Jamie Oliver is accused of 'cultural appropriation' for launching jerk rice: Labour MP joins social media outrage and tells chef the Caribbean dish is 'not just a word you put before stuff to sell products'

by Guest Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:35 pm

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Jamie Oliver has been accused of cultural appropriation by Labour's shadow women and equalities minister and other social media users for launching 'punchy jerk rice'. Dawn Butler, the MP for Brent Central in north west London, picked up on comments from social media about the product and joined in with her own criticism.

She suggested Oliver was using the word jerk to increase the sales of his rice and his product was not faithful to the original Caribbean recipe which is usually a marinade for meat. The Labour MP also suggested father-of-five ask Levi Roots, the creator of jerk barbeque sauce Reggae Reggae sauce, to teach him about it.

Ms Butler tweeted: '#jamieoliver @jamieoliver #jerk I'm just wondering do you know what #Jamaican #jerk actually is?

'It's not just a word you put before stuff to sell products. @levirootsmusic should do a masterclass. Your jerk Rice is not ok. This appropriation from Jamaica needs to stop.'

Jerk can refer to a type of cooking which involves marinating meat in a jerk spice mixture, or the marinade itself. It originated in Jamaica.

The spice mix itself primarily uses allspice and Scotch bonnet peppers - neither of which are listed on the ingredients list for Mr Oliver's product - alongside others.

David Llewellyn wrote: 'I was about to headbutt my desk over this tweet from Dawn Butler because most cultural appropriation brouhahas are nonsense.

'Then I saw this description of Jamie Oliver's "Jerk" Rice. On what planet can "garlic, ginger and jalapenos" be described as "Jerk"?'

Many jerk recipes involve meat such as chicken or pork, but Mr Oliver's £2.30 microwaveable rice offering is vegetarian, with the packaging suggesting it is 'seriously good' with chicken wings.

Sainsbury's, Morrisons, and Waitrose all stock the product on their websites.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6075597/Jamie-Oliver-accused-cultural-appropriation-Labour-MP.html

Seriously, people cannot win. If people embrace multiculturalism, they get accused of Cultural appropriation. If they dont embrace multiculturalism, they get accused of racism

Jamie, should tell those complaining to jog on.

by Guest Sat Aug 25, 2018 6:32 am

Oh and by the way you are clueless also on pasta

All noodles are pasta, all pastas are not noodles. For instance couscous is pasta, but it bears no resemblance to a noodle. Most pasta is made of wheat flour, but not all.

And more so you are going off pasta and not the sauces,. Even though pasta originates in Europe in tangent with noodles in Asia

In other words, they originated seperately

by veya_victaous Sat Aug 25, 2018 6:37 am

Didge wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Didge wrote:I a wondering when veya is going to accuse the Italians of cultural appropriation for their authentic sauces which are based on tomatoes

When tomatoes originate from South America

Again, this is why food is Universal and to claim cultural appropriation on food. Is just plain leftist drivel.

Why?
They gave new recipes new names
Even with Pasta which is just the Italian word for noodles found in dozens of cultures
it's Their variant, they gave it a name.

You think an ingredient can't be used? what sort of strawman are you trying to jerk off to

New?

And yet you do not shout cultural appropriation?

How uch are you backing me now?

Seriously?

Jamie Oliver offers a new form of Jerk with vegintarian rice and that is taboo for you. Yet you accept variations of Marinara sauce?

Come again?

Can you show me anywhere that I stated that an ingredient cannot be used in an authentic dish or sauce?

I never did, you just made that bullshit up. To deflect away from you talking bullshit

It's not Jerk Rolling Eyes

there are dozens if not 100's of variations of jerk Since each Jamaican grandma has their own
all meet the minimum requirement of containing scotch bonnets and all spice.

Jamies doesn't contain either thus he is culturally appropriating the WORD Jerk (in context of food) and reducing it to meaningless marketing drivel.

Again it is just YOU not understanding what people are talking about Rolling Eyes

He could have sold Jerk Rice that meet the minimum requirement to be called jerk, it's 2 Ingredients really not that hard Rolling Eyes

Or he could have called his Not-Jerk rice something else Like Jamaican style rice or a New name Like the Italians did tongue

by Guest Sat Aug 25, 2018 6:38 am

veya_victaous wrote:
eddie wrote:A traditional basic (all region) bolognese.

Tomatoes boiled and sieved
Celery
Carrot
Onion
Garlic
Basil
Oregano

Optional others.

Most pasta sauces do not contain celery or carrot.

Let’s sue them

I think that is wrong and is cultural appropriation by the author, much like Jamie, although not as bad since it at least contain one of the minimum ingredients.

bolognese specifically has meat and specifically comes from Bologna so can't be "all regions"
It doesn't meet the minimum for bolognese which is just meat and crushed tomatoes. but will almost always have other things depending on the cooks inclination.
the Minimum for Neapolitan is Crushed tomatoes and Garlic
the Minimum for Carbonara is Cream and egg

like the Minimum for Jerk is Scotch bonnets and All spice

generally all of these will contain other things

And that's not even what has occurred
Jamie has made up something that doesn't meet the Minimum requirements to Jerk and then proceeded o Market it as Jerk

Jamie Oliver is accused of 'cultural appropriation' for launching jerk rice: Labour MP joins social media outrage and tells chef the Caribbean dish is 'not just a word you put before stuff to sell products' - Page 3 3489511464

Now this proves how dumb you are

So a vegitarian bolognese is not a bolognese to Veya

Talk about Authoritarinism

You have not got a clue what you are talking about

Everything is black and white to you, with no shades of grey or colour

by Guest Sat Aug 25, 2018 6:42 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Didge wrote:

New?

And yet you do not shout cultural appropriation?

How uch are you backing me now?

Seriously?

Jamie Oliver offers a new form of Jerk with vegintarian rice and that is taboo for you. Yet you accept variations of Marinara sauce?

Come again?

Can you show me anywhere that I stated that an ingredient cannot be used in an authentic dish or sauce?

I never did, you just made that bullshit up. To deflect away from you talking bullshit

It's not Jerk
there are dozens if not 100's of variations of jerk Since each Jamaican grandma has their own
all meet the minimum requirement of containing scotch bonnets and all spice.

Jamies doesn't contain either thus he is culturally appropriating the WORD Jerk (in context of food) and reducing it to meaningless marketing drivel.

Again it is just YOU not understanding what people are talking about

He could have sold Jerk Rice that meet the minimum requirement to be called jerk, it's 2 Ingredients really not that hard
Or he could have called his Not-Jerk rice something else Like Jamaican style rice or a New name Like the Italians did

The funniest contradition going

Its not jerk, yet there are many variations?

So if a West Indian created suh a vegitarian jerk rice, you would have no issue?

Now that is emphatially racist in thinking

by veya_victaous Sat Aug 25, 2018 6:42 am

Didge wrote:Oh and by the way you are clueless also on pasta

All noodles are pasta, all pastas are not noodles. For instance couscous is pasta, but it bears no resemblance to a noodle. Most pasta is made of wheat flour, but not all.

And more so you are going off pasta and not the sauces,. Even though pasta originates in Europe in tangent with noodles in Asia

In other words, they originated seperately

LOL
Soba Noodles are Pasta?
Rice noodles are pasta?

No, it doesn't develop in Europe in tangent with Asia. it migrates along the silk road eventually getting to Europe where the Italians called their variant Pasta. it is literally found in every culture along the silk road just using local flours instead of the original rice flour.

https://silkroadchef.com/2015/02/16/beshbarmak-central-asian-nomad-lasagna/
https://silkroadchef.com/2015/01/10/uyghur-style-laghman-noodles/

What sort of Eurocentic Bullshit do you believe Razz

by Guest Sat Aug 25, 2018 6:45 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Didge wrote:Oh and by the way you are clueless also on pasta

All noodles are pasta, all pastas are not noodles. For instance couscous is pasta, but it bears no resemblance to a noodle. Most pasta is made of wheat flour, but not all.

And more so you are going off pasta and not the sauces,. Even though pasta originates in Europe in tangent with noodles in Asia

In other words, they originated seperately

LOL
Soba Noodles are Pasta?
Rice noodles are pasta?

No, it doesn't develop in Europe in tangent with Asia. it migrates along the silk road eventually getting to Europe where the Italians called their variant Pasta. it is literally found in every culture along the silk road just using local flours instead of the original rice flour.

https://silkroadchef.com/2015/02/16/beshbarmak-central-asian-nomad-lasagna/
https://silkroadchef.com/2015/01/10/uyghur-style-laghman-noodles/

What sort of Eurocentic Bullshit do you believe

Really?

Where did Lagana originate from?

Take your time dummy?

by veya_victaous Sat Aug 25, 2018 6:47 am

Didge wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Didge wrote:

New?

And yet you do not shout cultural appropriation?

How uch are you backing me now?

Seriously?

Jamie Oliver offers a new form of Jerk with vegintarian rice and that is taboo for you. Yet you accept variations of Marinara sauce?

Come again?

Can you show me anywhere that I stated that an ingredient cannot be used in an authentic dish or sauce?

I never did, you just made that bullshit up. To deflect away from you talking bullshit

It's not Jerk
there are dozens if not 100's of variations of jerk Since each Jamaican grandma has their own
all meet the minimum requirement of containing scotch bonnets and all spice.

Jamies doesn't contain either thus he is culturally appropriating the WORD Jerk (in context of food) and reducing it to meaningless marketing drivel.

Again it is just YOU not understanding what people are talking about

He could have sold Jerk Rice that meet the minimum requirement to be called jerk, it's 2 Ingredients really not that hard
Or he could have called his Not-Jerk rice something else Like Jamaican style rice or a New name Like the Italians did

The funniest contradition going

Its not jerk, yet there are any variations.

So if a West Indian created suh a vegitarian jerk rice, you would have no issue?

Now that is emphatially racist in thinking

They wouldn't call it Jerk rice unless it contained at least scotch bonnets and all spice (Like Jamie or anyone embracing multiculturalism shouldn't) Because all the many variations of Jerk contain at least that to earn the name jerk. Rolling Eyes

Got nothing to do with who made it Rolling Eyes

by Guest Sat Aug 25, 2018 6:50 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Didge wrote:

The funniest contradition going

Its not jerk, yet there are any variations.

So if a West Indian created suh a vegitarian jerk rice, you would have no issue?

Now that is emphatially racist in thinking

They wouldn't call it Jerk rice unless it contained at least scotch bonnets and all spice (Like Jamie or anyone embracing multiculturalism shouldn't) Because all the many variations of Jerk contain at least that to earn the name jerk.

Got nothing to do with who made it

So what you are saying, is that no pasta sauce can be a pasta sauce without tomatoes?

I love tying up an imbicille up in knots?

by veya_victaous Sat Aug 25, 2018 6:52 am

Didge wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Didge wrote:Oh and by the way you are clueless also on pasta

All noodles are pasta, all pastas are not noodles. For instance couscous is pasta, but it bears no resemblance to a noodle. Most pasta is made of wheat flour, but not all.

And more so you are going off pasta and not the sauces,. Even though pasta originates in Europe in tangent with noodles in Asia

In other words, they originated seperately

LOL
Soba Noodles are Pasta?
Rice noodles are pasta?

No, it doesn't develop in Europe in tangent with Asia. it migrates along the silk road eventually getting to Europe where the Italians called their variant Pasta. it is literally found in every culture along the silk road just using local flours instead of the original rice flour.

https://silkroadchef.com/2015/02/16/beshbarmak-central-asian-nomad-lasagna/
https://silkroadchef.com/2015/01/10/uyghur-style-laghman-noodles/

What sort of Eurocentic Bullshit do you believe

Really?

Where did Lagana originate from?

Take your time dummy?

Lasagna is Italy's local variation of beshbarmak from Central Asia (modern Kazakhstan but all the stans and southern russia) Wink

by Guest Sat Aug 25, 2018 6:54 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Didge wrote:

Really?

Where did Lagana originate from?

Take your time dummy?

Lasagna is Italy's local variation of beshbarmak from Central Asia (modern Kazakhstan but all the stans and southern russia)

I never said Lasagna

I said Lagana

by veya_victaous Sat Aug 25, 2018 6:57 am

Didge wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Didge wrote:

The funniest contradition going

Its not jerk, yet there are any variations.

So if a West Indian created suh a vegitarian jerk rice, you would have no issue?

Now that is emphatially racist in thinking

They wouldn't call it Jerk rice unless it contained at least scotch bonnets and all spice (Like Jamie or anyone embracing multiculturalism shouldn't) Because all the many variations of Jerk contain at least that to earn the name jerk.

Got nothing to do with who made it

So what you are saying, is that no pasta sauce can be a pasta sauce without tomatoes?

I love tying up an imbicille up in knots?

No, that what Your saying Suspect

Your the one who seems to be tied up in knots Rolling Eyes

Did you not see me clearly point out that a traditional pasta sauce is Carbonara and contains cream and eggs, no mention of tomatoes and would be very odd if you did add them Laughing

by veya_victaous Sat Aug 25, 2018 6:58 am

Didge wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Didge wrote:

Really?

Where did Lagana originate from?

Take your time dummy?

Lasagna is Italy's local variation of beshbarmak from Central Asia (modern Kazakhstan but all the stans and southern russia)

I never said Lasagna

I said Lagana

I presumed your spelling was as bad as mine tongue

Google says
Lagana (bread), a Greek flatbread baked for Clean Monday

by Guest Sat Aug 25, 2018 7:01 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Didge wrote:

So what you are saying, is that no pasta sauce can be a pasta sauce without tomatoes?

I love tying up an imbicille up in knots?

No, that what Your saying Your the one who seems to be tied up in knots
Did you not see me clearly point out that a traditional pasta sauce is Carbonara and contains cream and eggs, no mention of tomatoes and would be very odd if you did add them

Are but we see your ignorance here

marinara was not a pasta sauce it was adpated to pasta

Ouch

The point is here, not only are you thick, but seem to think you can dictate how food should be

Hilarious

by Guest Sat Aug 25, 2018 7:02 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Didge wrote:

I never said Lasagna

I said Lagana

I presumed your spelling was as bad as mine

Google says
Lagana (bread), a Greek flatbread baked for Clean Monday

in the 1st century AD writings of Horace, lagana (singular: laganum) were fine sheets of fried dough[11] and were an everyday foodstuff.[12] Writing in the 2nd century Athenaeus of Naucratis provides a recipe for lagana which he attributes to the 1st century Chrysippus of Tyana: sheets of dough made of wheat flour and the juice of crushed lettuce, then flavoured with spices and deep-fried in oil.[12] An early 5th century cookbook describes a dish called lagana that consisted of layers of dough with meat stuffing, an ancestor of modern-day lasagna.[12] However, the method of cooking these sheets of dough does not correspond to our modern definition of either a fresh or dry pasta product, which only had similar basic ingredients and perhaps the shape.[12] The first concrete information concerning pasta products in Italy dates from the 13th or 14th century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasta

Booooooooom

Laughing

by Guest Sat Aug 25, 2018 7:04 am

I knew you would research poorly here on Lagana Veya

Showing how emphatically how dumb you are

Laughing

by veya_victaous Sat Aug 25, 2018 7:16 am

But what does that have to do with anything confused

I'm not bloody doing research to argue with some twat on the internet mate

I don't even know or care what lagana is snobby

Good thing I don't plan on marketing any
but of course according to you i could just sell donuts as lagana
hell i could even do what jamie did and sell flavored rice as lagana
Jamie Oliver is accused of 'cultural appropriation' for launching jerk rice: Labour MP joins social media outrage and tells chef the Caribbean dish is 'not just a word you put before stuff to sell products' - Page 3 3489511464

by veya_victaous Sat Aug 25, 2018 7:20 am

P.S. it more like Dumplings or Pierogi than modern pasta

by Guest Sat Aug 25, 2018 7:20 am

veya_victaous wrote:But what does that have to do with anything
I'm not bloody doing research to argue with some twat on the internet mate

I don't even know or care what lagana is
Good thing I don't plan on marketing any
but of course according to you i could just sell donuts as lagana
hell i could even do what jamie did and sell flavored rice as lagana

So you admit to your ignorance here

Then have the cheek to cast people as victims here. Based on your warped PC views

You seriously are a danger to society with such stupidity mate

lol!

by Guest Sat Aug 25, 2018 7:22 am

veya_victaous wrote:P.S. it more like Dumplings or Pierogi than modern pasta

Hilarious

Now Veya is deciding what pasta is

cultural appropriation lol!

We are talking origins here buddy

by veya_victaous Sat Aug 25, 2018 7:34 am

Didge wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Didge wrote:

So what you are saying, is that no pasta sauce can be a pasta sauce without tomatoes?

I love tying up an imbicille up in knots?

No, that what Your saying Your the one who seems to be tied up in knots
Did you not see me clearly point out that a traditional pasta sauce is Carbonara and contains cream and eggs, no mention of tomatoes and would be very odd if you did add them

Are but we see your ignorance here

marinara was not a pasta sauce it was adpated to pasta

Ouch

The point is here, not only are you thick, but seem to think you can dictate how food should be

Hilarious

When did i say marinara sauce? confused

which is actually an anglofied Italian sauce... you really have tied yourself up in knots haven't you Rolling Eyes

Carbonara, a Traditional pasta sauce from Rome, no tomatoes
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another is Boscaiola or “'Woodman's Pasta” from northern Italy, again no tomatoes

Jamie Oliver is accused of 'cultural appropriation' for launching jerk rice: Labour MP joins social media outrage and tells chef the Caribbean dish is 'not just a word you put before stuff to sell products' - Page 3 Fettucine-boscaiola-recipe

Why Do you show such little respect for Italian Cuisine and say Pasta sauce is just Tomato Sauce?

by Guest Sat Aug 25, 2018 7:39 am

ha ha ha

Anglofied Italian sauce?

Priceless fuckwittery

Thank you for making me laugh

So lets fuck with you some more veya

https://www.hijabimag.com/cooking-101-halal-carbonara/

I guess this is cultural appropriation to you?

lol!

by veya_victaous Sat Aug 25, 2018 7:44 am

Didge wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:P.S. it more like Dumplings or Pierogi than modern pasta

Hilarious

Now Veya is deciding what pasta is

cultural appropriation

We are talking origins here buddy

Yeah and even your post says it's not the same and there is over a thousand years between that and the appearance of modern pasta/noodles, meaning its not really a continuation between the 2. also Showing that it is just really poor attempt at eurocentic history trying to ignores the fact that modern pasta/noodles were already well on it's migration along the silk road and incorporated into the cuisine of dozens/hundreds of cultures along the way. before reaching Europe at *Surprise* the same time modern pasta/noodles appear in Italy Rolling Eyes

by Guest Sat Aug 25, 2018 7:46 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Didge wrote:

Hilarious

Now Veya is deciding what pasta is

cultural appropriation

We are talking origins here buddy

Yeah and even your post says it's not the same and there is over a thousand years between that and the appearance of modern pasta/noodles, meaning its not really a continuation between the 2. also Showing that it is just really poor attempt at eurocentic history trying to ignores the fact that modern pasta/noodles were already well on it's migration along the silk road and incorporated into the cuisine of dozens/hundreds of cultures along the way. before reaching Europe at *Surprise* the same time modern pasta/noodles appear in Italy

Did you just say its not the same?

Opps

Meaning foods adapt?

Opps and busted

You have not a clue here and are making it up as you go along,., Cool

by veya_victaous Sat Aug 25, 2018 7:52 am

Didge wrote:ha ha ha

Anglofied Italian sauce?

Priceless fuckwittery

Thank you for making me laugh

So lets fuck with you some more veya

https://www.hijabimag.com/cooking-101-halal-carbonara/

I guess this is cultural appropriation to you?

it is an anglofied sauce, it's from Italian American Cuisine (there is also a Aussie/NZ variant)

Marinara (English: "mariner's") sauce is an Italian tomato sauce, usually made with tomatoes, garlic, herbs, and onions.^[1]^[2] Its many variations can include the addition of capers, olives, spices, and a dash of wine.^[3]^[4]
This sauce is widely used in Italian-American cuisine, which has diverged from its Old World origins.^[5]
Italians refer to marinara sauce only in association with other recipes. For instance, spaghetti alla marinara literally translates to "spaghetti mariner's style" (from the adjective marinara with the feminine suffix -a pertaining to salsa, Italian for "sauce", and also to maniera, Italian for "style"), but tomato sauce alone in Italy is called sugo/salsa al/di pomodoro or pummarola (the latter being Neapolitan language).
This is not to be confused with spaghetti marinara, a popular dish in Italy, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa where a tomato-based sauce is mixed with fresh seafood.[

And no, it's not because it still meets the Minimum requirements
Actually that is very faithfully recreated (showing respect to the originating culture) it's just replacing the bacon with 'turkey bacon' pig

it is the perfect example of what Jamie Should have done to be 'embracing Multiculturalism'

by Guest Sat Aug 25, 2018 7:54 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Didge wrote:ha ha ha

Anglofied Italian sauce?

Priceless fuckwittery

Thank you for making me laugh

So lets fuck with you some more veya

https://www.hijabimag.com/cooking-101-halal-carbonara/

I guess this is cultural appropriation to you?

it is an anglofied sauce, it's from Italian American Cuisine (there is also a Aussie/NZ variant)

Marinara (English: "mariner's") sauce is an Italian tomato sauce, usually made with tomatoes, garlic, herbs, and onions.^[1]^[2] Its many variations can include the addition of capers, olives, spices, and a dash of wine.^[3]^[4]
This sauce is widely used in Italian-American cuisine, which has diverged from its Old World origins.^[5]
Italians refer to marinara sauce only in association with other recipes. For instance, spaghetti alla marinara literally translates to "spaghetti mariner's style" (from the adjective marinara with the feminine suffix -a pertaining to salsa, Italian for "sauce", and also to maniera, Italian for "style"), but tomato sauce alone in Italy is called sugo/salsa al/di pomodoro or pummarola (the latter being Neapolitan language).
This is not to be confused with spaghetti marinara, a popular dish in Italy, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa where a tomato-based sauce is mixed with fresh seafood.[

And no, it's not because it still meets the Minimum requirements
Actually that is very faithfully recreated (showing respect to the originating culture) it's just replacing the bacon with 'turkey bacon'
it is the perfect example of what Jamie Should have done to be 'embracing Multiculturalism'

That is hilarious

Read again what you posted

I enlarged the point that shows your stupidity

by veya_victaous Sat Aug 25, 2018 7:54 am

Didge wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Didge wrote:

Hilarious

Now Veya is deciding what pasta is

cultural appropriation

We are talking origins here buddy

Yeah and even your post says it's not the same and there is over a thousand years between that and the appearance of modern pasta/noodles, meaning its not really a continuation between the 2. also Showing that it is just really poor attempt at eurocentic history trying to ignores the fact that modern pasta/noodles were already well on it's migration along the silk road and incorporated into the cuisine of dozens/hundreds of cultures along the way. before reaching Europe at *Surprise* the same time modern pasta/noodles appear in Italy
Did you just say its not the same?

Opps

Meaning foods adapt?

Opps and busted

You have not a clue here and are making it up as you go along,.,

Food does adapt I never denied that, jesus you must be in all sorts of knots now Rolling Eyes

of course that at no point is what anyone has been saying or talking about or have anything to do with cultural appropriation Suspect

by Guest Sat Aug 25, 2018 7:56 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Didge wrote:
Did you just say its not the same?

Opps

Meaning foods adapt?

Opps and busted

You have not a clue here and are making it up as you go along,.,

Food does adapt I never denied that, jesus you must be in all sorts of knots now

of course that at no point is what anyone has been saying or talking about or have anything to do with cultural appropriation

Oh so you admit you are an idiot here?

Your last post was priceless

lol!

by veya_victaous Sat Aug 25, 2018 8:00 am

Didge wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Didge wrote:ha ha ha

Anglofied Italian sauce?

Priceless fuckwittery

Thank you for making me laugh

So lets fuck with you some more veya

https://www.hijabimag.com/cooking-101-halal-carbonara/

I guess this is cultural appropriation to you?

it is an anglofied sauce, it's from Italian American Cuisine (there is also a Aussie/NZ variant)

Marinara (English: "mariner's") sauce is an Italian tomato sauce, usually made with tomatoes, garlic, herbs, and onions.^[1]^[2] Its many variations can include the addition of capers, olives, spices, and a dash of wine.^[3]^[4]
This sauce is widely used in Italian-American cuisine, which has diverged from its Old World origins.^[5]
Italians refer to marinara sauce only in association with other recipes. For instance, spaghetti alla marinara literally translates to "spaghetti mariner's style" (from the adjective marinara with the feminine suffix -a pertaining to salsa, Italian for "sauce", and also to maniera, Italian for "style"), but tomato sauce alone in Italy is called sugo/salsa al/di pomodoro or pummarola (the latter being Neapolitan language).
This is not to be confused with spaghetti marinara, a popular dish in Italy, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa where a tomato-based sauce is mixed with fresh seafood.[

And no, it's not because it still meets the Minimum requirements
Actually that is very faithfully recreated (showing respect to the originating culture) it's just replacing the bacon with 'turkey bacon'
it is the perfect example of what Jamie Should have done to be 'embracing Multiculturalism'

That is hilarious

Read again what you postedI enlarged the point that shows your stupidity

SO you are aware Italian is a style of cooking? Suspect

You really need to read the whole thing (since you mistook reference to a cooking style for a national origin Rolling Eyes

) and I already bolded the part you need to read Wink

This sauce is widely used in Italian-American cuisine, which has diverged from its Old World origins.^[5]
Italians refer to marinara sauce only in association with other recipes

by veya_victaous Sat Aug 25, 2018 8:01 am

AND AGAIN what does any of this have to do with what jamie did or cultural appropriation?

You seem to have really lost the plot to be honest

by Guest Sat Aug 25, 2018 8:02 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Didge wrote:

That is hilarious

Read again what you postedI enlarged the point that shows your stupidity

SO you are aware Italian is a style of cooking?

You really need to read the whole thing (since you mistook reference to a cooking style for a national origin ) and I already bolded the part you need to read
This sauce is widely used in Italian-American cuisine, which has diverged from its Old World origins.^[5]
Italians refer to marinara sauce only in association with other recipes

So its origins is nothing to you?

Now that its used widely in Amerian Italian cuisine?

Jamie Oliver is accused of 'cultural appropriation' for launching jerk rice: Labour MP joins social media outrage and tells chef the Caribbean dish is 'not just a word you put before stuff to sell products' - Page 3 3489511464

cultural appropriation?

by Guest Sat Aug 25, 2018 8:03 am

veya_victaous wrote:AND AGAIN what does any of this have to do with what jamie did or cultural appropriation?

You seem to have really lost the plot to be honest

This has everything to do with you being an idiot

by veya_victaous Sat Aug 25, 2018 8:05 am

Didge wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Didge wrote:
Did you just say its not the same?

Opps

Meaning foods adapt?

Opps and busted

You have not a clue here and are making it up as you go along,.,

Food does adapt I never denied that, jesus you must be in all sorts of knots now

of course that at no point is what anyone has been saying or talking about or have anything to do with cultural appropriation

Oh so you admit you are an idiot here?

Your last post was priceless

Are You really so Pathetic your going to Strawman a win out of that Razz

I told you i never said that because i never said that

Yes I am aware you do look like an idiot just making up shit people never said and trying to argue against your strawman sex doll than the actual posters comments
lol!

by Guest Sat Aug 25, 2018 8:11 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Didge wrote:

Oh so you admit you are an idiot here?

Your last post was priceless

Are You really so Pathetic your going to Strawman a win out of that
I told you i never said that because i never said that

Yes I am aware you do look like an idiot just making up shit people never said and trying to argue against your strawman sex doll than the actual posters comments

No strawman

Just a stupid French Aussie trying to tell a cuturally British Maltese/Sicillian on Italian food was hilarious

You looked a complete dick here

Laughing

cultural appropriation

Jamie Oliver is accused of 'cultural appropriation' for launching jerk rice: Labour MP joins social media outrage and tells chef the Caribbean dish is 'not just a word you put before stuff to sell products' - Page 3 3489511464

Though you have a right to disagree

by Vintage Sat Aug 25, 2018 12:22 pm

would he have been ok if he called it a Jerk type sauce? or a Caribbean sauce based on traditional Jerk seasoning?

by HoratioTarr Sat Aug 25, 2018 4:20 pm

Rogan Josh is a staple curry dish known around the world. Most people and recipes think the red colouring comes from tomatoes and/or tomato paste and you'll find that most recipes/curry houses cook it with tomatoes. But the original dish has no tomatoes. Do you see anyone up in arms over that?

I've never heard anything so fucking stupid as these people pearl clutching over this cultural appropriate of 'their' food. Particularly when the origins of Jerk came from slaves foraging for spices they were unfamiliar with in a land alien to them.

Jerk is a style of cooking. It shouldn't 'belong' to anyone. It's just food.

And for some balance, here in the UK there's some people who think a Cornish pasty should not be made outside of Cornwall..and to them I'd say the same thing. Get a fucking life.

by HoratioTarr Sat Aug 25, 2018 4:24 pm

Vintage wrote:would he have been ok if he called it a Jerk type sauce? or a Caribbean sauce based on traditional Jerk seasoning?

Probably. The furore it's caused anyone would think he'd plastered a photo of Al Johnson on the front holding a gollywog.

by nicko Sat Aug 25, 2018 4:31 pm

I thought Jerk Chicken was a Hen with Parkinsons !

by Original Quill Sat Aug 25, 2018 5:17 pm

nicko wrote:I thought Jerk Chicken was a Hen with Parkinsons !

by Guest Sat Aug 25, 2018 8:12 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:Rogan Josh is a staple curry dish known around the world. Most people and recipes think the red colouring comes from tomatoes and/or tomato paste and you'll find that most recipes/curry houses cook it with tomatoes. But the original dish has no tomatoes. Do you see anyone up in arms over that?

I've never heard anything so fucking stupid as these people pearl clutching over this cultural appropriate of 'their' food. Particularly when the origins of Jerk came from slaves foraging for spices they were unfamiliar with in a land alien to them.

Jerk is a style of cooking. It shouldn't 'belong' to anyone. It's just food.

And for some balance, here in the UK there's some people who think a Cornish pasty should not be made outside of Cornwall..and to them I'd say the same thing. Get a fucking life.

+1

Booooooooooooooooooooooooom,

by veya_victaous Sun Aug 26, 2018 1:47 am

HoratioTarr wrote:Rogan Josh is a staple curry dish known around the world. Most people and recipes think the red colouring comes from tomatoes and/or tomato paste and you'll find that most recipes/curry houses cook it with tomatoes. But the original dish has no tomatoes. Do you see anyone up in arms over that?

I've never heard anything so fucking stupid as these people pearl clutching over this cultural appropriate of 'their' food. Particularly when the origins of Jerk came from slaves foraging for spices they were unfamiliar with in a land alien to them.

Jerk is a style of cooking. It shouldn't 'belong' to anyone. It's just food.

And for some balance, here in the UK there's some people who think a Cornish pasty should not be made outside of Cornwall..and to them I'd say the same thing. Get a fucking life.

That's not actually the point.
it's not using someone else cooking style or adding to an existing recipe, in the case of rogan josh it is the blend of spices that make it rogan josh. added any meat or vegetables you want.

it using a specific name for cultural icon and using it inaccurately as a generic-ism for their entire culture.
SO its like making Butter Chicken(or any curry like thing) and marketing it as Rogan Josh.

And your insinuation that their culture is irrelevant because it is a few hundred years old is pretty insulting. Particularly since it is still centuries older than modern Australia. Evil or Very Mad

by veya_victaous Sun Aug 26, 2018 2:49 am

Vintage wrote:would he have been ok if he called it a Jerk type sauce? or a Caribbean sauce based on traditional Jerk seasoning?

this particular product should not have jerk at all because it is 100% got nothing in common with jerk.
IF Jamie had made a jerk sauce he could sell it as jerk sauce, the issue is he has not made anything like a jerk product (it's actually rice not a sauce) and selling it as jerk. This reducing Jamaica's treasured cultural icon to a meaningless advertising generic-ism.

it's like a Chinese guy writing his own plays in Broadway style and selling them as Shakespearean Wink

it's just 100% incorrect and obviously offensive to originators to have something they culturally value openly misused (particularly for profit)

by Guest Sun Aug 26, 2018 3:03 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Vintage wrote:would he have been ok if he called it a Jerk type sauce? or a Caribbean sauce based on traditional Jerk seasoning?

this particular product should not have jerk at all because it is 100% got nothing in common with jerk.
IF Jamie had made a jerk sauce he could sell it as jerk sauce, the issue is he has not made anything like a jerk product (it's actually rice not a sauce) and selling it as jerk. This reducing Jamaica's treasured cultural icon to a meaningless advertising generic-ism.

it's like a Chinese guy writing his own plays in Broadway style and selling them as Shakespearean
it's just 100% incorrect and obviously offensive to originators to have something they culturally value openly misused (particularly for profit)

The point is you are an absolute idiot

You are an idiot

Food is universal and not owned by anyone

Espicially people living today that never created this and go off what some of their ancestors did

by veya_victaous Sun Aug 26, 2018 4:01 am

Didge wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Vintage wrote:would he have been ok if he called it a Jerk type sauce? or a Caribbean sauce based on traditional Jerk seasoning?

this particular product should not have jerk at all because it is 100% got nothing in common with jerk.
IF Jamie had made a jerk sauce he could sell it as jerk sauce, the issue is he has not made anything like a jerk product (it's actually rice not a sauce) and selling it as jerk. This reducing Jamaica's treasured cultural icon to a meaningless advertising generic-ism.

it's like a Chinese guy writing his own plays in Broadway style and selling them as Shakespearean
it's just 100% incorrect and obviously offensive to originators to have something they culturally value openly misused (particularly for profit)

The point is you are an absolute idiot

You are an idiot

Food is universal and not owned by anyone

Espicially people living today that never created this and go off what some of their ancestors did

Cultural Appropriation is not limited to food dingus Wink

If fact it has nothing to do with food, Unless the specific food is a cultural icon. In which case the aspect that makes it Cultural Appropriation is the disrespectful and/or improper use of the cultural icon. Cool

Also clearly stated multiple times if Jamie had made jerk sauce he could have sold jerk sauce, that is not the issue. the issue is he has just taken the name of a cultural icon and slapped it thoughtlessly on some crap that has nothing in common with the cultural icon AND proceeded to market it as the cultural icon.

Really has nothing to do with any of the crap your posting, because no one is saying foods don't or shouldn't migrate and evolve Rolling Eyes

It's about misrepresenting someones culture, not copying it.

by JulesV Mon Aug 27, 2018 11:38 pm

People make a fuss of brand names for a reason. Apart from cultural sensitivities, there's the far bigger issue of commercial sensitivities.

The branding of products such as, eg, … Champagne, Cornish Pasties, Stilton cheese, Whisky types . . . is strictly controlled by law.

For non patent names like ''jerk'' it's a grey area.

Brand names sell products and riding on the coat tails of established brands is poor ethics.

by Guest Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:24 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HXSt-PIOrE

by nicko Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:32 am

I'm sure every one in the country is losing sleep over this . I'v been worried to death ever since !

by Guest Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:33 am

nicko wrote:I'm sure every one in the country is losing sleep over this . I'v been worried to death ever since !

by veya_victaous Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:07 am

nicko wrote:I'm sure every one in the country is losing sleep over this . I'v been worried to death ever since !

Didge was apparently Razz

I think it shows you WHO is really getting their knickers in a Twist over it.
Story is long dead as far the media cycle is concerned yet Right Wing Propagandists are Still trying to talk about it Rolling Eyes

by 'Wolfie Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:58 am

What's the bet that when that particular product eventually hits the supermarket shelves in Oz and the USA, they will have removed the words 'Jamaican' and 'Jerk' from the label and advertising, to avoid a repeat of this nonsense ?

by Fred Moletrousers Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:47 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
nicko wrote:I'm sure every one in the country is losing sleep over this . I'v been worried to death ever since !

Didge was apparently

I think it shows you WHO is really getting their knickers in a Twist over it.
Story is long dead as far the media cycle is concerned yet Right Wing Propagandists are Still trying to talk about it

Aided and abetted, it would appear, by Left Wing drones. : Rolling Eyes

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