different opinions on the matter.
PMSL did you say I have run out of valid arguments? Hilarious, this coming from you using hearsay to back yours, claiming it is unreasonable to request alternative accommodation even though the requester has a fear of heights, thus actually making it a reasonable request, which again does not prove either they are ungrateful. Seriously, the reality is, you do not like to be shown up is more the point, hence why your last reply was so utterly absurd and silly.
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the biggest question is how many safe countries did she pass through to get here....along with WHY did she pass through them
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victorismyhero wrote:the biggest question is how many safe countries did she pass through to get here....along with WHY did she pass through them
Actually morally when you think about it, that question has to be the daftest, as who cares if they have gone through nations, if they find and think of a better a place where in this country they find sanctuary? You see you and many others are not concerned if they are of genuine flight from oppression but how they got here? Why should it matter really? Sadly it does but again there is such an invention called the boat, of which many sail from Somalian ports.
You wanna know why also people would chose a nation and even think to pass through others, because of a reality of its own invention, in this case British colonialism. With Britain being part of its history, the Cultures and attractions of Britain will be foremost in the minds of people fleeing persecution where Britain has left its mark. What you could also add to this is that being as most immigrants fro outside the EU come from former parts of the British Empire, is that would many of these people have even contemplated Britain as a new life with no connection to them? If Britain had not controlled many of these nations, would many immigrants or refugees seek to come here?
That is what you need to ask yourself and in that Britain created its own attraction of drawing many people to its nation through former policies
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Rubbish!
It does matter how they get here, and the law is clear so if arrived after travelling through other safe countries without claiming asylum then they have no right to asylum here.
If they arrived here directly then should be easy to prove with flight or ship passenger records and our own passport control.
Most of the asylum seekers are opportunistic lying cheating thieving scum bags and taking valuable resources away from the British people who pay for it and from those small percentage of genuine ones who really need it.
It does matter how they get here, and the law is clear so if arrived after travelling through other safe countries without claiming asylum then they have no right to asylum here.
If they arrived here directly then should be easy to prove with flight or ship passenger records and our own passport control.
Most of the asylum seekers are opportunistic lying cheating thieving scum bags and taking valuable resources away from the British people who pay for it and from those small percentage of genuine ones who really need it.
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Tommy Monk wrote:Rubbish!
It does matter how they get here, and the law is clear so if arrived after travelling through other safe countries without claiming asylum then they have no right to asylum here.
If they arrived here directly then should be easy to prove with flight or ship passenger records and our own passport control.
Most of the asylum seekers are opportunistic lying cheating thieving scum bags and taking valuable resources away from the British people who pay for it and from those small percentage of genuine ones who really need it.
Ah Twatti has joined us, the pope of hate, showing you have no concept of morality and showing how you also form poor stereotypes, not once did you say yes we have genuine people looking for refuge, you again chose to be idiotic and prejudice, as if you speak for everyone which is comical, because if many people are like you, then sadly w have too many idiots in this nation.
Nobody denies some come here and try to scam their way in but you project an argument to instill hate of them all being that far right idiot that you are.
Again morally it really does not matter what country they seek asylum, because they seek refuge from persecution, that being the point you miss
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Tommy Monk wrote:Rubbish!
It does matter how they get here, and the law is clear so if arrived after travelling through other safe countries without claiming asylum then they have no right to asylum here.
If they arrived here directly then should be easy to prove with flight or ship passenger records and our own passport control.
Most of the asylum seekers are opportunistic lying cheating thieving scum bags and taking valuable resources away from the British people who pay for it and from those small percentage of genuine ones who really need it.
You are a UKIP supporter?
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PhilDidge wrote:Raggamuffin wrote:
She could always try to get over her fear of heights of course. After all, lots of people live in high-rise flats.
I haven't mentioned the colour of her skin, you did.
So you think that anyone should come here and take the tax payers money with no gratitude at all? This country will end up with more people taking money out than there are putting money in.
She is Somalian, what shin colour do you think she has, green?
Who is saying she is not grateful, that again is your own absurd assumption and now you also think it is easy to overcome a fear of heights also even though for many cannot overcome this. Your whole argument is based upon again a poor prejudice stereotype view you have of refugees. We have a very strict system in this country or obtaining the right to remain here.
How many people do you know that live in a high rise block of flats and have a fear of heights?
No need to answer that, because it will be zero!
Erm actually, I lived in a high-rise block and have a fear of heights.
I did just get on with it.
I see what Ragga is saying though didge. There are families and people crying out for homes and she has shown ingratitude for the home she's been given.
It does smack of looking a gift horse in the mouth tbh.
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eddie wrote:PhilDidge wrote:
She is Somalian, what shin colour do you think she has, green?
Who is saying she is not grateful, that again is your own absurd assumption and now you also think it is easy to overcome a fear of heights also even though for many cannot overcome this. Your whole argument is based upon again a poor prejudice stereotype view you have of refugees. We have a very strict system in this country or obtaining the right to remain here.
How many people do you know that live in a high rise block of flats and have a fear of heights?
No need to answer that, because it will be zero!
Erm actually, I lived in a high-rise block and have a fear of heights.
I did just get on with it.
I see what Ragga is saying though didge. There are families and people crying out for homes and she has shown ingratitude for the home she's been given.
It does smack of looking a gift horse in the mouth tbh.
Sorry utter bullshit, if you have a real fear of heights you would hate it, dont believe you Eddie you are being an idiot now. The fact you ignore the whole issue, a claim of being ungrateful, which was based off her asking a reasonable request being that she has a fear of heights, so how is that being ungrateful, if you fear heights to ask for something that does cause you anxiety?
Sorry you are arguing an idiotic cause, it is not unreasonable to ask for another place if offered something that may cause you distress
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PhilDidge wrote:eddie wrote:
Erm actually, I lived in a high-rise block and have a fear of heights.
I did just get on with it.
I see what Ragga is saying though didge. There are families and people crying out for homes and she has shown ingratitude for the home she's been given.
It does smack of looking a gift horse in the mouth tbh.
Sorry utter bullshit, if you have a real fear of heights you would hate it, dont believe you Eddie you are being an idiot now. The fact you ignore the whole issue, a claim of being ungrateful, which was based off her asking a reasonable request being that she has a fear of heights, so how is that being ungrateful, if you fear heights to ask for something that does cause you anxiety?
Sorry you are arguing an idiotic cause, it is not unreasonable to ask for another place if offered something that may cause you distress
I have a terrible fear of heights, and lived on the top floor of a tower block in Brighton for a while...So you are talking rubbish there.
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Sorry utter bullshit, if you have a real fear of heights you would hate it, dont believe you Eddie you are being an idiot now. The fact you ignore the whole issue, a claim of being ungrateful, which was based off her asking a reasonable request being that she has a fear of heights, so how is that being ungrateful, if you fear heights to ask for something that does cause you anxiety?
Sorry you are arguing an idiotic cause, it is not unreasonable to ask for another place if offered something that may cause you distress
I have a terrible fear of heights, and lived on the top floor of a tower block in Brighton for a while...So you are talking rubbish there.
hearsay bullshit again, you think I believe any word that comes out of your mouth?
Behave, a person with a real fear of heights would not choose to live high up on a block of flats, thus you have no real fear of heights, it would just sometimes cause you distress, because people with real fears, cannot cope in such a situation, so stop talking shite
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I did not like living up high didge, I didn't like it at all, I just got used to it and never presumed I would be moved so just got on with it. I thought it had cured me actually but I still don't like heights.
And yes, if it could be proven that she was a nervous wreck and couldn't go near her windows etc and wasn't able to live her life, then I can see the case for her.
The thing is didge, nowadays there just isn't enough social housing to go around and people could make stuff up just to get moved! You have to be careful that people aren't playing the system.
And for what it's worth, it has nothing to do with her being an immigrant or the colour of her skin and I am not an idiot either.
And yes, if it could be proven that she was a nervous wreck and couldn't go near her windows etc and wasn't able to live her life, then I can see the case for her.
The thing is didge, nowadays there just isn't enough social housing to go around and people could make stuff up just to get moved! You have to be careful that people aren't playing the system.
And for what it's worth, it has nothing to do with her being an immigrant or the colour of her skin and I am not an idiot either.
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PhilDidge wrote:Catman wrote:
I have a terrible fear of heights, and lived on the top floor of a tower block in Brighton for a while...So you are talking rubbish there.
hearsay bullshit again, you think I believe any word that comes out of your mouth?
Behave, a person with a real fear of heights would not choose to live high up on a block of flats, thus you have no real fear of heights, it would just sometimes cause you distress, because people with real fears, cannot cope in such a situation, so stop talking shite
There are two tower blocks in Brighton (Kemptown) and i lived at the top floor, so long as it's enclosed, then i don't have a problem with heights, bit like being on a plane moron.
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eddie wrote:I did not like living up high didge, I didn't like it at all, I just got used to it and never presumed I would be moved so just got on with it. I thought it had cured me actually but I still don't like heights.
Then that is not a real true fear of heights, someone who is truly scared of heights cannot stomach it, showing you need to see the difference
And yes, if it could be proven that she was a nervous wreck and couldn't go near her windows etc and wasn't able to live her life, then I can see the case for her.
So how do you prove it, be sensible now
The thing is didge, nowadays there just isn't enough social housing to go around and people could make stuff up just to get moved! You have to be careful that people aren't playing the system.
The fact is Eddie is that her fault or a reason to deny her alternative accommodation? Of course not, what you are saying is that houses of which many refugee's end up with properties nobody wants to live in and are condemned is some how in her case justifying anger at refugee's because one person has a fear of heights, when many of them get shit holes to live in which no council would even contemplate housing a British citizen in, or does that not escape your attention?
And for what it's worth, it has nothing to do with her being an immigrant or the colour of her skin and I am not an idiot either.
Sorry yes it is when you bring in the argument about other people crying at for homes of whom those that are crying out would not be housed in many of these homes, showing you buy up bullshit and do not know the true pictiure
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Catman wrote:PhilDidge wrote:
hearsay bullshit again, you think I believe any word that comes out of your mouth?
Behave, a person with a real fear of heights would not choose to live high up on a block of flats, thus you have no real fear of heights, it would just sometimes cause you distress, because people with real fears, cannot cope in such a situation, so stop talking shite
There are two tower blocks in Brighton (Kemptown) and i lived at the top floor, so long as it's enclosed, then i don't have a problem with heights, bit like being on a plane moron.
Then you truly do not have a real fear of heights
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PhilDidge wrote:Catman wrote:
There are two tower blocks in Brighton (Kemptown) and i lived at the top floor, so long as it's enclosed, then i don't have a problem with heights, bit like being on a plane moron.
Then you truly do not have a real fear of heights
You don't understand vertigo, you think that you're the Oracle, but you aren't.
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Catman wrote:PhilDidge wrote:
Then you truly do not have a real fear of heights
You don't understand vertigo, you think that you're the Oracle, but you aren't.
I know when someone is being a complete idiotic liar such as you, because none of what they claim makes any sense, which is just about 99.9999% of your posts
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PhilDidge wrote:Catman wrote:
You don't understand vertigo, you think that you're the Oracle, but you aren't.
I know when someone is being a complete idiotic liar such as you, because none of what they claim makes any sense, which is just about 99.9999% of your posts
So you accuse two posters of lying then, when they suffer from the condition, and you don't.
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Catman wrote:PhilDidge wrote:
I know when someone is being a complete idiotic liar such as you, because none of what they claim makes any sense, which is just about 99.9999% of your posts
So you accuse two posters of lying then, when they suffer from the condition, and you don't.
Damn right because I understand psychology, and know when people try to claim real fear never weighs up and this is the simple part to understand why. Many people feel discomfort with heights, but a real fear of heights leaves people paralyzed with fear that they cannot move or even contemplate even living high up in an environment that would cause them so much distress .
I have to go,maybe you will surprise me with a sensible reply and at least I live in the hope of that
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PhilDidge wrote:eddie wrote:I did not like living up high didge, I didn't like it at all, I just got used to it and never presumed I would be moved so just got on with it. I thought it had cured me actually but I still don't like heights.
Then that is not a real true fear of heights, someone who is truly scared of heights cannot stomach it, showing you need to see the difference
And yes, if it could be proven that she was a nervous wreck and couldn't go near her windows etc and wasn't able to live her life, then I can see the case for her.
So how do you prove it, be sensible now
The thing is didge, nowadays there just isn't enough social housing to go around and people could make stuff up just to get moved! You have to be careful that people aren't playing the system.
The fact is Eddie is that her fault or a reason to deny her alternative accommodation? Of course not, what you are saying is that houses of which many refugee's end up with properties nobody wants to live in and are condemned is some how in her case justifying anger at refugee's because one person has a fear of heights, when many of them get shit holes to live in which no council would even contemplate housing a British citizen in, or does that not escape your attention?
And for what it's worth, it has nothing to do with her being an immigrant or the colour of her skin and I am not an idiot either.
Sorry yes it is when you bring in the argument about other people crying at for homes of whom those that are crying out would not be housed in many of these homes, showing you buy up bullshit and do not know the true pictiure
You're becoming very rude lately, is it your time of the month or something?
You can't win an argument just by telling someone they're wrong.
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Catman wrote:PhilDidge wrote:
Sorry utter bullshit, if you have a real fear of heights you would hate it, dont believe you Eddie you are being an idiot now. The fact you ignore the whole issue, a claim of being ungrateful, which was based off her asking a reasonable request being that she has a fear of heights, so how is that being ungrateful, if you fear heights to ask for something that does cause you anxiety?
Sorry you are arguing an idiotic cause, it is not unreasonable to ask for another place if offered something that may cause you distress
I have a terrible fear of heights, and lived on the top floor of a tower block in Brighton for a while...So you are talking rubbish there.
You have a terrible fear of work period!
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eddie wrote:PhilDidge wrote:
Sorry yes it is when you bring in the argument about other people crying at for homes of whom those that are crying out would not be housed in many of these homes, showing you buy up bullshit and do not know the true pictiure
You're becoming very rude lately, is it your time of the month or something?
You can't win an argument just by telling someone they're wrong.
I am not out to win an argument but allow people to see sense Eddie, I do though get bored of idiotic assumptions made by people where they try badly to justify poor claims.
I just get seriously bored and frustrated that sometimes people do not see any common sense like here. IT matters little about the view this refugee sought asylum, because people are arguing over not her claim and not even her right to stay but because you chose to question what was offered to her as a place to live. This is done off the back solely based upon a poor view the media has instilled into the public of asylum seekers, because they print the exceptions to the rule and ignore the reality of how the vast majority of them live in abject poverty.
You may then understand why sometimes I may be rude if people argue such absurd views.
Good night
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eddie wrote:PhilDidge wrote:
Sorry yes it is when you bring in the argument about other people crying at for homes of whom those that are crying out would not be housed in many of these homes, showing you buy up bullshit and do not know the true pictiure
You're becoming very rude lately, is it your time of the month or something?
You can't win an argument just by telling someone they're wrong.
Didge manages to offend left and right in equal measure. A real star.
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coalbunker wrote:eddie wrote:
You're becoming very rude lately, is it your time of the month or something?
You can't win an argument just by telling someone they're wrong.
Didge manages to offend left and right in equal measure. A real star.
Bless an epic example of a poster unable to refute counters, he seeks to attack instead the poster.
Bravo and 0 out of 10 for effort
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PhilDidge wrote:eddie wrote:
Erm actually, I lived in a high-rise block and have a fear of heights.
I did just get on with it.
I see what Ragga is saying though didge. There are families and people crying out for homes and she has shown ingratitude for the home she's been given.
It does smack of looking a gift horse in the mouth tbh.
Sorry utter bullshit, if you have a real fear of heights you would hate it, dont believe you Eddie you are being an idiot now. The fact you ignore the whole issue, a claim of being ungrateful, which was based off her asking a reasonable request being that she has a fear of heights, so how is that being ungrateful, if you fear heights to ask for something that does cause you anxiety?
Sorry you are arguing an idiotic cause, it is not unreasonable to ask for another place if offered something that may cause you distress
She was lucky to be offered anything! There are people on waiting lists for homes, and they get pushed down all the time because someone else "needs" the home more than them. To then say it's not "suitable" is pathetic.
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PhilDidge wrote:eddie wrote:
You're becoming very rude lately, is it your time of the month or something?
You can't win an argument just by telling someone they're wrong.
I am not out to win an argument but allow people to see sense Eddie, I do though get bored of idiotic assumptions made by people where they try badly to justify poor claims.
I just get seriously bored and frustrated that sometimes people do not see any common sense like here. IT matters little about the view this refugee sought asylum, because people are arguing over not her claim and not even her right to stay but because you chose to question what was offered to her as a place to live. This is done off the back solely based upon a poor view the media has instilled into the public of asylum seekers, because they print the exceptions to the rule and ignore the reality of how the vast majority of them live in abject poverty.
You may then understand why sometimes I may be rude if people argue such absurd views.
Good night
Then say it without being rude. Seriously.
Oh, and sometimes, you're not right, ok? Sometimes.
Have a good night didge. I know you thinking an idiot but hey, I'm honest xx
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PhilDidge wrote:Catman wrote:
So you accuse two posters of lying then, when they suffer from the condition, and you don't.
Damn right because I understand psychology, and know when people try to claim real fear never weighs up and this is the simple part to understand why. Many people feel discomfort with heights, but a real fear of heights leaves people paralyzed with fear that they cannot move or even contemplate even living high up in an environment that would cause them so much distress .
I have to go,maybe you will surprise me with a sensible reply and at least I live in the hope of that
You aren't a fucking GP, perhaps you read something on the net, based on the most extreme issues of vertigo, which is varied depending on the individual.
For me, i can't go on a balcony that is high up, i get a dizzy feeling, then i feel sick, then it feels like my heart is falling down my body.
I can't even watch heights on TV, then i have to look away....Like i said, it would depend on the individual, you don't suffer from it, so perhaps you should close your mouth.
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eddie wrote:PhilDidge wrote:
I am not out to win an argument but allow people to see sense Eddie, I do though get bored of idiotic assumptions made by people where they try badly to justify poor claims.
I just get seriously bored and frustrated that sometimes people do not see any common sense like here. IT matters little about the view this refugee sought asylum, because people are arguing over not her claim and not even her right to stay but because you chose to question what was offered to her as a place to live. This is done off the back solely based upon a poor view the media has instilled into the public of asylum seekers, because they print the exceptions to the rule and ignore the reality of how the vast majority of them live in abject poverty.
You may then understand why sometimes I may be rude if people argue such absurd views.
Good night
Then say it without being rude. Seriously.
Oh, and sometimes, you're not right, ok? Sometimes.
Have a good night didge. I know you thinking an idiot but hey, I'm honest xx
Eddie I know you are honest and intelligent, yet on some points just like me we are both not as knowledgeable, I just gt as a I say sometimes frustrated with silly counters
Night, have to really go, because after reading catman's reply it is not worth staying around for another of his drunk filled rants, of which he keeps contradicting himself over his answers, though will allow him to read back and see why, because now he cannot even watch heights on tele, but can stomach being that close to being high up, DOH, he ousts himself from talking bull
Ciao
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Catman wrote:PhilDidge wrote:
Damn right because I understand psychology, and know when people try to claim real fear never weighs up and this is the simple part to understand why. Many people feel discomfort with heights, but a real fear of heights leaves people paralyzed with fear that they cannot move or even contemplate even living high up in an environment that would cause them so much distress .
I have to go,maybe you will surprise me with a sensible reply and at least I live in the hope of that
You aren't a fucking GP, perhaps you read something on the net, based on the most extreme issues of vertigo, which is varied depending on the individual.
For me, i can't go on a balcony that is high up, i get a dizzy feeling, then i feel sick, then it feels like my heart is falling down my body.
I can't even watch heights on TV, then i have to look away....Like i said, it would depend on the individual, you don't suffer from it, so perhaps you should close your mouth.
Yep I can't watch tv heights lol
I still don't like them and wouldn't choose to live high up!
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I doubt that anyone would choose to live in a high-rise flat would they? I see the woman won her appeal. When will this stupid system get sorted out?
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eddie wrote:Catman wrote:
You aren't a fucking GP, perhaps you read something on the net, based on the most extreme issues of vertigo, which is varied depending on the individual.
For me, i can't go on a balcony that is high up, i get a dizzy feeling, then i feel sick, then it feels like my heart is falling down my body.
I can't even watch heights on TV, then i have to look away....Like i said, it would depend on the individual, you don't suffer from it, so perhaps you should close your mouth.
Yep I can't watch tv heights lol
I still don't like them and wouldn't choose to live high up!
That wouldn't bother me, but i wouldn't go out onto a balcony.
Perhaps i got used to living with it, since i've spent time living at the top of a mountain.
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I'm fed up with it all. People should be told to be grateful for what they're given, and if they don't like it, they're on their own. I'm sick of all these "appeals" which are paid for by the tax payers too. No wonder so many people don't want to work when their taxes are spent on nonsense like this.
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PhilDidge wrote:Ah Twatti has joined us, the pope of hate, showing you have no concept of morality and showing how you also form poor stereotypes, not once did you say yes we have genuine people looking for refuge, you again chose to be idiotic and prejudice, as if you speak for everyone which is comical, because if many people are like you, then sadly w have too many idiots in this nation.Tommy Monk wrote:Rubbish!
It does matter how they get here, and the law is clear so if arrived after travelling through other safe countries without claiming asylum then they have no right to asylum here.
If they arrived here directly then should be easy to prove with flight or ship passenger records and our own passport control.
Most of the asylum seekers are opportunistic lying cheating thieving scum bags and taking valuable resources away from the British people who pay for it and from those small percentage of genuine ones who really need it.
Nobody denies some come here and try to scam their way in but you project an argument to instill hate of them all being that far right idiot that you are.
Again morally it really does not matter what country they seek asylum, because they seek refuge from persecution, that being the point you miss
More rubbish from you.
If you actually took the time to read my post properly it does say at the end that these opportunist and bogus asylum seekers are taking valuable resources from those genuine ones who really need it.
But I maintain that the law is the law and the law is clear that they have to claim in nearest safe country arrived in, and if passed through those without claiming then they have no right to claim here.
We need to stop pussy footing around and be much tougher enforcing the existing laws and removing those bogus and failed asylum seekers from our shores.
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FFS, can nobody read. She didn't turn down the flat because she was being 'picky'. She turned it down because she thought she had a choice, because she didn't understand the documents, if she had known that was the only one I am quite sure, for the sake of her baby, she would have got over her fear and taken the flat as any prospective mother with nowhere to go would have done. As it was, she left herself homeless, about to give birth. What a load of hype about fuck all, twisting the situation to have a go at immigrants, as per bloody normal.
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Sassy wrote:FFS, can nobody read. She didn't turn down the flat because she was being 'picky'. She turned it down because she thought she had a choice, because she didn't understand the documents, if she had known that was the only one I am quite sure, for the sake of her baby, she would have got over her fear and taken the flat as any prospective mother with nowhere to go would have done. As it was, she left herself homeless, about to give birth. What a load of hype about fuck all, twisting the situation to have a go at immigrants, as per bloody normal.
She seems to understand the appeals system quite well.
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Sassy wrote:FFS, can nobody read. She didn't turn down the flat because she was being 'picky'. She turned it down because she thought she had a choice, because she didn't understand the documents, if she had known that was the only one I am quite sure, for the sake of her baby, she would have got over her fear and taken the flat as any prospective mother with nowhere to go would have done. As it was, she left herself homeless, about to give birth. What a load of hype about fuck all, twisting the situation to have a go at immigrants, as per bloody normal.
Evening sassy,
Why did she have to go to court then? You don't go tot court to appeal your "first choice"????
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Raggamuffin wrote:Sassy wrote:FFS, can nobody read. She didn't turn down the flat because she was being 'picky'. She turned it down because she thought she had a choice, because she didn't understand the documents, if she had known that was the only one I am quite sure, for the sake of her baby, she would have got over her fear and taken the flat as any prospective mother with nowhere to go would have done. As it was, she left herself homeless, about to give birth. What a load of hype about fuck all, twisting the situation to have a go at immigrants, as per bloody normal.
She seems to understand the appeals system quite well.
And again you can't be bothered to read the actual case, she went to the CAB because she was desperate with a baby about to arrive. I believe you are a woman, are you? Can you even begin to imagine how you would feel 9 months pregnant and nowhere to go? Or isn't empathy your strong point?
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eddie wrote:Sassy wrote:FFS, can nobody read. She didn't turn down the flat because she was being 'picky'. She turned it down because she thought she had a choice, because she didn't understand the documents, if she had known that was the only one I am quite sure, for the sake of her baby, she would have got over her fear and taken the flat as any prospective mother with nowhere to go would have done. As it was, she left herself homeless, about to give birth. What a load of hype about fuck all, twisting the situation to have a go at immigrants, as per bloody normal.
Evening sassy,
Why did she have to go to court then? You don't go tot court to appeal your "first choice"????
She thought she would have a choice. Because she didn't understand a word of english and certainly couldn't read it, she didn't realise that she was signing to say she would have to have whatever they gave her. She thought she would have a choice of three, as you do normally.
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Sassy wrote:Raggamuffin wrote:
She seems to understand the appeals system quite well.
And again you can't be bothered to read the actual case, she went to the CAB because she was desperate with a baby about to arrive. I believe you are a woman, are you? Can you even begin to imagine how you would feel 9 months pregnant and nowhere to go? Or isn't empathy your strong point?
She was offered a place to go, and turned her nose up at it.
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Where's her husband then? Is he in this country? If so, why isn't he paying for her?
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Raggamuffin wrote:Sassy wrote:
And again you can't be bothered to read the actual case, she went to the CAB because she was desperate with a baby about to arrive. I believe you are a woman, are you? Can you even begin to imagine how you would feel 9 months pregnant and nowhere to go? Or isn't empathy your strong point?
She was offered a place to go, and turned her nose up at it.
It's like talking to a clothes dummy talking to you, you get told information but either choose to ignore it or don't even understand it. She thought she, like most folks, would have the choice of 3.
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Raggamuffin wrote:Where's her husband then? Is he in this country? If so, why isn't he paying for her?
She's by herself. As she was granted asylum, poor sod was probably raped.
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Sassy wrote:Raggamuffin wrote:
She was offered a place to go, and turned her nose up at it.
It's like talking to a clothes dummy talking to you, you get told information but either choose to ignore it or don't even understand it. She thought she, like most folks, would have the choice of 3.
Oh, so she did understand the system then. Make up your mind.
The fact is that she came from a place which she said was dangerous, and then turned her nose up when she was offered a roof over her head. I'm tired of this kind of crap.
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‘The challenge is made on the basis that Ms Mohamoud’s confusion led her to refuse the offer of accommodation in circumstances where, if she had understood the true position, she would have accepted it’, Lord Justice Moore-Bick said
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Raggamuffin wrote:Sassy wrote:
It's like talking to a clothes dummy talking to you, you get told information but either choose to ignore it or don't even understand it. She thought she, like most folks, would have the choice of 3.
Oh, so she did understand the system then. Make up your mind.
The fact is that she came from a place which she said was dangerous, and then turned her nose up when she was offered a roof over her head. I'm tired of this kind of crap.
CAB understood the system for her.
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Sassy wrote:Raggamuffin wrote:Where's her husband then? Is he in this country? If so, why isn't he paying for her?
She's by herself. As she was granted asylum, poor sod was probably raped.
That's quite a leap. Do you have any evidence that she was raped?
She has a husband but is "separated" from him apparently.
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